Yes, this is a liberal moonbat writing, dear war lovers of the Far Reich Wing, but the assessment of Iraq’s security situation does not come from my misguided, ill informed troop hating lips. Quite the contrary. These are words delivered by the commander Bush chose to replace Generalissimo Petreaus in Iraq, Lt. General Ray Odierno. A man who has been as staunch a Bush Doctrine supporter as any in the military. So when he says things are not as hunky dory “over there” as the media over here (and St. Johnny Mac) have been assuming, maybe we ought to pause for a moment and listen. Because what he’s saying doesn’t sound like “victory” to me, my little war porn lovers:
The new US military commander in Iraq, Lt Gen Ray Odierno, has said that recent security gains there are “fragile and reversible”.
He was speaking in Baghdad at a ceremony to replace Gen David Petraeus. […]
[O]n the eve of Gen Petraeus’s departure, a female suicide bomber blew herself up in Diyala province, killing 22 people – a reminder that violence could easily escalate again. […]
In a BBC interview before his departure, Gen Petraeus said he would never declare victory in Iraq and that the US still faced a “long struggle” in the country.
A L-O-N-G S-T-R-U-G-G-L-E? Never declare victory? This admission of failure comes directly from your beloved St. Petraeus, the General who implemented the “consistently overrated “Surge,” the purported “great strategic” success in Iraq which had less to do with all the extra US combat brigades we employed and more to do with the following:
Most people immediately point to the Surge as the sole causal agent for lower levels of violence, but the answer is actually five-fold: (1) the cease-fire called by Mutada al-Sadr, (2) the Sunni Awakening Councils which began fighting against Sunni insurgents, (3) over four million displaced Iraqis, (4) a change in the calculation methodology of civilian deaths in Iraq, and (5) the Surge. […][
#1 – Muqtada al-Sadr’s Cease Fire
In late August of 2007, Muqtada called upon the members of his Mahdi army to stop fighting U.S. and British troops and rival Shiite and Sunni factions in Iraq. He later extended that truce in February of 2008, on the two year anniversary of the bombing of the al-Askari Mosque in Samarra which preceded (and also underscores) the profound increase in sectarian tension and conflict. Once labeled by the Pentagon as one of the most destabilizing forces in Iraq, even more than Al-Qaeda in Iraq, the Mahdi Army’s cease-fire has led to dramatic reductions in violence. […]
#2 – The Awakening Councils
The Awakening Councils are, simply, U.S.-funded Sunni groups who have agreed to fight against Al-Qaeda-linked insurgents. A point of contention is that some of the members of these Awakening Councils are former insurgents who had previously been allied with Al-Qaeda and fought against U.S. troops in the past. It’s feared, especially by the al-Maliki government, that these new armed Sunni groups could potentially oppose the Shiite-dominated government. They may also be populated with Al Qaeda sympathizers “intent on infiltrating the Interior Ministry.” The U.S. military, however, decided that the benefits of arming every side of a potentially bloody civil war outweighed the costs of U.S. military deaths. The Sunni Awakening Councils are credited with reducing violence in predominantly Sunni areas where Al Qaeda was able to move freely. […]
#3 – Ethnic Cleansing
In too many ways, ethnic cleansing and displacement remain unconnected to the larger issue of violence. Or more accurately, it is typically stated that violence leads to displacement as people flee their homes due to concern for their personal safety. It is unfortunate, though, that more people do not follow the logic more fully. Once certain ethnically diverse areas of the country become more homogenized due to ethnic cleansing, violence is reduced in those areas because there are fewer members of the minority ethnic group to attack, kill, harass, and oppress. Millions of Iraqis have fled their homes because of the violence, and this, unfortunately, is another factor that has led to a reduction in violence.
The most recent report by the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees estimates about 4.2 million displaced Iraqis. There are roughly 2.2 million internally displaced people that have been forced out of their homes but are still living inside Iraq, and there are another 2 million Iraqi refugees living in “Syria, Jordan, the Islamic Republic of Iran, Egypt, Lebanon, Turkey and several Gulf States.” The CIA estimates the total population of Iraq to be about 28.2 million, meaning about 15% of the population have been forcibly removed from their homes through the threat or fear of violence. Most previously mixed cities and neighborhoods are now ethnically homogenized. And while the reduction in violence is positive, it comes with a heavy price. It is unrealistic to believe that these displaced residents will ever be able return to their homes and live in peace.
