It certainly looks like the Obama administration took 50 USC § 1861 and really ran with it. I don’t know what they told the judge, but in obtaining all domestic (not foreign) Verizon phone records for a three month period, they’ve made it to hard to envision how they could possibly need all that information if they are supposed to be limited to obtaining “foreign intelligence information not concerning a United States person.” They can only peek at U.S. citizens under this law if their concern is not solely related to First Amendment rights and the citizen has some connection to “international terrorism or clandestine intelligence activities.” At least, that’s how the law reads to me.
I suspect that Glenn Greenwald is correct that this kind of massive sweep is what Senators Mark Udall and Ron Wyden have been concerned about.
The law on which the order explicitly relies is the so-called “business records” provision of the Patriot Act, 50 USC section 1861. That is the provision which Wyden and Udall have repeatedly cited when warning the public of what they believe is the Obama administration’s extreme interpretation of the law to engage in excessive domestic surveillance.
In a letter to attorney general Eric Holder last year, they argued that “there is now a significant gap between what most Americans think the law allows and what the government secretly claims the law allows.”
“We believe,” they wrote, “that most Americans would be stunned to learn the details of how these secret court opinions have interpreted” the “business records” provision of the Patriot Act.
To be clear, these are not wiretaps. And it doesn’t cover the content of emails or text messages. But it is a record of every American Verizon user’s calls, texts, emails, and locations of where those messages were sent from and received. Since this is a leaked court order, I think we can safely assume that all the other phone carriers received a court order, too. We don’t know if this is a one-off thing or something that is re-upped every three months.
Whatever is going on, the judge is not supposed to grant the request unless he determines that the government has “reasonable grounds to believe that the tangible things sought are relevant to an authorized investigation (other than a threat assessment).”
So, somehow, every use of a phone in this country is relevant to an authorized investigation?
Now, in fairness, these types of requests are still subject to minimization requirements which govern the retention and dissemination of the information. Presumably, the government can’t keep this information forever, nor can they share information on a willy-nilly basis.
And it’s too much information for them to look at without running it through sophisticated computers, and those computers aren’t looking to see if you’re cheating your business partner or fooling around on your husband. But this is concerning nonetheless, because they’re using a provision of a law that is supposed to allow the government to snoop on business records in certain defined circumstances to sweep up every electronic communication in the country.
If I try to think of a legitimate reason for doing this, and one in which it is not ongoing but limited to a three-month window, I still have trouble fitting it into the parameters of this law.
For example, the need to test new data-mining equipment would be one reason, but not one related to an authorized investigation. I don’t think the American people want this level of intrusion, and I think it demands some kind of explanation.
I guess the grown ups don’t differ too much on civil liberties. In fact, I’d say Obama’s record looks worse in light of liberal criticism of Bush-era policies.
There seems to be a presumption that Obama has any real say in what the NSA is doing. Over the last fifty years the President has had no real say in what our intelligence services do.
In the Summer of 2008, when Congress debated FISA, it was pretty clear that a Republican wasn’t going to be elected in the Fall. Yet the Republicans were practically unanimous in voting for FISA. Did they decide to vote to give a Democratic President enormous powers of surveillance? Of course not. The powers of the CIA, DIA, NSA, etc. don’t accrue to the President.
Oh really?
So, collecting phone records is worse than wiretapping and listening in on conversations?
Getting warrants for searches is worse than unwarranted wiretaps?
Actually there’s evidence it was content.
Are taxpayers paying to store cat videos in the haystack?
Metadata allows network analysis of who you call often and for how long and established a network of phone numbers (and implied relationships). That could then be a focusing for a probable cause to generate a wiretap order.
Unlike Bush, Obama did go to the FISA Court for this order.
emptywheel’s speculation (labeled as such) is that it might have to do with cyberattacks on US businesses coming from within and outside the US.
Josh Marshall at TPM says the order came after the Boston Marathon bombings. I can understand the motive for that.
