Sometimes, and it is usually a fleeting feeling, I can understand why conservatives consider most Europeans to be effeminate. I got that feeling when I read Tom Wright’s column in the Guardian which criticizes the United States for violating Pakistan’s sovereignty to kill Usama Bin-Laden. The meat of his piece is a thought experiment.
Consider the following scenario. A group of Irish republican terrorists carries out a bombing raid in London. People are killed and wounded. The group escapes, first to Ireland, then to the US, where they disappear into the sympathetic hinterland of a country where IRA leaders have in the past been welcomed at the White House. Britain cannot extradite them, because of the gross imbalance of the relevant treaty. So far, this seems plausible enough.
But now imagine that the British government, seeing the murderers escape justice, sends an aircraft carrier (always supposing we’ve still got any) to the Nova Scotia coast. From there, unannounced, two helicopters fly in under the radar to the Boston suburb where the terrorists are holed up. They carry out a daring raid, killing the (unarmed) leaders and making their escape. Westminster celebrates; Washington is furious.
What’s the difference between this and the recent events in Pakistan? Answer: American exceptionalism. America is subject to different rules to the rest of the world. By what right? Who says?
I could nitpick this scenario by complaining about his assertion that our SEALs didn’t come under fire, but I have a larger problem with it. Instead of a hypothetical, let me paint something much nearer to the truth.
Imagine a man has issued a religious ruling that includes the following:
We — with God’s help — call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God’s order to kill the [Britons] and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it. We also call on Muslim ulema, leaders, youths, and soldiers to launch the raid on Satan’s [U.K.] troops and the devil’s supporters allying with them, and to displace those who are behind them so that they may learn a lesson.
Imagine that shortly after issuing this religious ruling, followers of this man blew up two of the U.K.’s embassies in Africa with the following results: “In Nairobi, 212 people were killed, and an estimated 4,000 wounded; in Dar es Salaam, the attack killed at least 11 and wounded 85.”
Imagine that two years later, followers of this man attacked a U.K. warship docked in Yemen, killing seventeen British soldiers and wounding 39 more.
Imagine that one year after that, followers of this man flew airplanes into: Northwood Headquarters, the London Stock Exchange, a London skyscraper, and attempted to hit the Palace of Westminster while parliament was in session. Imagine that these attacks killed 2,996 people and caused billions of dollars of damage.
Imagine that there was plenty of evidence of Pakistani involvement and complicity in these attacks. Imagine that your foreign secretary told the leader of Pakistan that they had a choice. Either they cooperate in helping hunt down the man whose followers had carried out these attacks or they would be “bombed into the Stone Age.”
Now imagine that Pakistan pretended to help the British for a full decade but it was discovered that they were almost certainly harboring this man in relative comfort in a compound not 1000 yards from their equivalent of Sandhurst.
It seems to me that the question isn’t so much whether Britain would be justified in violating Pakistan’s sovereignty but whether they would be justified in making good on their promise to return Pakistan to the Stone Age.
We have good reasons not to act so rashly, including good old-fashioned humanitarian reasons. But we would have a decent argument for obliterating Pakistan as a lesson to anyone else who would consider aiding and abetting attacks on our embassies, warships, military headquarters, financial centers, and government buildings. That doesn’t make us exceptional. If you ask me, we have been showing remarkable and exemplary restraint. We’ve shown a bit of wisdom in tamping down our legitimate feelings of betrayal.
Considering what we’ve suffered and how badly our country has gone astray in reaction to the 9/11 attacks, we don’t need to listen to lectures about how we would react if the tables were turned. If we harbored a fugitive under Wright’s scenario, we would deserve it if the U.K. took matters into their own hands. And if we didn’t like it, too bad. It’s not like we’d go to war with London over it.
There are other areas where America can be rightly criticized for double standards, hypocrisy, and acting a bit rogue and loose with international law. The killing of bin-Laden is not one of them.
We should not be surprised that Pakistan played us for fools. President (General) Musharraf admitted that he only decided to cooperate in the hunt for bin-Laden and the crushing of the Taliban after he war-gamed it.
He didn’t want to cooperate. He was compelled to cooperate.
I am not a European. But I would be very proud to be considered the equal of any woman, and therefore your allusion to effeminacy is a compliment rather than an insult.
There is a gigantic non sequitur in your post and your thinking, and that is that the 11 September 2001 attackers and their support network were connected with Saudi Arabia, not Pakistan. If you think hijacker/murderers emerging from a particular country justify invading that country, then even then you’ve got it totally wrong.
Nothing about 11 September 2001 justified the US illegally invading Pakistan and killing somebody suspected of involvement in the crimes that were committed that day in New York and Washington.
Believe me, the US is going to be criticised for killing Osama Bin Laden. Because this illegal action most certainly involved double standards, hypocrisy, and violation of international law by the United States.
Nothing about 11 September 2001 justified . . .
Wrong. Specific legal justification was embodied in the AUMF, enacted on September 18, 2001.
Right, and this is the key:
President Obama is authorized to go to war with Pakistan provided that he can make a credible finding that Pakistan knew where bin-Laden was.
I thought the issue at hand was whether there was a general moral or international legal justification for a lethal raid on another country (Britian vs. IRA in USA).
The point about AUMF is equivalent to saying “Parliament said it was okay to kill IRA members in the US, so it’s OK!”
Citing an agreement with Pakistan, or international law, or a UN resolution, would be much more persuasive.
Actually, his point is that we do things that others cannot or simply choose not to do because we consider ourselves exceptional, above the law, above the norms of the international community.
And while that may be true in a general sense, as it applies to bin-Laden it is simple bullshit. Any nation with the capability to do so would go get bin-Laden if the nation hosting him spent 10 years pretending he wasn’t there after agreeing to cooperate in his capture.
