All the focus on the Rolling Stone article seems to be focused on the disparaging comments of Stanley McChrystal and his senior staff. Clearly, McChrystal has set himself up to get cashiered. He’ll meet the president tomorrow to attempt to explain himself. But the real meat of the article is that we’re wasting our time in Afghanistan and that McChrystal’s COIN strategy has no chance of working in the alloted time, or, probably, ever.
“There is no denying the progress that the Afghan people have made in recent years – in education, in health care and economic development,” the president says. “As I saw in the lights across Kabul when I landed – lights that would not have been visible just a few years earlier.”
It is a disconcerting observation for Obama to make. During the worst years in Iraq, when the Bush administration had no real progress to point to, officials used to offer up the exact same evidence of success. “It was one of our first impressions,” one GOP official said in 2006, after landing in Baghdad at the height of the sectarian violence. “So many lights shining brightly.” So it is to the language of the Iraq War that the Obama administration has turned – talk of progress, of city lights, of metrics like health care and education. Rhetoric that just a few years ago they would have mocked. “They are trying to manipulate perceptions because there is no definition of victory – because victory is not even defined or recognizable,” says Celeste Ward, a senior defense analyst at the RAND Corporation who served as a political adviser to U.S. commanders in Iraq in 2006. “That’s the game we’re in right now. What we need, for strategic purposes, is to create the perception that we didn’t get run off. The facts on the ground are not great, and are not going to become great in the near future.”
But facts on the ground, as history has proven, offer little deterrent to a military determined to stay the course. Even those closest to McChrystal know that the rising anti-war sentiment at home doesn’t begin to reflect how deeply fucked up things are in Afghanistan. “If Americans pulled back and started paying attention to this war, it would become even less popular,” a senior adviser to McChrystal says. Such realism, however, doesn’t prevent advocates of counterinsurgency from dreaming big: Instead of beginning to withdraw troops next year, as Obama promised, the military hopes to ramp up its counterinsurgency campaign even further. “There’s a possibility we could ask for another surge of U.S. forces next summer if we see success here,” a senior military official in Kabul tells me.
It’s appalling that we’re asking soldiers to risk their lives for no more strategic reason than avoiding the perception that we were run off.
I know Obama chose to give the COIN strategy a chance as a middle ground between continuing a failed strategy and abandoning Afghanistan altogether. I realize, because the effort in Afghanistan involves our NATO partners, that we have some complicated equities to consider in terms of state-to-state relations. Yet, what Obama should be looking for is an excuse to get out. They’ve been delegitimizing Karzai for a while, which I consider a precursor to justifying a bug-out. Maybe McChrystal’s actions can provide another justification. If his own staff thinks the war should be more unpopular than it is then maybe it’s time to sack the commanding general and replace him with one with instructions to wind this thing down on an accelerated timetable.
No one is really being fooled.
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See also my breaking news diary …
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(The Atlantic) – Eikenberry‘s beef with McChrystal goes back to the time when McChrystal was the Pope. The Pope is the head of the Joint Special Operations Command. The nickname goes back to an off-hand remark that Janet Reno made after failing to obtain information from JSOC after the raid at Waco. (JSOC operators were on the ground but did not assist in the raid itself.) She called JSOC the Vatican. And the head of the Vatican is … the Pope.
At some point, I think in 2005, one of McChrystal’s task-forces-that-didn’t-really-exist did something in Afghanistan that angered Eikenberriy, who was in command of the region at the time. The two men exchanged words and built mutual mistrust. They have not worked well together ever since.
McChrystal’s renegade unit blamed for Afghan deaths
[UPDATE] White House summons US general to explain himself
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Boo:
Some pretty impressive people(meaning ex-military) are saying McChrystal should be cashiered. Is Obama ready for the RWNJ freak-out that will commence if he does the right thing? Because this one would make the Kagan freak-out look like child’s play. The one thing Obama has going is that McChrystal is no where near as popular with the public as MacArthur was.
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We love mavericks, don’t we?
I see nothing in the article a meeting with a few beers can’t fix. We’re on the way out of Afghanistan anyhow! Aren’t we?
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
The whole situation is disgusting.
it appears the general is getting some support from some very interesting and unusual ‘friends’.