I can’t, given how broad the order is.
Of course, limiting the order in any way would tip something to anyone who was informed of the order. A blanket request would obscure any specific reason, shielding the motivation.
Anything is possible.
But its quite possible, even likely, that the timing was driven by the Boston Marathon bombing even if the motivation was not. Kind of like Iraq’s timing was driven by 9/11 because it created the opportunity, even though one had nothing to do with the other.
The request was made for phone records after the FBI recovered the bombers computer from the dump.
Considering all the connections between our intelligence community and the Boston bombing, shouldn’t the NSA just focus on Langley?
No wiretaps. Call logs. They are not listening or recording the conversations. They are collecting the telephone numbers.
Cute
Can’t recall the author of the article in the Rolling Stone during the Nixon era that summed up what US citizens should be paranoid about:
1. The government is always doing more bad things than you think it is,
at the same time that
2. The government is doing a lot less of the good things you think it is (or should be doing).
Example of 1: FISA violations, CIA black sites, rendition, torture
Example of 2: Katrina, Great Recession/Lesser Depression, regulation
Every which way, we’re screwed.
Any confidence that the government is doing the right thing in the right measure in the right way since Nixon is entirely misplaced
The question then is, where’s the problem? Is it with the judge or the law?
So you see no fault with the justice department?
No, I don’t like it but it appears they are acting within the law unlike what President Bush did. We need to fix the law and I think we can find some libertarian leaning Republicans to go with us on this one.
In this case, with the FISA law. What this is is a general warrant for everyone. Without specific probable cause. It is most clearly contrary to the spirit of the Fourth Amendment. But Congress authorized it.
The fact that it came through the FISA Court and is a warrant is a step forward over Bush administration practice, but is still a breathtaking legal order.
It’s the EXACT same thing that we criticized Bush for but with a little more sophistication. Like sprinkling Cartier cologne on a pig and trying to convince us that it smells good.
Actually, it is not what we criticized Bush for at all. He was ignoring the FISA court.
Yes, but we also criticized him for stepping on civil liberties in the name of national security, especially the provisions of the Patriot Act that made most of this possible.
We criticized the Patriot Act because it could allow things like this. But the NSA scandal was about going around the Judicial Branch.
That’s quite a step back from “the exact thing we criticized Bush for.”
You can say you don’t like something without contorting yourself in order to insist that it’s JUST LIKE BUSH!
Actually, it is not. Bush acted without Congressional legislation, which is what got James Comey to go to Ashcroft. And Bush apparently acted without consulting the FISA court.
There are questionable aspects. The issuance of a general warrant is one, but the FISA court order is a warrant that presumes, but because the judge’s reasoning is secret we don’t actually know, a probable cause.
The FISA court has been in operation since 1979 and was the remedy for the abuses carried out during the Cold War and up to the Church Commission investigation. So it is routine. Even this order was a routine request from the FBI on its face.
There are a lot of troubling aspects. This is asking for old metadata. The claim of imminency of attack cannot apply.
It is a straightforward fishing expedition. Get the contact information, analyze it for suspicious timing or suspicious networks. Get the business information to establish identity. Then, the likely next step is to get a standard wiretap order for the content.
But this is where it get interesting. Will that order allow the NSA to search already stored content obtained without warrants from it feeds from international switches, the situation that spawned the criticism of the Bush administration? Or is if for future conversations?
This makes a pro forma attempt to fall within the law but still stretches the definition of “reasonable” that is in the Fourth Amendment.
Makes one wonder about those (three?) cases where the FISA Court denied a government request. How blatant were they?
This provided some context, and it seems to have made the Boston bomber connection before Josh Marshall did:
http://joshuafoust.com/nine-dashed-off-points-on-the-nsa-scandal/
FWIW.
We are all criminals now? Awesome. Kind of matches up with the whole “wherever you go, you’re on video” thing.
