It’s not very nice to take Glenn Greenwald on about an article in which he cites me approvingly, but I do have to lodge a complaint about his style of rhetoric. I don’t have a problem with his ranting about Ron Paul and the media. But I do have a problem with the end of his piece, starting with this:
I recall a conversation I had early on in the Obama presidency with a civil libertarian; at the time, progressives were rarely critical of the new President, but because civil liberties was the very first area where he so blatantly embraced Bush policies and revealed how he truly operates, that was the one area where harsh criticisms were somewhat common. I suggested in that conversation that the trend of progressive criticism of Obama would be expressed by an inverted “U”: it would continuously increase as the Real Obama revealed himself in more and more areas of prime importance to progressives, and then would decline precipitously — more or less back to its original levels — as the 2012 election approached. I think that’s being roughly borne out.
For mental health reasons, I have completely stopped reading Greenwald, but I follow him on Twitter and I have a general idea about his theory of The Real Obama. To tell you the truth, I am not familiar enough with it to give it a critique. Suffice to say that progressives would express an inverted “U” of criticism during the presidency of any Democrat, regardless of how “real” that Democrat turned out to be. As the hope built up from victory subsides into the cold realities of Washington’s power structure, progressives will be disappointed with each and every Democratic president, and this will be true until the end of time. They will slowly begin to get frustrated as promises are not kept, or as results are less than advertised, or as priorities get pushed back, and so on. Ugly compromises will get made and we will debate whether they are a feature or a glitch. It isn’t some great insight that progressives will spend the middle two and a half years of a Democratic president’s term whimpering and wailing impotently about betrayal. Then a Republican field of candidates will emerge and focus the mind on the alternative to a Democratic president. I’m as disappointed with this inevitable inverted “U” as Greenwald, but for the opposite reason. I’ll get to that.
Those depressing, destructive trends are exacerbated by the manipulative fear-mongering that drives these campaigns. Every four years, The Other Side is turned into the evil spawn of Adolf Hitler and Osama bin Laden. Each and every election cycle, each party claims that — unlike in the past, when Responsible Moderates ruled and the “crazies” and radicals were relegated to the fringes (the Democrats were once the Party of Truman!; Ronald Reagan was a compromising moderate!) — the other party has now been taken over by the extremists, making it More Dangerous Than Ever Before. That the Other Side is now ruled by Supreme Evil-Doers means that anything other than full-scale fealty to their defeat is viewed as heresy. Defeat of the Real Enemy is the only acceptable goal. Election-time partisan loyalty becomes the ultimate Litmus Test of whether you’re on the side of Good: it’s the supreme With-Us-or-With-the-Terrorists test, and few are willing to endure the punishments for failing it. It’s an enforcement mechanism for Party loyalty that — by design — breeds slavish partisan fealty.
It’s hard to know precisely what to make of this. For starters, it appears to be a prime example of something that Greenwald routinely blasts the press for doing. He’s made a false equivalence argument where Republicans’ claims that the Democrats are more radical than ever before are no more false than the Democrats’ same claim about the Republicans. Watch.
None of this has anything to do with reality. For as long as I can remember, Republicans — every election cycle — have insisted that the Democratic Party has “now become more radical than ever,” while Democrats insist that the GOP has now — for the first time ever! — been taken over by the extremists. That was what was said when Ronald Reagan was nominated in 1980 and then appointed people like Ed Messe, James Watt, and Robert Bork; it’s what was said with the rise of the Moral Majority and Pat Robertson’s 1988 second-place finish in the Iowa caucus (ahead of Vice President George H.W. Bush); it’s what was said of the 1994 Contract with America and the Gingrich-led GOP’s impeachment of Bill Clinton, and was repeated after Pat Buchanan’s 1992 “culture and religious war” Convention speech in Houston and again after Buchanan’s 1996 victory in the New Hampshire primary; and it’s what was said repeatedly throughout the Bush/Cheney presidency.
He’s rather explicitly rejecting the progressive argument that today’s Republicans are more radical than the Republicans of the 1980’s. Moreover, he’s rejecting the argument that there has been a trend over the last thirty years, all moving (both parties) in a more conservative direction. So, for example, I have said that in today’s world, Ronald Reagan could never win the Republican nomination using the same policies and rhetoric that he used in 1980. And the Newt Gingrich of 1994 would never become Speaker of the House in today’s Republican Party. Ultra-conservatives like Utah’s Bob Bennett have been drummed out of office in primaries for accepting basic responsibility for preventing a global economic collapse. Or, just look at how McCain and Palin ran on Cap and Trade, and where the GOP is on climate change just three years later. Or, look at the recent debt ceiling debate. That’s never happened before. As for the Democrats, they’re to the left of where they were in the 1980’s on gay rights and probably on racial issues, but on almost everything else, they’re to the right of where they used to be. So, how is it fair to dismiss the alarm bells about the consequences of electing a Republican president? Does the composition of the Supreme Court not matter? Don’t women face the loss of a federal right to privacy and reproductive freedom if Justice Kennedy is replaced by a Republican appointee?
