I was surprised tonight by the president’s demeanor. It wasn’t what I wanted or expected. If I were him, I’d be very pissed off with Boehner’s shenanigans that are now threatening the health of the country’s economy. But I guess I was forgetting that this wasn’t a press conference. It was a national address that interrupted people’s normal viewing habits. He was trying to talk to the classic low-information voter, not the people who spend all day watching cable news. Nevertheless, the president’s speech left me angry. I wanted an explicit veto threat and I wanted him to scold Boehner ferociously for his irresponsibility. It’s not enough to be reasonable. We need a bill for the president to sign. Boehner’s bill cannot pass in its present form, and the president already told Cantor not to try to call his bluff about vetoing it. We’re wasting precious time.
Instead of following my brilliant advice, the president instead asked people to call their representatives in Washington, as if the Republicans give a shit about their constituents. Obama did succeed in overwhelming the congressional telephone system, so that’s something (if you want to contact your representative go here). But I don’t think his performance tonight was strong or adequate.
Evidence for this is that John Boehner responded with a bellicose and dishonest speech that showed no sign of give whatsoever. It wasn’t a good speech, and it is now clear that Boehner did not relish “going mano-a-mano with the president of the United States“. In fact, his entire presentation was undermined when CNN reported just before Boehner went live that the credit rating agencies would downgrade the US rating if Congress settled for Boehner’s shitty plan.
Minutes before House Speaker John Boehner delivered a prime-time address in which he framed his latest deficit-reduction deal as a silver bullet for the nation’s economic uncertainty, reports surfaced that the plan being crafted by the Ohio Republican would potentially lead to a downgrading of the United State’s AAA credit rating.
In an address that immediately followed the president’s own, Boehner argued that if the president were to merely sign into law his latest deficit-reduction bill — which slashes more than a trillion dollars in spending before requiring a second tranche of cuts and a second vote — “the ‘crisis’ atmosphere he has created will simply disappear.”
It was a fairly bold selling of a plan that — in terms of both the size of cuts and structural reforms — fell far short of what the Speaker had been negotiating with the White House prior to those negotiations ending this weekend. It also was delivered with an unfortunate backdrop. Just minutes before Boehner spoke, CNN’s Erin Burnett relayed word from her sources on Wall Street that the newest Republican plan would not satisfy the credit rating agencies, which have soured on the idea of a short-term solution to the debt ceiling debate. Rather, it was Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s approach (padded by counting the savings from the drawdown of troops from Afghanistan and Iraq) that would calm their nerves.
So, Boehner was essentially left holding his dick in his hand. But he went through the motions and tried to explain to the American people why his plan, which will kill our credit rating, would actually calm the markets and get companies investing and expanding again. Did I mention that I’ve been very angry this evening?
As for the promise of a veto, I did find it well hidden in the president’s remarks.
Either way, I’ve told leaders of both parties that they must come up with a fair compromise in the next few days that can pass both houses of Congress -– and a compromise that I can sign. I’m confident we can reach this compromise. Despite our disagreements, Republican leaders and I have found common ground before. And I believe that enough members of both parties will ultimately put politics aside and help us make progress.
What he didn’t do is tell the American people plainly what he will not sign. That, really, is what made me so mad.
But, hey, I’m calm now. I’ll probably stay calm until the next time I have to listen to some Republican ask me to believe six impossible things before breakfast.
I’d have been impressed if I thought citizens swamping their representatives would have even 0.1% chance of scaring the Republicans into not blowing it all up. But what’s the point?
Even if the Senate comes up with a plan in the next 48 hours, unless they arrest Mike Lee, Rand Paul and Jim Demint and chuck them in a black site until August, I don’t even think the body can pass anything in time. And the House is even worse.
Damn it all.
Joe, I’m not sure anything will scare the Republicans into not blowing it all up. That’s been fairly clear for a while now. So what’s the point? The point is that Obama is redirecting the negative republican energy in a judo maneuver to make sure that they blow THEMSELVES up. And this they are doing. Meanwhile, as president, he is not ALLOWED, but REQUIRED, to save the country, especially when these clowns are actually violating their oaths of office. The purpose of last night’s speech was to bring the public up to speed. I think he carried it off well, but we shall see.