I just expected more from this administration. As I expected, there are several posters here trying feverishly to explain this away. There is no possible justification for this.
Greenwald is SHRILL!!!! And Obama signed the Lily Ledbetter Act so he’s the most Progressive President EVAH! And GREENWALD!!!
OK, now how about an intellectual argument? I’m not impressed that you know how to use the exclamation point
key on your computer. Specifically, what is inaccurate about the article that Greenwald wrote?
GC is simply being sarcastic.
Ok, I see it now and I owe him an apology.
We are all criminals now?
Could you please drop the histrionics and try to have a reality-based conversation?
Does the state trooper using his radar gun to check the speed of every passing car mean “we are all speeders now?”
There are real issues raised by this investigation. Let’s actually try to talk about them instead of competing to see who can be the shriekiest.
Not your fault, but you’re beating up on CabinGirl who didn’t realize that I was signed in on her computer when she made that comment.
You write:
Actually…yes, it does.
First of all…with the average speed being driven in almost every part of the U.S. being more that 10MPH faster than the posted limits (except through small towns that are easily perceived speed trap threats), we are all (or almost all) speeders.
2-If you have ever tried to get a speeding ticket thrown out of court on the grounds that the cop who wrote was lying, you must know that any cop…any cop who wants to write a speeding ticket on any vehicle that is even remotely fast enough to violate any bullshit speed limit posted…can do so with impunity.
There are no real “laws,” joe.
As above, so below. And vice-versa. Speed surveillance to thought surveillance. No more U.S.A. Now it’s U.S.S. The United States of the Surveilled. Bet on it.
The only really surprising…and somewhat worrisome…aspect of this latest surveillance flap is that our lovely government is beginning to believe that the
suckers…err, ahhh, “citizens”…of this capital of empire are now so ground down by the hopelessness of it all that there ins no longer much need to hide the truth of the matter. Said truth is that we are now helpless in terms of any privacy whatsoever. Laws or no laws, the corporate-owned government is and has been spying on us all for a decade or more. Bet on that as well. If you have ever used a credit card to buy groceries that include toilet paper, they know what kind of toilet paper you prefer. And if you have ever used a credit card to buy a specifically left-handed or right-handed implement…a golf club, a baseball mitt, a pair of left-handed scissors…then they also know which hand you use to wipe your ass.Privacy?
Please.
Wake the fuck up.
AG
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You will always find them, however there is no substance for a link to the Boston Marathon bombing. These top secret court orders have been given over many years and in multiple instances. It does not relate to an imminent danger, as in case of the Times Square bomber and the use of military spy craft.
Confirmed: your second link has its facts wrong. The order did not cover all Verizon customers, which would be millions of Americans, but those Verizon Business Services. That means no home phones, and no ordinary cell phone accounts.
the NSA is conducting widespread, untargeted, domestic surveillance on millions of Americans
Nope.
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Ah, back to the halcyon days of FISA, telecoms and Greenwald fever, this time with a Dem prez and hypocritical braindead Repub Congress. Oy. This should make quite a stir and go on for months or until impeachment, whichever comes first. I thought this newly conferred prez power was going to be used “judiciously”…whatever will the offered explanation be? (and there will have to be an explanation.) Jeebus.
That this exact national security MO (sans court order) was patriotic heroism under Cheney will be lost on our Repubs, of course. But Obama/Holder have really stepped in the shit this time, and while a FISA judge apparently signed off on both the order and the DOJ’s (shall we say) very broad interpretation of the law, that doesn’t mean that they didn’t go too far. The shameless say-anything Repubs will have a field day with it, duh. Rand Paul probably fainted with ecstasy upon hearing the news. One can hear the morning braying of the TeaTurd Collective already.
The Repub nothingburgers can be wound up at this point, Issa. Here’s the beef, Repubs. Goddam it.
the difference here is they dotted their i’s and crossed their t’s by going to the court. Pretty hard to say they did something illegal. I think even the average american will get that, even if they don’t like the idea of it.