No wonder Odierno says the security gains are fragile. In essence our strategy of paying off the Sunni insurgents, and of allowing ethnic cleansing by the Shi’ite dominated government, along with the fortuitous decision of Muqtada al-Sadr to call a cease fire of his forces, merely kicked the can down the road a few months without resolving any of the underlying sectarian, ethnic and economic disputes which lie at the heart of the conflict in Iraq.
As Petreaus says, he will never declare victory in Iraq. He says that for one simple reason: America cannot win a victory in Iraq. At best we can delay the outbreak of a full scale civil war, or keep a temporary damper on the level of violence in that country, but at some point our ability to sustain the cost of that effort will come to an end. We can barely afford our current occupation, much less an indefinite, long term commitment to keeping hundreds of thousands of combat troops over there. It simply isn’t feasible, nor does it make one whit of sense.
I know the economy is the hot topic of the moment, and with the meltdown on Wall Street and all the figurative blood letting in the stock market yesterday, its easy to see why. But remember this. Empires that don’t pay for themselves inevitably end up costing the citizens of that Empire far more than they can bear. Just ask the British what a drain their attempts to hold onto their Empire cost their economy and their people when it became clear after WWI that the British Empire has become a net loss on that country’s balance sheet.
And our Military Empire overseas, and particularly in Iraq, is ruining us. TEN BILLION DOLLARS (or more) a month. Just to sustain an occupation of a country that after five years our Commanders in the field admit has shown only fragile and easily reversible security gains. And by security gains they mean a level of violence that is merely lower than the peak year of 2006, not that violence has been eliminated. Far from it, in fact:
In the last week of May 2008, there were roughly 350 attacks in Iraq. On average, there were about 50 attacks every single day. While this is far fewer than the nearly 1550 in June of 2007, it is about the same number of attacks as occurred in May of 2004, one year after “mission accomplished.” In the four years since, Iraq has exploded in violence and has brought that violence back to the same level. One could look at the last 4 years as a complete waste of time.
A complete waste of time, yes, but also of human lives and cold hard cash, cash that has only benefited the likes of war profiteers like KBR and other established members of the Military Industrial Complex. And while the deregulation and gross negligence in failing to provide any oversight of our financial industry during the Bush years is the driving force behind our current economic meltdown, the cost of sustaining a foreign adventure in Iraq which serves no national security purpose has greatly contributed to our inability to weather this economic storm.
Iraq matters in this election. It is a failed war, a failed foreign policy, and an economic catastrophe all rolled into one. You can as little separate it from the other events which have systematically and (quite possibly) irretrievably dismantled our economic strength (the true foundation of national security), as one can separate the myriad causes which led to the collapse of the British or Soviet Empires. To claim otherwise, to assert that more wars like Iraq (e.g., Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran!) in the Middle East are necessary to maintain our “privileged position” as top dog in the world community is madness of the highest order.
Thank you for taking the time to put this all together in one place. As ugly as it is to see it.
The truth is out there. One wonders why our highly esteemed “journalists” who keep repeating to their audiences that the surge was some great victory can’t use the google once in a while to fact check their ass-umptions.
These journalists have bosses called editors who’ll rapidly make said journalists unemployed and unemployable except for Wichita Falls Shopper assignments if they deviate from lying to the public all the time.
As the member of a journalist family, I agree completely. Not only can you be fired, but you can be black balled and also receive death threats. We’ve been through it all.
Barack Obama On “The O’Reilly Factor”:
Surge Has “Succeeded Beyond Our Wildest Dreams”
And you wonder why McCain is gaining on Obama. Why would Obama go out of his way to validate one of McCain’s main talking points, that McCain was right about the surge?
The article you quote is dated July 24, and Obama appeared on O’Reilly’s show on September 4.
I keep remembering the Michael Moore flik on Iraq, the scene showing dead babies being tossed into trucks.
