Yesterday, Governor John Kasich (R-OH), muscled home a Medicaid expansion over the disapproval of his own legislature. Meanwhile, Governor Chris Christie (R-NJ) relented on gay marriage in the Garden State by refraining from any more court appeals. Both of these decisions represent irreversible victories for the left. Irreversible victories are fundamentally different from ordinary victories, and they are especially powerful when the result has the blessing, however reluctant, of our political opposition.
As regular readers know, I have been kicking around the idea of shattering the Republican Party into two irreconcilable pieces by having the Democrats agree to join with moderate Republicans to elect a replacement for Speaker Boehner. I know that this seems like a pipe dream, but there is fresh evidence emerging every day that it has a kind of logical force that could make it a reality.
Consider Greg Sargent’s piece this morning that looks at the “epic damage” the Republicans did to themselves by shutting down the government and threatening our credit rating and the health of the global economy. After looking at the absolutely brutal poll numbers, Mr. Sargent asks:
The question, however, is: Do Republicans actually think it matters that their image is in such disastrous shape, or is that rendered inconsequential by the degree to which the House GOP majority is believed to be invulnerable?
There is a simple conundrum here. The Republicans who are most responsible for the government shutdown are the ones who are least vulnerable, and the ones who thought the shutdown was a terrible idea are the most vulnerable. Many lawmakers who thought their seats were safe are now looking at poll numbers that show them behind or even with generic Democrats. Not only are they angry with their more conservative colleagues for putting them in this situation, but they must be pretty desperate to avoid compounding the problem.
Their incentives are now much more closely-aligned with the incentives of John Kasich and Chris Christie than they are with the incentives of the conservative movement. If there is another government shutdown in January, they might not be able to recover. If there is anything they can do to dramatically improve their image, it is to help breakthrough the gridlock and make a demonstration of working with the president. Until recently, the only real pressure they felt was from a possible primary challenge from their right, but that calculus has now changed for dozens of House Republicans.
They can hope that the recent debacle has weakened the Tea Party faction and empowered Speaker Boehner (and Mitch McConnell) to make compromises, but there is little reason to believe that things will really improve between now and January.
Let’s look at two data points from the recent WP/ABC poll:
* Only 21 percent of Americans approve of the way the Congressional GOP is handling the federal budget, versus 77 percent who disapprove. Among independents: 20-78. Among moderates: 14-85. Among seniors: 18-79. Fewer than one in three regard the GOP favorably.
* Only 20 percent think Republicans are “interested in doing what’s best for the country,” while 77 percent think they’re “interested in what’s best for themselves politically.” Among independents: 14-83. Among moderates: 18-81. Among seniors: 24-74.
Now, as bad as those numbers are, imagine what they would be if you didn’t count the opinions of people in the Deep South. Imagine what those numbers look like if you only looked at people in New Jersey or the Philly suburbs or in Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Iowa, and Wisconsin.
Can Republican lawmakers who represent districts outside of the Deep South survive this kind of public disapproval? I’d argue that they might survive it if they can repair some of the damage, but they can’t survive it if the damage is exacerbated and brought closer to election day. If these Republicans want to save themselves, they must make a break with the conservative movement, and they must make that break now.
For the Democrats, all they have to do is to make the offer and keep making it. Join with us and pass immigration reform. Join with us and pass a Farm Bill. Join with us and pass a balanced budget plan. Join with us and form a governing majority in the House that sidelines the Tea Party. They don’t have to agree to it, but refusing the offer will only serve to highlight the need to remove these folks from power.
It’s one more example where we can further the destruction of the modern GOP simply by being reasonable and offering them what they say they want. If they agree, the Tea Party is sidelined. If they don’t agree, the party gets wiped out. Either way, we win.
Even in that awful presentation, you can see the regional crosstabs. Just click on the question and use the drop down menu on the upper right of the next screen.
Southerners are right in line with the average on your selected question, for what it’s worth. The most pro-Republican stance came from the Midwest (28% approve). Notably, the South and Midwest are where Obama’s approval numbers were lowest in this poll (43% in each).
However, it should be noted that Southerners have the highest Tea Party approval (30%) and thus their disapproval of the Congressional negotiations could be due to the perception that the Republicans caved.
For the Democrats, all they have to do is to make the offer and keep making it. Join with us and pass immigration reform. Join with us and pass a Farm Bill. Join with us and pass a balanced budget plan. …
If that’s the case they need to improve the immigration bill. There is no need to further militarize the border, for one. Balanced budget plan? Care to explain this more?
not a balanced budget amendment. A budget that includes a balance of new revenues and cuts.
The thing about Boehner that I keep wondering about is that he has two positions to lose–the speakership and his seat in Congress. His district appears to be deep red, considering he didn’t even have a Democratic opponent last year, so it may be that the one way he could lose his seat would be to compromise with the Democrats. How does that enter into the calculations?
