I think Charles Murray has a blind spot. He does a nice job of explaining why Asian-Americans should be more receptive to the Republican Party but his explanation for why they are not is off the mark.
First of all, Mr. Murray notices that Asian-Americans have college degrees at more than double the rate of whites, but he fails to note another crucial difference. While people with bachelor’s degrees are roughly split in terms of which party they support, those with the advanced or technical degrees (basically, science and math) favored by Asian-Americans skew heavily toward the Democrats. So, for starters, Asian-Americans’ strong preference for liberal policies isn’t as big of a mystery as Murray thinks.
Having said that, Mr. Murray is correct that Asian-Americans tend to have the same profiles often seen in conservative whites. A small businessman’s aversion to government regulation really shouldn’t owe anything to race, for example.
Murray appears somewhat mystified about why Asian-Americans don’t behave politically in the same fashion as similarly situated whites. His explanation is relevant, but incomplete. He thinks the Republicans’ economic appeal is wiped out by their social conservatism.
I propose that the explanation is simple. Those are not the themes that define the Republican Party in the public mind. Republicans are seen by Asians—as they are by Latinos, blacks, and some large proportion of whites—as the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists. Factually, that’s ludicrously inaccurate. In the public mind, except among Republicans, that image is taken for reality.
It’s true that the vast majority of Asian-Americans are not Bible-thumpers. But a generalized social-conservatism is not uncommon in Asian-American families. It is not uncommon in black or Latino or even Jewish families, either. What all these groups are responding to is transparent antipathy for their race and/or ethnic heritage that they sense in the Republican base.
Murray’s explanation for why Jews trend liberal is similarly blinkered.
“Many of the Jews who immigrated to America had been socialists, trade-union activists, or otherwise committed to the Left in their native lands, and those family traditions have sometimes perpetuated themselves. The great majority of non-political Jewish immigrants came from places where they had been systematically persecuted for being Jews, and it is easy to see how Jews might have an enduring propensity to side with the underdog.”
Mr. Murray seems to lack any awareness about how central social justice is to Judaism. He also seems unaware of how persecution at the hands of Christians might leave Jews suspicious of the type of Christians who want to weaken the separation of Church and State. It’s not a matter of being for the underdog. It’s a matter of being for civil rights, for themselves and for others.
There are 535 members of Congress, and Eric Cantor is the only Republican Jew in the lot. This ought to be a sign not just that Jews prefer liberal policies but that Jews don’t feel welcomed in the Republican Party. It’s the same reason that blacks and Latinos don’t feel welcomed. It’s the same reason that Asian-Americans don’t feel welcomed.
The Republican base doesn’t like these groups and doesn’t consider them “real Americans.” Bill O’Reilly, anticipating the election results, said the demography is changing and that “traditional America” lost because Blacks, Latinos, and women want free stuff. He was wrong. “Traditional America” lost because it alienated everyone who isn’t straight, male, and conservatively Christian. The main problem isn’t that Republican policies are unfriendly to the poor, although that is part of it. It isn’t that people are more liberal on social issues, although that is part of it, too. The main problem is that the Republican base despises people who aren’t just like them. It’s not just the 47% who supposedly can’t be convinced to take personal responsibility for their lives. No one goes around saying that Asian-Americans are lazy moochers looking for a handout.
Asian-Americans voted for Obama for a lot of reasons, but one of the most important reasons was that they knew that Republicans don’t like them.
I’ve written it before…
nobody said anything…but everyone who wasn’t White and not a sellout, quietly observed the unrelenting disrespect shown this President and his entire family.
They, too, have lived under the previous 43 WHITE Presidents, and noticed the difference.
and, they made their voice heard on November 6th on what they thought about it.
they really thought they were just gonna roll and take away the RIGHT TO VOTE for some FIVE MILLION AMERICANS and nobody was gonna say shyt.
I said it before…the number that shocked them was the 70+ percent of ASIANS.. that voted for the President.
They just ‘ knew’ that Asians were down with the ‘ White is right’.
They never heard a peep from the Asians…
but they made their voice heard.
and, they were shocked…SHOCKED…that the Latinos came out to vote, and didn’t vote for a man who cozied up to the Papers, Please Law creator and Prop 187 Pete WILSON. Like that was just supposed to fly over the heads of Latinos.
Because, we all know that they stood by silently – the overwhelming majority of the MSM, as this President and his ENTIRE FAMILY were insulted..
They were ready for the narrative that ‘only Black folk’ were insulted, and of course, it was in our ‘ imaginations’.
Barack and Michelle Obama are the EPITOME of the American Dream.
They are what EVERYONE who wasn’t born RICH in this country, and can’t dribble some sort of athletic ball is told to do:
Go to school
Excel.