Maybe some nations would put in an effort to capture him alive, but they only reason not to get him is an inability to do so.
I would first of all point out the Congress authorized the action, so it was legal here in the United States.
It is not as if we could go to the United Nations and say, “hey, can we get permission to violate Pakistan’s sovereignty? Here’s why we are justified in doing it.”
The U.N. did pass United Nations Security Council Resolution 1373, and Pakistan was rather clearly violating many of its provisions. Mainly these:
Moreover, I cited our agreement with President Musharraf, who agreed to help us find bin-Laden and to hunt down anyone who was involved in al-Qaeda.
If it is illegal to violate someone’s sovereignty, it is also illegal to harbor terrorists.
The only way this could have been considered an air-tight legal action under international law is if the U.N. had authorized some entity to enforce its anti-terrorism provisions.
Guess who that would have been?
I don’t mean to insult women or effeminate men. I mean that the Republicans’ criticism that the Europeans are tilted away from the masculine sometimes has fleeting saliency with me when I see columns like this or certain comments on television.
More to the point, the killing of bin-Laden was legal under U.S. law.
It was possibly illegal under international law, but that ignores that he was being harbored.
Finally, Pakistan was every bit as involved in 9/11 as the Saudis, and probably quite more so.
OBL had admitted to his part in the 9/11 attacks.
That the US violated Pakistan’s sovereignty is not really in doubt. Yes, there is a double standard and some hypocrisy involved.
Yet, it makes perfect sense to me why a covert action was necessary. The Pakistanis could not be trusted.
Legal or illegal, most Americans and I’d wager most everyone else are perfectly comfortable with OBL’s death and the manner in which he died. I’m not going to lose much sleep over it. At the end of the day, the world is a much better place without him in it.
Somehow I doubt Pakistan will be bringing a case against the US.
What the US did was legal. The SEALS are not law breakers by any means and shouldn’t be insulted by people who know nothing about international law.
We are being lectured because we got Bin Laden and no one else did.
This puts a book end on 9/11 and that must be resented by the Brit writer.
The Republicans are at a loss now that they have lost this issue. They have to find something else.
Probably Pakistani gov also upset because we bypassed the info leak in Pakistan – one reason for all the name calling about violating Pakistan’s sovereignty, it appears they were harboring bin Laden while taking our $$. Not surprised that the Pakistani people are upset – either their gov was knowingly harboring Bin Ladin or their security is incompetent, not to mention that the SEALS got through and completed their mission.
You’ve definitely overstepped here.
It’s a decent argument for taking the action that was taken, whether or not I’m personally persuaded by the argument. It is not a decent argument for obliterating an entire country, most residents of which had no knowledge of the behavior of the relevant nor any meaningful power to change that behavior even if they knew. Especially given that the US has helped enable some of that ignorance and powerlessness.
You rhetorical flourish turned it into an highly indecent argument.
I agree with you.
It’s over the top.
I tried to balance it by saying that we have humanitarian reasons for not doing it.
What I meant to convey is that we would be within our rights and Congress has actually approved going to war with Pakistan over this (provided it can be proven that Pakistani officials knew of UBL’s whereabouts).
My point is that we showed a lot of restraint, and we’re getting nitpicked over an action that spared civilian lives.
Booman, you said, “Considering what we’ve suffered and how badly our country has gone astray in reaction to the 9/11 attacks, we don’t need to listen to lectures about how we would react if the tables were turned.”
actually, I would suggest Considering what we’ve suffered and how badly our country has gone astray in reaction to the 9/11 attacks, we DO need to consider to how we would react if the tables were turned.
Yeah. We should in some respects. Just not on this issue. If the tables were turned, we wouldn’t have a leg to stand on.
Wright is right that the USA would go absolutely ballistic if anyone sent an armed force into the USA to kill people who had committed terrorism on their soil. Think IRA, think the various Latin American dictators and torturers and their entourages which the USA has harboured on its soil.
Equally I wouldn’t expect the US to inform or seek the permission of the Pakistani Government to launch a raid if it had grounds for suspicious that that information would get get into the wrong hands.
However wouldn’t it have bee so much better if Bin Laden had been captured and tried as a war criminal – ideally in New York – but even in the Hague if that was not possible? Is there any evidence that that was the primary objective of the exercise?
Paradoxically, the assassination has helped to legitimise Bin Laden as a war leader rather than the criminal he was and should have been treated as.
This actually happened in our country with even less justification. Wiki:
How ballistic did we go?
Killing socialists is ok in the USA. After all, it was the US which overthrew Allende’s Government in the first place. However if the Bush/Cheny/Rumsfeld war crimes gang had been targeted…
Yes, well, you’re right that killing socialists is okay in America, especially when Henry Kissinger is in charge.
But, a foreign intelligence agency came on to our turf, blew up a car in downtown Washington DC that killed a U.S. citizen and a refugee from Chile. And we didn’t go ballistic. We took them to court.
It’s a little different that invading our air space, but the principles involved are the same.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the US administration colluded in Letelier’s murder – it just outsourced the wet work to an ally. Letelier in Washington in the employ of libruls was an embarrassment to Kissenger et al.
The USA was involved, but not the sole actor in the Allende overthrow (the original Sept 11), and there were – and still are- plenty of Pinochet supporters in Chile.
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My diary – Order to Kill Was Legitimate According to U.S. Law
No Arab or Islamic nation will lose sleep over Osama’s demise. Just some small protests have been witnessed and hardly mentioned in the media. See Pakistan’s newspaper Dawn:
"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
From Bob Woodward’s account: