When it comes time to sort out the heroes and villains of the struggle to pass health care reform, Kent Conrad is definitely going to be in the villain column.
“The only way this works is for the House to pass the Senate bill and then, depending on what the package is, the reconciliation provision that moves first through the House and then comes here,” said Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND). “That’s the only way that works.”
I pointed out that House leadership has repeatedly said they won’t take a flier on a reconciliation package–that they will only pass the Senate bill after the smaller side-car reconciliation bill has been all wrapped up.
“Fine, then it’s dead,” Conrad said.
Conrad added that he wouldn’t personally make any promises or symbolic gestures to House members to assure them that the Senate can or will take any action in a reconciliation bill to address House concerns.
“I don’t sign any blank check,” Conrad said.
As chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, Conrad has a large say in how the budget reconciliation process is used, and he has never been a supporter of using it to pass health care. A month ago he relented somewhat in the limited sense that he said he might support a sidecar reconciliation bill if the House passed the Senate bill first. But he reiterated his overall opposition to the use of reconciliation:
“I have never supported the use of reconciliation for healthcare reform writ large,” he said Wednesday. “I’ve never thought that would work. I think the reason it wasn’t used is it became clear to others that it wouldn’t work for a whole series of reasons.”
Last April Think Progress’s Ryan Powers tried to explain things to Conrad, to no avail.
If Conrad is committed to health care reform, he would do well to support the use of the reconciliation process, should it be necessary. Indeed, as he himself argued last fall, “[I]f we as a society fail to control health care costs, there will be a detrimental effect on our nation’s economy and standard of living.”
Keeping reconciliation on the table does not preclude using the “regular Senate process” that Conrad prefers. To make use of that regular process requires that congressional Republicans negotiate health care reform in good faith. But as Igor Volsky explains, Republicans have shown in recent months that they have no intention of doing so:
By constantly bitching about even issuing the threat of using reconciliation, Conrad cut the knees out of a vital negotiating stratagem. He effectively assured that the administration would be constrained by a 60-vote requirement and that people would get it in their heads that health care reform would live or die based on the ability to obtain a supermajority in support of it.
Nothing undermined efforts at bipartisanship more than setting up these near impossible expectations.
But Booman, Conrad speaks for and represents such an enormous percentage of Americans…….
That percentage would be Blue Cross/Blue Shield of North Dakota.
Ugh, I can’t even read TPM anymore, their reporting has become so relentlessly, almost gleefully negative. Their primary editorial spin seems to be “Told ya so!” about healthcare, Democrats, and everything else. Maybe it is Josh Marshall’s cynical-seasoned-reporter thing shining through. But there is a big difference between cynicism and realism, and I think they’ve lost track of it.
Matt Cooper is still listed as Editor, and writer but I haven’t noticed anything he has written for awhile. His 1st few articles when he first came onboard got quite a lot of pushback. I don’t know if he is actually still working there or not but he is definitely not progressive and he may have changed the tone, especially if he has anything to do with headings for articles.
I’ve always considered Matt Cooper to be a shill, and it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if his background included intelligence work. Wasn’t he a translator for Allende or something like that at the time the CIA was trying to overthrow him (an effort which resulted in Allende’s death)?
I don’t think “”Told ya so!” about healthcare, Democrats, and everything else” is all that far from the truth.
it’s what the democrats do. yes, there are individuals in the party with integrity and honesty, but in the main, they’re deceitful assholes, as Glenn Greenwald notes;
And as i have been saying since day one, since the very minute i saw “healthcare reform now” had morphed into “health insurance reform now”, with the word “insurance” in much much smaller font than the rest of the sign, that the jig was up. it was a lie, a campaign slogan, and now that they’re being held to it, they want to get out of it, which is why you’ve seen so many contortions.
Perhaps – politicians as a breed tend towards the deceitful and assholish. And the spectacle of Dem panic following the Brown election was truly pathetic. At the time I wondered, and still do, whether all that fear coming to light was healthy on some level as it forced Dems to recognize the deep strain of Chicken Little-ism running through the party.
That said, saying that acting weak and fearfully is “what the Democrats do” (I don’t want to put words in your mouth, but I think that’s what you meant) is not helpful. It reinforces negative beliefs about the party. The Dem rank-and-file then conforms itself to those beliefs and it trickles up to the leadership. Witness the Republican rank-and-file: they believe they are ferocious, ruthless, and totally in the right, and I’ll be damned if their politicians don’t act that way.
