It looks like Pakistan is moving to impeach Pervez Musharraf. And it also looks like they have the votes to pull it off. The big question is whether the Pakistani military will allow the impeachment to go forward. Musharraf could dissolve parliament, but he can’t do that unless he is sure he has the backing of the military. And, as of right now, things are not looking too good for Pervez.
Pakistani politics give new meaning to the term Byzantine. It’s extremely difficult to parse out what is going on and even what is desirable from an American point of view. With so many of our troops stationed in Afghanistan and with Iran’s territory denied to us for purposes of resupply, it is critical that the Pakistani government is cooperative. Unfortunately, Pakistan has been playing a double game with us since the very beginning of our occupation of Afghanistan. Their intelligence service, the ISI, has supported warlords, provided training and sanctuary to the Taliban, and recently bombed the Indian Embassy in Kabul (probably to signal their displeasure with a deal whereby Indian goods will be imported through Iran). At the same time, they keep America at bay by turning over a trickle of bad guys, doing occasional sweeps through the Tribal Areas, and by taking advantage of our absolute dependency upon their territory for supplying our troops.
We have every reason to be furious with the performance of Musharraf and the ISI. But we prefer to maintain the fiction of good cooperation. Yet, it’s not all that clear that things would improve with Musharraf gone. Musharraf’s ostensible cooperation with the United States goes a long way toward explaining his vast unpopularity. For example, how are we to read this?
One politician, part of a parliamentary bloc that could go either way on impeachment, said in a telephone interview on Thursday that he had instructed his colleagues to vote in favor of impeachment.
The politician, Munir Orakzai, who represents the Kurrman district in the Federally Administered Tribal Areas where the Taliban insurgency has gathered huge strength, said Mr. Musharraf was to blame for the problems. “He has made things worse for us,” Mr. Orakzai said.
Has he made things worse by tolerating the strengthening of the Taliban in Mr. Orakzai’s territory or by authorizing military sweeps aimed at rooting out Arab and Talib extremists? Without more context it’s impossible to say whether Mr. Orakzai supports impeachment because Musharraf supports the radicalization of the Tribal Areas or because he opposes it. Is Orakzai pro-American or anti-Taliban?
Things are not made any clearer when we learn that the impeachment drive is being led by the widower of Benazir Butto, Asif Ali Zardari (head of the Pakistan Peoples Party), and Nawaz Sharif (head of the Pakistan Muslim League-N). Both Butto and Sharif have long and complicated relationships with the West, but they can both be broadly described as pro-West. Of the two, the Bhutto faction is the more westernized and secular, and it was the Bush administration that pushed for the return of Benazir Bhutto to Pakistan (which resulted in her assassination). Sharif, meanwhile, was ousted in the coup that brought Musharraf to power in the first place. His natural constituency is more religious and conservative, but his record on those issues is decidedly mixed.
Both Sharif and Bhutto have had extremely strained relationships with the Pakistani military and intelligence services. It is probably time for Musharraf to retire from Pakistani politics, but it is not at all clear what will replace him and how they will interact with America. Will they continue to play a double game, giving lip service to assisting U.S. policy while actively undermining our position in Afghanistan? Will they seek to end all cooperation? Or will the situation improve?
And, anytime we are looking at this level of instability and unpredictability in a country that is armed with nuclear weapons, we have to be extremely nervous about our inability to anticipate or steer events. Those worries are only magnified by India’s possession of nuclear weapons and our reliance on Pakistan to keep our soldiers supplied in Afghanistan.
It is probably the extreme perils involved with instability that have led us to tolerate a failing status quo. It is very worrisome that Pakistan is moving into this degree of uncertainty now, while we still have the Keystone Kops at the helm of our national security apparatus.
whether or not Musharraf prevails or is ousted, Pakistan is set to implode.
AfPakistan IS one country. BushCheney is illiterate on geography and history amd more. Af/Pak is our next hot skillet… as we continue to realise we’ll lose the Afghan project we’ll find the need to invade Pakistan. Sooner than 2011.
