Without meaning to be disrespectful of Islam, I think Islamism as a political phenomenon, grew out of a very constrained set of circumstances where traditional Islamic societies were confronted first with superior Western technology that overwhelmed them militarily, and then with a binary choice of embracing the secular culture of the colonial West of the atheistic ideology or the ostensibly anti-colonial communist powers.
Whether Islam was deemphasized for practical reasons, as in Turkey, or for ideological reasons, as with the Ba’ath parties, it came to be disrespected among elites as a viable all-encompassing way of organizing society. Personal piety was welcome, but a society based on Sharia law alone, was not.
For a devout Muslim, however, the choice between East and West in the Cold War left no satisfactory answer. Communism was a heresy, yet it was the only “anti-colonial” force with any juice. On the other hand, the communist powers were not really anti-colonial at all. Complicating things, the lack of dynamic political systems and debate within most Islamic countries prevented an indigenous modern ideology from taking root. If there was a political middle way, it didn’t have the oxygen to grow. So, instead, we saw the rise of top-down ideologies like Pan-Arabism, which relied more on ethnic solidarity than religious orthodoxy. And, in any case, Pan-Arabism did nothing for Persians and Pakistanis.
Even prior to the collapse of communism, we saw two developments that would foretell the rise of Islamism. The rallying cry for jihad against the Godless communist invasion of Afghanistan was one side of the story. The other was the hijacking, by the Shiite clergy, of the Iranian revolution that overthrew the pro-Western Shah. Both efforts led to at least short-term success, which is more than one could say for Nasser’s confrontation with Israel.
Perhaps better adherence to Islamic law and principles was the key to success. This was certainly the view of the Muslim Brotherhood throughout the Cold War. Yet, in the aftermath of the Cold War, with the “anti-colonial” side in collapse, there was no political outlet for those who opposed their governments and thought Islamism was the answer. As representative governments flourished in Europe, East Asia, and Latin America, it appeared as if a similar development was precluded in the Middle East.
When Islamists seemed poised to win elections in Algeria, the elections were cancelled. But this was never a natural solution for Islamists, as the following comment from a disgruntled Egyptian makes clear.
After a night of deadly clashes at Cairo University that accompanied the takeover, some ultraconservative Islamists gathered there said their experiment in electoral politics — a deviation from God’s law to begin with — had come to a bad end.
“Didn’t we do what they asked,” asked Mahmoud Taha, 40, a merchant. “We don’t believe in democracy to begin with; it’s not part of our ideology. But we accepted it. We followed them, and then this is what they do?”
It’s easy to laugh at the lack of self-awareness in that comment, as the backlash against the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt was largely about their lack of respect for fundamental democratic principles like minority rights, and respect for a pluralistic society, and consensus-building. But the Morsi government was also an experiment with channelling traditional Islamist ideology into a democratic form to see if the two could be melded and develop together.
From my admittedly Western point of view, it appears that Islamism is an ideology for a situation in which democracy is not an option. It’s not so much that Islamism isn’t compatible with democracy, because that still remains to be seen. It’s that Islamism isn’t needed in a democratic system. And it hasn’t developed to be consistent with democratic values, so it needs time to evolve as an ideology before it can work within such a system.
Yet, the Islamists are concluding that pursuing politics is fruitless.
Sheik Mohamed Abu Sidra had watched in exasperation for months as President Mohamed Morsi and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood bounced from one debilitating political battle to another.
“The Brotherhood went too fast, they tried to take too much,” Sheik Abu Sidra, an influential ultraconservative Islamist in Benghazi, Libya, said Thursday, a day after the Egyptian military deposed and detained Mr. Morsi and began arresting his Brotherhood allies.
But at the same time, Sheik Abu Sidra said, Mr. Morsi’s overthrow had made it far more difficult for him to persuade Benghazi’s Islamist militias to put down their weapons and trust in democracy.
“Do you think I can sell that to the people anymore?” he asked. “I have been saying all along, ‘If you want to build Shariah law, come to elections.’ Now they will just say, ‘Look at Egypt,’ and you don’t need to say anything else.”
To put this another way, the idea that “building Shariah law” was the correct solution developed over a long period of time in a context where other solutions had either been unavailable, or had been tried and failed. What is needed is an example of something that does work.