Afghan president strongly endorses Gen. McChrystal
yes boys and girls, the very same ahmad wali karzai who just happens to be closely tied to the illegal opium trade and the cia.
strange bedfellows, indeed.
if obama doesn’t cashier him it’ll be a very good indication of just how much power the military/intelligence community has over the government.
It’s actually not an easy decision. He clearly should be fired, but it’s not clear that firing him will actually make anything better and could make things considerably worse.
That’s why I call him a distraction. His strategy is failing. I think his strategy is actually about the best available, but it isn’t going to work.
It seems pretty easy to me. He attacked his commanding officer. Not acceptable. “Bye, Stan.” And that’s that.
As for making things considerably worse, if firing an insubordinate general whose strategy is failing anyway is going to make things considerably worse, then the Pentagon’s budget needs to be decimated because they’re idiots.
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(WaPo) May 9, 2010 – In Afghanistan, much of Karzai’s handling has fallen to McChrystal, who often takes the Afghan leader on his travels inside the country. According to diplomats in Afghanistan and analysts who travel there often, Karzai does not think he can trust Eikenberry or Richard C. Holbrooke, Obama’s special envoy to the region, who has had a long and bitter relationship with the Afghan leader. A senior foreign diplomat in Kabul called Holbrooke a Karzai “bete noire,” but both Holbrooke and Eikenberry say they have a productive relationship with the Afghan president.
Karzai: Biden, Eikenberry vs Clinton, McChrystal
This follows several months of press leaks and public criticism of Karzai, his family, and top officials for corruption, incompetence, and alleged ties to Afghanistan’s opium industry. Karzai retaliated for the diplomatic slights by musing about joining the Taliban during a meeting with Afghan elders.
The Obama administration’s divisions over Karzai are well-known. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is regarded as Karzai’s “best friend” in Washington, while Vice President Joe Biden and National Security Advisor James L. Jones are known to be among his harshest critics.
The divide extends to Kabul: Gen. Stanley McChrystal has repeatedly urged Obama to identify more closely with Karzai, while Ambassador Karl Eikenberry and Special Envoy Richard Holbrooke have urged him to distance himself from the Afghan president.
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
If Obama doesn’t fire McChrystal, I’m gonna add it to my list of disappointments. Blaming unnamed aides for dissing civilian superiors is not gonna be a good enough excuse. McChrystal was pretty damned stupid to agree to let a Rolling Stone writer hang out with him and his gang for a month. How could that ever have worked out to his advantage? His PR guy was manly enough to resign in disgrace and the general should resign for listening to him.
The excuse to get out is coming with the continued Pakistani campaign in the Northwest Territories to rid the area of “foreign fighters”. The role of the NATO ISAF is to be on the Afghanistan side of the border with the Northwest Territories and ensure that that those foreign fighters are killed or captured. The main part of that campaign is likely to occur late summer, early fall. So before December, the US can claim that it has done what it came to do — disrupt al Quaeda Central Command — and can now leave.
Setting the groundwork for that requires having the bordering states to Afghanistan commit to assisting it toward stability. That is a tough political task that Afghan leaders themselves will have to accomplish. And having some working consensus of bordering states plus India as to the process will make it a little less complicated. Of course, the heavy lifting for the Obama administration is not obtaining the original consensus but maintaining it as events unfold in Afghanistan.
The second way is to push Karzai into the arms of the Taliban and at the same time broker some arrangement that satisfies other groups (especially the Northern Alliance) about their future political standing. Partition or loose federation are not unreasonable in Afghanistan. The original loya jirga that set up the current government should have but apparently didn’t deal with the pressures toward decentralization that currently exist.
Karzai has helpfully taken the minerals issue off the table by negotiating a deal with Japan.
I think it would worth sacking Petraeus as well (or reassigning him to some out of the way desk job – military consul for the US Embassy in Vanuatu or something). And hold Gates responsible for the tone of the military, which has increasingly gone directly to Congress instead of through its chain of command.
The issue here goes beyond McChrystal to the authority that the commander-in-chief has. It is the same issue that MacArthur provoked with Truman.
I think it’s a pretty good microcosm actually. What will Obama do when his authority is challenged and how does he weigh his authority against continuation of his policies.