Yes, some of the leading GOP presidential candidates (Bachmann, Perry) are truly extreme — -but no more so than was Pat Robertson, Newt Gingrich, Dick Cheney, or (in his own way) Pat Buchanan. Jesse Helms was the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and all but threatened Bill Clinton’s life. The GOP is extreme now and has been extreme for 30 years. The “Tea Party” is little more than a rebranding of conservatism in the post-Bush age. That they’re MORE EXTREME THAN EVER!! is a fear-mongering slogan — hauled out every four years — to cause Democrats to forget about, or willfully ignore, their own leader’s glaring, gaping failures.
I don’t recall Newt, or Cheney, or even Pat Robertson ever saying that Medicare and Social Security are unconstitutional. None of them would have risked a default on our debt or caused a downgrading of our credit-rating. Cheney said “deficits don’t matter,” not “let’s stop paying our credit card bill.” Greenwald is apoplectic that the president might adjust our entitlement system in a way that hurts the poor, but totally unconcerned that Rick Perry, who is currently ahead in the polls, wants to tear up our entitlement system and send that responsibility back to the states. It’s simply untrue that Michele Bachmann and the Tea Partiers are no more radical than Pat Buchanan. Standard & Poor just decided that these folks are so insane that we, as a country, can’t be totally trusted to pay our creditors on time. And who can blame them, really, despite their horrid record of failure and corruption?
The reality is that both parties’ voters, early on in the process, like to flirt with candidates who present themselves as ideologues, but ultimately choose establishment-approved, establishment-serving functionaries perceived as electable (e.g., the Democrats’ 2004 rejection of Dean in favor of Kerry, the GOP’s 2008 embrace of the “maverick” McCain). In those rare instances when they nominate someone perceived as outside the establishment mainstream (Goldwater, McGovern), those candidates are quickly destroyed. The two-party system and these presidential campaigns are virtually guaranteed — by design — to produce palatable faces who perpetuate the status quo, placate the citizenry, and dutifully serve the nation’s most powerful factions.
Yeah, it’s frustrating. It’s soul-crushing in its suckitude. But that’s our system. On many of the issues that most concern Greenwald, the two parties are frighteningly alike. How do we get these assholes to stop the insane War on Drugs? How can we ever shrink the Pentagon down to a reasonable size? Is there any end to the expansion of the surveillance state? It seems like neither party has any interest in budging on any of these questions, and it’s appalling. But how about the areas where they do differ? Obama has overhauled the food safety system, advanced women’s rights in the work place, ended DADT and stopped defending DOMA in court. He passed the Hate Crimes bill. He’s appointed two pro-choice women to the Supreme Court. He’s expanded access to medical care and provided subsidies for people who can’t afford it. He expanded the CHIP program. He’s fixed the preexisting condition travesty. He’s invested in clean energy. He overhauled the credit card industry, making it much more consumer-friendly. The Dodd-Frank bill was weak in many respects, but still extremely worthwhile as a start to re-regulating the financial sector. He created a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. He’s also done a lot for veterans, and he got help for people whose health was injured during the clean-up after the 9/11 attacks. None of these things were priorities for Republicans. They actively opposed, directly or indirectly through obstruction, every single item on this list. In fact, they succeeded in killing a Cap & Trade bill in the Senate after it had passed through the House.
All of these things are improvements that would not have occurred under a McCain-Palin administration. Moreover, a McCain-Palin administration would have moved in the other direction on most of these issues, or come up with even worse compromises. And then there’s McCain’s white hot-love for Iran and what that might have meant for the country.
Here’s Glenn’s conclusion:
The [two parties] can have some differences — they’ll have genuinely different views on social issues and widely disparate cultural brands (the urbane, sophisticated, East Coast elite intellectual v. the down-home, swaggering, Southern/Texan evangelical) — but the process ensures a convergence to establishment homogeneity. The winner-takes-all, Most-Important-Election-Ever hysteria that precedes it masks that reality, creating the illusion of fundamentally stark choices. That’s what makes the 18 months of screeching, divisive, petty, trivial rancor so absurd, so distracting, so distorting. Yes, it matters in some important ways who wins and sits in the Oval Office chair, but there are things that matter much, much more than that — all of which are suffocated into non-existence by the endless, mind-numbing election circus.
