This is your Senate Finance Committee:
These people have jurisdiction over major elements of the health care bill that is being crafted in the Senate. As the name of the committee suggests, their primary jurisdiction is over how to finance the plan. The equivalent committee in the House is the called Ways & Means and is chaired by Charlie Rangel of Harlem, New York. Rangel’s committee decided on a plan that raises a lot of revenue by taxing individuals who make over a quarter of a million dollars a year (and couples who make more than $380,000/year). This income surtax goes up progressively, hitting millionaires most heavily. It will only affect the top 1.2% of American taxpayers.
The Senate Finance Committee wants no part of Rangel’s plan. So far, they do not appear to even want a public option in the health care bill. The New York Times reports:
…the Finance Committee, including a bipartisan team of six negotiators, is expected to continue working on the health care legislation this week. Mr. Baucus, the committee chairman, has told colleagues that he will give the bipartisan group until Sept. 15 to reach a deal, or he will press ahead for action by the full committee.”
The three Republicans in that bipartisan group are Ranking Member Chuck Grassley of Iowa, the Ranking Member of the HELP Committee Mike Enzi of Wyoming, and Olympia Snowe of Maine. When the HELP committee wrote up their version of the health care bill, Sen. Enzi was a complete obstructionist and no Republicans on his committee voted for the final product. But, now that Enzi is serving in his capacity as a member of the Finance Committee, things are supposed to be different? I suppose they could be, but only if the Finance Bill comes out negating everything that was done by Chris Dodd’s HELP Committee. As for Chuck Grassley, he’s made it clear that he won’t support anything that looks remotely like what the HELP Committee produced, let alone the bills produced by the House’s Ways & Means, Education & Labor, and Energy & Commerce committees. We have four bills to look at, and we’re just waiting for the fifth and final version from Max Baucus’s Finance Committee. Baucus has the votes to pass something without any Republican support, but it is not certain that all 60 Democrats in the Senate will support the bills that have been produced so far. It would be helpful if at least one Republican could be brought over to support the bill in case a Democrat like Ben Nelson of Nebraska defects.
But, on the Finance Committee, only Olympia Snowe of Maine shows any trace of receptiveness to voting for the health care bill. And, I don’t think she’s likely to vote for a public option. Given these facts, it’s very likely that even if Baucus can convince Snowe to vote for the Finance version of the bill, she will probably vote against the bill on the Senate floor and on the
conference report vote of the bill once it has been reconciled with the House version.
Chasing after Snowe’s vote is a fool’s game. I don’t think we will have 60 votes for a public option, so the Senate will have to pass the bill in the budget reconciliation process after October 15th. In that process, the bill will only require 50 votes to pass. That’s a hurdle that we can clear, but it comes at a cost. Any provisions of legislation passed during budget reconciliation are subject to a point of order (the Byrd Rule) if “they do not produce a change in outlays or revenues, or they produce changes in outlays or revenue which are merely incidental to the non-budgetary components of the provision.”
In other words, under the reconciliation proces, during the debate over the Health Care bill the Republicans can move to strike all sorts of peripheral elements of the bill if they cannot be shown to have some non-incidental impact on the budget. Depending on interpretation, this could apply to wellness programs (which are hard to score budgetarily), or any number of other important provisions.
The result could be a very pared down version of the bill. It might have less pork in it, but it could also lose vital (but theoretical) cost-savings provisions that will come back to haunt us later. Another feature of the reconciliation process is that legislation passed under the process faces an automatic five-year sunset (like Bush’s tax cuts) and therefore can be killed off later if the makeup of Congress flips sides.
On the other hand, the Democrats could pass a bill under regular order that has the support of all 60 Democrats. The difficulty with that is in getting the most centrist members to support a bill that is acceptable to mainstream Democrats in the House and Senate. And, those centrists don’t like to vote for anything that doesn’t have at least a vote worth of bipartisan support. Voting with the Democrats on a party-line vote as well-publicized at the Health Care bill leaves them feeling alone and exposed.
Beyond that, a few of these folks are basically ideological-Republicans. They oppose the bill for many of the same reasons the Republicans do. They’re corporate whores who deplore government action in the private sector. So, get ready for reconciliation. Baucus had his chance.
Take a look at this-Booman. This is what the republicans did to Llyod Doggett at his townhall meeting.