Yup. As the hubby said, it’s a demonstration, not an argument.
Those teabagging idiots aren’t changing their minds. President Obama knows that.
And so will the “reasonable” people who are only now paying attention.
Imagine a low information voter who get up the choots-paw to call their Republican rep. And gets the normal cold shoulder treatment everyone calling a Republican rep for anything but “constituent services” gets. Now imagine that same person in the voting booth in November 2012.
Cold shoulder nothing – try active aggression against the voter by the rep’s staff.
I know what they’re like when I call and am polite but suggesting that they do something against tea party interest at my rep’s office. I can only think of what happens when an “indepedent” calls and doesn’t dance on eggshells like I try to do to make sure the staffer takes me seriously instead of hanging up on me. I’ve been yelled at by staffers before for saying innocuous things because they assume if I’m not 100% with them then I’m not voting for him and so I can be ignored (and like I said – sometimes abused). I wonder if they’ll be pulling that shit this week.
Honestly I feel like calling up his office and starting the phone call out with a big “Why Does Steve Stivers Hate America And Want To See It Fail?” but that’s because I’m a dick.
LOL
But you’re not a naive, low-information voter. Imagine their response. Would love a YouTube of a low-information voter in a Teahadist Congressman’s office. The disorientation on both sides would be instructive.
Now I think I realize why I had a “meh…” feeling after hearing it. Unlike you, I didn’t come away angry, just more like “Wtf happened?” More confused than angry.
His demeanor…that was precisely it. Several times during the entire speech he flubbed it (read maybe 3 words ahead) and it sounded weird. Other times it couldn’t have been more robotic. I suck at using teleprompters (I’ve only used one once, and I didn’t practice), but man…it didn’t come off right at points.
Mike Lee made me angry today after his nice presentation on Tweety today. Never thought I’d be surprised as to what these lunatics admit and openly announce on national television, but I guess I should stop being surprised by them.
To the average American who NEVER watches cable news he did a great job and really educated them about something that they don’t understand and have no educated opinion on.
To us, we may have wanted more.
I love how he used the Reagan quotes on the same subject. Reagan-loving Americans may now realize how far off the tracks his party has become.
Well I know it wasn’t aimed at me. I meant more his style than the substance. As Booman said, his demeanor.
That’s what the Cable Pundits said, too.
But this message was not for them. It was for the “independent” or “undecided voter” who is just now being FORCED to pay attention to this issue because they hate politics and only tune in at the last minute and pick whoever they think is most likely to win because they don’t like to vote for losers.
Seriously. Relax and wait until he gets them caught up to speed on this issue that he needs them to get involved in. The next big announcement will likely be more impressive to us. He’s an organizer. He can work this. Have a little faith.
Lol, I am calm. I just said my reaction was a big “Meh…now what?” I didn’t say, “Omfg what a terrible speech. Boehner kicked the shit out of him.”
It’s okay. I am not criticizing you. Just wait and see. He’s got a plan. I saw an interview with David PLouffe last night and the look in his eyes (wink wink) convinced me that they absolutely knew what they were doing.
Who said recently around here that those planning a rope-a-dope don’t announce their intentions, or something like that? That’s what’s happening here.
So have a little discretion when reading Digby, Krugman, Hamsher, etc. They try to evaluate word for word as though politicians should announce all of their intentions before they carry out their plans. Rope-a-dope don’t work that way.
Long gold, long swiss franc…enough said…
Who can afford Gold at $1610 per ounce? It may be a little overpriced at this point. This is a result of paranoia.
Once this debt debate is over and we are ready to address things like jobs and investment in American infrastructure it will likely come down quite a bit… maybe a few hundred per ounce.
Careful there. Don’t listen to Glenn Beck. Gold is WAY overpriced.
You do realize it’s been on an upward swing ever since W took office? It’s certainly not coming down while we have a shitty economy, and we do presently have one.
Unlike you guys, I had a reasonably positive reaction to Obama’s speech. I thought he explained things well, with a good balance of We Should All Try to Compromise and It’s All The Republican’s Fault. Saying that people are “offended by Washington, and should be” is pretty strong. I don’t see the advantage of an explicit veto threat.
Since Boehner seems determined to take the country over the cliff, I expect we’ll get another speech in about a week, in which Obama explains why he is invoking the 14th amendment.
