Look, David Corn pretty much had to rebut Mitt Romney in exactly that way he did, by pointing out that Romney’s explanation of his 47% comments is totally at odds with the historical record. But something important is missed as long as we continue to look at the 47% remarks literally. Yes, those statements were incredibly callous and revealing, but they were also indicative of a failure of analysis on a massive scale. Romney wasn’t just saying that Obama was going to be pretty much guaranteed 47% of the vote, which was correct. Romney was attempting to explain why Obama was guaranteed 47% of the vote and who the 47% were on the socioeconomic scale. And that’s where he was way off.
Flip it around. Remember four years earlier when Barack Obama was asked at a private San Francisco fundraiser about how to appeal to white working class folks? Here’s what he said:
“We’ve got a couple of folks who are heading out to Pennsylvania to go door to door with us. And the question was: What kinds of questions should I expect them to get? … The places where we are going to have to do the most work are the places where people feel most cynical about government. The people are misapprehend—I think they’re misunderstanding why the demographics in our—in this contest have broken out as they are. Because everybody just ascribes it to “white working-class don’t want to work—don’t want to vote for the black guy.” That’s—there were intimations of that, there was an article in the Sunday New York Times today that kind of implies that it’s sort of a race thing. …
“Here’s what it is: In a lot of these communities in big industrial states like Ohio and Pennsylvania, people have been beaten down so long, they feel so betrayed by government, that when they hear a pitch that is premised on not being cynical about government, there’s a part of them that just doesn’t buy it. And when it’s delivered by—it is true that when it’s delivered by a 46-year-old black man named Barack Obama, then that adds another layer of skepticism. (Audience laughs.)
“But—so the questions you’re most likely to get are going to be: ‘Well, you know, what’s this guy going to do for me? What’s the concrete thing?’ And what they want to hear is—you know, so we’ll give you talking points about what we’re proposing: to close tax loopholes and roll back, you know, the top—the tax cuts for the top 1 percent. Obama’s going to give tax breaks to middle-class folks, and we’re going to provide health care for every American. You know, we’ll have a series of talking points.
“But the truth is that our challenge is to get people persuaded that we can make progress when there’s no evidence of that in their daily lives. You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, Ohio—like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years, and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration and the Bush administration. And each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are going to regenerate. And they have not. So it’s not surprising then that they get bitter, and they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy toward people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment, or, you know, anti-trade sentiment [as] a way to explain their frustrations.
“Now, these are in some communities. You know, I think what you’ll find is that people of every background—there are going to be a mix of people. You can go in the toughest neighborhood, you know, working-class lunch-pail folks, and you’ll find Obama enthusiasts. And you can go into places where you’d think that I’d be very strong, and people will just be skeptical. The important thing is that you show up and you’re doing what you’re doing.”
That’s a completely different way of looking at the electorate. Obama knew that there were areas of the country where he wasn’t going to do very well, but he also knew that he could finds votes in every community. He didn’t think that every person who was getting public assistance was going to vote for him; he knew, in fact, that whole regions where most people get assistance were going to mainly vote against him. These devastated communities in the Rust Belt and Appalachia where the government had let the people down were not going to be all that receptive to his message of hope. And, yeah, his race and funny name were not going to be helpful, either. But he rejected that as the main obstacle.
Obama also knew, because many of them were flooding his campaign with money, that plenty of people in the top 1% were very supportive of his campaign. He had a realistic picture of the electorate, and that made it possible for him to do a very good job of going out and getting votes.
Romney probably wasn’t as stupid as he sounded. He was, after all, responding to a first-rate penis of a man who was bitching about all the non-productive takers in our country who just want handouts. Romney was pandering when he accepted that man’s premises. But the truth was that Romney was going to get the vast bulk of the evangelical vote and the southern vote and the white working class vote, most of whom were in the 47% he was deriding. So, an intelligent answer to the man’s question would have included some explanation of how he was actually going to win over voters who were not yet sold on his campaign, and it would have had nothing to do with their income level.
Even the 47% number was deeply misleading, because it included everyone on Medicare and Social Security who had already worked their whole lives and were enjoying retirement. It included the disabled who couldn’t work. He was basically saying that most people over 65 would never vote for him and that he’d never get the support from a single disabled vet. He was including people who had been laid off in the Great Recession.
Romney’s comments were incredibly insulting, but they weren’t just insulting to the 47%. They were insulting to every politically knowledgable person’s intelligence.
And Romney’s new defense of those comments did nothing to improve the situation.
Romney probably wasn’t as stupid as he sounded.
You are being kind. Based on every comment he’s made over the last 4 years – plus those of his core group of rich supporters – he and his group absolutely believed that 47% paid $0 in federal taxes while taking in all kinds of government payments.
It’s utter bullshit, and I’m extremely disappointed in the Democrats for doing a weak job of explaining it. I guarantee that there are tea partiers who were livid about the 47% without realizing that they were included in that percentage – I guarantee it because I know several personally.
In 2009, at the peak of the recession, 53% of tax returns included some federal income tax. Another 28% paid FICA (social security) and/or medicare. 10% were retired and receiving social security and medicare payments as a return on taxes they’d paid through their working lives. That leaves on 9% not paying taxes or not receiving a return on taxes paid – which included students and long-term unemployed.
