I’m not going to argue that it is helpful to the Republican cause to have some of their male officeholders talking about masturbating fetuses or the sanctity of rape babies or saying that rape kits are a form of abortion. Your average woman is horrified when they hear Republican men say that wanting access to contraception makes you a slut or that it’s almost impossible to get pregnant while being raped. But I don’t know that this is really the biggest problem the Republicans have with women right now.
“For every step forward Republicans have taken to promote positive messages on jobs, the economy, the recent scandals or the negative impacts of ‘Obamacare,’ comments from a small handful of members—ranging from the unbelievable to the absurd—have drowned them out,” said a female GOP strategist. “These comments are scaring and alienating women, and it’s sad because conservative policies help women far more than liberal policies do.”
Republican women lawmakers are “growing increasingly frustrated,” according to one GOP lawmaker. The leadership needs to weigh in. “It’s not changing people’s minds, it’s just saying, ‘Hey, don’t say stupid things,’ ” the lawmaker said.
But that’s exactly the problem: Leadership hasn’t told anybody to knock it off, according to another GOP lawmaker.
“Nobody wants to stick their neck out too far,” the legislator said. “The problem is, nobody confronts members.”
I mean, yes, this stuff is toxic. But it’s nothing compared to what is going on at the state level. For example, right now, in Texas and Kansas we’re seeing an unprecedented assault on women’s reproductive health. Those states are hardly alone. Wherever the Republicans have the power to pass legislation over Democratic objections, they are attacking abortion rights and women’s access to reproductive health care. This harms women seeking to avoid pregnancy, women seeking to terminate a pregnancy (for any reason), and women seeking to have a healthy pregnancy.
I don’t think that most women are going to give the national Republican Party a pass just because these laws are being enacted by state-level Republicans. When a Republican governor signs a bill that compels women seeking an abortion to undergo a compulsory vaginal probe and then watch the resulting ultrasound, that reflects poorly on Republicans everywhere. And it’s real. It’s not just some stupid rhetoric.
When some local yahoo in Texas says that women should be denied rape kits because they had five months to make a decision about whether or not to carry their rape baby to term, you’ve entered Wonderland. A Rape Kit helps gather forensic evidence in the aftermath of a sexual assault. Rape Kits don’t abort fetuses. You don’t use them five months after the alleged crime. But these comments were made to defend real legislation. Real legislation that omits any exemptions for rape.
When local legislatures are passing one Rape Daddy’s Bill of Rights law after another, does it really matter what a few unhinged members of Congress have to say?
Terrible stuff out there. However, the problem is that no one is willing to say, clearly and cogently, that abortion is a good thing, that it is the right answer at times, and that more people should consider it.
When one side has the moral high ground, and the other side is going to cede that to them, the side which cedes that ground is on the defensive, and will gradually be driven back. When we grant the anti-choice forced birth fascists the moral high ground, and do not make clear statements about the moral nature of the pro-abortion side, we are going to lose. And we are losing right now.
The forced-birth fascists can say things like “Abortion is dreadful.” We all know that abortion is a good thing in specific circumstances. For instance, abortion is the right answer in the case of Down’s, Tay-Sachs, and about 20 other pre-existing conditions. It is the right answer, but no one will even say that.
If you are a single mom, and you have 2 children already, and you are pregnant, you should abort that child. I’ll say that, because the ALREADY BORN CHILDREN HAVE A STAKE IN THIS DEBATE. What about them?
We are just so beat down by this that no one will say “Abortion is good”.
What about you?
That’s a good point, although I’m not sure that we’re losing right now. We’re losing in the sense that Republicans are passing all these medieval laws wherever they can, but that doesn’t correlate with any kind of surge in anti-choice feeling in the general population. Public opinion is ultimately on our side.
But of course that isn’t your main point, and I agree that even something like “safe, legal, and rare” is conceding a little too much.
My own view is that abortion is a medical procedure. Aside from the question of when a blob of cells acquires rights, you could take all the specious arguments people make against abortion and make them against all kind of other medical procedures.
Like showing pictures of aborted fetuses? Anti-heart surgery activists could show vivid photos of coronary bypasses: Look at this! They cut your chest open and pry apart your ribs! How can we allow this in a civilized country?!?!?
An as far as the question of when life begins, the anti-choice view on that is strictly religious, which means abortion rights should be protected under the First Amendment.
