I’ve said this once before, but I think it is worth reiterating. I can’t imagine that most people can look at the landscape of turmoil in the Arab world and an ongoing nuclear and humanitarian crisis in Japan, and have much patience for another demonstration that our government here at home cannot function at the most basic level. Any government shutdown, for any reason, is going to really anger our citizens. And, obviously, the more petty the reasoning looks the worse it is going to be. Sen. Chuck Schumer is leading the messaging war for the Democrats and it comes down to labeling the Tea Party (freshman Republican class) as a bunch of extremists who Speaker Boehner is afraid to confront.
The message has the advantage of being true, for whatever that is worth these days. Brian Beutler reports that the House Republicans are making two rigid and unreasonable demands. The first is that the HR1 bill serve as the basis for any budget bill. The second is that all the cost savings in the budget come from non-defense discretionary funding. Ezra Klein expresses some puzzlement at the latter requirement:
Funny. I thought this debate had always been about the deficit, or at least cutting spending. Guess not. Rather, the Republican position appears to be: “How do we preserve current tax rates and most current spending while getting Democrats to accept deep cuts to the small fraction of the budget called non-defense discretionary spending?” It’s a weird position, but it looks to be what we’re dealing with.
Given this bargaining position, both Beutler and Klein agree that a government shutdown on April 8th is almost inevitable. Jonathan Chait has a good explanation for why the Republicans are being so inflexible. A new study of conservatives discovers that Tea Party-identifying conservatives think the president is destroying the country (71%) while non-Tea Party-identifying conservatives do not (6%). It’s really just a scientific way of documenting what Steven Thrasher said last September:
About 12:01 on the afternoon of January 20, 2009, the white American mind began to unravel.
It had been a pretty good run up to that point. The brains of white folks had been humming along cogently for near on 400 years on this continent, with little sign that any serious trouble was brewing. White people, after all, had managed to invent a spiffy new form of self-government so that all white men (and, eventually, women) could have a say in how white people were taxed and governed. White minds had also nearly universally occupied just about every branch of that government and, for more than two centuries, had kept sole possession of the leadership of its executive branch (whose parsonage, after all, is called the White House).
But when that streak was broken—and, for the first time, a non-white president accepted the oath of office—white America rapidly began to lose its grip.
As the study discovers, not only do a ridiculous percentage of conservatives (and, especially, Tea Party conservatives) doubt the president’s faith and citizenship, they tend to be more forthcoming about those doubts when talking to other whites.
Since we had such a high number of people saying that they either had no opinion on these questions, or didn’t know the answer, we checked to see if whether or not the perceived race of the interviewer (it’s a telephonic survey) affected the likelihood of offering a “no opinion” or “don’t know” response. It matters. If the interviewer was perceived as white, conservatives were less likely say “don’t know” or “no opinion” than if the interviewer was perceived as non-white. In the latter case, respondents were far more likely to opt for these options. We also found that conservatives were more likely to view President Obama as alien if they believed themselves to be interviewed by someone white than a non-white interviewer.
Which is another way of saying that these white people have lost their damn minds. Since 75% of Tea Party-identifying conservatives think the president’s policies are socialist and 76% of them want to see the president’s policies fail, they obviously have no interest in compromising on the budget. This isn’t a rational debate about the budget deficit and priorities. It’s a debate between people who have lost their damn minds and those who have not.
It doesn’t help that Speaker Boehner has a hand’s off style and is reportedly drunk by late afternoon. It looks like the government will get shut down, and it it looks like the Republicans will come off looking stupid, petty, radical, and obnoxious.
I guess I’m not worried.
How much support does Schumer have? All the House and Senate Dems need to be ready to be out there pushing the truth.
I’m not sure Obama needs to be out there (in that presidential involvement will rally conservatives against him) but he needs to not undermine Schumer when it happens.
Makes sense that the Rep’s are ADD. And Boehner’s 5 or 6 o’clock visits to bars says it all about his leadership. His rep says he’s going home to his childhood; the man does everything he can to evade leadership.
It is nice though to contrast Obama’s speech with Donald/Charlie Sheen/Trump’s crass me’isms.
Well, I’m worried. A lot of people will be hurt immediately by the effects of a government shutdown, no matter how brief; and the economic ripple effects will take months, if not longer, to overcome. The latter could easily work against Obama in 2012 even if the Dems win the immediate messaging war; but this isn’t just about politics. It’s also about peoples’ lives.
Is a shutdown a cheap price to pay for the chance to alert independents to the fact that one of our two major parties is grossly irresponsible and should be let nowhere near the levers of power? No, no, I do not think it is.
Unfortunately I don’t think there is a cheap price to pay for such a costly problem. No cheap price for how the Bush administration responded to 9/11 either.
If it causes a dip in employment then, yeah, it could come back to bite us, but politically speaking I am not very worried. I don’t welcome hardship for people, but the alternative is voting for that hardship.
