Monica Langley, of the Wall Street Journal, is reporting on the short-lists for vice-presidential nominees:
Obama: “His focus now includes five colleagues in the U.S. Senate — Joseph Biden, Evan Bayh, Chris Dodd, Hillary Clinton and Jack Reed — and two governors, Tim Kaine of Virginia and Kathleen Sebelius of Kansas, according to Democratic operatives, though he could still make a different pick.”
McCain: “They include ex-Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, a rival during the Republican primaries; Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, with whom he has a strong friendship; and former Rep. Rob Portman of the battleground state of Ohio. Republicans also are touting Sen. John Thune of South Dakota, Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, and campaign adviser Carly Fiorina, ex-CEO of Hewlett-Packard Co., among others.”
I’m going to make a few observations about these picks.
Sen. Joe Biden: Biden is well known to the American public because he never saw a camera that he didn’t think should be filming him. He’s been in the Senate since 1973. His 1988 run for the presidency flamed out under allegations of plagiarism, and his 2008 run for the presidency never got any momentum. His greatest accomplishment in the Senate was the defeat of Robert Bork’s nomination to the Supreme Court, and he remains a totemic opponent to the religious right. His working class Catholic roots in Scranton, Pennsylvania are a plus, but his proclivity to make verbal gaffes is certainly not. Anyone that talks on tape as much Joe Biden has left encyclopedic amounts of data for opposition research. Biden chairs the Foreign Relations committee, and he knows all the major foreign leaders personally. He has a deep understanding of the State Department and its mission. At the same time, he has floated a plan for the tripartite partition of Iraq…a truly bad idea that no longer looks wise to anyone. Ideologically, he’s a moderate that is reliably liberal on most things. His vote for the Bankruptcy Bill was understandable because he represents Delaware where the credit card companies are incorporated. But it still doesn’t endear him to the left. Overall, Biden carries high risks, motivates the religous right, and doesn’t do much electorally for Obama. On the other hand, Biden is extremely smart, has excellent experience, and good relations with the press.
Sen. Evan Bayh: As Wiki reports, from 2001 to 2005, “Bayh served as Chairman of the Democratic Leadership Council (DLC). He is also a member of the Senate Centrist Coalition and helped establish the New Democrat Coalition.” Much of my motivation for opposing the candidacy of Hillary Clinton was related to her membership in the leadership of the DLC. I’d take it as a personal defeat if all that effort led to the nomination of a former DLC chairman. Yet, of all the candidates on this list, Bayh is the one most likely to make a critical difference in delivering his home state to Obama. According to 538.com, Indiana is polling too close to call. It’s hard to see an Obama-Bayh ticket failing to carry the Hoosier state and its 11 electoral votes. Bayh would make the corporate world more comfortable with an Obama presidency and help unify the Clinton/Harold Ford wing of the Democrat Party with the progressive wing. On the other hand, he’d immediately become the heir apparent to an Obama presidency, setting up an ideological battle down the line. For this reason, the selection of Bayh would depress progressive enthusiasm for Obama’s campaign, with all the associated costs.
Sen. Chris Dodd: Senator Dodd has developed excellent relations with the Progressive Movement and was the first choice for the Democratic nomination of pretty much every blogger I know. His selection would be met with great enthusiasm by the Blogosphere (in the heart, if not necessary the brain). Dodd is 64-years old, and would be McCain’s age in 2016, making him an unlikely successor. Dodd has been in Congress since 1975 and in the Senate since 1981. He’s one of the most reliably liberal members of the Senate, although his chairmanship of the Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs makes him a good friend of Wall Street. Yet, considering the centrality of the banking and housing crisis to our economic problems, Dodd’s expertise would be very valuable both on the campaign trail and in the Naval Observatory. One potential problem for Dodd is a history of carousing when he was a younger man. Like Joe Biden, Sen. Dodd is a Roman Catholic.
Sen. Hillary Clinton: I assume Clinton’s name is floated here purely to show respect to her candidacy and her supporters. There is no way that Michelle Obama will approve Clinton as the running mate. However, if she is picked it will make it much easier for her most ardent supporters to back the Democratic ticket. Obama’s supporters will never stop throwing up.