Can we declare victory once we can identify a thousand points of light in Kabul?
No:
‘I realize, because the effort in Afghanistan involves our NATO partners, that we have some complicated equities to consider in terms of state-to-state relations.’
If Obama ever wakes up and decides to pull out all the NATO partners would beat him to the door. They’re only there because of US pressure/insistence. The exception might be the UK but, by now, the Brits wouldn’t complain too much either if the retreat were blown.
“There’s a possibility we could ask for another surge of U.S. forces next summer if we see success here,” a senior military official in Kabul tells me.
How senior was this guy because thats quite a statement. War and occupation without end. Obama please don’t mess around. Sack McChrystal now.
I’m going to be contrarian on this. I hate this stupid occupation and there is no plan that will accomplish anything there, short of sending in a million infantry or something. BUT this little scandal about a few dumb comments McChrystal made is itself very dumb. Everybody talks shit about their bosses, even if they respect them. He’s got some macho jerks on his staff who shoot their mouths off. So what? The actual things McChyrstal is quoted as saying about the president, just a couple it seems, show poor political judgement yes but are really and truly not a big deal. So he gave his first impression of meeting the president and it wasn’t 100% positive. Everybody tries to size up their superiors when they first meet them, and obviously our judgement is very provisional. And OH MY GOD he has disagreements and tension with other big wigs. What a shock. It’s apparently unbelievable that super big egos might have a little antagonism towards each other, that their might be some struggle for power and influence…
I think you’re totally missing the point here. This is not some watercooler gossip. This is a high military official inviting a Rolling Stone correspondent to follow him around for a month and a half, and STILL knowingly talking shit about his commander, and allowing his staff to do the same. He can say whatever he wants to his buddies at the bar, but he can’t go public with it. That’s what McChrystal did. Keep in mind that this is his third strike going public to undermine his CIC.
He left Obama no choice the same way MacArthur left Truman no choice. To give him a pass on this would make Obama a powerless figurehead for the remainder of his term. He surely won’t make that mistake.
So there could have been hundreds of hours of on record time and we’re talking about like two or three statements critical of Obama personally? And some bureaucratic backbiting?
MacArthur was insubordinate and was pretending to make his own policy. McC said he was underwhelmed when he first met Obama. The two situations are not exactly comparable.
I wonder if you’d feel the same if one of McChrystal’s subordinates had gone to the national press and undermined his position as his superior? Just fuggedabout it? What are the odds the guy would have been cleaning latrines for the rest of his career? Especially if this was the third time he’d tried it?
I just read it more as McC is a bit of a doofus.
I haven’t read the article but the suggestion that a lot of these dumb comments came during beer-drinking bull sessions with the (entirely male it seems) subordinates is telling. And I don’t necessarily blame him for deciding to give a reporter access. There could be defensible reasons for doing that, given his position and importance. I’m in favor of officials of his power talking to reporters. But it seems that he lost his head a bit. I have no problem with Obama sacking him, but as John Cole convincingly argued, it is Obama’s decision to make and the media driven need to make the thing into a soap opera is the real problem.
These days the media is almost always the real problem.
Right now I’m really nervous about the possibility that Obama will find some unconvincing “conpromise” to keep him on, which will pretty much destroy the rest of his term.
But I’m glad you agree that doofuses who lose their heads might not be the best choices for commanding armies.
“I know Obama chose to give the COIN strategy a chance as a middle ground between continuing a failed strategy and abandoning Afghanistan altogether.”
This is what happens when you try to find a “middle ground” by pretending that a failed policy/strategy is just one more option for negotiation. There’s no question that Obama was saddled with a hopeless mess, but one can’t help wondering how it could have been worse if he’d just denounced the whole effort from the beginning and initiated an ASAP withdrawal then and there.
Obviously he couldn’t do that because that would have been surrendering to the terrists. It’s clear a president can’t defend the country if he’s not willing to make obscene wastes of lives and money in god-forsaken places half a world a way. All the think tanks agree.
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4 Star General McChrystal should be fired for drinking Bud Light Lime beer, what a wimp!
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Little Mac will be fired (resignation will be accepted) before sunset…