Words fail me-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8UjY3YDlwA
how do you think Doggett will vote on single-payer?
hE TOOK THE pLEDGE-
http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/video/lloyd_doggett_takes_the_pledge/
Lovely. Back in the days of my youthful activism — and as recently as Bush rallies — this kind of behavior got you arrested and knocked around a bit. Where are the riot police when you really need them? Seriously. Should other people at these events start yelling back? How about we bus around a wheelchair brigade to accidentally run over the toes of these people? Teabaggers assaulting paraplegics with “No Health Reform” signs would make delightful news viewing…
Excellent question. Yes-where the hell are the riot police when you really need them?
I wonder how many were paid to be there. That’s the oldest trick in the book.
On a related note, liberals in the House have won a concession. They will get an opportunity to debate and vote on a single-payer bill. Many progressives are going to try to whip this vote to get the maximum amount of support for it. They will swear off any Democrat who votes against it.
I have a different view. I am willing to predict right now that the support for single-payer will be so low that it will be utterly demoralizing and will badly divide the party, leading to mutual distrust and all kinds of recriminations. This concession isn’t a victory, but a curse.
That doesn’t mean that it won’t be revealing. It will be very revealing. I will be fascinated to see the vote tally. I believe it will create a tool that progressive will use for the next decade to organize. It will tell us a tremendous amount about how progressives are viewed by the rest of the Caucus. And we won’t like what we see. At all.
Shades of Anthony Weiner. Be careful what you wish for…
Good for them. It’s time Americans see who stands where and make their choice based on something other than white teeth and fornication. The libs should have done this long ago to give the Senate trogs and their pimps something real to worry about compared to the public option.
Will we see a vote tally, though? If there’s a way, I’m sure they’ll keep it secret.
yes, of course we will see a vote tally. We’ll see it here. Bookmark it.
l’m assuming you’re referring to HR 676…conyer’s bill.
there’s a healthy list of 93 cosponsors as well. the progressive caucus has a lot riding on this, as well as their pledge to vote against any bill that doesn’t include a robust public option. so, in essence, the divide is already there. it’s a bit of a mexican standoff…the progs v. the blue dogs. l hope they stand their ground, personally. regardless the potential for recriminations. the time is well past due, and as you note, we may not like the outcome, but it will clear the air, vis-a-vis who’s real and who isn’t. not that there’s much doubt in that regard.
we shall see.
And how many more than 93 votes do you expect to see?
How does getting crushed help our cause?
Remind me: what’s our cause again?
I think Obama is setting the Dems. up for a big fall in 2010. As his top aides now propose a middle class tax increase to pay for budget deficits–in part for health care reform. Personally, I would like to see a tax on each stock trade before there is a middle class tax increase.
http://news.aol.com/article/obama-may-raise-taxes-on-middle-class/596102
When can we just start referring to centrists as “assholes?”
frankly, l don’t think there’s any other way to get a bill, or bills, passed without resorting to reconciliation, and it appears that it’s getting a very serious look. aside from the obvious drawbacks and potential roadblocks, there seems to be a way to pull it off by breaking the legislation up into two pieces.
via the nyt’s on the hill:
methinks, somebody’s been doing their homework.
Sounds like a plan. If they manage to pull it off I’ll have to revise my thinking about the uselessness of Democrats.
Good Take on Budget Reconciliation.
http://www.samefacts.com/archives/democrats_in_congress_/2009/08/joke_of_the_day_budget_reconciliati
on_and_health_reform.php
If Dems refuse to break a filibuster they should forget reconciliation and try again later. Why can’t they just let the filibuster run as long as it takes while marshaling all their resources to make sure everybody knows that the GOP and everybody else voting against cloture is voting against healthcare for all Americans? OK, rhetorical question: they could, but won’t because that would mean exposing their own lack of interest. IE, their own shameless corruption: they can’t bring themselves to give up the bribes.
Politically they’d be better off campaigning on how the GOP killed healthcare than they would on passing a tepid reform that doesn’t work. The country would be better off seeing that the system doesn’t work, that the healthcare debacle is just a symptom of much deeper disease in the body politic that needs a radical operation.
I still think Obama will finally call time and start asserting himself on this. He knows that if he doesn’t he’ll be tagged as a loser for the rest of his (maybe only) term. If he keeps insisting on chasing the “bipartisan” lunacy, that will be what he deserves. But I think he’s smarter than that. We’ll see.
And BTW, Boo, WHY do you insist on calling these gangsters “centrists”? Do you really think Bohner and Kyle define the center?
All we need is to pass the amendment that permits states to enact their own single payer plans. If we can get a few states the rest of the country will come along very fast. That is how it was done in Canada. Pennsylvania has a very strong single payer movement.
What’s the outlook on that? Isn’t it only in the House?
Would it give states funding to do their own plans? If not I don’t see how it would help, most states being essentially bankrupted by Bush and the DINOs.