Sen. Jack Reed: Senator Reed has a dynamite personal story to tell. His father was a janitor. Nevertheless, Reed was accepted into West Point and went on to be an Army Ranger and member of the 82nd airborne. Later, like Obama, he obtained a law degree from Harvard University. Reed is also a Roman Catholic, which seems to be a common thread on Obama’s short-list. Reed has been in Congress since 1991 and is a high-ranking member of the Armed Services Committee. He just accompanied Barack Obama to Afghanistan and the Middle East. In representing Rhode Island, the most Democratic state in the country, Reed doesn’t directly bring any electoral votes. But his Catholicism, his soldier’s bearing, and his good relations with the military all make him appealing and a potential vote-getter in traditionally Republican or swing constituencies. Meanwhile, he has one of the most liberal voting records in Congress and would be easily embraced by the Progressive Movement.
Gov. Tim Kaine: Governor Kaine is another Roman Catholic with a Harvard Law Degree. Raised in Missouri, Kaine has served as the mayor of Richmond, was elected Lieutenant Governor in 2001, and Governor in 2005. He is term-limited in 2009. Kaine is personally opposed to both abortion and the death penalty, although he has signed off on eight executions in his state. His position on abortion can best be described as nuanced. His selection will not be greeted happily by choice advocates, yet there is no reason to think that he would appoint anti-choice judges or seek to overturn the law. As a practical matter, Kaine is a popular governor in a state that could easily fall into Obama’s column. Virginia’s 13 electoral votes could prove decisive to the outcome and with both Kaine and the popular ex-governor Mark Warner (who is running for U.S. Senate) on the ballot, Obama would get a big boost.
Gov. Kathleen Sebelius: Sebelius is the popular governor of Kansas. Her father was once the Governor of Ohio with a base in the Cincinnati area. She is also a Roman Catholic. Prior to being elected as Governor, she served for eight years as a representative in the Kansas Legislature and eight years as the Insurance Commissioner. While calling herself ‘personally pro-life’ she has been endorsed by Planned Parenthood and has been a stalwart defender of women’s rights. She opposed a state constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. For me, Sebelius fits Obama’s ‘change’ narrative better than any of the other candidates. She has never been a member of Congress, she represents one the most traditionally Republican states in the union, if elected she would be the first woman to hold the position, and her style of governance fits in with Obama’s message of post-partisanship. She is my first choice from this list.
I would be very pleased with the selection of Sebelius, Dodd, or Reed. I’d be okay with the selection of Kaine. Biden, Bayh, or Clinton I would consider poor choices. Bayh and Clinton would be personally demoralizing.
On the Republican side, I’ll be brief.
Fmr Gov. Mitt Romney: Romney would probably be helpful to McCain in Michigan (where his father was once Governor) and in Nevada and Colorado where there is a large population of Mormons. Most Mormons are going to vote for McCain anyway, but any boost in turnout would help. On the other hand, Romney’s religious beliefs would depress turnout among evangelicals in many states. And Romney is both a record-breaking flip-flopper and personally despised by John McCain.
Gov. Tim Pawlenty: As the son of a milk truck driver, Pawlenty has some of the same rags-to-riches cache of Sen. Jack Reed. He probably cannot deliver his state to McCain and he has no foreign-policy experience, but at least he’s young at 48-years old.
Fmr. Rep. Rob Portman: Portman, who used to represent Mean Jean Schmidt’s southern Ohio district, served the Bush administration as United States Trade Representative and Director of the Office of Management and Budget. His main appeal is a counterbalance to John McCain’s cluelessness on the economy, but he could provide some marginal help to McCain in Ohio.
Sen. John Thune: Thune defeated Majority Leader Tom Daschle to win his senate seat. Young (forty-seven years-old) and attractive, he could provide some of the charisma and energy that John McCain lacks. Obama is polling close enough in South Dakota to make it possible that Thune’s selection could swing the state. However, with only three electoral votes…
Gov. Charlie Crist: Crist is the intensely sun-tanned Governor of Florida. He’s popular and would help McCain immensely in the Sunshine state. Crist recently acquired a beard wife and there are persistent rumors that he is a closeted gay man. If McCain wants the hassle that will bring with his anti-gay base then more power to him.