Even Zbig is raising the Afghan withdrawal flag. No surge in troops he warned. It’s not a place you’ll want to escalate. Iraq is not a model for success in Afghanistan. Iraq is relatively flat, Af/Pak mountainous, unreachable.
BTW, Watch these videos at links below: …Something that’s been hidden from Americans – how the money was spent: (H/T: Prof. Juan Cole).
Part (1) – Iraq is calm because they made it into prison cells.
That’s not destined to work in Af/Pak.
Part (2) – Iraq 5 years 0n: killing fields
Nothing here of which to be proud.
I wouldn’t describe Afghanistan as naturally part of Pakistan at all.
For nearly 2000 years Afghanistan represented the meeting place of Persian and Indian empires. It’s naturally split between them, as well as the influence of Tajiks and Uzbeks and Uighers in the north.
I sure wouldn’t describe Afghanistan and Pakistan as one country. The problem is that neither of them is itself one country. Afghanistan has little history of functioning central govt; Pakistan is more of a nation but hasn’t ever actually controlled its “tribal area”.
great analysis BooMan, even though this is the truest thing you say
one thing that’s going on is bad old South Asian family-based politics. The PPP is more than ever the “Bhutto faction”, now with TWO martyrs. Not only is the widower Zardari the candidate, their 19-year old son is party chair! They should consider how well this dynasty stuff has worked in America.
In the most general sense, I think more democracy will lead to less power for the religious maniacs. But we would make a grave mistake if we thought the Pakistani people are going to support politicians that are overtly pro-American. And, at the same time, given the stakes with our soldiers in Afghanistan, we’re hard-pressed to sit back and watch what happens without trying to influence what happens in any way. Our relationship with the ISI is probably at its lowest point in history, and we have a real desire to improve our relations with India.
I’m glad that I don’t have the job of figuring out what to do with U.S.-Pakistani relations right now.
“In the most general sense, I think more democracy will lead to less power for the religious maniacs.“
No doubt. Even the most religiously conservative Pakistanis do not want them.
“But we would make a grave mistake if we thought the Pakistani people are going to support politicians that are overtly pro-American.“
Why on earth would they? Why on earth would ANYONE? The United States has done nothing to deserve any kind of support from Pakistanis or anyone else, particularly in the Arab and Muslim worlds – quite the opposite, in fact. The world is not there to serve America’s needs, contrary to what a great many Americans – including quite a few reasonably liberal ones – assume in their own uniquely narcissistic way.
“…given the stakes with our soldiers in Afghanistan, we’re hard-pressed to sit back and watch what happens without trying to influence what happens in any way.“
Your problems in Afghanistan, as your problems in Iraq, are entirely of your own making. Your first mistake was responding to a crime committed by a handful of non-state criminals by attacking and attempting to take over a state, particularly one that has become known as the Graveyard of Empires. And so may it prove, along with Iraq, to be the graveyard of your own empire in the hope that these failures will drive the United States to begin to behave like a normal country and not some kind of rogue rhinoceros rampaging blindly and destructively around the world.
“Our relationship with the ISI is probably at its lowest point in history…“
And whose fault is that?
“I’m glad that I don’t have the job of figuring out what to do with U.S.-Pakistani relations right now.“
You could start by understanding what the United States has done to bring relations to the sorry state they are in. Acknowledging and beginning to correct that would be a good step in the right direction.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/la-oe-bhutto14nov14,0,2482408.story?coll=la-opinion-center
With all due respect my esteemed BooMan, maybe 2000 years ago but my reference is on today. Taliban and Qaedy colleagues did not disappear in Afghanistan and surprise, Pakistan IS now Taliban… in plain sight…making for one and the same country without borders between the two.
Pakistan is not an accident waiting to happen, it’s already happening – going up in smoke…
I can link to 12 articles over the past five days that write of the canaries sounding the alarm…Pakistan is under Taliban control.
add I to IS, then ask who controls Pakistan’s ISI that, in turn, controls Islamabad?
As Aussies note, all grim my chap. Grim. As AF/Pakistan deteriorates, we’ll be devoting pages, gallons of ink and sadly, blood too.
