I understand Mitt Romney’s basic argument, which is that he took a paid leave of absence from Bain Capital in 1999 and that he didn’t exercise any executive authority over the business again afterward. He didn’t originally know that he wouldn’t be coming back, so he continued to act as CEO in some capacities, like filling out paperwork or even, perhaps, attending a board meeting of some subsidiary, but he can’t be blamed for decisions that the company made while he was focused on the Olympics or launching his gubernatorial bid. That’s basically the theme the right is using to defend him, and it makes sense as far as it goes. The problem is that it doesn’t go very far.
Let’s just phrase the charge a little differently and say that Mitt Romney enriched himself by owning a business that made huge profits by outsourcing jobs and downsizing companies. Can he dispute that he personally profited as the CEO, chairman, a sole shareholder of Bain Capital in the 1999-2002 period? Obviously, he cannot make that claim.
Moreover, if he didn’t like what the company was doing, he had the power to make them stop. I haven’t seen Romney come out and claim ignorance about Bain’s activities. He’s just saying that he didn’t make those decisions. At best, he approved those deals retroactively by not expressing any displeasure.
So, what is Romney’s defense? That he didn’t work on the deals even though he made tons of money off them and never complained?
That’s why Dick Durbin said he was running away from Bain Capital like a scalded cat. It was his company. His baby. He created it. He grew it. He wants us to admire his work there so much that we make him president. And then he turns around and says, “I didn’t have anything to do with that.” I mean, that’s just remarkable. And it’s not like Bain Capital behaved any differently once Romney took his leave of absence. He’s just trying to avoid responsibility for certain deals, even though there is nothing particularly special about those deals.
Imagine if Bernie Madoff had taken a leave of absence a few years before he got busted. Would anyone take him seriously if he claimed he wasn’t a bad guy because some of the fraud took place while he was on his paid leave of absence? Either what Bain Capital did in 1999-2002 was shameful or it wasn’t. If it was shameful, then so is what Bain Capital did throughout the 1990’s.
Why is Romney acting like his company was a criminal enterprise the second he stopped running it, and not a moment before?
And, you know, you have to ask some lawyers if Romney committed any felonies. I don’t think he set out to commit perjury or defraud anyone, but he might have done those things inadvertently. You know, the law can be tricky that way.
tldr version of mitt: FREE STUFF FOR ME!!!! NOT FOR THEE!!!
Does everyone here know that there are 122 “Bain” named entities registered with the Delaware Department of Corporations?
wrt those that W. Mitt Romney owned lock, stock, and barrel through 12/31/2002 according to Romney’s financial disclosure form with the Commonwealth of MA:
Romney’s non-Bain named and 100% owned entities:
Bain Capital, LLC – incorporated 2/22/2000
Someone with a few bucks to spare might want to check out all the information filed on Bain Capital, Inc. and Bain Capital, LLC. Wonder how Bain Capital operated before October 19, 1990 when it was incorporated in Delaware.
I’m sure the Obama campaign is going through it all.
Sometimes an obvious information source gets overlooked. Plus everybody seems to be conflating all the Bain entities — legally they truly are separate — and as they are each supported by private agreements, what can be publicly known is very limited.
In a dKos rec diary this statement was made:
Not only imprecise but also inaccurate. The 13-D SEC filing (which the dKos diarist didn’t bother to read) discloses who the “Bain entity” investors were:
The other “Bain entities” were general partners that may or may not have put any of their own money into the deal.
It’d be awesome if you document this and post a diary with all the basic facts and their sources at dKos and here. That way the data gets out there and folks can start digging and cross referencing.
Can’t post at dKos — after almost a decade managed to get myself banned.
Agree that organizing everything that can be known about “Bain” from public filings and statements would be helpful, but it would take a team of careful readers and a database to put together and not a diary. For example, there are 122 “Bain” named entities registered with the Delaware Dept of Corporations. That number doesn’t include the entities not using “Bain” or those not registered in Delaware. Do you think a diary stating that Bain Capital, Inc doesn’t = Bain Capital, LLC would be helpful?