Fmr. Hewlett-Packard CEO Carly Fiorina: Overseeing HP’s disastrous merger with Compaq hardly seems like a good qualification to be vice-president. However, in 1998, Fortune magazine listed her as the #1 “most powerful woman in business.” That’s something, anyway. She’s well educated and experienced in the business community. And, as a woman, she could add some buzz to McCain’s somnolent campaign.
None of these picks particularly frighten me. John Thune is probably the safest choice, but I can’t see him fundamentally changing the game. Fiorina is untested as a campaigner and her qualifications are dubious. Romney would be a disaster. Crist has to overcome rumors about his sexuality. And Pawlenty just doesn’t carry much juice.
Also available in orange.
I find it sad that Crist has to deal with the gay rumors. Repub or not, I sympathize with him over that one subject.
Reed, Kaine, or Sebelius would seem to be the good ones for me. Dodd has Countrywide connections, something to sort of damage him a bit even if the “scandal” surrounding those connections was short-lived.
throws up about Clinton
I don’t think Dodd needs to worry too much about that. It’s a blip.
Crist is marrying soon, found a gal he loves.
Reed has removed himself from consideration.
I would puke if Obama selects Clinton.
Reed just said what they all say. He didn’t remove himself from consideration in the least.
according to Sen. Reed, he’s not being vetted
Personally, I’m pulling for Sebelius, and not because she’s a woman, but because she’s a governor, and a popular one at that. She’s taken some strong, principled stands. And she’s older, which I think helps balance the ticket.
I don’t know enough about Kaine and am wary of him, being from Virginia. I wonder that Langley might be a little too fond of him.
If it had to be a Senator, which by itself is a black mark, I think, given that Senators have so little executive experience, I’d hope for Reed, from the little I know about him and the much I know about the others.
And I REALLY like Tim Kaine. Of course, I REALLY like Sebelius, too. Both are Catholic with Midwestern roots.
Drawbacks for both: With Kaine, not pro-choice enough. He’s a “Seamless Garment” Catholic (which I notice many are trying to equate with just being antichoice, but from what I learned, meant that “all life is sacred;” which means you MUST be against the death penalty, too–and he is). IIRC, his governing philosophy is “I have my personal beliefs, but they won’t get in the way of law and governing.” I can live with that.
With Sebelius…well, I wonder if it’s “too much change” than some can accept? I hate that I even typed that, but it’s out there. We have some truly, truly, stupid people in our midst, and unfortunately, they get a vote (see also, Shrub).
Though I think he really needs a governor, my heart would leap if he picked Chris Dodd. I always have like Dodd. He’d have been my first choice if Obama didn’t run. But he is a senator, and one with 1) a past and 2) a bit of controversy. I think both of those things are BS, but it’s there.
Jack Reed–he’d be good, too. But he seems almost too reserved. We need someone who could really go after the rethugs.
Joe Biden. Joe, Joe, Joe. He makes me laugh, but he has serious foreign policy chops and would definitely tear into some rethug hide. I’ll just assume he’s over that whole “fresh and clean” thing. 🙂
As for Clinton and Bayh–no, and double no. Not at all what we need.
As far as McLame, well…I can’t see Fiorina–the money people would swoon (which given her track record at HP is just bizarre) but would be too moderate. I don’t think she’s been clued in to the fact that her party is full of idiots who think they are better than her (IOW, the whole “man has authority over woman” thing). Romney makes a certain amount of sense because he’s such a whore, he’ll do anything to reach higher office. I don’t think I can handle McLame’s creepy cackle and Mitt “Troy McClure” Romney for three months–ugh. Just the thought of hearing the sound of their voices together makes me shudder.
Crist makes sense, too–especially now that he’s undergone his complete transformation to pass as a straight man.
Interesting about Kaine’s “seamless garment” outlook. If he’s like the late Chicago cardinal Bernadin, I could live with that even though choice would be a problem. I assume Obama would have gotten a statement from him something like Kennedy’s on separation of church and state. Not interested in the gay thing except to wonder if he’d think he’d have to be extra “tough” on gay issues because of the gossip.
Not having a choice is more than just a “problem” for women.
This isn’t to pick out DaveW by any means- I generally appreciate his comments- just to comment on the general ease with which women’s agency is shifted aside. Sigh.
What I was trying to say is that this is a potential problem with him that would need watching. I don’t think we can assume that he’d be anti-choice politically just because he’s against abortion personally. If that’s the standard you’d have to write off a long line of pols from JFK to Kerry and more.