If it causes the GOP to pull back the laws that allowed this, great, but I doubt it. They want it too. You’ll hear from the libertarian wing for a while, as this is the sort of issue they can use to pretend to care while they ignore gross violations of women’s rights going on all around, but I don’t see congressional majorities there.
I agree that this will require Paul and his fellow Liberturdians to fish or cut bait on NSA data gathering.
But the Rightwing Noise Machine will hit maximum decibels on this, or they are incompetent.
GOP loves their creation. They’re down with the President having the power to snoop into their business; they know he won’t abuse it. But it will be there for their President (they hope) to use it like Nixon would have.
So far, from the GOP in Congress…crickets. Interesting for the folks who are always ranting about how the tyrant king is coming after them. For them, the only good issues are bogus issues.
However, NSA and FBI both have nasty habits of ignoring the the Constitution. Repeatedly, and like the CIA, have been chafing at the bit to roll back the reforms that came out of the Church Committee investigation so they could go back to the good old days of J. Edgar Hoover and Allen Dulles.
A few things to point out.
But still, Benghazi! Your points are well-taken but Benghazi! Will you hear anything remotely (Benghazi!) sensible from the (Benghazi! IRS! ACORN!) Press. BENGHAZI!!!!
I really find myself barely even caring about the actual news anymore, when the meta-narratives about that news are always so much more entertaining.
Guess how much “Now, in fairness…” would have been granted in, oh, let’s say 2006? None?
None. The story then, as the story should be now is that the NSA is absurdly powerful. And that our government more resembles paranoid technofascism than self-confident democracy. All this over a tiny, retrograde religious death cult. One that hasn’t even hit the West in years and years, and that’s not due to our all-encompassing phone monitoring skills…
WORD!
and that’s not due to our all-encompassing phone monitoring skills…
True. There are also the drone strikes.
And why am I seeing the words Obama and Bush so often, as though that has anything to do with anything?
The NSA is a continuous operation acting under the authority of a law passed twelve years ago and reauthorized by Democratic and Republican congresses and presidents alike.
A hearty lol to the clowns (and yeah, that was clown behavior) who grasped onto Tsarnaev with both hands without even realizing the leak only specified a commercial subsidiary of Verizon. The guy who’s telling the truth is the anonymous fucker in the Washington Post who was like “Oh yeah, this happens all the time, no big deal.”
Was anybody under the impression that the NSA ever stopped monitoring telecommunications? I didn’t even know that was an assumption we were supposed to have made. The NSA tries to track a gigantic portion of all electronic data on the planet always and forever, including all the outgoing and incoming and internal communication within our borders. That’s its job these days. I would think that 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of that data is completely useless, but I’m not a specialist in the field.
It’s not even about privacy; I don’t know that privacy can really even said to be compromised. It’s more the case that technology has empowered megalomania, and if other countries demonstrated similar capabilities the State department would label them police states and threats to human liberty. But then simultaneously, there’s Google.
What a mess.
We live in obscene times. Sporadic terrorists of any flag challenge a govt to simultaneously protect, chase and capture (capture in the blink of an eye I might add). These terrorist ghosts infiltrate our communities and just like serial killers across the street we just don’t recognize them.
I hate this. I hate what terrorists do to drive me and my govt to looking over shoulders. Our Congress approved renewal of the Patriot Act until ’17, they didn’t listen to Ron Wyden’s warnings.
Well, golly. That’s what asymmetric warfare is all about. Surprise and impact.
But…let’s do a risk analysis. The probability of a severe event affecting you and the severity of impact should that event occur.
How many times have serial killers lived across the street from you? How many times in your lifetime have you been directly or indirectly the victim of a serial killer.
How many people have you known injured or killed by automobile accidents or a medical condition compared to how many people you have known who are injured or killed by serial killers.