You corporatist Obot!
I agree — I think the same thing, rae. Once the markets tank and the Republicans do nothing, the 14th amendment option will be the only way out.
However, I thought he should have announced it tonight.
A very high percentage of Americans still don’t understand the issue well enough for the angry black man to make threats to the congress and sound like a dictator yet.
That’s why tonight’s speech was so calm and cool and at 9 PM Eastern / 6 PM Pacific. Everyone who normally watches TV saw it and should now understand the issue.
Next week they will be not be so shocked if he threatens congress to get their shit together or he’ll do invoke his 14th Amendment responsibilities.
He doesn’t invoke anything. He just says that the 14th amendment requires him not to default. And that here’s what we are going to do.
He needs to emphasize that the 14th amendment applied to both him and Congress. And leave folks to draw their own conclusions about fault.
But to “invoke the 14th amendment” as if that gave him some special power over Congress would be a huge mistake and set up the scary black dictator meme.
The situation is that Congress has given him two sets of instructions, and the Constitution requires that he not default. The Congress through its tax laws has set the limits on the revenues that come in. The Congress through its appropriations has demanded that certain funds be spent. It is Congress that has set up the deficit. But Congress has also instructed him not to borrow to cover the costs of what it has already authorized.
I thought the President set the table for this understanding subtly but quite well last night.
Wording. Just wording. I stand corrected. But the general point is the same, right?
I don’t think the SCOTUS would agree with you.
The original intent of that part of the 14th Amendment was just to calm foreign investors and holders of the Union’s debt. A majority of the Court, and perhaps no one on the Court, is likely to find that that clause limits Congress’s power to default on debt if it wants to.
typo.
The majority will NOT find that.
I was just this morning speaking with someone who watched the speech last night. She hadn’t heard anything at all about the debt ceiling before last night. She was asking me questions about it.
She really appreciated the speech, thought the President was being reasonable and couldn’t understand why the Republicans were objecting. She also is now really scared because she depends on her survivor’s benefit to support herself and her children.
I think that those of us who are following the issues carefully forget that there are so many who are not listening to these speeches with the same background information.
You got it. He was bringing the ignorant “independent voters,” who don’t pay attention to politics until 2 weeks before any election, up to speed on an important issue that they need to know about – right now – before it’s too late.
Expect another prime time address at the last minute where he says what he’s gonna do about the lack of progress from the Republicans. They should support his wise stewardship of the American economy and trust his leadership, regardless of what they thought of him in the past because he educated them tonight about something that they really didn’t understand preciously – and really affects their daily lives. He did a good job of that tonight. He made it personal.
“previously” not “preciously”
Big difference. Fat fingers. And spell-check accepts either word. Frustrating.
i liked that last line too. but he sounded like someone’s disappointed dad, not an angry president.
boner sounded like a drunk tom brokaw. did he look drunks? i listened on the radio
He didn’t look good. The whole thing looked like he was a 21st century Jefferson Davis–trying to look like he was a competing president and not pulling it off.
Next time he tries his hand at being pretend-president, hire a makeup artist.
He looked like he needed to burp as was trying to follow the teleprompter. And he could have used a proper make-up job because he was sweating for another martini.
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"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
This whole thing has played out quite strangely. It’s as if everybody in the room has sold their souls to the devil, and he’s decided to come collecting all at once. Nobody is making the right moves. Everything’s gone pear-shaped, as the fighter jocks say.
And day to day life goes on normally (for now…)
I guess I’m still willing to believe it’s possible that Obama pulls out a last minute Constitutional maneuver, but I doubt it. The thing is, the establishment would thank him, turn around and light him up like a Christmas tree. He’d be impeached inside a week and the WaPo and NYT would tut-tut, FOX news would explode and CNN would get caught up in the vortex of the minutiae.
Now we’re really in it. The Republicans have played the whole thing out like a hostage scenario (only with a time-bomb for a dramatic twist). Now they’re in the situation where they have to blow up the bomb, and I don’t know how they get out of it.
So, Boo, where did all the Kabuki go? When is that endgame we keep hearing about going to commence? All I heard tonight was the (perhaps exquisitely calibrated, undetectable, escalation of) same old drone, same old fantasy about “one nation”, same old “enough blame to go around”.