I just don’t buy that the differences between the parties are so insignificant as to pale in comparison to the much more important areas where they agree. But, even if I did, I care enough about the differences that it is truly a matter of life or death to me who wins the presidency. Believe it or not, considering my age, I’ve felt that way since the 1980 election. Poppy Bush, I could live with (unhappily), but I didn’t want a validation of Reagan’s two-terms. Bob Dole I could have lived with, too, if not for the Gingrich Republicans shutting down the government and behaving like lunatics. But, post-impeachment, it’s been an all-out war. The Republicans are the biggest threat facing the country. It was absolutely critical that they lose in 2000, in 2004, in 2008, and it will be again in 2012. If Greenwald can’t see that, then he and I just have such different progressive priorities that we can’t communicate with each other very well.
And that gets me back to that inverted “U” that Greenwald was complaining about. He hates that we don’t complain ALL the time. I hate that we waste time and effort bitching about the only thing we have that can stop a real conservative revolution in this country. I think Greenwald is the best blogger in the business. I think he’s brilliant. I think he’s principled and consistent. And I think he’s right most of the time. But he’s way off on the most important thing. I don’t care that he tends to put an uncharitable interpretation on Obama’s every move so much as I can’t understand why he doesn’t get that there are structural things created by our Constitution and our laws and court rulings that make it impossible for any president, no matter how progressive, to simply impose his or her will. The status quo of which he speaks is powerfully protected by our media, and by the way money is treated as free speech and corporations are treated as people. And when you need 60% of the Senate to be progressive to get a progressive outcome, the bully pulpit can only do so much.
The president has achieved a tremendous amount under the circumstances. And it matters greatly that he not be replaced by Mitt Romney, Rick Perry, or Michele Bachmann. Or even Ron Paul.
is a pitiful helpless giant, trapped in a world which cannot control.
What a pathetic view of Obama. He’s trapped all right – trapped in an endless cycle of self-fulfilling prophecies, where he knows that the best of all possible worlds is a suck-ass compromise, and he proceeds to get a suck-ass compromise.
I don’t have such a negative view of Obama. I don’t think that he HAS to be a PHG. He could actually do something, if he got off his ass, made it job 1, got the cabinet out there saying the same crap, and MOTIVATED.
Remember the run-up to the Iraq war? We all said “He won’t”, but he kept huffing, and puffing and he got Rice and Cheney and Rumsfeld and a bunch more out there saying the same thing, and he got congress to do it.
Why do you have such a depressingly negative view of Obama’s abilities, Boo?
Funny.
I knew with certitude (in my own mind) that Bush would invade Iraq if elected. After 9/11, any doubt was removed. I never questioned that we would invade Iraq for one microsecond.
As for the president’s lack of power, it’s a feature (not a bug) of our constitutional system. He cannot make John Boehner introduce, let alone pass, almost anything. Is that not clear to you, yet? And he cannot make seven Republican senators vote for anything.
It’s not a personal weakness. It is a product of the Constitution and the rules of the Senate.
Bush wanted to privatize Social Security. It didn’t happen. Did conservative attack him relentlessly for being weak?
No.
Because they actually are better about having realistic expectations about their leaders, ironically.
I have a weird way of viewing things because I agree with you on mostly everything when it comes to structure — progressive aims are structurally harder to bring about due to a limitless amount of barriers. I get that, I agree with that, and I agree with this piece far far far more than I disagree with it.
Here’s where I have a problem (are you ready? Because you’ve heard it before and will likely hear it down the thread from other dissenters):
You know, this frustrates me too. Medicare is unsustainable, and it must be cut somehow. But why does the president have to knee-cap his own party? You want to know why progressives constantly knee-cap him — I think they’re over the top a lot of the time, and I’ve only recently begun to get pissed off since that tax cut deal. Well, I want to know why he continues to knee-cap his own party on our signature issue. We need to make changes to those programs. But why do we need to make them NOW? Why is he choosing to use changes as a campaign tactic? Why can’t he get a concession from the Republicans out of it rather than giving it up freely?
Wait. Did you write this? I’ve read your comments before and this seems very uncharacteristic.
If you believe that Medicare must be cut, you’re giving the game away. There is no must. We could return to Clinton-era tax levels and be done.
We could easily say that health care costs need to be contained or constrained. Cut is not part of the equation but either regulation of the market (which ACA does) or provision of insurance or care (which ACA doesn’t do) needs to happen.
We can increase revenue, tout court, as well. We do not need to run a balanced budget. No successful modern state has over the long-term. Remember, the GOP only advocates for austerity when Democrats are in power.
Anyway, my comment was not at all to bash you, but the way you wrote it made it seem like you weren’t aware of the implications of what you wrote, which is something I’m often guilty of myself.
Well that’s what I mean, though. Sorry, when I say “cut,” I mean we need to change how fast spending is growing. Cutting could mean we negotiate directly with drug companies, or something.
