I’ve been saying for a while that President Obama simply doesn’t agree with most of the bipartisan American foreign policy establishment that Syria represents the central battlefield in a regional struggle between Sunnis and Shiites or, especially, a proxy battle between the United States and Russia, or Iran. The president doesn’t want Iran to get a nuclear weapon because he opposes the proliferation of nuclear weapons, but that is about as far as he sees America’s interests coinciding with Israel and Saudi Arabia’s obsession with Iran.
I don’t want to minimize the danger of Iran obtaining a nuclear weapons capability, but we need to understand that Iran’s nuclear program has been used by Israel and Saudi Arabia to isolate and weaken Iran for reasons that go far beyond the fear of a nuclear-armed Iran. If you don’t believe me, just look at two quotes in tonight’s New York Times, one from an Israeli and one from a Saudi:
“The most critical problem with Iran is its aim of achieving nuclear weapons, but the problem with Iran is wider,” added Mr. [Yuval] Steinitz, who led Israel’s delegation in a boycott of Mr. Rouhani’s speech last week at the United Nations. “Iran is not a peace-seeking country or regime — on the contrary. Iran is maybe the most aggressive country in the world, and it’s not just against Israel.”
“There is a lot of suspicion and even paranoia about some secret deal between Iran and America,” said Jamal Khashoggi, a prominent Saudi journalist who is close to the royal family. “My concern is that the Americans will accept Iran as it is — so that the Iranians can continue their old policies of expansionism and aggression.”
Mr. Khashoggi is honest enough to admit that his main worry is that the United States accepts Iran “as it is.” He means “as it is,” just with the nuclear threat greatly diminished. In other words, he wants the U.S. and Iran to be adversaries for reasons that go beyond nuclear weapons. Mr. Steinitz says basically the same thing. Regardless of nuclear weapons, Iran is very aggressive.
Now, I don’t want to dismiss concerns about Iran’s aggression, but it seems to come in two main types. They advocate on behalf of Shiites in countries like Bahrain, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and Lebanon, and they wage proxy wars mainly against Israel, but also in Syria and Lebanon. This may demonstrate a degree of aggression, but it’s not the kind of aggression that involves outright invading and trying to subjugate their neighbors.
If I had to identify Iran’s most negative impact on the world and the region, it has been their promotion of a form of political Islam that has had wide appeal among Sunnis and has encouraged the growth of Islamist groups in Arab countries, some of whom have turned to terrorism. But I’d have to admit that Saudi Arabia is even more culpable in this regard.
Overall, the period of official U.S.-Iranian antagonism that has existed since the Shah fled in 1979 has been one of increasing radicalism and dysfunction, and it doesn’t seem to have served anyone well.
Everyone has become accustomed to their assigned roles and no one seems to be able to think creatively in a way that might stop this tailspin. But the president is willing to think differently. He’s willing to reject what everyone else seems to think is obvious. For this, he gets called naive. The best evidence that the president is on the right path is that he is being insulted by the people who are invested in pursuing a sectarian war or who think that we are in a proxy battle on the side of the Sunnis against Russia and Iran.
We could be in such a battle, but we aren’t for one simple reason. The president decided that we aren’t.
You wrote “it has been their promotion of a form of political Islam that has had wide appeal among Sunnis,” but don’t you mean Shiites?
No, I don’t. That goes without saying. Iran’s political Islam has served as an inspiration to all Muslims, even Sunnis. That was my point.
Got it — the political drive welded to the religion, regardless of sect.
Sorta like Reagan with the moral majority, IE Jerry Falwell, and Pat Roberson ET AL here in the good ole USA USA USA.
That ongoing over three decade religious jihad they have waged against the separation of religion and politics,m with their dog whistle attacks blended in.
Damn skippy. Right and left can agree we don’t need to be mercenaries for the Israelis or the Saudis.
Had quite a shock reading the name Khashoggi as I’ve had a bit of personal experience with Adnan Khashoggi and if the two are related (ages work for this to be father and son) then it adds an interesting twist. The Times article, as intriguing as it reads, is only hitting the crust on what has been a man who created the word ‘player’ on the world stage.