It was a focus-group speech, calculated to play into the shallowest prejudices of the least informed. It was a living self-contradiction: an announcement of a crisis delivered by a leader who has nothing to offer except shock and hurt at being left at the altar yet again. The Kabuki is in real danger of becoming a comic soap opera.
You’re right. And it’s the first of such speeches to be done at 9 PM on all networks. Many of the viewers may not have wanted to see it instead of their favorite 9 PM show, but they got an education. Now everyone is on the same page.
Next week, if this is not resolved to Obama’s satisfaction, he’ll address them again I’m sure. He will probably make an ultimatum to Congress at that point. “Either do this my way or I will just follow the 14th Amendment and eliminate this Debt Limit” that is incompatible with the constitution.
He couldn’t do something like that until he educated the (normally ignorant) public. Remember too that once they get through this round, and they WILL do it on time, Washington will shut down for the month of August as they always do. Everyone’s got their plans and they’re not going to want to change them. And those plans usually involve Town Hall Meetings in their districts. Expect uncooperative Teabagger members to get an earful from their constituents. Just like Dems got last time over “Death Panels.”
BTW, if you live in a Republican-represented district and own a camcorder, GO TO THE TOWN HALL MEETING and record it as best you can. Upload the good parts to YouTube and to cable news channels’ upload pages.
We could create the August entertainment that the networks are desperate for just showing angry people shouting at their rep’s for supporting the rich instead of the middle-class. Good fun!
I’d like to say that it’s validating to have things live down to my expectations, but…it’s pretty lame. Yep.
A hundred and fifty years ago, another promoted-over-his-head, compromise-obsessed old Springfield state house hack, roasted by his own left wing, another bunch of intransigent mostly-Southerners, another elaborate minuet to make sure the other guys fired the first shot and took the blame.
Bor-ing.
Fucking Lincoln and his 11 dimensional chess (shakes fist)!
Bullshit.
Obama would have let half the states secede right off the bat and then entered into negotiations as to when the other half could secede.
You cant exactly bring out the “Obama will cave” Meme when the last deal was authored by Pelosi and Ried and went beyond where the President was willing to go. They are the ones that dropped the revenue demand, not Obama.
And you think they did that with out President Obama’s backing? Fat chance!! As Boo as said, the only hard limit the President has always had is no short-term extension.
And the terms when the original talks broke down included revenue increases. They were tossed when Pelosi and Ried got involved. Hell they were still there last thursday night.
Look The President signed off on the deal with Pelosi and Ried. Of course he did. But to say he caved on them himself is simply untrue.
No doubt if given the opportunity to form a separate white liberal government in exchange for allowing southern states to maintain slavery, you would have sold our black asses, saying “Don’t worry. We’ll make sure you get free health care and food stamps.”
that’s a little over the top.
I’ve noticed a few really mean comments from you directed at different regular commenters over the last 24 hours. Do you need some Milk of Magnesia or something? Maybe an enema?
It’s okay. sometimes we need to poop but it won’t come out.
I don’t mean to hurt any feelings here. I’m just concerned about you, dear.
Dr. Melissa Harris-Perry, from The Nation and substitute for Rachel Maddow, was just on MSNBC saying any time you engage in a public fight it benefits the wingers’ meme that government is broken.
And if fact, she was mad that Obama did any kind of speech at all.
It seems to me that he did tell the American public that he can not sign a bill that will only come back in six months time. I thought he made that very clear. It was unacceptable. Watch the speech again. c-span will no doubt run it all night. Maybe that was just my impression and I could be wrong but that’s what I heard.
Anyhoo, our biggest worry is what the ratings agencies are threatening. It’s not what the markets do. The markets trust that this is purely political (not fiscal) and that it must and WILL be resolved.
BUT – and it’s a REALLY BIG BUT…
If our bond rating is downgraded, trillions of dollars of bonds MUST be dumped into the market simply because they are no longer AAA rated. That’s life. I can not make clear enough how many bond fund prospectus have been written guaranteeing that such and such percentage of the fund will be made up of AAA rated bonds (which are mostly US T-Bills.) If the US debt is downgraded to anything less than AAA, all of it must be dumped regardless of how the investment managers at the fund feel about the quality of the bonds. They have guaranteed that they will ONLY hold AAA bonds. Period.
