Bet on it.
Poll: Obama Grabs Lead In Deep-Red Georgia
For the first time ever, a new poll has Barack Obama ahead of John McCain in Georgia, on the heels of a recent trend that showed the race tightening here.
The new numbers from InsiderAdvantage: Obama 48%, McCain 47%, within the ±3.8% margin of error.
On the one hand, this poll could be an outlier. But other recent polls have shown McCain ahead by only two to eight points in this deep-red state, and the gap has narrowed from previous larger McCain leads.
From the pollster’s analysis: “While this is a tight race, the problem for McCain is that all but 3 percent of whites have made their decision and approximately 8 percent of black voters have continued to say they are undecided or voting ‘other.’ This will likely move closer to 95 percent for Obama when all said and done. Obama has room to go up.”
The crux of the matter? It’s a New Old South.
Read on for more.
While this is a tight race, the problem for McCain is that all but 3 percent of whites have made their decision and approximately 8 percent of black voters have continued to say they are undecided or voting ‘other.’ This will likely move closer to 95 percent for Obama when all said and done. Obama has room to go up.
I saw this quote liiustrated quite clearly through the hallucinatory fog of overtired long-distance driving about 15 years ago.
I had a fairly complicated set of jobs in the south over a period of a couple of weeks…mostly within driving distance of Atlanta or on the route that would take me back to NYC…and decided to start the trip by driving alone from New York City to Atlanta (nearly 900 miles) a trip that takes you through the rural backwoods of western Virginia, North Carolina and northeastern Georgia. I knew that I would have to stop and sleep sometime during this trip, but I did not know that when the need for sleep overtook me I would be in some stretch of maybe 100 miles of piney woods forest that offered no visible motels of any kind. I kept on going…I did have a thermos of serious long-distance coffee…until somewhere near the 6AM Georgia border where I found a failed Howard Johnson’s motel/restaurant that had been reopened under another name (red roof and all) and gratefully fell into an exhausted sleep. I had to get up in a few hours hours in order to be able to make my rehearsal/sound check in Atlanta, and I went over to the restaurant to have some breakfast before resuming my trip. It was a rural southern Sunday morning, and apparently this restaurant was the happening place to be on Sunday morning in this neck of the woods. It was packed, and the cafeteria-style buffet that was laid out was just incredible. Real southern cafeteria food, done right. The works…fried chicken, grits, fried catfish, ham, greens, hushpuppies, barbeque…YOU know, if you’ve ever been in the real south.
Now…I was pretty well wasted from too little sleep and too much caffeine-fueled driving so I wasn’t looking around much, but as the first cup of coffee and the good food began to do its work I noticed that almost the entire crowd was Sunday-after-church black families. Including the minister. No problem as far as I was concerned…there was no hostility whatsoever in that restaurant, just a fairly prosperous bunch of rural black families enjoying a beautiful late spring Sunday morning and besides, being a white jazz musician and a New Yorker I am more than used to being one of the few white people in a room.
So there I was, enjoying the fine food, and next to me at the counter where I had taken a stool sat two late-40s white working men. Carpenters, house fixer/handymen/house painters it turns out. The type of guys who 20 or 30 years earlier would not have been seen dead in a black eating place. And they sat down and immediately started talking about what a drag it was that they had to work on a Sunday, about how “things had changed”.
Not in a necessarily negative manner…more like simultaneously accepting and puzzled. Resigned, I guess would be a better word. Somewhere in there.
The gist of their conversation was that the town had turned upside down over the preceding 20 years or so, that now it was a black town where they found themselves in the position of handyman to black families instead the reverse, instead of “the way things were” when they had been kids.
And there it was.
The real social movement in the south post-civil rights era..
Black people coming back from the pre-civil rights northern migration, coming back with some money, coming back home. Other black people who had stayed there collecting their own chickens as they came home to roost…the fruits of their long labors… in a righteous and rightful manner.
The worm had done turned, baby.
At least it had in this particular town.