For now, the Islamists are convinced that democracy is just one more failure. Political engagement is a dead end. At the same time, for those on the fence, Islamism has never looked less promising. In a period of rising sectarian strife, this is a dangerous development. It’s dangerous but also hopeful. It’s hopeful because one of the main reasons that Egypt’s first try at democracy failed is that too many Egyptians placed their faith in Islamism. Their loss of influence and credibility improves Egypt’s chances for the second go-round.
At least our Quakers – among other sects and religions – took the progress of individual, civil, and human rights, and technology, in stride, and just sort of secluded themselves.
And, if the Islamists are about to give up on politics, is there any nope that our Dominionist Christian Evangelicals will follow in their footsteps?
Yeah… I know.
LOL!
Sometime I even crack myself up!!!
At least maybe, since the Islamists can’t even get Sharia Law passed throughout the Middle East, we can stop worrying about it passing in NC, OK, TX, etc.
the Muslim Brotherhood gained popularity, not because of religiousness, but because of all the ‘ on the ground’ grassroots services that they provided for the ‘little people’ that the government failed to do. Those that had been helped by them over the years thought that they would transfer what they had done on the ground, to the larger government.
They didn’t expect them to go all ‘relgious’ on them. (Yeah, I know…everything I’d read about them said they would..but then, I’m a Westerner).
The disconnect between what made them popular and what they tried to do when they actually got to power, is what turned folks against them.
It’ a very conservative thing to do, start with the answer and try to make the world conform to it. That is what Morsi tried in Egypt. I fear there are so many of that ilk in the Middle East that building new governmental institutions based on democratic ideals forced into a Sharia mold will simply fail again and again.
That’s a good way of putting it–they’ve already decided that Shariah law is the answer. In fact, the statement “If you want to build Shariah law, come to elections” is self-contradictory. At the very least, you have to recognize the rights of others to say “If you don’t want Shariah law, come to elections.”
The point is that once you’ve committed yourself to regularly holding free and fair elections, you’ve also committed yourself to taking what you get. If you don’t like the results you try again next time. The one thing that isn’t permissible is to stop holding elections.
I don’t always agree with your comments on politics beyond US shores, Booman, but this is a very well written and considered piece. It contains a lot of generalisations which I am unsure of, but then any attempt to analyse a complex situation in 1000 words must do so.
What interests me are the parallels between political Islamism and US religious conservativism: Both seem to regard democracy as a means to an end, and are not slow to pervert, subvert and game “democracy” if that furthers their agenda. Both have nothing but contempt for liberal democratic values and seek to demonize rather than respect their foes. For both, politcs is war by another means, which is why they hate Obama and his “bipartisanship” so – seeing it has weakness unbecoming a cultural and religious warrior.
Nevertheless it is surely ironic that western “liberals” broadly approve a military coup which by definition overturns democracy. It is as if democracy for Arab states is only ok if it produces the right result. In the US religious conservatives appear to be busy taking over the military and using it to subvert democracy if possible. Perhaps they have realised that their theocratic dream state is no longer possible by democratic means. Presumably Islamists will now draw a similar conclusion and seek to gain more influence over the military instead.
“Democracy” is a slippery word that means different things to different people. If it is taken to mean(as it seems to mean to the Muslim Brotherhood) untrammeled majority rule used to impose the will of the majority on everyone and on all aspects of life, with no protection for dissent or for the rights of minorities, then no genuine liberal can or should support it. Many things about our own Constitution are antiquated and dysfunctional, but we can be grateful that our founding fathers had no use for that kind of “democracy” and were determined to guard against it.
Democracy in the west took many centuries to evolve. First it was an attempt to reduce the divine right of kings to rule as they wished bu giving some rights to nobles and commoners. The vote was restricted to free men and the propertied classes.
Gradually the doctrines of equality before the law, the separation of powers, minority rights, human rights, freedom of religion and speech etc. were developed and incorporated into constitutions although it should be noted that the UK still doesn’t have a written constitution if you don’t count the Magna Carta (1215).
Given all that, it is hardly surprising that countries with little tradition of democracy take some time to evolve similar rights and traditions, and their democracies should be judged not against some arbitrary or western standard of “best practice”, but on whether they are an improvement on what went before.
In this context, the CU judgement (which equates corporations with people, and money with free speech) and the recent Voting Rights act judgement which makes voter suppression and gerrymandering easier should be seen as a step backwards – almost akin to a judicial coup.
Given all that we should be careful about casting stones at other democracies even if they don’t meet ideal or western standards of “best practice”. They may be an improvement on what went before.