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Following the 1977 military coup, the structures of democratic government were dismantled. The Constitution was abolished and martial law was established under the rule of General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq who became President in 1978. The new military rulers sought, with Washington’s support, to undermine the secular structures of the Pakistani State.
Since 1977, a military dictatorship has largely prevailed. The short-lived democratically elected governments of Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif did not, in a meaningful way, break the continuity of authoritarian military rule. Both Sharif and Bhutto served US interests and accepted the economic diktats of the IMF and the World Bank.
In August 1988, President Zia was killed in an air crash together with US Ambassador to Pakistan Arnold Raphel and several of Pakistan’s top generals. The circumstances of the air crash remain shrouded in mystery.
Following Zia’s death, parliamentary elections were held and Benazir Bhutto was sworn in as Prime Minister in December 1988. She was subsequently removed from office by Zia’s successor, President Ghulam Ishaq Khan on the grounds of alleged corruption. In 1993, she was re-elected and was again removed from office in 1996 on the orders of President Farooq Leghari.
Both Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif served US foreign policy interests. While in power, both democratically elected leaders, nonetheless supported the continuity of military rule. As prime minister from 1993 to 1996, Benazir Bhutto “advocated a conciliatory policy toward Islamists, especially the Taliban in Afghanistan” which were being supported by Pakistan’s ISI (See F. William Engdahl, Global Research, January 2008)
Benazir Bhutto’s successor as Prime Minister, Mia Muhammad Nawaz Sharif of the Pakistan Muslim League (PML) was deposed in 1999 in a US supported coup d’Etat led by General Pervez Musharraf.
The 1999 coup was instigated by General Pervez Musharaf, with the support of the Chief of General Staff, Lieutenant General Mahmoud Ahmad, who was subsequently appointed to the key position of head of military intelligence (ISI).
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
“Their intelligence service, the ISI, has…recently bombed the Indian Embassy in Kabul…“
Evidence, please, BooMan? Last I heard there wasn’t any, and the Pakistanis were denying it. Has something new come along since then?
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McCain client Musharraf Likely Implicated
NYT reports that US intelligence intercepted communications between elements of the Inter-Services Intelligence, Pakistan’s military intelligence division, indicating that they gave support to the Haqqani group of Pushtun guerrillas in bombing the Indian embassy in Kabul.
US new favorite partner India is gaining the upperhand in Afghanistan influence …
The Central Asian region with its rich resources of energy (oil and gas), enormous mineral resources, and a large consumer market is of geo-strategic importance to India. An Indian analyst, Meena Singh Roy, has observed in one of her articles, “India as an extended neighbour of CARs has major geostrategic and economic interests in this region. The future prospects for co-operation between Central Asia and India in the field of energy security seem to be very important. Peace and stability in CARs and Afghanistan seems to be the most crucial factor for India’s security”.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Thanks, Oui, but a report from the NYT on something US intelligence supposedly intercepted does not constitute evidence for anything except the fact that the NYT is reporting something US intelligence supposedly intercepted. Neither the NYT nor US intelligence is a reliable, credible source of factual information.
The rest is interesting, but does not constitute evidence that Pakistan did the bombing.
And with all respect to Juan Cole for the considerable value he DOES have to offer, his analysis is often badly tainted by his personal biases and his lack of ground-level experience in the areas he writes about. As he has proven time and again with his comments on Iraq (which he has not set foot in, by the way), there is a difference between being informed and understanding something.
Another question for you, BooMan – and this should not be interpreted in any way as supportive of Musharaf, for whom I have not a shred of respect or regard.
Can you explain to me exactly how and why Pakistan’s or any other country’s government is obligated to support and assist the United States in waging its various wars, particularly when it means sending their military out to wage war on their own fellow Pakistanis, and co-religionists on its behalf?
And a follow-up question: Has it occurred to you that using its military to attack their fellow Pakistanis and fellow Muslims on behalf of the internationally despised Bush administration might just cause a few internal problems for the Pakistani government?
It isn’t always about you, America.