That process continued, and what we see happening today in Georgia and elsewhere in the south……win, lose or draw… is the direct result of that turn.
Bet on it.
The south DID rise.
Only…’twasn’t ‘zakly the way the crackers had imagined it would.
Nope.
The old south done moved north.
To Northern Appalachia. To Ohio and western Pennsylvania and Maine and Alaska.
Bet on it. (Let us pray.)
Later…
AG
Whatever…
AG
so who to believe?
The ball is in the air, now.
It either lands fair of foul.
But it has most definitely been hit hard.
Close call?
Then come the goddamned replays, the arguments from both sides, incompetent and/or crooked refs…YOU know.
2004 redux if it’s close.
Watch.
I hope THAT Obama hits the ball out of the fucking stadium, myself. But then of course the Rats will just claim that his bat was corked.
May you be born into interesting times.
Later…
AG
i just luv the ‘morans’ photo.
Yeah.
Me too.
Another dimension?
Encyclopaedia Brittanica:
Yup.
From the mouths of fools…
AG
GO USA!!
AG,
I doubt those white dudes have any knowledge of Maasai “Morans” they just don’t know how to spell.
their sign is clearly a mispelling.
The essence of synchronicity is that it doesn’t give a good goddamn about how smart its subjects may be.
That’s why it’s so perfect.
AG
synchroneity
the essence of synchronicity?
synchronous
you may wish to revisit that.
Ahh yes, West Pennsyltuckianaio, aka “that stretch of life on the 7’s interstates” (70, 71, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, and 79) between Philly and Chicago.
I know it well.
Rest of the country got a clue a while ago. It was forced upon them. Up here? Fagheddaboutit.
That’s not all of it, Zandar.
Rural New York? New England? The west? The northern mid-west? The Dakotas and Nebraska? Iowa?
And CERTAINLY Alaska.
Bet on it.
How many pollsters have been hoofing it out into the badlands?
A couple of ACORN workers falsified their records?
HOO boy!!!
Imagine what’s going on with the pollsters!
AG
Umm… where to start.
How’s about this: historically, “the north” has referred to the continental US north of the mason-dixon line. Alaska is not counted in that number anymore than Hawaii is part of the South.
And please, when you mention the “northern appalachia” that includes Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York State, parts of PA, Vermont, and New Hampshire: are you really saying that vermont, massachusetts, and connecticut remind you of the old south? really? Cus I lived in all of those places, and they don’t remind me of that at all.
As for Maine and new Hampshire, those two states have been the black sheep of the new england family for decades if not centuries. Maine has been redneck for as long as this 38 year old guy can remember, and the same is true of new hampshire. to claim that this is some recent development is hogwash.
Sorry, AG, your post is completely unserious.
Where have you been living in rural central north-central and western Massachusetts and Pennsylvania, all of New York past about an hour’s drive north of NYC, rural Connecticut, and backwoods Vermont?
In college towns or small cities?
Please.
You can get your ass thoroughly kicked…if not worse…in any hunter’s bar throughout that region.
My son just graduated from Bennington College in Vermont , and man…you go 15 minutes in any direction from that chi-chi little town, go into the local diner, start spouting about the new age ‘acomin’ and see on what side of your head you end up getting smacked. He got involved with some rough, hard drinking Irish judo guys in Troy NY…he’s deep into martial arts and you do not get a good workout playing with middle class pitty-patters…and the south lives there as well. In South Boston too, while I’m at it. Why do you think they call it “South” Boston?
Western Pennsylvania? Even Murtha couldn’t keep his yap shut about it and he had something to lose.
Around Worcester? I’m there all the time, hanging with some car nuts. They’ll do you in a NY minute if you come off wrong.
New York? I’m wary of the fucking State Police once I get past the Catskills, let alone the civilians. Ithaca? Another place I frequent? Ditto Bennington only bigger. You think because some yuppies are growing wine in the region that they run the place? Buffalo reminds me of nothing more than Birmingham, Alabama except it has less black people, less work and more Italians.