Iran/Contra, right?
Yes, but as the article points out, Iran contra was only one of many many and that’s just the part that could be revealed. The read on him is like a character out of a Clive Cussler book. I looked more on Google, turns out they’re 2nd cousins.
…Iran is maybe the most aggressive country in the world,…”
He seems to have confused Iran with the US.
You should minimize the risk of Iran getting an atomic bomb. Iran has strong religious and cultural objections to using WMD. Further, they haven’t started a war in centuries. Iran wants a bomb basically so Israel no longer has the option to use its bomb. Yeah, that scares some warmongers in Israel and here, because they will no longer have the option to start a war against Iran, and to that I say:
Good!
Seriously? “[R]eligious and cultural objections”? You could say that about most countries; very rarely has that actually been an impediment to aggression. And I’m not sure what “they haven’t started a war in centuries” is really supposed to get us; that can change in an instant, especially in autocratic regimes like Iran.
I oppose the demonization of Iran and I genuinely support the efforts of the President and Secretary Kerry to bring about normalization of relations with Iran and ensure that Iranian nuclear developments are peaceful. Iran is not the root of all evil, in the Middle East or in general. Personally, the regime in Saudi Arabia disgusts me more than the one in Iran. However, the clerical leadership in Iran includes some pretty nasty people who would be willing to do pretty much anything that they thought they could get away with. In this respect, they are little different from most countries on Earth (obviously including the US, unfortunately). Pretending like they’re innocent babes who would never hurt a fly is ridiculously naive.
Ratcheting down the tensions between the US and Iran automatically reduces the pressure throughout the region. You’re right that this does not suit the desires of some in Israel and here, as peace will create pressure for action that they don’t want to take (e.g. ending the occupation of Palestinian territory in the West Bank for Israel, Pentagon budget reductions for the US).
If Obama/Kerry can pull this off, Obama will have earned his Nobel Peace Prize. I hope Dick Cheney gets to see it.
When is the USA going to stop it’s occupation of California, Texas and the rest of the Southwest? Not to mention every place West of the Appalachians?
Iran has publicly condemned WMD and nuclear weapons in particular, and even when Saddam gassed them to the point of killing tens of thousands they didn’t retaliate. Sure, I’m sure there are a few nutty cleric (there are nuts everywhere) but Iran would be more trustworthy with the bomb than almost any country, surpassed only by some of the historically well-behaved European countries like Switzerland and Sweden and possibly those which appear to have learned to be lately, like Belgium and Germany. Certainly Iran is less of a threat with the bomb than any of the countries that currently have the bomb, although India wouldn’t be bad if it weren’t for the India-Pakistan business.
It’s not just that the current Iranian regime has never invaded a neighbor. Since it became a modern nation-state Iran has never done this, ever.
Iran was, however, invaded itself, twice – most recently – by a proxy (Saddam’s Iraq) of the same country that overthrew their democratically elected government nearly 30 years previous, and had just finally gotten rid of the dictator that same country installed. That invasion cost Iran about a million lives. Think they remember?
Of course they do, because that same country’s biggest military and diplomatic client state, one with (illegal) nuclear weapons and a continuous history of aggressive invasions, war crimes, and crimes against humanity that is central to its identity – poses a direct continuous threat to Iran. Even in the allies it supplies arms and aid to (Hezbollah, etc), Iran can’t hold a candle to the number of states and insurgent groups the US arms and supports – including guerrilla groups operating in Iran’s borders, along with dozens of others around the globe.
It’s bad enough when government officials issue dire warnings about an imminent nuclear weapon threat from a program that even US intelligence thinks was discontinued over a decade ago. But “most aggressive country in the world” is the kind of Alternate Universe bizarro-fantasy that ought to get Mr. Steinitz honorary Tea Party membership.
I don’t have much to add, though you condemn Iran more I would.
Still, it never made sense to have this relationship with the Iranians. They are our natural allies. Our relationship with them, if improved, is going to be extremely important. The Saudi monarchs deserve the death penalty, and I’m against the death penalty in every circumstance. The apartheid state is going to crash hard at some point; better tell them to fuck off sooner rather than later. Especially after Netanyahu’s continued disrespect to the president and the people who serve him.