It’s not if it’s a cheap price to pay, but if the price is cheaper than results of Republican gains in 2012.
No, no I do not think it is.
Actually Yes, yes I do think it is cheaper.
Whoops. -_-
The alternative is worse. The government shutdown will affect my family; my parent’s paychecks will stop coming because dad works for the DoD. But the problem is the Republicans know Obama. The president always gives up before they do. It’s why the conservatives had all of the leverage during health care — and why I pushed for the bill to be passed despite hating it. With the tax cuts I told the president to be willing to raise taxes on everyone if it meant ending them altogether; he didn’t listen. He never lets the hostages be shot; in health care that’s fine in my book because it moves the ball forward. Here it does no such thing. The Republicans smell blood in the water, and if he’s not willing to shut down the government, things will definitely get way worse.
at this point I am finding it hard to root for anyone.
Obviously, the republicans are riding for a fall, and i will be very happy if they do wind up ass-over-tea-kettle. they are evil, horrible people who deserve to be boiled alive in their own suet.
but I am not exactly happy with the democrats. I read Obama’s pretty speech last night (forgot to listen, not that i would have been more impressed), and all I keep coming back to is my friend’s comment:
This action makes those defense cuts more unlikely now, does it not? Or as Ice-Cube once said “you wanna save Africa/I stare atcha/ cus we ain’t got it too good in America.”
The Republicans are about to reject cuts proposed by the Democrats totalling $20 billion. On top of the previous round of cuts, doesn’t this add up to more than what the GOP demanded to begin with? When do the Democrats, who run the Senate and the White House tell Boner and his gang to go fuck themselves?
I’m not too worried about a government shutdown (although I AM preparing a care package for our neighbor who is dependent on food stamps and SS). The GOP will get the blame, and rightly so.
What I am more concerned about is that shutdown or not, our government isn’t working at all, unless you are a very wealthy person.
“When do the Democrats, who run the Senate and the White House tell Boner and his gang to go fuck themselves?”
My goodness! Why on earth would you even entertain the notion that the Democratic Leadership would ever deign to go against their slave-masters, the GOP?
Perish the thought. No Serious Democrat would ever actually do anything that might work against the GOP agenda!
Why did the Dems capitulate to the GOP back in Reagan’s day for, if not to act as if they are fighting the GOP, while they are actually controlled by them!
In order to gain any position of power in the Democratic Leadership you must swear mighty oaths to never actually challenge the GOP agenda. Just look at what happens to anyone that get’s too close without swearing eternal fealty to the GOP.
There are only about three or five actual Democrats in Congress, and they are kept far far away from any real power.
I’ve said for awhile that they are stupid or crazy and should be treated as such. what they shouldn’t be treated as is having any kind of serious matter.
yes, they will shut it down and I’m ready, and they are idiots.
I got another stupid anti-Obama email this morning, this time purporting to be his college roommate reporting birther, Muslim, socialist, conspiracy, yadda,yadda, yadda, etc., etc. Sick, bigoted bastards.
“… white America rapidly began to lose its grip.”
A reasonably sophisticated reader, sense of humor helpful though not required, would understand what Thrasher is saying here. But in many ways this meme is very misleading and, I believe, counterproductive.
First of all, Obama did better among white voters nationally than either Gore or Kerry did. Only in a few states of the deep south — Louisiana. Mississippi, Alabama — did Obama do considerably worse than Gore or Kerry among whites.
In New York and all New England states, in the northern midwestern states of MN, MI, WI, IL and IA, in the three west coast states of CA, OR and WA, and in Hawaii and DC, Obama won the majority of the white vote.
A significant part of this may be attributed to the fact that “class trumped race”. Well, the way the Republicans are going now, is that likely to happen again? With the class war the GOP have now clearly embarked upon, I would say it is even more likely.
It is the Homo “Sapiens” [sic] subsp. americanensis, var. albus meridionalis, whose range is mainly in the southern part of the US (though with outlying communities throughout the country), and especially in the Gulf States, that is “losing its grip” — not “white people” as such. In fact, as you seem to suggest, most Americans (of whatever color) observing this sorry spectacle, are even less likely to vote GOP.
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/11/obama_made_inroads_with_white.html
The truth is that Fox ‘News’ will lead the ‘liberal’ media in blaming the Democrats for not listening to the ‘will of the people’. All media will be blaming the Democrats for forcing the shutdown. The ‘liberal’ media has been blaming the Dems for the first 6 years of Bush II and the GOP’s careful creation of the Great Recession.
All negative economic news is automatically the Democrats fault. ‘Liberal’ media and Fox ‘News’ say so at the top of every hour.
Polls don’t matter, only Fox ‘News’.
No, they won’t.
All major American media are controlled by corporations that back the GOP. Amy Goodman doesn’t count. Every ‘liberal’ media outlet will excoriate the Democrats and laud the Republicans.
Fox ‘News’ has spoken: The Dems are to blame.