Work your ass off.
Nobody is saying that you’ll become President.
But, if you aren’t born rich, this is the way to middle-class success at the very least.
AND, the GOP continually disrespected this self-made man and his wife.
I don’t always agree with you, rikyrah, but my hat is off to you on this one. That’s pretty much exactly what happened, IMO.
I long suspected there was a silent majority that supported President Obama. The sort of person who most likes and appreciates a president who is calm, competent, caring, and not plagued with personal issues that end up plaguing the country (unlike Oedipus Tex and his Iraq fixation), is seldom the sort of person who would shout it from the rooftops. No, they just quietly express their opinion in the voting booth, where it counts.
From the horse’s mouth, so to speak…
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/11/a_deep_nerve.php?ref=fpblg
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2012/11/a_deep_nerve.php?ref=fpblg
Thanks for the links. Those comments at TPM are deserving of a much wider readership. Too bad I don’t have the nerve to share with my many Republican voting relatives and friends. I still think Joe Wilson needs to pay a political price. He needs to be publicly ridiculed and preferably by this President.
That Joe Wilson shout was the about a shocking a display of GOP contempt for a Democratic president as I have ever seen.
Bill Clinton didn’t get a lot of respect, either.
Nor Hillary.
Nor Nancy Pelosi.
The “politics of personal destruction” is now just a permanent feature of the conservative/GOP way.
I think you nailed it, Booman.
Murray says:
“Republicans are seen by Asians–as they are by Latinos, blacks, and some large proportion of whites–as the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists. Factually, that’s ludicrously inaccurate.”
Is that really inaccurate? I’d ask him to provide examples.
OK, Republicans are also the party of rich miserly elitists.
It’s completely accurate. But Republicans don’t think it is, because for the most part they don’t recognize their own racism.
“It’s not my fault if [insert label] are lazy and genetically inferior and want free stuff, amirite? I’m just saying the truth, plain as day. Why, some of my best friends are [label].
Okay, I made that last part up, but still, that’s not racist!”
“Republicans are seen by Asians–as they are by Latinos, blacks, and some large proportion of whites–as the party of Bible-thumping, anti-gay, anti-abortion creationists. Factually, that’s ludicrously inaccurate.”
I’ve always thought that when everybody but you thinks you have a problem – and it’s always the SAME problem…
Maybe it’s not them. Maybe it’s YOU.
It is always risky to make general statements about ethnic groups. However, I think a very important issue for Asian-Americans is the GOP’s total lack of respect for science and public education. Asian-Americans place a lot of emphasis on education, and I think this is a major factor in their turning away from the Republicans.
YES …. Remember Sanctorum and his “What a snob” remark? That, along with the endless catering to the ignorant on creationism, global warming, contraception, and on and on. That is one thing I appreciated about the ENDLESS Republican primary process – it exposed the party’s precepts for everyone to see, endlessly on YouTube.
I very much agree on this point re. education. I’m also reluctant to make monolithic characterizations of any ethnic group, but Republicans’ enthusiastic pushes to cut education funding, actively attack teachers, and their complete indifference as university and college tuitions shoot through the roof are high-profile positions that are unlikely to persuade Asians.
“Murray has a blind spot”? Oh, I think so. Clicking the link reveals all kinds of self-delusional bullshit. The one I love for all its incoherence is his summary of Asians as both family-oriented and self-reliant. A bit contradictory, no?
Finally, the tone is one we’ve heard from a lot of conservatives since November 6th- a white person writing for other white people about one minority group or another and that group’s foolish support of Democratic Party candidates. These essays intend to persuade white Republicans that they don’t need to change any of their policy positions or priorities. In its extreme condescention, “analysis” like Murray’s won’t persuade women or minority groups to change their vote. For this I could say I am thankful, but frankly I would like the Republican Party to join reality so that they compete with Democrats more effectively. Dragging the argument fantastically rightward as the R’s are can cause many Dems to be little more than the lesser of two evils. The Dems are most definitely superior to the Republicans, but I’d like them pushed to be even better. There’s lots of damage to undo.
My wife and children are Asian-Americans and yes, Republican racism does turn them off.
What’s that they say about Karma??? Oh yeah, “She’s a bitch, yo”.
Romney’s share of the popular vote now at point where it will be rounded down to 47%.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/11/26/1164808/-Mitt-Romney-47-percent-watch-47
It was probably 25-30 years ago that we started to see a noticeable influx of Asian Americans into my area. Japanese car makers were setting up plants in the area. Toyota and Honda became a huge presence around here. There were also other Japanese companies locating locally. And as a result, many Japanese families were moving into our previously near-lily-white communities. The Japanese transplants coming here were highly educated young families, with strong work ethics and traditional Japanese views. They were exactly the kind of people that communities would normally want.