I suspect that if you were a woman or a Coptic Christian in Egypt you might be a bit less philosophical about the MB’s version of democracy.
Depends on what the alternatives are – military dictatorship, rule by militias…
This western liberal was just fine with the religious conservatives winning the elections and implementing a program I personally dislike. I’ve yet to see a single liberal who expressed support for a coup just because we didm’t like what the MB was doing.
Has Obama condemned the coup?
Why would he?
Remember, Obama is simultaneously pro-MB because of their help in the brief Gaza war this spring (we were saying nice things about them until like two weeks ago) and pro-coup because the US is always pro-coup, pro military.
Because what the US gov’t does, and what we think, is the motor for everything that happens overseas.
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Yes, Morsi took the limelight and remember Hillary “begging” support from Morsi in Cairo. Clearly Morsi made a lot of enemies in that time period negotiating for a peace settlement!
Fatah calls on Palestinians to overthrow Hamas in wake of Morsi’s fall
Hamas, Hezbollah planned jail break that freed Morsi
GCC States Welcome Ouster Of Egypt’s President Mursi
Are we now taking the diplo-speak statements from the White House as the measure of liberal opinion? I don’t even think that touchy-freely first-do-no-harm gruel expresses actual White House opinion.
If you want a better idea of the White House’s stance towards Morsi before Egypt’s crisis, as opposed to reacting to this fait accompli, you should look at our relations in the aftermath of Morsi’s election. For instance, Obama and Morsi collaborating to achieve that cease fire in Gaza.
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I haven’t the faintest idea what BooMan is writing about Islam, it’s just not his cup of tea.
There are too few scholars on Islam in an advisory role to the Obama administration. Hillary Clinton made the mistake to use her “knowledge and experience” of the Clinton years and Bosnia/Kosovo conflict, using the same old advisors and set out to overthrow Assad as the Neocon cabal had advocated. The Clintons made the conflict in Syria far worse, John Kerry is trying his best to change the equation. He can’t get results without a major adjustment in his alliance in the Middle-East.
The overthrow of Morsi by popular demand in Egypt is an exceptional move which could make life much easier to solve most ME conflicts from the Arab states to Jordan, Syria and Lebanon.
No way that any American group thought the coup in Egypt could be supported as in made a “mockery of a democracy.” Here @BooMan and @TikunOlam, there was no support whatsoever. Only @InformedComment of Prof. Juan Cole there seemed to be a balance of 50/50.
The Arab Gulf States were split along sectarian lines as I commented earlier – Winners and Losers.
The so-called Syrian National Council invented by the British/French/American alliance was never united or got credibility, it will fall apart completely.
A great day for the Egyptians, hopefully the bloodshed will be limited.
Brief history of the Muslim world and the Rise of Islamism or Political Islam
Don’t confuse Islamism with fundamentalist Wahhabism or militant Jihad.
See my diary – BREAKING: Military Coup Underway in Egypt.
And Egypt Army Gives Mursi 48 hrs to Compromise.
Earlier I wrote – US Administratons’ Failure to Distinquish Strands of Islam.
Fall and Rise of the Muslim Brotherhood
The jihadists are often called the Soldiers of Allah. In historical context perhaps in the same sense as the crusaders marching on Jerusalem or Pizarro‘s men subjugating the Inca’s of South America. Politics and religion are a poor mix, but wasn’t the US Constitution written with French culture and philosophy in mind? The US had its War of Independence, perhaps America is still waiting for the 2nd Revolution and a period of Enlightenment.
Hillary Cllinton’s policy toward Syria, upon taking office, was not to pursue regime change as you keep insisting, but to pursue a normalization of relations and a peace deal between Syria and Israel. Before the Arab Spring uprisings, the administration was no more pursuing regime change in Syria than in Egypt. In fact, Clinton was still calling Assad a reformer well after the Baathists had started killing protesters.
Also, the link you provide to demonstrate BooMan’s hostility towards the coup, in alleged contrast to Dr. Cole’s take, reads, “It’s hard to say if that’s a good or bad thing.”
Yeah, I have no idea what Oui is talking about. While I was generally supportive of this military action, I urged caution in interpreting it and made clear that the results are unknowable.
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Joe is as elusive as the Australian black parrot!
I clearly stated bloggers @Booman, etc. Nothing personal about BooMan’s position on the coup, here was the follow-up story by Booman – Officially, a Non-Endorsement of the Coup. Same goes for the bloggers Richard Silverstein and Prof. Juan Cole.