Of course we are losing. You are confusing public opinion, which is one thing, with electability. Being pro-choice, or pro-abortion in my case, makes it very hard to be elected. Because you are always explaining, and when you are explaining, you are losing.
Democrats, at this time, cannot buy a seat in a rural district. This is WI, MI, IN, IL, OH, MN, IA, NY, CT, you name it. If you can see cows from where you are standing, there will be a repukeliscum in your state house and in your state senate. And until Democrats can figure out that, we will be losing at the state house and senate, and abortion access will be driven back.
This is true to some extent. But in North Dakota, Heidi Heitkamp was elected to the Senate and she’s pro-choice. It didn’t even seem to be an issue during the campaign. I’m not even sure what Dorgan and Conrad were, but I doubt the were real anti-abortion. Again, I can never even remember it being an issue in their campaigns.
I agree that in rural areas you don’t run on being pro-choice as a big part of your campaign. But you can be pro-choice and win.
You and most people do not understand rural areas. There is a HUGE DIFFERENCE between running state-wide and running at the State Senate and House levels. In ND, Heidekamp won by turning out the indians and the college kids in Fargo and Grand Forks. That happens in SD too (my home state).
However, you cannot win in the rural turfs that way. And that is where the abortion battle is being lost. Hundreds, even thousands, of rural areas in red and BLUE states are lost to the Repukeliscum, due to Democratic non-competitiveness. This is not a huge issue, but it is an issue. Until we can recover the moral high ground, it will continue to be a weak spot which makes Dems vulnerable.
Claimer: I ran for State Senate in 2012 in SD, and this did come up, at least once.
do the dem candidates even address the issues that concern rural voters?
Not in my opinion. The Democratic party is not addressing rural issues.
I hope you are planning to change that
And, just to be clear, I am talking about running for State Senate and State House, where these battles are being lost. PA, MI, WI, IN, IA, OH, even NY and IL, have solid Repukeliscum representation in the rural districts at the state level. And these are the people who are passing these terrible laws.
Many claim that we are losing due to gerrymandering. That is not true. Gerrymandering is the symptom of democratic failure to be competitive. If we were competitive, gerrymandering would not work.
Absolutely this. It’s not just rural areas either. I’m from Milwaukee and it’s just as true here as in the other states you mentioned. The only thing I would add to your comment is that gerrymandering is both the symptom of the Democratic failure to be competitive, and its cause.
freethoughtblogs.com/blackskeptics/2013/05/28/abortion-on-demand-and-without-apology/
We recognize that women are full human beings who must have the right – through unrestricted and unstigmatized access to birth control and abortion – to decide for themselves when and whether they will have children. We reject the view that a woman’s highest purpose and fundamental “duty” is to bear children, even those she does not want or cannot care for.
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We must rely on ourselves. We call on people everywhere to:
Yes. And society itself has an investment in the already born children as well as the mother. Add to that the Rep platforms that deny support for the families that will be forced to have that 3rd child.
I’m with you for the most part, but I have a clarifying question: do you mean that abortion is good in specific circumstances or that having the choice to have an abortion is good in specific circumstances? I believe the latter (and I think you might, too), but it’s a harder message because it’s more nuanced.
I refuse to get dragged into this kind of useless pilpul. Abortion is a good choice in many circumstances. There are many circumstances where it is the best choice, and thus, in those situations, abortion is an absolute good.
And, to be more clear, if you are pro-choice or pro-abortion like me, you should be willing to say that abortion is the best choice in many circumstances. After all, what good is the ability to make a choice if the choice is never the best? What good is the choice if we cannot say “Abortion is the best choice for you, and you should have one” ?
No one wants to have to tell Rush and friends to STFU. That’s where it is. The crazies are grandstanding to the amplifiers.
The person making the comment about the rape kit “cleaning” out the area just happens to be a woman. Which makes it wor5se IMO.
Seems to me one of the major problems with this discussion on the DC level is that it’s clear it’s a substitute for actually passing legislation pertaining to jobs. Failure of the farm bill is a major event in that regard i’d say. on the state level the connection between jobs and the legislators works differently. my 2 cents
don’t think that most women are going to give the national Republican Party a pass just because these laws are being enacted by state-level Republicans. When a Republican governor signs a bill that compels women seeking an abortion to undergo a compulsory vaginal probe and then watch the resulting ultrasound, that reflects poorly on Republicans everywhere. And it’s real. It’s not just some stupid rhetoric.
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