If this happens, expect a HUGE sale and/or redemption of Treasuries to occur, which we can not handle. We can not make good on say 6 trillion in bonds in one day, which we will have to do. We could get some aid from the Federal Reserve, who has the unique capability to pull money out of their asses, but whenever they do that it dilutes the Dollar. To do several trillion of this in one day would have horrendous effects on the world financial system and really do a number on the currency markets. We could take down several countries if we were to follow Bohener’s plan.
It seems that the ratings agencies are backing Obama and Reid on this one. Pay attention to what they say. They hold the keys on this one. A downgrade will harm us BAD even if we are able to pay the bills. They know it. Maybe Geithner and friends are telling them how to run this. It wouldn’t surprise me.
Could someone tell me what the President meant by that? Did he just get his words mixed up in anger at the time?
He seemed to be saying that he was bluffing about the veto and that Cantor shouldn’t call his bluff. If you’re bluffing, you don’t tell the other side that you’re bluffing.
– Confused
Actually, “don’t call my bluff” has come to mean “don’t try anything on the assumption that I’m bluffing, because I’m not.
maybe you don’t play poker?
‘Don’t call my bluff,’ is classic reverse psychology.
I play poker. And I have a very boring, unchanging poker face. No sunglasses or any gimmicks. Just still, boring tired-of-it-all poker face.
It drives people crazy.
Guilty as charged. Thanks to everyone for clearing this up for me.
Watching a re-run of Boner’s speech now on C-Span. Between sentences, he looks desperate to burp. Coulda been drinking. Who knows. And he’s a bit shiny with dark circles under his eyes. Can’t the Republicans afford a makeup girl to powder and then orange him up before an on-camera appearance? He looked ill.
The dude is a raging alcoholic. What do you think?
Did we watch the same speeches? Obama laid out the situation in plain, easy-to-understand terms and squarely put the blame where it belongs–
All that invoking of the ghost of Ronald Reagan really should play well with someone like my postal carrier who has actually said to me, “What this country needs is another Reagan.” Well, she got one last night. The couple of times he flubbed a bit I interpreted as deep emotion under the restraint of self-control. I thought it was effective.
This is Step ONE: Get the general public informed on how he sees the situation. He got around the media and laid out his case directly. Out loud, I said, “Yeah,” a couple of times and one big “Hell yeah.”
Now I was a little freaked by his praise of Bonehead but I figured that was a sopping rag to mop Boner’s fevered brow and give him some cover for applying pressure to the Teabag Brigade. And, just maybe Obama would rather deal with Bonehead instead of Can’tor.
I expect Step TWO is another network address saying, I’m sorry your phone calls didn’t work on these idiots, here are the drastic things I’m going to have to do, they have forced me to do this more drastic shit.
If Bonehead had spoken FIRST then you’d be right about Obama’s speech being lame. But you’ve got cart and horse switched around there. After this reasonable person (Obama) talking to them, the public saw a red-faced unreasonable person who didn’t look directly at the camera very often. Obama had just said Bonehead was a nice guy and his reaction was “Fuck U. I’m pissed off at you for saying I’m nice.” That looked truly unhinged.
This was ACT ONE and, in terms of theater, it sets up ACT TWO very nicely. Obama comes back and says, “See I tried to be nice but these people are crazy. Now look what they are FORCING me to do…”
I TOTALLY Concur. Completely.
I suspect that we news junkies were expecting Act 2 or 3 tonight. He gave Act 1 to the ignorant masses instead of their favorite prime-time show because they don’t normally care about politics.
This was intentionally scheduled for 9PM ET / 6PM PT so everyone would be forced to watch it. This is the bully pulpit usage we’ve all been hoping for but we need to be patient. He needs to educate the masses about the problem and pretend he’s waiting for the congress to move before he makes his next big announcement – where he states clearly what must be done since Congress will not or can not act.
When he’s done with this PR campaign, he should not only be re-elected but also have big Dem majorities in both houses of congress.
Let’s all have patience. He’s on it. And he knows what he’s doing.