The confusion – and you can bet it was intentional – was to split hairs with the federal income tax versus the other two types. All three are included on your 1040/1040A/1040EZ and combined into one tax number. Thus, when people heard “no federal income taxes” they naturally translated that to “no taxes on their 1040 forms”.
But Romney, like so many others on the far right, took it one step further. He forgot about the retired folk and assumed that the 47% was of the working populate. Ironically, the 10% of non-taxpayers who were retired folk voted for Romney by the largest margin of any age segment.
As we’ve said before, the essential problem today is that the right wing, including all their best and brightest like Romney, universally and firmly believes stuff that is not only false, it’s obviously false if you even think about it for just a few minutes.
Maybe he believed it. He definitely marinated his brain in right-wing media. But he actually is a smart guy who is good with numbers and loves to lie.
I don’t think he was taken in. I think he thought it was a great talking point. And he thought it was off the record.
It’s so hard to know what (if anything) Romney believed because he’s such a salesman, always trying to figure out what his audience wants to hear so he can give it to them. The guy probably doesn’t really know (or care) what he believes. He just wants to close the deal.
In that sense, he’s not entirely unlike Bill Clinton. But Clinton was beyond charming. Clinton was incredibly good with people. Clinton enjoyed the company of others. Romney, by contrast, was awkward and cold. He didn’t seem the least bit curious about others or about life or about anything without dollar signs or the presidency attached to it.
He’s nothing like Clinton. Clinton is genuinely smart (Rhodes Scholar, etc.), genuinely self-made, and genuinely likeable and charismatic.
Don’t you remember all those campaign stops last year? Nobody likes Romney; even his supporters couldn’t warm to him. He’s a loathsome creep from a rich, privileged, very well connected family.
(And let’s contrast the two wives, while we’re at it.)
I don’t know where this “smart guy” concept comes from. So many arbitrarily rich/successful people are viewed as “smart” when they really just have a form of cunning or canniness, as well as a certain kind of phony “charisma” that plays well in business contexts (which Romney obviously has in spades).
I’ve encountered people like Romney personally and professionally; they may be really good at “owning a room” or swaggering around tossing out numbers and “business concepts” (about “growth” or whatever) but get them onto any real topic and you get a blank stare. I don’t think Romney has any idea what’s actually going on, outside his extremely narrow, predatory focus.
Good with numbers??????
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2012/11/10/23659/595
Romney probably wasn’t as stupid as he sounded.
GreenCaboose is right. Romney didn’t misspeak and he wasn’t simply pandering to the audience. His entire campaign strategy was based on the makers vs. takers theory that has been embraced by the Republican party. This is a man born to extreme wealth who believes he is a self-made man. And he is contemptuous of the rest of us who haven’t similarly lifted ourselves up by our bootstraps.
I also challenge Booman’s assertion that Romney is good with numbers. Romney honestly believed that 47% of the population pays no taxes, which was false. He also believed that those 47% constitute are interchangeable with the base of the Democratic party, which is doubly false. He further decided that these 47% were simply too lazy and dependent on government handouts to take responsibility for themselves.
This is evidence of a man who is very sloppy with numbers. Not knowing what he was talking about was a big part of his failure in electoral politics.
I just figured Romney was born with car elevators for bootstraps and didn’t know or notice the difference.
There’s something almost breathtakingly impressive about the right-wing’s ironclad heuristic model that binds race, entitlement, and (necessary) gun violence together in an endless sealed loop.
It guarantees that no reasonable argument can penetrate beyond the base, gutter-level biases of even the most erudite conservatives. No matter what, in the end it all comes down to the same questions: liberals/progressives = minorities = recipients of “handouts” = criminals = those from whom we must protect ourselves and our assets by means of handguns; Obama = minority President = “bribing” constituents = taking away guns.
You almost don’t need the additional layer of religiosity (Obama = muslim = un-American = 9/11 = take away your guns) in order to make it work. It’s just this vile message to the hindbrain that oscillates in conservatives’ minds and warps everything they think.
Yeah it was the whole package that made the biggest impression on me. It was about selling one big conspiracy theory based on racial animosity. And Romney embraced it more than once. The wacky elements that were packed into the 47% remarks are almost too many too mention. Some that are not often explicitly mentioned include:
Idiots should start funding Democratic challengers in Georgia and Kentucky.
The fact that a Romney was even running for president was an insult to our entire American culture- not to mention candidates Bachman, Santorum, Perry, etc. The fact that these people are even noticed by the rest of us means our culture has given up on itself. There is an adage about groups that our systems of communication has exploited effectively: individuals within a group fall to the level of lowest common denominator among them.
What I like about your comment is its breadth and scope.
More people need to respond to Romney (and to the entire apparatus he represents) with this degree of rage and scorn. These are literally the people ruining the world.
Bit of a tangent, but yesterday comments were made by the boobs (of boob-tube) re. a 47% illiteracy rate in Detroit, which is as ever highly misleading cherry-picking: 47% of the country is by definition – incapable of reading and following instructions to properly fill out a job application – functionally illiterate.
Funny how that number keeps coming up, though.