They aren’t obligated to do any of that. However, we are obligated to pursue our own self-interest. I do not mean to suggest that the Bush administration (or the Clinton or the Reagan or the Carter) administration has done this with respect to Pakistan. But our soldiers are in Afghanistan with NATO and it is decidedly in our self-interest to try to persuade the Pakistani government to stop training Taliban, stop equipping Taliban, and stop undermining the Karzai government. I’m well aware that pushing the Musharraf government to do sweeps of the Tribal Areas has not only made Musharraf deeply unpopular but also allowed him to play a double game where he pretends to be fighting against religion-fueled lunacy while actually using it as much as ever.
I’m can’t into what a saner policy would look like in this comment, but regardless of the larger strategy, it is clearly in our interest to have a stable government in Pakistan that does not interfere with our supply lines.
Well, it’s even more in the Pakistani people’s best interest to have a stable government in Pakistan than it is in the U.S.’s, and ironically it is largely the U.S. that has made that difficult, in part by insisting upon keeping Musharaf, who is even more unpopular there than Bush is in in U.S., in place, and in part by insisting on his taking horrific actions on their behalf against his own citizens.
As for your right to pursue your own self-interest, that might be acceptable if you did not do so more often than not in complete contravention of the self interest of the rest of the world. Like, for example, when it comes to other people’s governments, thwarting democratic movements, putting in place and propping up horrific dictators, insisting on elections, then imposing unspeakable punishments the people for not electing the right people (e.g. the Palestinians), etc., etc., etc.
As for your concern about the troops in Afghanistan, they should no more be there than they should be in Iraq. 9/11 was a crime committed by non-state actors, not an act of war by a state. The correct response to 9/11 was a combination police and intelligence work, and diplomacy (and let’s not forget that the Taliban offered to turn bin Laden over, and the Bush regime rejected the offer out of hand and refused even to use it as a basis for negotiation, which tells you exactly what their true priorities were.
Politics in Pakistan is indeed very mysterious, even for folks living there on the ground. The following Players in the current struggle that can be discounted are as follows.
first up: Asif Ali Zardari, the husband of Benazir Butto who along with their son assumed control of Butto’s Pakistan Peoples Party. This man is a petty opportunist who got connected to Benazir at the peak of her political career through a marriage arranged by her mother. (Even as Prime Minister Benazir could’nt say no to mom!) Zardari’s interference in the daily workings of the Prime Minister’s office placed him at the center of national corruption scandal from the Prime Minister’s office. This scandal resulted in Butto being removed from office. Butto and Zardari were exiled up until recently, with Benazir campaign for office terminated by her assassination. Now Zardari is back again attempting to capitalize on his wife’s murder.
Nawaz Sharif, head of the Pakistan Muslim League is often mentioned in the power mix of Pakistani politics as Pakistan is a Muslim country. Unfortunately, Mr. Sharif has been marginalized by Musharraf who jailed him in the past.
Pervez Musharraf, President of Pakistan, currently threatened with impeachment. The General stumbled in in the course of his dangerous task of balancing the United States on one hand and placating the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) on the other. His Janus impersonation required him to convince the American White House that Pakistan was a strong ally in America’s battle against the Taliban and secure huge amounts of money for Pakistan’s support, while passing along American military aid money to the ISI thereby assuring the ISI that they could operate with impunity in providing fighters and weapons to the Taliban for their second Afghanistan front. His future is now in the hands of the ISI and is dependent upon whether they think he can still be of use in dealing with the United States. The ISI is upset with Musharraf over his handling of the Supreme Justices and the nationwide lawyer led riots, which attracted a lot unwanted world wide attention into Pakistani affairs.
The real power in Pakistan is the ISI, which is a state within a state, which more importantly is the General Staff of the Pakistani military. The ISI created the Taliban along the border lands with the strategic purpose of extending Pakistan’s control over the entire country of Afghanistan after the Soviet forces were driven out. (The Post, Saturday, August 9, 2008, thepost.com.pk) The real issue with the ISI is the territories that were denied Pakistan in the aftermath of the 1947 bloody partition between Hindu India and the Muslim territories which became Pakistan. Kashmir remains the flash point, with a recent violation of the cease fire agreement between Indian and Pakistani forces on Wednesday. The ISI is building a force of battle hardened soldiers (without uniforms) in the territories, which one day in the near future will attack India in all out war.