I guess what I’m saying is, in an ideal world, I support the president because he’s being an honest broker. But the Republicans are not honest…so why give away any of the store at all? Demand that we do not cut Medicare at all in the campaign trail. Hell, demand we make no changes to it at all!
It seems people have only started reading my comments after the tax cut deal debate. I’ve only really started getting on the president since September. Before that I was quite supportive and had Booman’s view on virtually everything (I still do in many ways). But the one thing I pointed out is what’s been pissing me off ever since that tax cut deal.
Also, I guess I should say it better. I’d rather him focus on Republican intransigence. Not necessarily “campaign on” no changes to Medicare, but just highlight the Republican plan for it. Don’t even talk about how mean, partisan Democrats say “No changes at all.” If someone asks him what his plan is, then he could give it.
What makes everyone so nervous is that we don’t know where Obama’s deals stop. If he can get more revenues at the expense of raising the Medicare age to 67 along with cuts in Social Security, will Obama take it? I don’t know. And that’s worrying.
The problem is, in order to effectively campaign on Republican intransigence, he can’t be their mirror image.
The problem with focusing on Republican intransigence is that it cedes the power to set the agenda to the GOP and gets nothing done.
You’ve said nothing will get done either way…so?
I may have misunderstood your initial point. I thought you meant he ought to focus on GOP intransigence as a general strategy. A lot actually is getting done in terms of actual policy. I did say that it’s my guess that the Prez approached the “grand bargain” (can’t stand the term…) as a win for him if it went or didn’t, and it didn’t. I don’t think it was a priori going to fail, though. What happened in the process is that the House GOP demonstrated how dysfunctional they are as a group of legislators. This remained to be seen before the deal collapsed.
I really don’t think the president and is team is stupider than pretty much everyone in the progressive blogosphere who knew the GOP would never take a grand bargain because it would allow Obama to triangulate their asses out of office.
I think the President is smart enough to know that a good plan is one that has a more acceptable outcome than not if it doesn’t go as predicted.
Jesus, seabe, he hasn’t given them anything, yet.
He’s winning this debate and you’re crying about it.
What should the House Dems’ message be when the president is poo-pooing them about Medicare?
I have to second this point. The GOP will not accept any deal at all. The President could say that the business of America is business, offer policy to that effect, and they’d still call him a socialist.
He’s giving them two things:
I guess those things are just messaging, though, and messaging doesn’t matter?
It’s completely unnecessary. Is there any political benefit? He’s gonna attract independents by bad-mouthing Democrats?
I think that the President thinks that messaging matters as a means, where a lot of people with keyboards think it is the ends, and I think that the President has the better argument.
It helps the president. It doesn’t help Congress or liberal causes.
Also, I don’t know about anyone else, but I certainly don’t think it’s an ends. Obama doesn’t think of it as a means, either, because he hasn’t really tried it if he thinks it’s a futile effort.
However, according to National Journal, that’s set to change:
White House to Counter Leadership Drag
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone says it’s the ends. Maybe some people take a longer view than others, though, that’s true.
No, nobody would actually be stupid enough come out and say that speechmaking is what’s really important. But functionally, a huge mass of the President’s critics on the left critique him for what he does or doesn’t say, rather than examining concrete policy and its cumulative effect. Or–second sentence I’ve started with a conjunction: sorry–there’s no discussion of precisely which fencesitting Senators would have voted for a public option, e.g. Was Leiberman going to vote for it? Nelson? One of the left Republicans? If only the President had given it a rhetorical push, we would have it. I don’t find much value in this line of reasoning.
Well, it seems that not only is nobody saying that speechmaking is the only thing that’s important, but that you’re saying that it’s completely irrelevant.
Obviously (I think) speechmaking is quite important. Obviously, concrete policy is more important. And obviously, they’re intertwined. I think it’s completely fair to say, Obama’s done well with the hand he was dealt, given his unwillingness to use the bully pulpit. But if he had used the bully pulpit, I think we could’ve done better.
Can I prove that hypothetical? No.
Lieberman is an interesting example. He supported Medicare buy-in until it became clear that liberals liked it. So his ‘principles’ are extremely flexible. If Obama had pushed for Medicare For All (or, God help us, single payer), might Lieberman have settled for the public option? Who knows? Not me, not you–nobody.
Obviously, I can’t point to what would’ve happened if Obama had, say, taking a strong speech-y opposition to debt reduction as a problem, and instead spoken about using a short-term increase in the deficit to create jobs, like a family taking out a car loan to buy a car to get to a job. Would that have changed anything in the current political dynamic? Maybe. For better? Maybe. Maybe even for worse, which would utterly suck.
But one thing I know it would’ve done is make the progressive case, backed up by every reputable economist I’ve read, for how to fix this problem. I think that education of that sort is part of the President’s job, frankly. And I’m not sure how we ever win the actual concrete policy battles in the long term, if we fail to make the case for ourselves along the way. Instead, the Democratic Party now pretty officially believes that in the middle of a recession, we need to deal with the deficit.
