I wonder how Dick Durbin and Saxby Chambliss plan on convincing the House of Representatives to vote for tax increases as part of their deficit reduction plan. I mean, it’s nice that Chamblss (and apparently Tom Coburn and Mike Crapo, too) realizes that that they have to give on taxes in return for compromises on entitlements, but, unless I’m wrong, nearly every Republican in Congress has signed a pledge at some point not to raise taxes. For those Republicans for whom this isn’t an article of faith, there is still the matter of keeping their word.
The Gang of Six has been meeting at Sen. Mark Warner’s Northern Virginia home (which I envision as quite luxurious) for months now. The group, which also includes retiring Senate Budget Chairman Kent Conrad of North Dakota, has been trying to hammer out an agreement that can actually pass through Congress. Evidently, the three Republicans long ago conceded that any deal must include cuts in defense spending and higher taxes or it would have no chance of winning Democratic votes.
On the Democratic side, they conceded that cuts in the growth of Medicare and Medicaid will be necessary. But they’ve conceded, as well, that Social Security must get some kind of haircut or the deal won’t attract any Republicans. This is, of course, kind of obvious to any casual observer. But what’s not clear is that the Republicans would vote for higher taxes even in return for the elimination of Social Security and Medicare. They are so in the grip of their ideology that I don’t know how they can be enticed to break out. As for the Democrats, they will not touch Social Security unless there is a hell of deal dangling on the line. I don’t see the Republicans baiting their hook with “a hell of a deal.”
In theory, the three conservative Republican members of the Gang of Six could lend some political cover and even some credibility to any grand deal. I guess Dick Durbin is supposed to provide the same service on the other side of the aisle.
But I don’t see it happening.
An administration official recalled that in early 2010, when Mr. Durbin was named to Mr. Obama’s fiscal commission, another White House official told its co-chairmen, “You’ll never get Durbin’s vote.”
Nine months later, Mr. Durbin announced his support in The Chicago Tribune for the recommendations the chairmen had negotiated with members. “The question my closest political friends are asking is this: Why is a progressive like Dick Durbin voting for this deficit commission report?” he wrote. The answer: “Borrowing 40 cents out of every dollar we spend for missiles or food stamps is unsustainable.”
So, Mr. Durbin added, “when we engage in the critical decisions about our nation’s future budgets, I want progressive voices at the table to argue that we must protect the most vulnerable in our society and demand fairness in budget cuts.”
That has been his mantra with disappointed allies in labor, women’s groups and the Senate. Mr. Durbin, in the interview, cited a private meeting requested by Senator Bernie Sanders, independent of Vermont, a socialist and “a good friend.” Their exchange, Mr. Durbin said, captured the increasing difficulty in being a good progressive “at a time of limited resources.”
Mr. Sanders said he respected Mr. Durbin for his good intentions. “But I think the direction in which he is going in working with some of the most very conservative members of the Senate is not correct,” Mr. Sanders said.
Increasingly, it doesn’t appear that the two parties are operating in worlds that share the same physical properties. If we can’t agree that carbon in the atmosphere causes dangerous climate change, or that the study of biology is predicated on evolution, or that the study of geology is predicated on plate tectonics, then how can we agree that the Sun sets in the West, let alone on something as massive as a bill that cuts entitlements and raises taxes?
I think that is Bernie Sanders’s point. And, even though the New York Times twice reminds us that Bernie is a Socialist, he’s really just a progressive, like many other Democrats, especially in the House. I know I’d be willing to listen to a proposal. I just can’t imagine a proposal that would be acceptable to Tom Coburn being acceptable to me. That kind of compromise probably doesn’t exist.
We all take the NRA seriously because they deliver votes, and they get rid of opponents. If progressives want to be taken seriously, we need to be able to deliver votes and get rid of enemies. And enough with the “we all get along”. These fuckers are turds. We need to flush them, and call a turd a turd.
You are correct. The problem is groups like the DCCC. I forget to ever ask Boo what he thought of Democrats in PA and how they run their elections last November. What I mean is how effective did he think their commercials were and such. And I’d wager not very. There is a reason Sestak out-performed just about all other Democrats here last November. No one gives a crap about “good government.” Did Onorato think that was going to put him over the top against Corbett? It was a joke.
Deliver the votes is indeed the right strategy.
But…how many progressive votes are there in Dem districts with regressive troglodyte candidates?
And how many candidates want to run as progressives against troglodyte incumbents?
Until we are clear what the political geography of progressive voters is, we don’t where we can win without conducting a huge education campaign.
We’ve got to move beyond anger and brave words. And if we want traction in 2012, we must do it quickly.
The issue is that many of the regressive troglodytes were elected under false flags in 2010, and many can be and will be taken down. Even Ryan (WI-1) is vulnerable, to the right candidate, and to someone willing to go STRONG against him. If we cannot take out the chief architect of the Medicare Destruction Budget in a D+3 district, we might as well give up. Someone is up and running against him already. We need a full-out “scare the crap out of the seniors” campaign, because that will win. Plus WI is in the midst of a MAJOR amount of buyer’s remorse about the assholes at the state level.
Are we losing the message. It is not about increasing taxes, but about recinding the taxcuts, the tax breaks that Bush gave to the wealthy, his “have-more” constituency.
Can anyone make a reasonable argument for increasing the capital gains/dividends tax rate from 15% to only 20% as Obama suggested? If you work for your money, your rate of taxation can be over 30%; but if you make your money through investment, it is only half that.
In a study by Edward Wolff, a NYU economist published in 2002, the top 10 percent of earners owned 85% of the stock market, while the the rest of us, the remaining 90%, owned only 15% of the stock market.
I have the feeling that in any compromise with the GOP on taxation, taxcuts for the wealthy will remain intact, if slightly reduced. I don’t see how Medicare and other liberal-socialist programs can survive in the long run. Our yearly deficits and massive National Debt have been 30 years in the making, and until a real tax policy is passed by Congress, the GOP will have the upper hand and perhaps succeed in turning back our socialist democratic system.
well, no.
Actually, the Bush tax cuts are only part of it. There is also the cap on the amount of income susceptible to the FICA tax. Raising that cap has to be part of any Social Security deal, which is really what I was referring to.
There is another approach that I think might be good. Let’s steal an approach from the Repukes. Leave the current cap for the 13%. Put a donut hole in, allowing incomes from 110-250 to stay untaxed. Then put in a 2% tax on individuals and impose that ALL the way. No max on that 2%.
regardless, some additional revenue would have to be part of any deal.
I think MoveOn.org had a chart showing the Republican Spending Cuts on the Poor and the Tax cuts for the Rich. My opinion I think Dems. need to focus on Tax Cuts for the Rich and Remind them we never paid for two Wars started by the Republicans.
Off Subject..watching Meet the Press, does anyone listen to Allen Greenspan anymore??
To real alternative lies in the Progressive Caucus Budget Why this budget doesn’t get more play from Left is blind for the sake of argument.
huh? if whatever is on the table now is not doable amongst the Gang of Six what in the world makes you think they will look at the progressive budget? HALF that panel won’t even touch it.
I meant to reply mainsailset
Is the Gang of six going to prove divided gov’t does not work?
SS is supposed to be paid for by the donations of both the employer and the employee. I do not call that an entitlement. Medicare Part B is paid for by deducting $98 (or so) from each retirement check. And Medicare is the one who decides how much a procedure is worth.
The D and the R positions are not part of a Venn diagram. There is NO overlap.
The D’s have given a lot more than the R’s. Time to force the R’s to capitulate or at least give up more than the D’.
The Gang of Six is supposed to get something done?
Just like the healthcare Gang of Six. Right?