I just want to second this. For all who were “freaked” at the collegial way Obama spoke about Bonerface — sjct has it exactly right. The real effectiveness of that emerged only when Boner himself took the podium. “… the public saw a red-faced unreasonable person who didn’t look directly at the camera very often. Obama had just said Bonehead was a nice guy and his reaction was “Fuck U. I’m pissed off at you for saying I’m nice.” That looked truly unhinged.” And yes, it does help set up Act Two.
First, Howdy!
Second: I thought the President’s speech was good. He’s educating people who are not paying attention to what’s going on–as frustrating as that is. I hate that he’s locked into always having to look “reasonable” but sometimes it has its advantages. Complimenting the tan man is akin to throwing him an anvil–with a smile. His call for the American people to contact Congress? Translation? “I’m more popular than you.” It’s not going to change repub minds but show where most people are.
I am concerned, however, that there’s no bottom line on increased revenues. I don’t understand him (rightly) talking about the need for a balanced approach on revenues but accepting the Reid plan.
As for tan man? We started laughing as soon as he said, “Hi.” He looked and sounded like Troy McClure.
Hey AP. I miss you. Have you been away or has it been me?
Maybe it’s just that you don’t have that graphic in your signature line anymore that makes me not notice?
About the revenues though, he really made it clear tonight that the Bush Tax cuts that we all feared would be continually renewed every couple years… WILL NOT BE anymore. I don’t know about you but I can live with that. If you ask Grover-Republicans to raise those taxes, you may as well be handing them a gun and asking them to shoot themselves. They can’t do it.
We need to get dozens of them replaced by Dems in the next election if we want to make real change. So let’s do that once this awful mess of a bill is behind us.
Hey there, Randy! No, it’s me; I’ve been away. I miss you and Oui and the entire Pond incredibly. I’ve lurked here and there but not engaged like I used to. Hopefully that will change.
There are so many new folks! (A good thing, of course! BTW, for those who care, “AP” are initials and DOES NOT stand for Associated Press. Someone once asked me that–and hey, even I thought it was a good question to ask.)
Oh yeah, I miss my graphic, too! I love my little Peach the Starfish. [sniff, sniff] Where did it go? LOL!!
Anyway…I can live with the Reid plan, but I’m not 100% on it. More like 85%. But the teabaggers won’t countenance even that. And Jefferson Davis’–er, the tan man’s sheer mendacity was ridiculous, even for him.
I think that’s why President Obama offered them 70% of what repubs wanted…’cuz he knew they’d never accept it.
I think the President uses the 14th amendment option next week. I also think teabaggers will howl for impeachment. Let them.
They can’t impeach him for obeying the Constitution.
And his response will be very simple. He set the table for it in his speech.
Congress appropriated funds authorized to run the government. Congress passed tax laws. The difference between those created the deficit and debt. Congress has said there is a limit on what the government may borrow to finance the deficit. Those three things conflict. Congress is stalemated as to what to cut or how to increase revenues. I am left with conflicting instructions and an absolute requirement in the Constitution not to default. In the absence of Congressional action, I must act. This is what I am going to do….
A Congressional attempt to impeach him under those circumstances will fail; the GOP caucus will be split. Because there are enough sane heads to know that that could cost them the election in dark red states.
Oh, any action he takes will last only two months. Congress has to have new appropriations or a continuing resolution in place by October 1–or there is a complete shutdown of operations when the money reprogrammed from FY 2011 to FY 2012 runs out.
I agree. He did what he needed to do last night. Most Americans really don’t understand what is going on. He laid that out just fine. The low information voters would not have responded well to an angry black guy.
A veto threat would have been entirely unnecessary.
Obama will – and should – sign any bill that gets the approval of the Senate.
Threatening a veto is simply more kabuki.
Reading the coverage from last night was educational. From the AP (not your usual ‘trusted source’):
Boehner ridiculed the $1 trillion in war savings as gimmicky, but in fact, they were contained in the budget the House passed earlier in the year.
From the much-vaunted LA Times:
. . Reid books savings from winding down the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Republicans deride that as a gimmick because the wars will end regardless of the budget debate.
I never thought about the significance at the time, but when Obama came into office, he insisted that wars should not be done “off the books” with supplemental funding bills like Bush did. Instead, he got the wars included in the budget. Maybe he predicted this congressional demand to cut budgets, knowing that he could cut massive amounts of money out of the budget by just ending undesirable wars.