You linked to a specific post, one that said exactly the opposite of what you asserted.
And no other blogger has written a single word on this site about the coup, besides BooMan.
So no, you weren’t talking about these mysterious other bloggers. You were talking about BooMan, and it doesn’t make you look any less wrong to respond like this.
Saudi Arabia is a Sharia Law country. The royals have control of money/economy and the military. Sharia Law runs the courts. The Muslim Brotherhood seems to be nothing more than a vocal opposition. They are unable to get control of the Saudi military because the royals make their children the generals/officers and the pilots of the aircraft.
Frank, the theocrats here seem to have lots of influence with our military but, their war fighting in Iraq and Afghan. was so 20th century. The theocrats had our troops driving in poorly armored vehicles getting blown up by IEDs. It took Obama to show them how to use 21st century drones instead of boots on the ground.
Without meaning to be disrespectful of Christianity, I think Christianism as a political phenomenon, grew out of a very constrained set of circumstances where traditional Christian societies were confronted first with superior Western scientific thought that overwhelmed them ideologically, and then with a binary choice of embracing the secular culture of the totalitarian capitalist West of the atheistic ideology of the ostensibly anti-capitalist totalitarian communist powers.
The roots are the same. Martin Marty completed his study of the phenomenon a decade ago after a decade’s research.
The political debate is about the role of religion, especially traditional religion, in pluralistic states, especially ones with a constitutionally stated tolerance of religion. And the debate within religious communities echoes some of the arguments the Herbert Marcuse made about repressive tolerance. That’s where the anxiety among religious folks is coming from. And everywhere there is that anxiety, there are partisan politicians tempted to exploit it to gain cultural status, political power, or economic goodies.
You will witness a change when there are new Islamic sects that go beyond Wahabism and Salafism, maybe picking up strands of tolerance from medieval Islam, maybe incorporating some aspects of Sufism, maybe figuring a theological way of getting around the Sunni-Shi’a schism. It will occur in religion before it occurs in politics. And we have yet for political Islam to present its face in US politics in part because the Muslim communities in the US live in fear of government surveillance of any political discussions.
Perhaps we could help that process along by pressuring our Saudi “friends ” into cutting off their massive financial support for salafist movements all around the world.
would be great also if US Christian Churches stopped supporting African Churches which support the death penalty for gays…
It surely would.
Excellent comment.
I missed one other point. The traditionalist anxiety is focused on sexual ethics and the traditional role of women precisely because traditional religion is the ideological underpinning of patriarchal social forms. It is sexual politics as much as colonial politics.
“Christianism.”
Nice.
“Islamism” is all over the place…as a pejorative more often than not. “Christianism?” Not so much, but the U.S. was very much a “Christianist” country through much of its shameful past…like say the slavery thing or the Native American semi-genocide?
So let us ask ourselves.
Is “Christianism” very Christian? You know…as in the teachings of Jesus Christ as far as we know them?
I think not.
Nor is “Islamism” as we see it in so-called “Islamist” countries like Saudi Arabia in any way a direct application of what we know of Mohammed’s teachings.
So I for one am going to stop using either term.
Thank you for the brain-jog, Tarheel.
Later…
AG
Getting that separation of church and state thingy right, the US founding fathers were hardly enlightened as only propertied men had voting rights and property for many of those men included slaves. And those propertied male voters did impose all sorts of bad laws derived from their WASP religion. Let’s also not forget that it wasn’t until 1960 that a non-WASP was elected POTUS.
Boo and apparently Bobo (NYT op-ed that I refuse to waste one of my freebies on to read) lament an anti-democratic ethos among Islamists. (As if US christianists aren’t the evil twins of Islamists.) There’s a far more nuanced and thoughtful piece at the WSJ, After The Coup In Cairo, until the delusional final paragraph:
Also ignorant as the ousting of Mubarek was a rejection of his neo-liberal, “free market,” economic policies.
The folks in the 18th century got that separation of church and state thing right specifically because of the 15th through 17th centuries.
Islam has a period of exhaustion after the Sunni-Shi’a schism too.
What we have 200 years after our Founding Fathers is a forgetting born of the propaganda against “godless Communism”. Countering the “social gospel” that supported labor is what the Christianists were all about. It is no accident that the Fundamentals were funded by a California oil millionaire.