Pennsylvania is a lot like Michigan, in that it has been reliably Democratic state in recent elections, has a history of fairly conservative Democrats holding office as well as comparatively moderate Republicans, is very pro-union, and pro-gun, and pretty divided on social issues. That’s why I knew Democrats were in trouble in Pennsylvania when I started seeing really bad polling numbers out of Michigan. Then the numbers in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and Wisconsin started to go south, and I realized that something very bad was happening in the Rust Belt, and that we could be in for a punishing midterm election that goes far beyond anything I had imagined possible.
At the same time, I really had trouble believing the polls because I couldn’t identify any real support for the Republicans. In all national polling they remained less popular than the Democrats, less supported on the issues, and far less popular than the president. In fact, they have been polling at record lows all year long. Then it became clear that poll respondents weren’t actually signaling support for Republicans in many cases, but pollsters were weighting the polls in the Republicans’ favor because their voters were expressing more certainty about whether or not they would actually vote. This became known as the enthusiasm gap.
I’ve been pondering the enthusiasm gap and polling practices for a while now. I was unsettled in 2008 when the polls (of House races) proved to be surprisingly accurate. I had hoped that Obama’s massive turnout operation would lead to Democrats further down the ballot outperfoming the polls. But it turned out that people did more ticket-splitting than I had predicted, and the polls seemed to have gotten the electorate right. So, all year I have had the sick feeling that the polls (excepting Rasmussen) are correct.
Yet, on the other hand, since the polling was only showing a Republican advantage in commitment and not in outright support, I have been optimistic that the polls would start to close as the election grew closer and more Democrats were exposed to media coverage of and advertising from the campaigns. That seems to be happening now, and we can see concrete examples of Democrats who have trailed all year pulling into the lead.
One other reason for optimism is the rising level of early voting. If everyone has to vote on the same day (which is the case in Pennsylvania, unless you certify that you will not be home on election day) then the enthusiasm gap is very important. But if you have five weeks of early voting (as is the case in Ohio, for example) then the enthusiasm gap seems much less meaningful. Take this example from Nevada:
Walter Grimsley woke up Saturday morning and remembered he had an errand to run. He had to go vote.
The government retiree’s phone had been ringing every few hours with reminder calls from Democratic volunteers. Canvassing teams appeared at his door at least 10 times. At a voting booth set up next to the produce section of his neighborhood grocery store, Grimsley cast his ballot for Sen. Harry M. Reid and the rest of the Democratic ticket, just as he had always intended.
The Democrats are well positioned to push, pull, and drag all their voters to the polls in states with early voting, so how important is that enthusiasm gap? I think we’ll have to compare turnout in Ohio and Pennsylvania after the election and see how much it mattered. In fact, we’ll have to look at a lot of data:
Democrats across the country know they face a daunting enthusiasm gap that veteran politicians such as Reid can’t possibly overcome. What they can do is try to outperform their Republican opponents by taking advantage of the longer window to get folks to the polls.
Election analysts expect more people to cast early ballots this year than in any previous midterm election. A decade ago, early voting was an obscure practice allowed in just a handful of states. This year, the District and 32 states, including Maryland, allow some form of early voting.
So, I have also been wondering all year whether the polls are accounting for this wave of early voting. And early voting isn’t necessarily a complete positive for the Democrats. They saved money in September so that they’d be able to have more money than the Republicans in October (not including independent expenditures, of course), and that means a lot of people will have voted before being exposed to their messaging.
I am still uncertain what to expect on election day. I’ve been taught a lesson about doubting pollsters but, in this crazy environment, with so many factors at play, I do still doubt that they’ve got the electorate right. The one thing I feel confident in predicting is that the polls will continue to move the Democrats’ way. Some, like Rasmussen, have been about setting expectations, so they will move toward getting the elections right to maintain their credibility. The rest will merely pick up a reduction in the enthusiasm gap that is the natural result of Election Day approaching.
Well, polls are tricky indeed. For the primaries, I think only Al Giordano predicted more correct races than I did, and for the GE I predicted we’d win in every state we did except Missouri. And in my defense, we lost Missouri by 4,000 votes, or 0.14%. Part of me wanted to give us Montana, too, but I didn’t see it as enough to push over the win (and we lost it by a small margin of 2.25%). Or take the North Carolina primary. It was obvious Obama would win there, but did any polls predict his margin would be that high? I certainly didn’t, I expected something like 10-11 points over Clinton, not almost 15.
There’s a limit to how far you can trust polling data. Some of it is just knowing every area and region of the country. This is why I knew Coakley was going to lose before the bad polling started even coming in. She needed large turn-out in certain regions, and she NEVER GOTV there and was focused on rural areas of the country to win swing voters. Horrible move, and it showed in the results.
So it depends on the candidates themselves, and where they’re focusing.
