I stopped reading his diaries and I found his show on MSNBC to be unwatchable, but I’m still somewhat amazed that Cenk Uygur lost his 6pm slot to Al Sharpton. In Mr. Uygur’s telling, he was offered a weekend slot but turned it down because he thought MSNBC president Phil Griffin was succumbing to White House pressure in demoting him.
Mr. Uygur, who by most accounts was well liked within MSNBC, said in an interview that he turned down the new contract because he felt Mr. Griffin had been the recipient of political pressure. In April, he said, Mr. Griffin “called me into his office and said that he’d been talking to people in Washington, and that they did not like my tone.” He said he guessed Mr. Griffin was referring to White House officials, though he had no evidence for the assertion. He also said that Mr. Griffin said the channel was part of the “establishment,” and “that you need to act like it.”
MSNBC is home to many hosts who criticize President Obama and other Democrats from a progressive point of view, but at times Mr. Uygur could be especially harsh.
The problem with Uygur’s analysis is that it always ascribes bad faith to the president and it never takes an honest accounting of the limitations Congress puts on the president’s ability to act. He’s just smart enough to understand the issues and the political landscape, and to realize that being outraged is a sensible reaction to the deficiencies and greed in our system. But he’s not smart enough to figure out how to properly apportion blame.
He reminds me of a bright 16-year old who thinks he’s got everything figured out but who really doesn’t know shit about how the world works. He has the self-confidence to be aggressively and arrogantly wrong, and the audience for that isn’t that large.
Now, I grew up in the New York media market in the 1980’s, and I lived through the whole Tawana Brawley fiasco. That incident pretty much destroyed Al Sharpton’s credibility. He became a pinata that the Republicans attacked with glee. He’s made a long climb back to get to the point that the Establishment prefers him to a guy like Cenk. Personally, I think there have to be ten, twenty, or thirty black people in the media world who would be better at doing a cable newsertainment show than Al Sharpton. I like Al. I think he’s funny. And he’s extremely smart. But I’m tired of his act and someone else deserves a chance. I have my problems with Rachel Maddow, but she does something most of these other hosts don’t do, which is to try to educate her viewers about issues they might not understand in depth. She rarely misinforms her viewers, and doesn’t create a format for people to yell at each other. That’s a better model than you get from Cenk Uygur or Al Sharpton.
I couldn’t agree more, both with your assessment of Uygur’s style and your comments on Sharpton.
Oh for pity’s sake can’t anyone in the blogosphere do independent research? Cenk’s ratings were horrid. When Al Sharpton started subbing for Cenk, the ratings shot up and continued to go up. That’s the reason Cenk got fired. His ratings sucked and his temporary replacement brought the ratings back-up.
MSNBC offered to make Cenk a contributor and give him an alternate time slot. If they hated the guy, they wouldn’t have made that offer.
I suspect that MSNBC offered to make him a Contributor and (maybe) give him a weekend show just to get him under a contract so he couldn’t go out and bad-mouth them like he is now doing after getting fired. As long as someone’s under contract there, they can’t speak of MSNBC’s internal politics or risk losing the paychecks. Even if MSNBC fired him the next day, he’d still get his paychecks for the length of the contract as long as he kept his mouth shut.
Actually his ratings were excellent. In the time slot he was able to beat CNN & Fox which was no small feat.
After he received his first talk from MSNBC to dial back he did the opposite which made the ratings go even higher.
He often beat out CNN (Wolf Blitzer) in the prime demo (age 25-54) but never beat Fox. His example of beating Fox is is a younger demo (18-36 I think.) And even that was rare. Except in very rare situations, Fox always leads the ratings in both the prime demo and always beats everyone in total audience becasue of all the conservative old farts who sit around watching it all day and night. But none of the cable news channels beats any of the Nightly News broadcasts on the broadcast networks.
I don’t dislike Cenk but I didn’t love his show. There are so many better potential hosts to choose from. For example, Chris Hayes is getting his own show soon. And they’ve been testing Ezra Klein out as a fill-in host lately. I’m not loving Al Sharpton as a host because he’s not very good at the Live TV/teleprompter thing yet, but he will probably get better at it.
I’m of the same mind, was just pushing back that his ratings were in the toilet.
No, his ratings were not excellent. When substituting for Cenk, Sharpton consistently beat his ratings. Also, Cenk’s ratings were continuing to fall and Sharpton’s are rising.
We’re both in complete agreement on this. Cenk’s analysis is and was pretty horrible, and I also found him unwatchable. Though I find everyone on cable news unwatchable, including Olbermann; Maddow is the exception, but even she grates me as a TV personality sometimes.
You know who’s really horrible at radio but might (big might, as he might follow Cenk’s style) be good on TV? Sam Seder.
And you still cling to the naive belief that the media has any real independence whatsoever!!!???
Wake the fuck up!!!