Just a reminder about those sanctions:
US, UN Sanctions on Iran Hurt Most Vulnerable
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Well said BooMan! We’ll have three days of the Bibi and Sara Netanyahu show in Washington DC and at the UNGA in New York.
Natanyahu comes well prepared as he just lifted a gag order (military censorship) of an arrest of an alleged Iranian spy on September 11. Expect a lot ado about nothing.
Body Language – If this photo truly mirrors the mood of Benjamin and Sara Nethanyahu, expect three days of thunder above New York and the District of Columbia. Article in TOI – Netanyahu heads to US, vows to tell ‘the truth’ about Iran.
PM Netanyahu will meet President Obama on Monday in the White House
Some good reads @Tikun Olam by Richard Silverstein …
○ Obama Breaks With Bibi on Iranian Uranium Enrichment
○ Phone Call Heard Round the World
○ Iran and U.S.: Gathering Momentum for Peace
Of course, a red carpet has been laid out on Capitol Hill lined by a bipartisan delegation. Op-Ed in the Washington Post by Robert Menendez and Lindsey O. Graham. This follows the letter written in August to President Obama by Menendez and Graham, and signed by a total of 76 U.S. Senators, calling for tougher sanctions against Iran.
Thousands welcomed Rouhani as he arrived home from the airport. In interviews, citizens expressed hope of a better relationship with the US. There was a group of 60 hardliners who critizised the rapprochement to the West. Of course the Jerusalem Post and even the BBC reported the acts of the 60 hardliners. Apparently under the motto: “The Iranians are a unreliable and irrational people, a danger to engage with.” It’s a joy to read Ms Glick in her opinion piece at the Jerusalem Post today. AIPAC in disarray after the broken promise of Netanyahu and Obama to support a military strike on arch enemy the Assads of Syria. All certainties are falling apart, with Obama’s power to engage with Rouhani and Teheran, Israel will lose a boogeyman. In the absence of Avigdor Liberman, Netanyahu himself has taken the task of Israeli foreign policy minister. A true disaster for Israel.
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○ President Obama Announces New Diplomatic Efforts with the Islamic Republic of Iran
○ Right-leaning Likud members aim to block any agreement Netanyahu makes with PA
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<<New York>> as meeting place should have been crossed out as the two leaders were scheduled to meet in the White House today.
In Washington the CIA is perhaps the most important constituency for the President to have. I expect things to get rougher for Obama as he strays farther from the preordained path.
What’s wrong with this picture?
The U.S. and Israel is obsessed with weapons Iran does not have, but it’s OK for the U.S. to give $3 Billion per year to Israel for “aid” and now Israel is asking for even more money.
Given the situation with Palestine, the fact Netanyahu is not remotely serious about a two-state solution, this sort of overwhelmingly one sided financial support of Israel makes it tough take them, and the U.S. seriously as objective negotiators regarding Iran.
I wonder if Obama will be on board with this “aid” increase?
http://www.upi.com/Business_News/Security-Industry/2013/09/27/Israel-starts-campaign-to-boost-US-mil
itary-aid/UPI-52461380301963/?spt=hs&or=si
I’m glad that President Obama, Joe Biden, and John Kerry made the decisions about Syria and not Susan Rice and Samantha Powers. The foreign affairs events that shaped your perceptions of the world should not be blinders; Rice and Powers can’t leave Somalia and Rwanda. Biden saw the fall of the Shah and the Hostage Crisis from inside the Senate. And both Biden and Kerry saw the rush to war in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It is domestic politics that constrains the US in dealing with Cuba, Iran, Israel, and even North Korea. Cold War “soft on….” “xxx lost yyyy” domestic politics. On Syria, domestic politics went against war for the first time. And Putin and Rouhani provided the US an opening to negotiations for their own reasons.
I’m glad that that President Obama decided on caution.
I’d vote for him, again. The next Dem will be more bellicose, if it’s Hillary.