Harry Reid has proven himself to be a far better politician than I had ever imagined. It wasn’t some sort of freak accident that Angle won the nomination. Not only did Reid dedicate a significant portion of his time and resources in making sure Dina Titus beat Jon Porter in 2008 (Porter would have been a VERY strong candidate if he could have run from his House seat), but his campaign spent millions of dollars attacking Sue Lowden in the Republican primary this year to make sure Angle won the nomination, knowing that his campaign had boatloads of research cooked up on her. He also has the best GOTV in the country. I get tired of people on the left saying that Angle “saved” Reid. BS. He saved himself.
Let’s just say that I do not think it’s going to be a bloodbath in the House, and I do not think the Senate will change very much.
What do you think of this?
I’m not making any predictions, but have been wondering if our sorry corporate media and the GOP have been working together to create a “landslide” atmosphere for the purpose of discouraging Democratic turnout. The Republicans are very good at feeding bullshit stories to the media, and if their lies are repeated often enough they begin to take on the air of truth. I’m allowing myself to be a little bit hopeful about these coming mid-term elections.
You need not wonder about if they are collaborating.
The President of the United States AND the First Lady are participating in a rally of over 30k in a battleground state – AND NOT ONE NETWORK COVERS IT LIVE ?
ON A WEEKEND?
you have to wonder if they’re in collaboration?
I raise you one:
GOPer Runyan Lists Dred Scott As Recent SCOTUS Decision He Disagrees With
So awesome. Bush v. Gore would be mine. And Citizens United would be in second place. Runyan couldn’t block Michael Strahan to save his life.
Seabe, do you have any specific predictions on the close races yet? Or the House-Senate party balances?
It’s still too far out to do that, I’m afraid. By the time Jon Stewart and Colbert’s rallies come around, we should have a pretty clear idea (unless of course their rallies serve as a huge GOTV).
Right now I have:
Connecticut (D)
Illinois (D)
West Virginia (D)
Kentucky (D)
Washington (D)
California (D)
Nevada (D)
Pennsylvania (D)
New Hampshire (R)
North Carolina (R)
Iowa (R)
Louisiana (R)
Colorado (Toss up)
Missouri (Toss up)
Wisconsin (Toss up)<– here’s a state where I don’t trust the data
Keep in mind that many of those D’s are so barely D that they could be in the toss-up area, too.
It’s going to be a nail-biter, but in the Senate, we could end up with more people in our caucus than we currently have.
The House? I haven’t inspected that like, at all. Too far out, too many races. Off the top of my head, I’m at around +30 (R).
I early voted a straight (D) ballot in NC already. I will be so sad if we’ve got a Burr stuck under our saddle for another six years.
North Carolina is one of those states where I don’t want to believe the polls either, but it’s still not enough for me to put it in toss-up. Hopefully the polls will start following my gut.
Wow, that is optimistic. Yet I too am feeling better than polls would indicate. Then again, I also thought Coakley would win in a squeaker…
Lowden did herself in with her chickens comment. And Angle has been a backbench state lawmaker for years. Basically the Nevada GOP has imploded.
That is as it should be. Polling doesn’t really contribute to democracy but to the ability to manage the funds with which you are buying politicians. All of the ActBlue fundraising that we have been doing has been to negate the effects of the DNC concentrating on incumbents and polling in allocation of resources. The same is true of GOTV; it is aimed at negating the influence of the media and its reporting of polling.
The “enthusiasm gap” always was nonsense; it was more about the inertia of some specific demographics than about enthusiasm about policy. And to some degree it was framing to obscure voter suppression efforts of students (Wisconsin), African-Americans (Houston and other places), and Latinos (Nevada). If voters were not expected to show up in numbers, it could be argued that that was the reason for underperformance, not voter suppression.
BTW, ThinkProgress has just released a leaked memo from Koch Industries that shows exactly who is allied with the Koch’s campaign to “take back America”. From NC, it is not surprising — Robin Hayes (who Larry Kissell defeated), Bob Luddy (whose current interest is a chain of private schools), and Art Pope (of Americans for Prosperity).
I tend to believe the D’s will perform a little better than currently projected, just because I have a hard time believing the experience, quality, and sanity of candidates means so little. That said…
One of my earliest political memories is of the weekend before the 1972 presidential election, when the McGovern campaign flooded the country with ads asking, “How could the polls have gotten it so wrong?,” and explaining (from the perspective of a future historian) why the polls were completely wrong and McGovern had won.
The polls were right, of course, and just about every election since then, as predictably as sunrise, the trailing candidate asks some version of the same question just before the election, as a way of keeping supporters on board and swing votes open-minded. And it almost always turns out that the polls are correct, no matter how much one party’s supporters would like to believe otherwise.
Just sayin’.
In 1972, the party establishment in a lot of states sandbagged the McGovern nomination in order to restore their privileged positions in the convention. This was implemented after 1972 with the creation of the superdelegates who played such and operatic role in the Clinton-Obama primary in 2008.