I don’t think I can stand another flik like that one. I know that some Iraqi critics of the partition scheme argued that “it is all scrabbled eggs,” i.e., the mixture of Sunni and Shiite across the country, but if a civil war, and many humdreds of thousands of death, can be avoided by partition, why isn’t it being considered? The Shiites want control of their regions, obviously, while the Sunni want a fair share of the oil revenues, given that most of the oil is not in Sunni territory. And the Kurds just want Kurdistan to emerge.
Was Biden correct all along? Is partition still an option? And is it the best option to prevent civil war?
Shergald, I am shocked and appalled beyond belief that you, of all people, think this might be a good idea. How in HELL you can support this is beyond me.
For starters, how about the fact that the overwhelming majority of Iraqis DO NOT WANT THEIR COUNTRY PARTITIONED, and DO NOT WANT TO BE FORCED AGAINST THEIR WILL TO LIVE IN SOME ARTIFICIAL GEO-ETHNO-SECTARIAN PLACE PATERNALISTICALLY CREATED BY THE IMPERIAL POWER? Does that matter as little to you as it does to patronizing, condescending, racist American supremicists like Joe Biden who believe THEY and not Iraqis know what is best for the “little brown people” on the other side of the earth?
Then, what would you do with the millions of mixed families? Would you simply rip them apart, and forceably transport everyone to their own “correct” partition, after ethnically cleansing it of the people who did not “belong” there?
Would you force husband and wife to divorce, or just to live apart for the rest of their lives? Would you allow conjugal visits, or not?
Would you force little children to make a choice between their two parents by forcing them to choose which sect or ethnicity they wanted to belong to, or would you force the parents to make something akin to a Sophie’s choice, or would you have “the authorities” decide for them? And after that, how would you bring yourselves to rip confused, wailing children away from half of their family, and put them in trucks to transport them to a place they have never seen, and compel them by force to live amongst people they have never met.
And what about the extended family that is so central to the lives of every Iraqi? So, people should be ripped away from their uncles, aunts, grandparents, or cousins, never to see them again?
And what about neighborhoods that in places like Iraq tend to remain stable, not just for years, but for generations, and where neighbors, regardless of sect or ethnicity, become like family.
And given that most of the Arab tribes are mixed Sunni and Shi`a, what are you going to do, force each tribe to divide itself by sect?
And then what will you do about those who do not fit at all into any of those nice, neat, three little categories you so paternalistically endorse? What would you do with the Christians, of which there are – to name only the most prominent groups – Assyrians, Chaldeans, Armenians, Catholics, and Protestants? Would you create a no-man’s land between partitions just for them, and forceably relocate them to those areas? And what about the Yezidis? Where would you force THEM to live? And what about the Mandaeans? Where would you forceably deport them to?
And what about secular Iraqis? Where would they be forced to live?
What you are talking about is a massive, nationwide, ethnic cleansing followed by forced transfer of millions of people against their will. What you are talking about is dividing a country and a people that for centuries – no millennia – have NEVER been divided.
Are you aware that what you – and Biden, and those who supported his idiotic plan – are suggesting as a good idea is very much what the Zionists did in 1948? And are you aware that this is very similar to what Saddam did when he ethnically cleansed Kirkuk of large numbers of Kurds, and then snatched Arabs living near the Iran border, forced them into trucks, and transported masses of them to Kirkuk to take the place of the Kurds he had cleansed – a kind of double ethnic cleansing?
And I could keep going and going. In fact, the list of why this is an inexcusably unconscionable idea would fill volumes.
You really need to think this thing through more carefully, Shergald, please. You are much to decent and knowledgeable to have it even cross your mind that it is a good idea.
Quite a rant Hurria, and I appreciate that you took the time to expose the weaknesses in the idea of partition. It is rather the likelihood of a bloody civil war once the US departs that scares me most. I did not know that there had been a poll among Iraqs that laid out their preference, or I might have been more thoughtful.
However, in no way did I not understand that Iraqis from different sects were intermarried, nor did I expect that some kind of purity attended the idea of separation, that Shiites could not live in predominantly Sunni areas, and vice versus. However, there are strong political forces yanking these regions apart and civil war has been on the horizon ever since the US invasion. When the British engaged in country building after WWI, they just didn’t take into consideration the sectarian and tribal nature of these regions, which produced tensions ever since.