You mistake what I understand as the President’s MO to be my sense of what’s important. The problem, it seems to me, is that a lot of the President’s critics don’t seem to have a grasp of what his approach to governance is and criticize him without an understanding of the broader approach.
You can’t explain everything about the President’s approach by going back to Alinsky’s tactics, but you can explain a lot. Alinsky’s bit about never getting out in front of one’s people fits the President’s actions. He is not going to be the educator-in-chief. Maybe that role is what is called for by circumstances, but he’s not going to do it. Often his speech on race during the campaign is cited–not by you to my knowledge–and the suggestion is made that if only he would make a similar speech on health care, or economy, then we’d get the policy we want. Given our politics, his caution, while distressing, is warranted. His apparent timidity in policy is a symptom rather than a cause of the total dysfunction of our politics. Changing that from above is not a solution. People in general instead need to get off their asses.
This is the problem, though:
The President takes a lot of crap from people who have a gut feeling that things could be better if he would do things differently, but nothing solid to point to, like the votes that would have been there had he done x. Point to the votes, or, if you can’t, analyze why in our political culture those votes weren’t there. At that point, we stop looking at the President and deal with the systemic issues, which are the real ones.
You’re right. Afghanistan was the surprise, not Iraq.
Funny, I didn’t notice Booman saying or implying that the president was “a pitiful, helpless giant”.
“Obama has overhauled the food safety system, advanced women’s rights in the work place, ended DADT and stopped defending DOMA in court. He passed the Hate Crimes bill. He’s appointed two pro-choice women to the Supreme Court. He’s expanded access to medical care and provided subsidies for people who can’t afford it. He expanded the CHIP program. He’s fixed the preexisting condition travesty. He’s invested in clean energy. He overhauled the credit card industry, making it much more consumer-friendly. The Dodd-Frank bill was weak in many respects, but still extremely worthwhile as a start to re-regulating the financial sector. He created a Consumer Financial Protection Bureau. He’s also done a lot for veterans, and he got help for people whose health was injured during the clean-up after the 9/11 attacks. None of these things were priorities for Republicans. They actively opposed, directly or indirectly through obstruction, every single item on this list. In fact, they succeeded in killing a Cap & Trade bill in the Senate after it had passed through the House.”
What I think Booman is saying is that the president’s power to pursue a Democratic agenda is limited by unrelenting congressional opposition and an activist supreme court, using the powers granted by the constitution and procedural rules in congress, and that being the case, it is impressive how much he has accomplished. A pathetic press and nasty economy don’t help much either.
agree, that’s my reading of Booman’s post also
Being a smart guy, I realized that is what he was saying.
You didn’t read that? Odd.
He’s right; you’re wrong.
While I agree that Obama’s ability to change things and move the Overton window and all that happy horseshit is limited, the point that I and MANY OTHERS are making is that part of the problem is Obama’s own doing. He concedes at the start, and this sets the narrative. He is a terrible negotiator, and has made many of his own problems.
As one simple and OBVIOUS example, putting Medicare on the table HIMSELF without ANY NEED TO DO SO is an unforced error, stupid and NOT INTELLIGENT.
The Republicans had been calling for Medicare cuts throughout the entire debt ceiling battle.
“Put them on the table” meant “agree to the Republicans’ demand to put them on the table.”
And this “enforced error” just buried the Republicans.
And then Obama agreed with them. That means that he now shares the issue. That was a stupid move, an unforced error, and exactly the problem that many of us have with Obama.
When is he going to wake up and remember that he is, or was, an actual Democrat?
No, not “agreed with them.” “Agreed to make a deal.” In a deal, a compromise, the other side gets some of what they want, even if you’d rather they not get it.
That means that he now shares the issue.
Well, to you it does. But, then, you spend enormous amounts of time on political web sites. It’s usually a good idea not to project your own impressions onto the general public when you that.
You can keep repeating this stupid straw man all you want.
When you’re a grown-up, perhaps you’ll be better at seeing shades of grey.
Until then, your only options will remain Helpless Giant and Green Lantern.
Riiiggghhht, the very FIRST thing that springs to mind watching Obama operate is that he’s an apathetic bench warmer who lacks motivation to go out and “do something”. Yes, that ever present “DO SOMETHING!!!” I keep seeing bleated about the progressive blogosphere as if all Obama needs to do is BELIEVE like Peter Pan in order to fly. No one ever tells us exactly WHAT it is that he’s supposed to say, what magical combination of words are available to make insane people like the Tea Partiers and their partners in crime the so-called establishment GOP do what it is that Obama might want to get them to do. I think Obama thought he had it when he was negotiating with Boehner and reached a grand bargain which Boehner promptly repudiated. The problem there wasn’t Obama’s approach, it might have been his misreading of the depths of Boehner’s fear of crossing the Tea Party and turning his back on the treacherous Eric Cantor, but who woulda thunk it? Boehner’s move didn’t make sense to anyone not from Bizarro World and Obama had made the mistake of thinking he was dealing with a grownup capable of seeing where his best interests lay, not a coward too dense to see that his short term victory is a long term ball and chain around his ankle.