The entire polling thing turns on turnout. If the pollsters are wrong about turnout, the polls will be wrong. Specifically and exactly, if the Republican turnout is 50% and not 55% as predicted, things will be different.
Similarly with Democrats.
We are now seeing many Democrats moving up in the polls. Are they really moving up? How stupid are you? In many cases, there is NO MOVEMENT in political belief, but rather in turnout frame, and if this is wrong, there is a lot of bad polls going to come out.
What is more pernicious and more destructive is the Rasmussen model. I believe that he purposely skews his sample Republican when it is far out. That way, his polls can influence the narrative. He then gradually and slowly moves the turnout to be more in line with actual truth. He then gets to claim that he is accurate AS WELL AS having influence over the narrative in the formative period. It’s a prostitution of polling.
Absolutely. He’s just helping Republicans raise money and helping create some momentum for them. It’s not like he’s ever proven wrong, because he goes for accuracy in the last week of the campaign.
DCC just canceled ads in Philly, signaling Murphy may be cooked.
maybe he can get a job at verizon or AT&T: it’s the least they can do after he helped them get immunity for their lawbreaking.
A good question about Murphy. I have seen a Franklin & Marshall poll that had Fitzpatrick up double digits. A note this same poll had Fitz up by 6 just before the election in 2006. There are others showing Murph with a 3 pt lead. Can’t really get a handle on all that. I answered a robocall poll for Murphy, most people don’t bother to answer.
Most pollsters don’t actually walk neighborhoods and they usually don’t call cellphone only households.
A point about all this is ground game, ( disclaimer I volunteer for Murphy) we a really good thing in place for election day. Also, absentee ballots, we identified a ton of people who wouldn’t be voting election day and got them absentee ballots. The last race was settled by 1500 votes could be a huge difference.
Yeah, Murphy pissed me off for supporting the telecoms immunity provision in the last FISA thing. But, this is not an excuse, both parties conventions last year were essentially underwritten by the telecoms. The delegate goodie bad had big ATT and Verizon logos on it. They telecoms were smart and bought both sides off. So Now what?
Isn’t Murphy the guy who had the balls to quarterback the repeal of DADT through the house when no one thought it had a chance? If that’s who you’re speaking of, I could certainly forgive him for following the crowd on the telecom immunity thing.
Are you aware of any special organizing of colleges in your area by OFA? Here (Reno) they have done extensive work and Republicans have done none at all. OFA is determined to get those young voters out for the Dems and they are building permanent organizing groups on each campus.
“Isn’t Murphy the guy who had the balls to quarterback the repeal of DADT through the house when no one thought it had a chance? If that’s who you’re speaking of, I could certainly forgive him for following the crowd on the telecom immunity thing.”
It is, and i don’t.
Repealing DADT, while an admirable attack on dsicrimination, does not remedy the fact that the representative helped undermine our rights against undue search and seizure and our right to be left alone with out probable cause and due process. I make international calls every single day. All of them are recorded thanks to Murphy and his anti-civil liberties ilk.
new poll tonight shows Murphy up 3.
I believe the polls as a snapshot in time of when the poll was taken. Things change quickly as elections get closer and people start seeing sound bites of debates and all of the discussion at the water cooler turns to the election. And don’t forget all of the reminder calls and personal visits from your party to get off your butt and vote. We (Democrats) have the numbers to win if we can get enough of our people out to the polls. As Dems realize this, they suddenly get a little more enthused.
And I do believe that there has been a media narrative for a couple of months that “The Dems are just DOOMED I tell you.” It’s like Joe Scarborough and Mark Halperin fake-concern trolling all day and night. The polls have been reflecting that. They are changing as regular non-political folks start talking with friends and family about what they can do about it.
Wouldn’t it feel great to prove the pundits wrong (as we often do and never get credit for) and to see the agony in the faces of the Teabaggers when they FAIL MISERABLY (and accuse us of voter-fraud) after months of them dancing in the end-zone?
PA Gov race is tightening too.
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/10/onorato-within-2.html
SC Governor – Sheheen (D) – Haley (R)
Sheheen is five points behind Haley. I wonder if some diehard Gresham Barrett folks sit this one out.
Here’s the thing with Michigan: After the beating this state has taken over the last ten years, voters are justifiably angry with the people running the government. Granholm never lived up to the hype for most people, and didn’t do a particularly good job as governor. What has happened is not her fault, but it has seemed pretty clear for some time that the Dems would be unable to retain her office.
Knowing the next governor would be a Republican was a scary proposition because some of the GOP contenders were really, really bad.
But after the primaries, who was left standing? The most moderate Republican candidate–a guy from here in Ann Arbor that would be a Democrat in many districts, and the most liberal of the Democratic candidates.
The result is still likely to be a flip to the Repubicans, so the media will present it as evidence of a hard rightward shift by voters.
It’s not accurate.
I’ve come to terms with the fact that Snyder (R) will win, but I’ve looked at those primary results as an encouraging sign for the future ever since they were counted.