However, it is the people there who must decide, and as you say, they have chosen. So be it. However, there is little question that the Kurds, a forgotten people, would prefer to be in their own nation.
Who gives us the right to dictate whether Iraq will have civil war or not? Isn’t it about time that the US stopped playing god for many parts of the world?
I think you hit it on the head, Steven, and McCain is looking more and more insane every day. Now, tell me what happens to a nation led by a mad man? America seems to be a textbook case of this occurring right at the moment, courtesy of GW Bush. Elect the Bobsi twins and it will be another empire down the drain. Why can’t our citizens perceive this? That mist right ahead folks, is another Niagara Falls. Hold on to your seats!
“Who gives us the right to dictate whether Iraq will have civil war or not? Isn’t it about time that the US stopped playing god for many parts of the world?“
Thank you!
And by the way, as I have stated here numerous times, prior to 2003, going back as many centuries as you would like to go back, Iraq has no history of serious, protracted, or widespread civil conflict. On the contrary, Iraq has always had a very diverse population – being a crossroads to the world and all that – and the numerous peoples of the region have always gotten along as well as any other diverse population, and better than many. The so-called “sectarian” conflict there since 2003 is clearly a direct result of policies and actions of the invasion and occupation. I could enumerate some of the factors if you like.
The only way Iraq has a chance of beginning to return to any degree of normalcy will be only after the occupation has ended, and the U.S. has withdrawn completely. That is one reason I do not support Obama. He does not and never has intended to end the occupation, only to reconfigure it. Ditto for Hillary Clinton.
“the Sunni Awakening Councils which began fighting against Sunni insurgents“
I know this is the “received truth” – rather the received rubbish – but the “Sunni Awakening Councils” did NOT “begin fighting against Sunni insurgents (sic)”.
First, there are no insurgents in Iraq. There are resistance fighters, and there are those who are fighting amongst themselves for power, and there are criminals who are taking advantage of the disorder created by the Americans, and there may be – a very big perhaps – some who could legitimately be called “terrorists”.
Using the term “insurgent” for anyone whom the U.S. considers a “bad guy” is a propagandistic use of language. An insurgency is what happened in Iraq in 1991 when Iraqis rose up in large numbers and tried to overthrow the regime. Nothing that is going on in Iraq since 2003 is an insurgency – unless, of course, you consider the U.S. occupation to be a legitimate civil authority.
Second, the so-called “Awakening Councils” (what highly paid P.R. firm dreamed up THAT name?!) are not about a number of things, none of which is “fighting against Sunni insurgents (sic)”.
Third, tribal leaders in the areas where the so-called “Awakening Councils” were set up were fighting since 2004 against a certain religiously backward element, at least some of which was foreign, that was imposing its backward and unIslamic standards on the unwilling local people. This element was called by various inaccurate names by the Americans (all made up in the offices of the government-paid P.R. firms, no doubt), including “foreign fighters”, then “Zarqawi followers”, then “Al Qa`eda in Iraq”, and now “Sunni insurgents”. The U.S. military even tried to make some propaganda about that from time to time.
In fact, the so-called “Awakening Councils” were not part of The Surge<sup>TM</sup> at all. And their history in a nutshell goes like this:
The tribes had been fighting against the “foreign fighters/Zarqawi followers/Al Qa’eda in Iraq/Sunni insurgents” since 2004. They were also defending against the brutal occupation of their country by a foreign power. It was awfully difficult to fight effectively against the “foreign fighters/Zarqawi followers/Al Qa’eda in Iraq/Sunni insurgents” when they were constantly having to defend themselves against the brutal attacks and raids of the occupation forces. Therefore, numerous times since 2004 their tribal leaders had gone to the Americans to ask for assistance, or at least for a cessation of the attacks on their towns and villages so they would be more able to fight those who were trying to impose their absurd form of Islam on everyone.
Finally, in late 2006 (or early 2007, I don’t recall exactly at the moment), they approached the Americans yet again, and this time the Americans decided maybe it would be a good idea to agree to assist these people – and besides, it would make for GREAT P.R. And of course, Petraeus, ever alert for any opportunity for self aggrandizement, took full credit for having thought up the idea, and instigated the project, when it had been the Iraqis’ actions all along.