Cenk Uygur? Wouldn’t know him from Lady Gaga’s costume designer. I haven’t turned on MSNBC since Keith O. graduated to mainstream election spieler alongside that lisping Tweety Bird look, think and sound-alike Chris Matthews. It’s all bullshit. Al Sharpton? Maybe he’ll ask his long-time business ally Don King in for some advice on how to (legally) fix a fight/election. (Hint hint? Give the intended winner a total mismatch. Like…oooohhh, like Bachman or McCain/Palin against Obama.)
And y’all are still paying attention to this shit?
Unbelievable!
AG
I knew that quote would be catnip for you.
And the media is heroin to you.
I’ll take the catnip, thank you.
AG
Sam doesn’t really translate well on msnbc. He’s sub’d on Hardball & Last Word and pretty much flatlined. The one that was good was Ezra Klein.
Oh really? Well there goes that thought. I always thought his Bullshit series was good, but I’ve hated his podcast. He’s just boring…
You know who I would absolutely love to see get a show? Ari Melber. Not only is he extremely handsome, but he super-quick to rebut in a debate situation. He’s one of the best I’ve seen in defending liberal/progressive values. And did I mention he’s really cute, too? Oh I guess I did.
He’s subbed a couple of times too and I don’t know if it’s the fear factor of actually running the whole show or what, but he really toned it down. I guess I should stop being a crank as I don’t like Ed cause he’s too, well, animated…but others too calm.
I read somewhere that the “people in Washington” that Griffin talked to were MSNBC bookers who couldn’t get good guests to appear on Cenk’s show because he would shout at them and call them liars if he didn’t like what they had to say.
BTW: he’ll be on Olbermann’s show on Current tonight, no doubt to bitch about MSNBC. Keith will just sit there, not saying a word or risk violating his contract with MSNBC, and let Cenk rant like he did with Markos on his first show.
Oh, yeah, Rachel’s on another level. There’s nobody on cable, on the networks, or even PBS who touches her in her field. It’s almost not fair to compare Cenk or Sharpton or, well, anyone to her. It’s like she’s doing a different job.
I liked Cenk all right. He’s better than Ed.
I don’t care one way or another but I don’t get the Cenk hate. To echo one of the others here, the bookers hated Cenk. Why? Because he would not hesitate to call politicians the hookers and gigolos they are.
The problem with Uygur’s analysis is that it always ascribes bad faith to the president and it never takes an honest accounting of the limitations Congress puts on the president’s ability to act.
What hasn’t the President gotten that he really, really wanted? Nothing, is what.
Here’s more on Cenk leaving MSNBC including a 2-part video of Cenk explaining it from his point of view.
OT:
Boo:
Is Penny Pritzker going to be Wanker of the Day? Hate to be the one to say it, but it reflects bad on the President that she’s his finance chair. He sure knows how to choose them. Her, Bob Rubin, Pete Peterson, “Turbo Tax” Timmeh.
I can watch Rev. Al, cause he calls folks on their mess.
Cenk had a ‘how can I bash President Obama today’ show, which I found unwatchable.
I’m glad Rev. Al got the gig. It’s about time there’s someone who is pro-POTUS got a show.
“newsertainment”
Yep. For folks who can’t take their political entertainment straight up.
My two newsertainment vices: Stewart and Colbert
Colbert’s SuperPAC shtick has educated more people about DC corruption than Uygur’s rants. If you saw a recent one, you saw that an honest government advocate couldn’t be bribed with kittens or extorted with the threat to kill them after she refused to be bribed. Pure hilarity. But the pro-Citizens United guy thought that any expenditure was legitimate for a SuperPAC.
And Stewart deserves and Emmy, a Peabody, and a Pulitzer for his interview this week of Pervez Musharraf. Purely for its entertainment value.
I am very thankful for good streaming technology. Paying for cable is a waste of money. And another way of subsidizing the rightwing.
BTW, some keywords seem to have brought up an ad for James O’Keefe’s latest liar video. Was that “Cenk” or “Sharpton”.
Meanwhile, FDL was pushing Mitt Romney’s candidacy in their Google ads. Seems like a fucked up algorithm. I hope you’re making a little something off the ads.
What specifically? My only issue with Rachel is when the self-righteous activist part of her persona occasionally obscures the reality of a situation. Other than that I find her show to be the highest quality.
She has her negative moments as you describe. Sometimes she gets a little preachy too. But every time I watch her show, I leave understanding some issue so much better. She really goes out of her way to break down an issue and really educate the audience about whatever it is today where so many others just gloss over those details. Probably because no one at regular news shows bothers to really study any issues. They just repeat what they learned in the NYT or WaPo or some blog on the subject, trying to make it look like they did the footwork.
Al Sharpton, race hustler, inciter of violence, libeler, and evader of justice, is now on MSNBC as a regular? Count me out. I don’t care if his transgression were in the past, he’s a shit.
For years Fox News has been happy to have him on as a guest to be the “face” of progressives, for obvious reasons. And now liberals are fine with him having a regular gig in a high profile arena? That’s insane.