We may not always be able to get politicians with integrity and honesty, but we can hold them to certain standards of behavior, and part of that comes from teaching them that political cowardice is not an inherent part of their (and our) DNA.
I do believe that Harry Truman put it best:
they act deceitfully is what i said, and i was quoting greenwald.
i disagree strongly with your tautological argument. let’s change a few words and see how it works out:
so what you’re saying, and I don’t want to put words in YOUR mouth either, is essentially “don’t say anything when the democrats act deceitfully because they will only be more so.”
you know how you “hold them to certain standards of behavior” and “[teach] them that political cowardice is not an inherent part of their (and our) DNA”?
By callign them out when they act like deceitful bastards, and reward them when they don’t. not saying anything is not an option. i think what you’re doing is blaming the messenger.
I misinterpreted your comment, then – apologies for that.
Regarding my comment, I realize that the extent and best ways to criticize the Dem leadership is a debate that has played out particularly intensely among the rank-and-file since Obama’s election. I don’t intend to say that people should be silent when Dems act “deceitfully,” as you put it. What I mean to call attention to is the strain of self-defeatism, the “Democrats are completely pathetic and can’t get their shit together and never will be able to” meme that’s been a feature of so much progressive dialogue of the past 18 months, and really for many years before that. It’s what I was calling attention to my original comment about TPM: a sense that they are wholeheartedly taking part in that form of criticism. I think it is a tired argument and not at all constructive towards getting Dems to really fight for their platform more often and harder. Rather, it gives them an excuse: “We are pathetic, so we shouldn’t be expected to accomplish anything of substance.” A different approach(es) is called for, in my view.
I agree that many, many Dem leaders are deceitful, frequently sell out progressives on the issues, and make crap excuses for their behavior as you and Greenwald pointed out. I may be wrong about the best way to get them to change; you may be right. I dunno, just calling it like I see it.
i think the best way to deal with bad democrats is to vote them out and primary them with good (or at least better) democrats.
but I don’t think TPM is gleeful about it. i read the site daily (first blog i ever visited actually) and the zeitgeist there seems to be sadness and anger.
it sucks to leanr that your supposed friends, as flawed as they may be, aren’t really your friends at all.
It’s like being sold out by your union, something too many workers know a lot about.
Well, that’s definitely true about many of the unions, unfortunately.
I see your point about the sadness and anger at TPM. I hadn’t really taken that into account.
those people aren’t dicks over there. they’re not kneejerk anti-obama people like some blogs, although i will admit they traffic occasionally in frivolous DC gossip.
but i’ve always found JMM to be a decent writer and someone of goodwill even when I’ve disgareed with him.
a lot of people are really sad about the way things have turned out. I know i am. I mean, shit, I voted for Obama too, as critical as i am of the guy. I voted for him in the primary. And while i didn’t expect miracles, I expected a solid democratic majority would, like the solid republican majority before it, get things done.
ugh, I can’t even talk about it. I’m heading out for a beer.
The number of contacts has reached half of the 1 million minimum goal.
If you haven’t taken the brief time to participate in this pressure effort on healthcare, please do and activate your personal networks to as well (they have a nice Facebook link with a map of where calls have been coming from–all 50 states now).
If you are a single-payer advocate you can tell your Senators (and don’t neglect the Republicans) that; if you want to see the public option pushed through reconciliation, tell them that; if you just want to see the damn bill passed, tell them that. MoveOn does not have a set script that you need to follow. And do send the canned fax; it is sort of generic but will aid Senators with a count of how many folks MoveOn turned out.
Link to MoveOn’s march: http://pol.moveon.org/virtualmarch10/action.html?rc=homepage
Please join up!
It’s at almost 1.1 million now. Tomorrow is not too late to join in.
http://pol.moveon.org/virtualmarch10/action.html?rc=p_fix
Boehner has invited Stupak to the healthcare summit because of Stupak’s views on abortion.
But Boehner doesn’t know that Stupak is for getting something passed.
The cage match is getting very interesting and might draw enough viewers and media attention even for the daytime. Guaranteed to have some conflict and drama.