Good question.
One possible answer: Boehner goes to Pelosi and asks for 175 Democratic votes to keep him as speaker.
Pelosi says she wants immigration reform, an end to the sequester, and (name 1-3 additional Democratic priorities for the next 14 months).
Boehner agrees. That, along with the 50+ Republican votes he has, keeps him speaker for the rest of this term.
I don’t think one can underestimate the upheaval that will result here, in the Ohio GOP, as a result of the decision by Kasich to get this Medicaid expansion done outside the normal legislative process. This whole Tea Party-GOP alliance has been living on borrowed time for a while now, and this will probably be the thing that starts the clock ticking toward a full blown internal war within the state’s party.
I have to admit, I am somewhat surprised by Kasich’s actions. He certainly is aware of the political risks that this move opens up for him. For some time, I have been following the issues surrounding mental health advocacy here in the state. And right after Kasich was elected, he had a meeting with several members of the Mental Health community from around the state, and with representatives of NAMI. Many came away from that meeting with a sense that Kasich did have some genuine concerns about health and wellness issues. There was positive feedback from a number of people who attended this meeting. I was skeptical, but was then willing to give the benefit of the doubt. Since that time, he has really not come through as many had hoped. The rising of the Tea Party in the State really put a damper on anything that hinted at helping those whose health circumstances were less fortunate. And he marched in lock-step with the crazies of his party. After a while, I kind of felt my cynicism was a bit vindicated. Now, I really wonder what kind of epiphany has befallen our Governor. I still remember reading something earlier this summer that he is quoted as saying to a lawmaker in Columbus.
There is little doubt that this might well be the straw that breaks the camel’s back for the Ohio Tea Party. And the end result might just be Democrat Ed Fitzgerald in the Governor’s chair come next November.
From your second link:
Wow. Just … wow.
Commies, Commies everywhere!!!! According to those remarks by “Robert Lee”. Robert Lee, huh?? Coincidence?? I think not.
It is autumn, after all, so the nuts start falling from the trees and we just seem to notice them more.
That’s awesome. Sure, Lincoln saved the Union, but he once got a letter from Karl Marx. I guess that means the Union wasn’t really worth saving?
Otherwise, I’m continually bemused by this idea these idiots have that what the parties stood for 100 or 150 years ago is relevant to today’s politics–stuff like Rand Paul telling black students that the NAACP was founded by Republicans.
If they do think that way, though, we might as well make use of it. I figure a great way to turn Georgia and South Carolina against the GOP, for instance, would be to remind everybody there that William Tecumseh Sherman as a Republican.
My favorite civil war general!
I also live in Atlanta now (transplant from Ohio) and love talking up Sherman whenever I get a chance.
Went looking and found:
on Amazon:
Holy Frickin’ Moley.
Too bad the Democrats don’t have anything to offer esides not being as bad as the Republicans. Their main policy seems to surround lowering the deficit. How about JOBS JOBS JOBS??
OT, good article in Huff Po about Obama and Reid meeting last July about Reid’s disenchantment with Obama’s negotiating skills.
In other words…Harry Reid bI%^h slapped the president and told him to man up……and Barack Obama being witness to the feistiness of a little old mormon guy from the desert …Obama found his inner south side Chicago in himself………….the LORD works in mysterious ways????????
More often than not, political campaigns are based on “we/I suck less.” It’s the principle stock and trade of the pure negative political ads.
From your keyboard to Nancy Pelosi’s heart.
Gotta admit that when I was a teenager watching Falcon Crest, I never saw this coming.
Enquirer readers to Governor Kasich: “Thank you for expanding Medicaid”.
John Kasich…the latest “socialist”.
You forgot about the Transportation bill the house never worked on….or the bill regarding water resources the senate passed. The GOP lead house has been collecting taxes for going on 3 years and are unable to direct any of that revenue back the people who paid the tax.
For this proposal to work the Democrats would have to be able to guarantee at least 1.5x the level of campaign support (contributions, volunteers) to the defecting GOPers.
And make no mistake this is a defection. There is no “we’re the REAL Republicans – we’re just cooperating with the Democrats to get rid of our crazy faction”. Nope, after demonizing the Democrats for so long – in particular Pelosi – there is no way they can cooperate with Democrats and keep a significant share of the GOP vote.
Very true. And you know that the rank and file Dems would never stand for them supporting Republicans against Democrats in the actual election. Especially if they have to kneecap legitimate Dem challengers to do it.
Basically in the end, they’re in a very bad situation.
Hmm I’m not sure if the Ohio one is irreversible if the legislature files suit. We’ll see. Immigration reform seems to be going nowhere right now. They’re still of the belief that Dems will pass individual bills which is a losing strategy and even cowardly democrats know it.
I’d like to see those numbers outside the south too, to see exactly where the “sane” (not moderate!) districts still are.