My view on the strategies for choice are a little more “third way” than some people want to hear, but that’s for another topic, if ever.
I’m not so much interested in “watching” someone take away my agency as preventing them from doing so in the first place.
You say your ideas are more “third way,” but I’d be interested in hearing what men would give up- assuming third way means compromise (not in the democratic political sense of capitulation).
I understand what you mean. That’s why Kaine could be a problem. I really like him, but I’m being honest: he’s not pro-choice.
That said, the key thing is this: he’s not some anti-choice loon like some in the General Assembly. (See here for Del. Robert G. “sometimes incest is voluntary” Marshall and here for Del. John “let’s criminalize miscarriages” Cosgrove if you have any doubts.) Interestingly, NARAL doesn’t characterize Kaine as either pro or anti choice. But the Lt. Governor and AG are virulently anti-choice, as is the House of Delegates. The Senate is better.
(Thus presenting another problem if Kaine is picked: he has one more year in his term, and right now the only barrier to some truly noxious shit–see below–is the Senate, which is holding so far. But that wouldn’t stop them from doing things with their executive powers, not to mention get rid of all the great appointments for knuckle draggers.)
He’s more like Mario Cuomo about it: there’s his personal belief, and then there’s upholding the law, and he will uphold the law. He’s also against the death penalty, but while he’s let those slated for execution exhaust every means to have it overturned, he’s not stopped executions.
He unfortunately supports abstinence education, which does nothing to further the goals of unwanted pregnancy. He does, however, support contraception.
Here he is on the issue:
Here’s Media Matters’ take on it. Be sure to read the link to the Wash Post article that’s embedded there.
Here’s another article written while he was running for Governor.
This was his stance in 2007. The upshot? He said he’d veto legislation outlawing abortion.
Here’s a summary of the anti-choice bills killed in Senate committee earlier this year.
As much as I like him, I HAVE to put it out there, but I have to give the complete picture, and many do not.
At this point I would just be happy with a Democrat, Obama seems to perfer Republicans. Yeah, the fix is in.
He’s also floating Anne Veneman. What was it George Carlin said about bipartisanship?
And how’s about that trial balloon Cass “The Political Class Should be Allowed to Break Laws With Impunity” Sunstein for Supreme Court?
Ah more of that bracing change we can believe in. I can smell the change: it smells like my ass.
Sibelius would do a lot to shore up Obama’s support among the women who are disappointed that Hillary is not the nominee. But I wonder if a culturally primitive nation like the USA is ready for a black guy and a woman in the White House? I’m inclined to go with either Reed or Kaine.
Thanks for an interesting analysis.
Based on your comments, I think Reed might be the best choice. However, I would not be the least surprised if it is Bayh. The temptation to steal Indiana–a reliably republican state–must be great. Also, don’t forget that one version of Obama’s narrative is that he’s a conciliator, so picking someone from the DLC might not be too surprising.
On the Republican side, I am surprised that Sen Lindsay Graham is not mentioned. He is relatively young, charismatic, has a military background (emphasizing McCain’s strength here), and popular with the the republican right. Perhaps there are negatives that I am missing … (?)
like he’s gay, you mean?
Um, yeah…I suppose that would do it.
My top choice in this Dem list is Dodd. Here is my thumbnail analysis, which I might have posted in comments before (sorry):
Chris Dodd
Upsides: Uber-competent, Irish Catholic, trustworthy, laser-sharp fast-talker, virtually gaffe-free. Great chemistry. Top-shelf attack dog. Fluent in Spanish. Champion of the Constitution. Brings necessary metabolism and urgency; his generally sharp, sometimes fiery mien complements Obama’s cool reserve perfectly, but with none of Webb’s awkwardness. But a great sense of humor leavens all that easily, and he and Obama really seem to get along well. Like Clinton, recites policy in his sleep. Like Biden and Clinton, eminently ready on Day One. Will help keep CT and MA deep blue, and probably helps in NH too. Has two young daughters similar in age to Malia and Sasha.
Downsides: Senator; loss of CT Senate seat; no true electoral cache; no potential for continued leadership post-Obama; long history in Washington.