I think the President is enormously cautious and plays out various possible outcomes of different actions, and then goes from there. I imagine that he hoped for a deal with Boehner, because it would be something concrete, always to him a plus, and also serve to split the opposition. The upside from his perspective was that if Boehner didn’t go for it, the GOP is the intransigent side, not the Democrats. The latter is how it’s working out.
Obama does not like to lose, so he will never go down in a blaze of glory for the sake of making a point. Good or bad, that’s who we’re working with.
Greenwald. Ugh.
I was over at Salon the other day and they had it in stereo, Greenwald and Sirota.
Meanwhile, people who would be great characters in a Guillermo Del Toro movie are moving closer to the GOP nomination.
It’s interesting that it took a positive reference from Greenwald to get you to read his column again. It’s also interesting to read your post juxtaposed against his. This is a pretty good summary of the two points of view dominating the liberal blogosphere these days.
I’ll give you this – when I read him today the same thought occurred to me about Greenwald acting as though the right wing has not gotten more extreme over time. Taken in isolation that does seem to be the point. However, he’s also made the point, in great detail, about how extreme they’ve become in other posts over the years (especially with regard to his topic of expertise, civil liberties). So I think his point here was that we are entering yet another cycle where each side acts like the other is Hitler – not necessarily that the right wing hasn’t become more fascist than before, but rather that we are acting the same way we always do, so you can’t tell the difference from our behavior.
OTOH, Greenwald, like the other star of the blogosphere, Krugman, is both extremely well researched and consistent in opinions over the years regardless of the people involved. That is a very rare and gifted trait.
Booman,
This is excellent analysis. You and Al Giordano are the only two bloggers I’ve ever financially supported and pieces like this are the reason why. Please keep it up.
Yes, Al Giordano is fantastic, too.
+1 — Al is also terrific.
The bully pulpit can do jack at this point, if your goal is to move things to the left. The bully pulpit, given how media operates, could be like spitting into the wind if Obama were to get out ahead, so to speak, of the genuinely organized left, which is distressingly anemic in this country.
The problem with the progressive blogosphere, so-called, is that it’s basically a large exercise in rhetoric. Blogging is great, but it’s not a replacement for organization. However, the blogosphere responds to words, and so Obama, who can deliver a speech (and, I would add, write an even better one–his real talent with words is as a writer), is taken to task for not approaching his Presidency as an exercise in rhetoric, which is the substance of the blogosphere.
The President has opted instead to try to affect as many variables in policy as possible, from the massive (ACA) to microscopic (all the little policy changes that get no reportage) in an attempt to shift the norms of governance in a relatively leftward direction. Big policies produce big responses, but the little things people don’t notice condition expectations and norms, which have a larger cumulative effect. This does not make for good speeches and it means the President always aims for the center, which means practically (given conditions) a leftward tilt but all the same not on the left.
The President will always look to pass something rather than nothing, because he can leave no mark if nothing is passed. The only sensible critique is that his sense of the possible is too timid, but I’ve never seen that argument made plausibly.
Great analysis.
Newbie here to the pond, so I thought I’d take the opportunity to say hi to all and to express my appreciation to Boo for writing and maintaining a blog space that makes a reasonable attempt to mark out the boundaries of the political issues that confront us. With a nice sprinkling of partisan acerbity. Reminds me of another blog whose author’s handle started with a “B” – billmon.
Also available in orange.
Greenwald’s rhetoric is so over the top, so hyperbolic, that he loses credibility, even when he has a point. If he were as brilliant as you say he wouldn’t need to resort to hyperbole, but he always does.
I agree, plus the fact he seems to ignore or is ignorant of the way the US government is actually structured makes me disagree with that part of Booman’s very good analysis here. Not brilliant, just dogmatic.
Greenwald argues like a defense attorney. His duty as he sees it is not the truth, but to his client/cause. That’s how you get, for instance, his misleading statements about Bradley Manning, where he used every bit of weasel wording and misdirection he could come up with the misrepresent the facts.
Which wouldn’t be so objectionable if he didn’t then turn around and present himself as The Last Honest Man, telling the absolute truth, and constantly attack those who dispute his spin as being the ones demonstrating bias.
And it’s not just that we need a 60 vote majority in the Senate, it’s that it’s virtually impossible that we’ll ever get that, due to the way Senators are elected.