What is helpful is to start yelling about look at all those Bain companies, and how come they needed so many false fronts for what they were doing, and what were they trying to hide? Huh? Huh?
Of course, the large number is because they were tucking each investment into its own legal box so that if it went belly up the creditors couldn’t reach the assets of any other Bain entity. You and I know that quite well.
But that’s a defense to leave to the Romney side, whereupon one responds: “So they sucked out all the profits and left their creditors holding the empty bag!”
What Bain was doing was (as far as we know) all legal, but not necessarily ethical, and most assuredly not fair as most people would judge fairness.
It does seem that Mitt’s absentee CEOism gives him a leg up on sitting in the WH to rubber stamp Grover’s Bills or maybe since Grover would be managing the day to day business at the WH Pres Mitt could just show up to get his paycheck. Careful what you wish for Grover.
Why the requirement to “show up to get his paycheck?” For him a wire transfer to one of his offshore accounts would be preferred.
Why is Romney acting like his company was a criminal enterprise the second he stopped running it, and not a moment before?
I think we at least know a partial answer to that question. Something that would upset the religious fundies.
Funny thing about corp takeovers, the R&D of which companies can be targetted isn’t an overnight thing. Companies that were on the Bain horizon were there before Mitt left, he would have known of the portfolio of targets and participated in the analysis. When he walked out the door, all he did was take a plane to Salt Lake, he didn’t set Bain adrift.
“Why is Romney acting like his company was a criminal enterprise the second he stopped running it, and not a moment before?”
In order to put the kibosh on that, all you’ve got to do is show what Bain was doing BEFORE 1999.
Andrew Sullivan summed up Willard perfectly today:
Rachel Maddow had a superb segment on this on Friday…the importance of that 1999 dividing point.
Ask the president:
“No. We will not apologize. Mr Romney claims he’s Mr. fix-it for the economy because of his business experience, so I think voters entirely legitimately want to know what is exactly his business experience.
And as the head of a private equity firm his job was to maximize profits and help investors. There is nothing wrong with that. On the other hand that company also was investing in companies that were called by the Washington Post ‘the pioneers of out sourcing.’ Mr. Romney is now claiming he wasn’t there at the time except his filings with the SEC listing says he was the CEO, Chairman, and President of the company. As President of the United States, I’ve learned and we just talked about it, anything that happens on my watch is my responsibility. Harry Truman said ‘the buck stops with me’ and I think understandably people are going to be interested in are you in fact responsible for this company you say is one of your primary calling cards for your wanting to be President.”
Damn.
Good new Bloomberg article Romney’s Bain Yielded Private Gains, Socialized Losses. Only it doesn’t mention why Bain Capital, Inc. or Bain Capital LLC couldn’t suffer losses on any of those deals beyond what little, if any, cash from the corporation they invested.
The Party of Personal Responsibility does not seem to wish to have R-Money be the Candidate of Corporate Responsibility. Of course, since corporations are people, this is amazing.
What do you make of this new NYT story about the timeline and the complexities of Romney’s departure from Bain?
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/16/us/politics/when-did-romney-step-back-from-bain-its-complicated.ht
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Note that linking to a NYT story may not be good for your monthly quota.
I don’t know what you mean.
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"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
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"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."
Apparently everyone except Ivan Boesky that made out like bandits through the Milken scams were given “get out free of investigation cards.” Had all those crooks been rounded up, all their assets confiscated, they were forever barred from owning/operating/trading any stocks/bonds/companies for life, the number of this latest round of crooked banksters would have been reduced and cut their damage by at least 50%. For example, the Dennis Cassano AIG credit default swap shop would never have existed.
It would have been nice if one of the five interviewers asked the simple question, “Given your SEC filing of sole shareholder, Pres, CEO of Bain in 2002, what had been been your mutual understanding of your role in the Bain family of corporations in order to receive more than $100,000 in salary?” Did the same team run the Bain family in 1998 with you that continued on without you in 1999?