It’s like how he got the money for Health Care (900 billion, I think) included in the budget before the negotiations even started so it’s automatically authorized if the concept passes after the big war to get it started is complete.
. . . he got the money for Health Care . . .
Part of paying for the ACA was supposed to come from letting the tax cuts expire (+/- 800 billion over ten years). He folded, too many people stayed home, choosing instead to give power to the ‘tea baggers’.
From the AP’s resident political reporter:
Both identify about $1.2 trillion in spending cuts to the day-to-day operating budgets of government agencies, though Reid’s proposal also counts an extra $1 trillion in savings from winding down wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. [Read more: SFGate
Don’t these people talk to each other? And McClatchy continues it’s slide into irrelevance by ‘dashing off’ a few graphs, most of which are devoted to Boehner. Bah.
From the usually accurate NYT:
Like some earlier Republican plans, the plan also counts about $1 trillion in savings from winding down combat operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, a point objected to by House Republicans who consider such savings as budget trickery since they would occur regardless.
The story above that includes reference to Ryan’s budget was written by David Espo, one of the AP’s business reporters. The rest were written by political anal-ysts.
I would worry if low-information voters read newspapers for national news. Most of the media are irrelevant to this debate at this point anyway, which is why there was a prime-time Presidential speech and GOP response.
I wasn’t expecting anything exciting, really. Nice presentation for both. Orangeman didn’t even make me angry. He’s so over I think. Unless, he enjoys looking a gazillion times weaker than “Obummer.” The new Teahadist just run buck wild & the Orangeman caves.
I read in the WashPo & Cantor is fully funded by Hedge Funds & Banks so they’re all enjoying this I guess. Cantor has always looked arrogant and/or smartalecky. It’s easier to get him to spout off & look stupid.
They’ve killed our reputation & our AAA though I think.
Well, as I might have suspected the rope-a-dope and four corners offense continues. That’s at the negotiation level. And it’s played out so long that the rating agencies are starting to lean on the Republicans instead of on the President. Always helpful to have one of the refs on your side.
Yes, when you do a prime-time, cover-every-network but Animal Planet, Presidential speech, you are getting the low-information voter as a captive audience and saying “Listen up”. Because racism still colors how people hear this President, straightforward businesslike rhetoric delivered calmly works better than being confrontational. It makes it easier to hear his words.
We will have to wait to see which words the low-information voters heard. The only question of effectiveness is “Are they awake yet?” Are they paying attention yet? Do they understand how this crisis will affect them yet?
As to which lines struck a chord, until there starts to be movement in public opinion or in actual action we won’t know. It doesn’t take much to shut down a single Congressman’s voicemail. But how many other members of Congress had theirs shut down as well by the flood of calls. And which CDs went down first? That would be very interesting information to have. Because right-wingers could easily have organized a phone campaign to flood “Hang tough” messages to the GOP and “Give in” messages to the Democrats. Those low-information voters are not the ones likely to be affected by the speech.
This was not the jump shot. It was not the attempt at a knockout punch. It was not the call to show your cards. It was just the start of another round of running out the clock and increasing the pressure. And Boehner matched it strategically tit for tat. It looks like once again the markets are yawning and going on with business as usual.
Putting Social Security and Medicare on the table and the Republicans not taking the deal give the White House permission to take those off the table as not essential to a deal.
The issue is down to the politics that was there, and the public slowly is catching on. The issue is the Republican desire to keep the debt ceiling crisis going until November 2012–or forcing the President to actually sell out his base. His real base, not just the progressives in his base.
If you are looking for the real blockbuster speech, it will come on August 1. That is a week from last night.
Booman,
He wasn’t talking to you. He was still playing his game of making the Republicans look bad, and last night was just another effort to spread that impression to a wider, less-politically-engaged audience.
Didn’t I say as much in my first graph?
You then undercut it in the rest of your paragraphs, by discussing whether it was “adequate” and citing John Boehner’s walking directly into the trap as evidence.
He should have given a speech that forced Boehner to rip up his prepared remarks and speak extemporaneously.
In other words, ‘the Speaker better not follow me with a proposal to push his bill because I will veto it and we will default because we’ve run out of time.’
The time for winning hearts and minds is over. It’s time to crack skulls.