I agree with Rick Perry; we need to change the Constitution. No more electing 2 senators from Wyoming; they only get .2. And New York gets 12.
There. Progressive agenda accomplished.
That’s very difficult to do, given that Article V of the Constitution states that “no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate.”
I just can’t see small states all agreeing to give up their equal representation in the Senate, or to severely curtailing the power of the Senate relative to the House.
I think we’re kind of stuck with the Senate being composed as it is, unless you want to overthrow the government or secede.
Well, that’s why what I wrote was not meant to be taken seriously. Unfortunately.
But Democrats do need to realize just how severe a structural disadvantage we have in our government, and figure out ways to resolve it. Like, for instance, changing the political minds of Southerners and Westerners.
I live in California, where, if we dealt with our own structural issues as a State we could do some pretty impressive things from a left standpoint. There is likely, for example, support for a statewide single payer system, etc. I get very tired of having my politics hamstrung by small conservative states with two Senators.
There is a part of me that really does not see the possibility of Federal programs to do the things I want and that a decent majority in my state want. The dysfunction is too great, and the equal representation issue in the Senate to big a hurdle at this point, esp. w/a permanent filibuster. In this sense I almost agree with Rick Perry. Send it to the states. Cut Federal tax to near zilch and boost up CA taxes to cover the difference. I know that can’t happen in CA now, but I am fairly sure that single payer, if it comes to the US, will be, like Prohibition, state policy before Federal.
I’m willing to say that the issues that Greenwald writes most about are either issues that I don’t agree with him on or issues that are not on my list of priorities.
Every Greenwald piece seems to boil down to this: if everyone agreed with Glenn Greenwald on both issues and tactics, the world would be a slightly less soul-suckingly awful place, and our headstrong refusal to agree with him in every respect only delays the arrival of the utopian commonwealth of Greenwaldia. Tut-tut, tsk-tsk, puny humans. His sense of politics is childish, his sense of principle is a caricature, and his sense of self-regard is colossal.
His sense of politics is childish because he’s a political child.
He acknowledges that he only began to follow politics in 2006 – five years ago.
When I was 19, I sounded like him, too – right down to the self-congratulatory, Broderesque “both sides are just the same” pose.
Also, Obot Obot Obot Obot Obot.
He also has no idea how to change any of those structural impediments. Just a lot of handwaving and insults and self-congratulation about how quickly he was disenchanted, and you would be too if only the scales fell from your poor benighted eyes.
This is a great piece, Booman. I don’t read GG, so I won’t comment on him. But one thing about the system of government we have is, although it moves slowly, it does move if you stick with it. Since 1980, the Dems have controlled Congress and the White for all of 4 years – the first two years of Clinton and the first two years of Obama. Is it any wonder progressive ideas can’t get momentum in Washington?
I think the bully pulpit is a powerful tool, and one that Obama’s mostly used in the service of conservative narratives. (Deficit reduction being the latest and greatest.)
However, that said, this is a fantastic post, Booman, and the reason that I keep coming back even though I feel about you how you feel about GG: I think he’s brilliant. I think he’s principled and consistent. And I think he’s right most of the time. But he’s way off on an important thing. I don’t care that he tends to put a charitable interpretation on most of Obama’s moves so much as I can’t understand why he doesn’t get that our current system of president-and-celebrity makes it possible for any president, almost single-handedly, to alter the narrative of the country–even if that doesn’t always and necessarily result in immediately enacting progressive policies.
Obama has profoundly disappointed intelligent progressives.
But I’m glad you’re happy with the job he’s doing.
A lot of people thought Jimmy Carter was just swell too. But that didn’t get him re-elected.
Nor will his million dollar black bus tour.
Obama is failing.
The system of government at local, state, and federal levels is failing because of a rigid and erroneous ideology. People know the system of government is failing.
The failure at the federal level isn’t the President, it’s Congress and especially Congressional Democrats who began running from Obama’s agenda and running against Obama’s agenda beginning with the inadequate stimulus in February 2009.
Most people recognize that Congress is the failure. That’s why the job approval rating for Congress (both parties) is 14%. In terms of job approval, Obama is at his lowest thus far—45%. No one else at the federal level comes close.
So far, the Republicans have no Ronald Reagan candidate in the wings and it is hard to imagine who among Republicans could moderate enough to win the general election without sacrificing their primary chances.