The fact that serial killing or terrorism is a rare occurrence on a planet of seven billion people is what makes it newsworthy and what gives the perpetrators power.
We have a culture that is hyping terror instead of dealing with it and in the process we are sacrificing some fundamental Constitutional rights and have been since the Red Scare of the 1940s. Remember, media had blacklists based on suspicion. Civil servants had to sign loyalty oaths.
you missed my point
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Do we also have a DIS Court? For domestic intelligence surveillance!
Judge Roger Vinson retired from his mandatory seven years term on May 3, 2013. In 2011 Judge Vinson rules ACA unconstitutional.
“Funny how things work out: The Tea Party hero who struck
down Obamacare also authorized the NSA Verizon warrant.”
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The NSA is most likely gathering all of that information to sift it in order to find out who some non-US person has been talking to.
I don’t have trouble imagining how that process is relevant to an ongoing investigation of a non-US person.
Nonetheless, this raises some troubling issues. The ability of the modern state to catalogue and cross-check information to establish patterns makes the old “outside of the envelope vs. contents of the envelope” distinction seem obsolete.
You need an explanation? Terrorism is the explanation. And I’m fine with this.
There is a quote from Benjamin Franklin that you just reminded me of.
“Madam, you shall forever remain special to me, but now I must away.”
Not that one.
So it turns out that Big Brother is not watching you.
Contrary to reports, the subject of the court order was not Verizon, but a unit called Verizon Business Services, which only handles commercial accounts. Not home phones, and not ordinary cell phone contracts.
The legal questions remain the same, but we can stop hyperventilating about the government snooping on everyone.
So, will those commercial accounts push back?
This is just routine, move along now.
To people who minimize this.
This data along with other stuff from the accounting systems combined with the Narus technology used pretty much paints a complete picture of someones interactions in the modern world. They also combine this with purchase data and almost anything they can match to an identity.
I support Obama, but his overall law enforcement agenda serves specific benefactors and has been disappointing to say the least.
Congress banned Total Information Awareness, they just renamed it.
Nice that Feinstein confirmed what should have been easy to surmise from the secret FISA approval:
It would be naive to assume that similar approvals don’t exist for other telecoms. Or that this is the full scope of NSA data dragnets. What’s the point of building a massive Data Center if massive quantities of date aren’t being collected?
My feeling is that this needs to be put in a much broader context, because I don’t see how we can have smart phones and the Internet without giving somebody an absurd amount of power, whether it’s the NSA or Chinese cyberspies or Google or Verizon or whoever. The technology just doesn’t work without giving certain entities control of massive amounts of data.
I’m not saying that’s all OK, but it’s something to keep in mind. At the very least, I don’t think it’s a good idea to expect any kind of privacy on the Internet.
But now even our voice calls go over the internet.
The next shoe to fall, the internet.
Bruce Schneier, The Problems with CALEA-II
So not only do you get warrantless wiretapping of your content 24/7, you also have a computer that is mandated by law to have its security compromised. And you can bet that that FBI is not the only folks who will be tempted to use that door.
All on the premise of “keeping us safe”.
ah more weak minds falling for greenwald’s pledge drive trolling.
Were that it were so. This is a bipartisan, three-branch-of-government erosion of the Constitution. That’s much more serious than any political gamesmanship.
You have a warrant–yes, it is a warrant this time–asserting that up to 145 million phone users are potential terrorists and as a consequence give up certain rights of privacy.
One of them might be you. Now, aren’t you interested in having some oversight to make sure that your information is not used arbitrarily to harm you? Don’t you want some real due process to be able to clear your name?
I would vote to impeach Obama and anyone else affiliated to the government for this.
Perhaps they’re looking for the Chinese that hacked into Obama’s and McCain’s campaigns computers.
And just to clarify whom the government is protecting the public from, it’s the public:
Security Expert: All Occupiers’ Phones Were Logged