I see Dodd as an anti-Cheney: he can go in with the explicit portfolio of restoring the Constitution, and destroying the structural framework of the unitary executive. Given his institutional knowledge and respect, he can completely realign the lines of power and communication among each branch of government, and with a great AG help rebuild the necessary walls between politics, policy, and prosecution. In essence, he and Obama will reassemble what John Dean rightfully calls our “Broken Government.”
I think he also could be a one-term VP: help the Party win a historic election, fix the government, head into retirement (and continued joyful fatherhood) on the highest note possible. Give the President a chance to choose a new potential leader for the next generation.
re his Senate seat: he is fairly firm that he is resigning in 2010 anyway. So if he’s the choice, I say he resigns his seat upon accepting his place on the ticket. This would allow Gov. Rell (R) to appoint a temporary replacement, but just for a few months–the special election would be on the next CT General Election day: Nov. 4. I think Ned Lamont would have no trouble ramping up a new Senate run within 30 days of Dodd’s resignation, and his numbers against any CT Republican other than Rell–even Shays–would be very strong. The risk is that Rell resigns and has Fedele, her Lt. Gov., appoint her to the seat. A Lamont-Rell race would be tough, but perhaps with Obama/Dodd coattails, it would be easier this year than in 2010.
Re:Dodd.,you say that he has a history of carousing when he was young.
If you don’t carouse when you are young, when would you do it? When you are McCain’s age?
It’s perfectly OK if you’re George W. Bush or John McCain.
With Chris Dodd or Bill Richardson or anyone else even rumored to have had a past that has no bearing on governing, it is an indelible character flaw and disqualification.
if your short list is valid (and I am sure that you are right on) it isn’t terribly exciting. All I know is that bayh or clinton would be the kisses of death for the O man.
personally, sib would be the closest to “exciting” but i can just see- sib who?
Just not a gooper or bayh or clinton!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t know… seems like it’s time to let bygones be bygones when it comes to Clinton, the way you have to do in politics. She wouldn’t have much say on Iraq, and on domestic issues she’s as good as any of the middlers on the list. I wouldn’t be horrified if he picked her. Not that I think there’s a chance in hell of him doing so, or of her accepting. But I’d find her a lot easier to swallow than Bayh.
If I got may way,it would be Dodd, just because he stands up for what he (and I) believes in, or Reed, for his record. More practically speaking, I think it has to be Sibelius, Kaine, or Clinton.
As to McCain, I hope he picks the equally boring Romney and most fear that it will be Crist.
You mean put Clinton in a position where she could benefit from a potential “Bobby Kennedy Moment”? I think not…
Thanks, Booman. I mostly agree with you. I’d be pleased with the selection of Dodd. I’d be okay with the selection of Sebelius, Reed or Kaine. I am disappointed that Richardson is not on the short list.
No matter how much Cokie or other members of the press consider Biden the go-to guy, I consider his ego-centric bloviating only slightly less of a liability than Bill Clinton’s.
fucking awesome post
i really cant understand why you arent on tv or being paid to write this stuff in newsweek
To repeat. ad naseum
NO MORE CLINTONS. NO MORE BUSHES. NO MORE DYNASTIES.
EVER!!!
This includes no Chelsea, no George P., no JEB… nobody who is related of blood or marriage. NOT A SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
EVER.
Eternity is too soon to lose my country to an asshole who thinks s/he is entitled to rule by name and by whim and by royal perogative.
They can take their dynasties, and imperialism, and entitlement and all move to Pakistan or Paraguay or whatever other third world country will allow Presidents-for-Life to violate their Constitutions. Where corruption is commonplace. Where rulership is inherited, not earned. Bill can not be vetted… and is just as filthy as Mr 40% Bhutto. The Bushes and the Clintons can be satisfied with their monumental Libraries-to-their-Egos, and remove their tentacles from the halls of government.
We have passed over the line into an imperial presidency already. What we require is a constitutionalist who’ll restore our government, not erode it further.
If a Clinton is on the ticket, even as dog-walker, I’ll not vote. I’ve voted every election since reaching the age of majority in 1968, but I’ve never voted for an imperialist. I’d rather sit out the election than know that I helped kill my beloved America by electing an Empress.
He’s brilliant, has done an awesome job as the head of DNC, and knows both about managing a state (economy) and about health care. He would be an awesome choice that would fire up the Left, that’s for sure. Why isn’t he being considered??