Jimmy Carter faced a cranky Congress, but not a system-wide failure of government. Jimmy Carter with amenable Democrats and thoughtful Republicans in Congress would have placed the US on the road to alternative energy and energy independence a full generation ahead of where we are now. Likely he could and would have gotten a single-payer health care system passed. And handled the Iranian revolution much differently than Scoop Jackson wanted it done. He was not taken seriously be the media because he was a Southerner; he could not shake their Jed Clampett stereotypes. Brother Billy didn’t help. He in fact did get the hostages released. He in fact did appoint Paul Volcker and get inflation under control. But Reagan got the credit. He would have handled the 1982 recession differently than Reagan did. He would not have stiffed PATCO and the labor movement. He would not have run up the national debt with Star Wars and budget incompetence. He was caught between Scoop Jackson, some remain Southern Democrats, and Edward Kennedy–just to mention the folks in the Senate. The coal and oil lobbies perceived him to be such a threat that the first thing Reagan did was to end the alternate energy program of DoE. Solar panels were removed from the White House; experimental large-scale wind turbines were dismantled in several locations.
The “campaign tour” Obama is taking right now is more about positioning for this fall’s series of fights than it is about the 2012 campaign. And the results of those fights will shape his prospects in the campaign. The question is whether he now has the House and Senate in control and working on the same page enough to get something done. Or will there be quisling Democrats who give the GOP cover.
An important interpretive divide is between those who see personal failings and those who see systemic failings. I’m in the latter camp because it explains things more consistently. I don’t understand why it seems so difficult for some people to understand the systemic questions. It’s as if our problems would evaporate if Obama changed his attitude. That’s not an analytically sound position.
While many people in this country have been taught that we live in a representative democracy, few people have actually internalized it. They want a president who acts like they think Bush did but “progressive” instead of conservative. Basically they want a king that will tell Congress to go stuff itself and do whatever the fuck he wants, but they want ‘whatever the fuck he wants’ to be ‘whatever the fuck I want him to want’.
It doesn’t help that the narrative around the Bush years with regards to this is an utter lie either. The narrative around Bush is that he stomped the Congress into doing whatever he wanted. This is a lie. Congress did what it wanted and Bush signed off on it. What Congress wanted and what Bush wanted aligned almost perfectly. There was exactly one thing that Bush wanted that he had to stomp on Congress and twist arms for – Medicare Part D. A lot of Republicans didn’t want to do it, but Bush wanted to have the pharmaceutical industry in his debt and a lot of other Republicans wanted the same thing. Plus they could spin themselves as champions of Medicare now that their strongest constituency is of Medicare age.
But that’s it – pretty much everything else domestic policy wise Bush just followed along with what the Republicans in Congress wanted to do. Foreign policy wise Bush did what he wanted – but it’s important to note that he never did anything that the majority of Congress wasn’t behind him for, or at least the were behind him until it became obvious he was failing, and then they started saying that it wasn’t their fault Bush was incompetent. It was the UN he had to get Colin Powell to lie to – Congress was always ready to vote to let him use force in Iraq.
The other thing about Bush which follows comments here is that if you push toward oligarchic militarism in our system, the system pushes with you. If you push against it, the system pushes back. Bush in that sense had the wind at his back, and it makes him look swift.
Black bus tour, eh? Funny that you should mention the color of the bus for no reason.
What other “black” details of the man’s presidency have left you seething with unaccountable fury, hmm?
Black bus. Look at it. Looks like a Darth Vader mobile.
I don’t recall Newt, or Cheney, or even Pat Robertson ever saying that Medicare and Social Security are unconstitutional.
I don’t remember Paul Ryan saying it either. Or most of the current crop of Republican leaders or presidential candidates. What matters is whether they were trying to destroy it, and they were.
Newt, of course, is the man who invented the idea of shutting down the government. In 1995, he tried to force Bill Clinton to sign a budget bill that would’ve cut Medicare, Medicaid, education, agricultural subsidies, veteran’s benefits and aid to poor children. It would’ve sold leases to oil companies in ANWR and eliminated royalty payments for deep-water drilling in the Gulf of Mexico. Medicade was to be cut by $270 billion. $32 billion was to be cut from the earned income tax credit for the working poor. Republicans would’ve simultaneously cut taxes $245 billion, primarily on businesses. This is almost exactly the current Republican agenda as well.
Here’s his plan for Social Security:
And of course, Republicans at the time did threaten not to raise the debt ceiling
How is this any different from what just happened a few weeks ago?
Here’s Pat Robertson:
Cheney, of course, was more focused on idea of perpetual war, starting with Nixon, until reaching the vice presidency, where he institutionalized torture and assaulted civil liberties with abandon. He is easily in the dangerously crazy league with any of today’s tea partiers. Of course, he also helped sell Bush’s Social Security privatization scheme.
That’s the exact line being sold by Ryan. Only the dates have changed.
” I just don’t buy that the differences between the parties are so insignificant as to pale in comparison to the much more important areas where they agree. “
I used to believe that, but no longer do. The wholesale looting of the country to stuff the elites, they’re open acknowledgement that they are not only above the law, they ARE the law and that acquiescence by the Obama administration simply proved too much.
This.