Get real.
And this?
The Mason-Dixon line be damned.
I am dealing with the Manson-Nixon line. And baby…that line wanders all OVER the place.
It even goes through Staten island.
Bet on it.
AG
ummm… you really have so many preconceptions and assumptions about my background, that it’s impossible to address them all.
Here’s the statement upon which I based those comments.
If you lived in “those places” and you could simultaneously say the above…then you somehow missed the tenor of the neighborhoods.
Don’t feel bad…a lot of people keep their eyes wide closed. Travel only on interstates, live in places where those Maine and New Hampshire-like rednecks are not too intrusive (“Maine has been redneck for as long as this 38 year old guy can remember, and the same is true of new hampshire.”) etc.
38 big years, eh?
Keep workin’ on it’.
Plus…
You are a total literalist. In an equally totally unintelligent manner.
So it goes, brendan.
So it goes.
Are you sure you’re not Sarah Palin in drag?
Later…
AG
“Don’t feel bad…a lot of people keep their eyes wide closed. Travel only on interstates, live in places where those Maine and New Hampshire-like rednecks are not too intrusive (“Maine has been redneck for as long as this 38 year old guy can remember, and the same is true of new hampshire.”) etc.”
Arthur,
It’s incredibly offensive to assume that, just because someone doesn’t share your point of view, a person is somehow blind, fooling themselves, etc. It’s also pretty lame to call someone who you’ve never met “unintelligent.”
So rather than talk to someone who thinks I’m stupid, I’ll just do what most people do when they bump into a babbling quack wearing a sandwich board that reads “The End is Near”: I’ll cross to the other side of the street and give you wide berth.
Enjoy your paranoid little planet, dingaling. You’re a little too cuckoo for cocoa puffs for me.
What a surprise!
You do not much like to notice that which does not fit your preconceptions of what should be, do you brendan me hearty?
As you must.
If wishes were horses, fools would wade even deeper in horseshit.
Also as you must.
You write:
Were you to not “share my point of view” tactically or strategically…or even over arguable facts… and you made some good points I would deal with you quite differently. If however you claim not to have seen an entire subculture, one that dominates large parts of that area in which you claim to have lived…
…why then will I most certainly think that you are blind. Willfully blind, more than likely. Not only do I know that the Appalachian culture as it is commonly referred to…working class whites of predominantly Anglo-Celtic ancestry, mostly Protestant, mostly conservative, mostly rural and mostly suspicious as hell of people from outside of that culture…is represented there in great numbers…
Hell, brendan I am one of them in a hereditary sense. I not only know that they exist…I go to visit them as part of my extended family. They are cops and nurses and electricians and craftsmen and fishermen and farmers and shopkeepers and cooks and…
And they make the wheels turn in New England.
Bet on it.
You may as well tell a pine tree that there is no large population of conifers in the northern forests.
And then to add this totally uncomprehending comment?
The “Ummm” word is enough to mark your pissy territory all by itself.
“Ummm…”
A sure symptom of the dreaded Paris Hilton virus.
“Unintelligent” doesn’t even begin to cut it.
Please.
DO cross to the other side of the street.
For my pleasure and for my health.
Later…
AG
whatever bro
AG – without passing judgment on your overall thesis, your GA poll is the wrong story to peg it on. The more wiggle room among undecided GA blacks for Obama probably has a simple explanation: the presence of ex-Rep. Cynthia McKinney (a black Georgian with a loyal following) on the ballot.
As for racism: you find it everywhere. As an adult I’ve been a community organizer in Houston, D.C., and Seattle, and easily Seattle is the most racist, simply because almost nobody here is willing to acknowledge it’s a problem. But my mother’s circle of friends (elderly white folks in rural Georgia & Tennessee) mostly can’t refer to Obama without using the N-word. There’s plenty of the Old South left in the Old South, too, tho thankfully much of it is dying off year by year.