But they sounded different. They looked different. They had unusual customs. A lot of them spoke very little English at the time. And so many people looked at them like they were aliens. I heard people laugh and tell stories about yelling at them to “SPEAK ENGLISH!!” when they would try to communicate at a gas station or a convenience store. They would make fun of them behind their back. It was cruel, heartless and, as a local citizen, very embarrassing.
Now certainly, there were many people in the community who welcomed them with open arms. But many, and they were quite vocal about it, did not like them being here. And it has been replayed all over again during these last few years as we see the Hispanic population growing in the area. And they are suffering the same indignation as their Japanese counterparts, over a generation ago. All the same taunts, stereotypes and insults.
Now, coincidentally, this has always been a very Republican area. The GOP has ruled the political landscape here as long as I can remember. I’m not saying there is necessarily a correlation here, but I will say this. While knocking on doors during this Presidential election, I did not find one Asian American, not a single one, who said they were voting for a Republican. And I also did not talk to a single Hispanic who was going to vote for a Republican. And neither did I find a single Indian American who said they were planning on voting for a Republican.
Now I know all of this is kind of anecdotal. But it was my experience. And I think it is kind of telling, when put in the context of how the base of the GOP so openly embraces the shunning and demonization of people who are different than they are. I think that what I saw was simply a microcosm of what you point out in your post. It is so obvious. People I talked to told me that they felt like they were looked on as less than desirable by the local GOP and their Republican neighbors.
I don’t think any other conclusion can be drawn than the one you point to. It is racism.
As someone who falls in the demographic (half-Japanese), one of my biggest problems comes from the anti-intellectual strain that dominates the GOP base (and therefore the legislators they choose to represent them). Education is probably one of the most (if not the most) important things in an Asian household, and to look down on aspiring to getting grades and going to college – that’s a quick way to going nowhere.
It’s also been pointed out elsewhere, but Asian-Americans are also big on community and doing good for others. Conservatism in any strain is all about looking out for #1; everyone else can go suck on it, as the Wondrous Mustache of Wisdom would say.
Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein are promoting the same hereditarian ideas that were used by a Columbia University psychology professor (think his name was Perkins, but can find no references to his testimony) in opposition to Brown v. Board of Education.
It is junk science that seeks to cloak racism in scientific respectability, and after each further defeat of its premise fights with a slightly modified but fundamentally unchanged argument.
Murray should receive the same seriousness that Ann Coulter and Amity Schlaes deserve. The reputation of being rightwing shills and grifters.
Not worth the bandwidth that you and I have expended here, BooMan. Not worth it at all.
This is hilarious:
When you use crazy for branding, don’t be surprised when folks associate your brand with crazy. Don’t need some strange theories explaining this to prove your intellectual competence, Mr. Murray. Of course, you want to have it both ways–push the crazy and be intellectually respectable.
What? Murray is wrong?!?
Well knock me down with a bell curve.
Don’t underestimate the systematic targeting of whites, particularly exurban whites, by conservative propaganda. People of other races haven’t been indoctrinated to the degree white people have for three generations now.
So it’s not just that people of other races are picking up on the racism, it’s also that they haven’t been subjected, for decades, to propaganda tailored for them, convincing them to give up on the collective future of this country.
The good news is that it means the minority support for dems is much more than just skin deep, and won’t be easily shifted.
I think Paul Simon had Charles Murray in mind with the song “Still Crazy After All These Years.”
Maybe just the title.
You may be correct about the Asian vote, but if you are that gives the lie to the intellectual reputation of that group.
That the GOP base doesn’t like you is really a pretty stupid reason to vote for the Democrats.
Like voting against Al Gore in 2000 because he seemed like an arrogant dick in the debates.
Or for Kennedy over Nixon because Nixon looked tired and sweaty and seemed to need a shave in the first debate.
And as to both Latinos and blacks, I think you underestimate the extent to which they are sensible enough to be voting what are essentially their personal and class interests when they vote to protect safe public schools, Medicaid, Food Stamps, and the safety net in general.
There is no need to explain their votes by adverting to a conviction that they are not liked.
And such personal and class interests, too, readily explain why GOP efforts to win elections by disenfranchising Democrats that inevitably affect them heavily should entrench all the more deeply the commitment of both groups to the Dems.
It’s the votes of middle and upper class liberals – Asians, Jews, and others – that can’t be explained by appeal to personal interest or class solidarity.
And the votes of lower class whites who go GOP.
So you vote for people who tell you that you should be at the back of the bus? Sounds to me like you’re drinking the same brand of kool-aid.
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