William Henry Harrison and Zachary Taylor were both elected president on the Whig Party ticket. John Tyler was a Whig, too, but was expelled from the party. And Millard Fillmore was a Whig who became president after President Taylor died in office. Henry Clay, Daniel Webster, and Abraham Lincoln were all Whigs. It was a pretty successful political party for a couple of decades, but it fell apart over the question of slavery.
As you might suspect, the party developed northern and southern wings that grew less and less compatible, until the two factions could no longer work together. The northern wing gravitated to the newly-formed Republican Party or, like their former colleagues in the South, joined up with the Know-Nothings.
I don’t see the current divisions within the Republican Party as quite that stark, but the polls are showing some serious signs of strain.
In December, just a month after the GOP experienced a string of election losses, nearly two-thirds of all Republicans held a positive view of their party. Ten months later that share has dropped to less than half.
Among those who are more wavering in their ties to the GOP—a group that is nearly twice the size of the party’s most fervent followers—affection for the party in the latest poll dropped to 35%, with almost an equal number saying they viewed the party in a negative light. (See table at bottom of this post.)
By comparison, nearly three-quarters of all Democrats in the poll said they have a positive view of their party, down just slightly since the end of last year. Even the more wavering among the Democrats are positive toward their party (61%).
The sharp divisions over political style with the GOP also have no corollary among Democrats.
One of the canaries in the coal mine is the way that Mid-Atlantic Republicans like Rep. Peter King, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, and New York City mayoral candidate Joe Lhota have denounced southern Republicans for not coming to their aid in the aftermath of Superstorm Sandy. They felt the same way about the recent government shutdown and threat to default on the nation’s debt. And the same break can be seen in how Republicans view negotiations over the budget.
A similar break can be seen over the question of whether Republicans want their party members in Congress to make compromises to gain a consensus on budgetary matters, or stick to their positions even if this means no budget agreement.
Just under half of all Republicans favored compromise. But among tea-party Republicans, a solid 64% said Republicans in Congress should stick to their positions no matter what. Just a third of non-tea party Republicans took that stauncher position.
When the same question was asked of Democrats, a solid 68% favored compromise, with little variation among liberals and more wavering Democrats.
Only a third of non-Tea Party Republicans think that the Republicans should eschew compromise in the budget negotiations, but that public opinion is not reflected at all in how congressional Republicans are acting.
It might be possible to sustain this kind of division if the budget debate could somehow remain an abstract argument, but the truth is that the sequester cuts that are kicking in for 2014 are real and they have consequences that cannot be ignored. When the “no compromise” position is only supported by half of your party and one third of your non-Tea Partiers, then unity becomes impossible.
Support for a third party is at an historic high in the country right now, but it is particularly strong on the right.
Asked if they would be more likely to vote for an independent or third-party candidate for Congress if one existed in their district, just 19% of Democrats said they would.
But among all Republicans, that number was 28%. And among wavering Republicans—who constituted nearly a quarter of the poll’s registered voters—the desire to vote for a third-party candidate was a startling 41%.
What’s fascinating about these numbers is that it is the more moderate, Establishment Republicans who are more interested in a third party than the renegade anti-Establishment upstarts in the Tea Party. Overall, fifty-six percent of Tea Party Republicans have a favorable view of the GOP, while only forty-one percent of non-Tea Party Republicans approve.
It doesn’t surprise me that the tensions are strongest in the Mid-Atlantic region where the Republican Party’s ties to Wall Street are the strongest, but this split has a cultural component as well. Republicans have been all but wiped out in New England, where they do not have even one serving member in the House of Representatives, and only two senators. Business-minded people in New England would be well-served to ditch the Republican brand entirely and start over from scratch. In the meantime, Gov. Chris Christie is cruising to reelection in large part because he split from the southern wing of the party and embraced federal aid and the president when his state needed disaster relief. That is increasingly going to be the only way a Republican in these parts can be popular. And that is going to start showing up in Congress in a big way as the budget debate drags on.
Unlike the Whigs, I don’t see the Republican Party simply disappearing, but I think some other vehicle will become preferable for people on the right who are running outside of the South.
But, but, Democrats are losing because glitches.
Issa has now lost a key Benghazi, Benghazi! BENGHAZI! witness busted by WAPO
Convenient that Mr. Davies is “not well” now that his big scam has been exposed as fiction.
This is as least as an egregious journalistic failure as Dan Rather’s TANG report (IMHO this one is worse); so, will CBS can Lara Logan? Or even force her to do a follow-up story telling the audience that Davies is a big fat liar and she’s an incompetent reporter?
Will they? Will they?
BWA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
* Wipes eyes…. *
Oh, Marie2, you’re such a scamp.
So you are predicting a meaningful splinter from the Republican party to form a new third party?
It’s hard to say how imminent it is, but yes.
I think there is a strong chance that the GOP will split over their 2016 nominee, and who stays and who goes will depend on whether or not the Establishment can force home another candidate in the Dole, Bush, McCain, Romney mold, or if the party finally snaps and nominates a Bachmann, Gingrich, Santorum-type clown.
If they produce a Tea Party nominee, particularly one from the South, I can easily see a very strong third party challenge from an Establishment figure like Jon Huntsman that would do very well among suburban Republicans in the Mid-Atlantic and around major cities like Cleveland, Detroit, Chicago, Philly, Los Angeles, Charlotte, Atlanta.
If I were a wealthy businessman fed-up with the foolishness and social conservatism of the GOP, I would set up a party based on Rockefeller Republican principles, including strong environmentalism, in Washington and California where primaries are open to all parties, and I’d run candidates in all suburban districts first, seeking to come in second place ahead of the GOP nominees.
Then I’d instruct the candidates to make their first vote for speaker for one of their own, and only cast a ballot for the GOP candidate on the second ballot. Once a half dozen or so members of Congress were in place, they’d begin to have a say in how the right conducts their business. Before long, they could even make or break a Republican speaker. And they could split with the absolutism on taxes and actually help get things done.
I’d like to do something similar from the left in those states, but not because it would solve the gridlock problem. I just think we can build a Progressive Party that will only vote for the Dems on the second ballot, and that it could then expand in other states where ballot laws make it a viable plan.
I’d love to see that but only because I think it would cause the immediate takeover of both branches of the Congress and, in short order, a majority of the state governments by the Democratic party. A divided right wing would lose plenty of elections it would otherwise win.
For that reason, it wouldn’t last longer than a couple of election cycles – see the George Wallace episode.
That said, I am not saying it doesn’t happen.
You forgot the money. The right turned a talking point, money = speech, into policy. If the current case in SCOTUS lets anybody spend as much/whenever they want the right will loose complete control of money. If you can’t control the money, you can’t control who your candidate is or your message.
Looking forward to 2016, will the lack of campaign finance laws enable Hillary to raise billions while the right divides its resources between 2/3 candidates?
The huge firehose of money was becoming somewhat a handicap in the the 2012 Presidential campaign. How exactly do you spend all that money?
There is an opening for political strategists to figure out how to bleed cash from witless billionaires. That is likely to happen in 2014 and certainly by 2016.
And it might even come with a campaign to overturn Citizens United and whatever the Supreme Court dumps in the next year.
Excellent summation of the ongoing process. I think this is key:
That tells me that the Tea Party dynamic has now, more or less, taken virtually complete control of the Republican Party. The ‘moral compass’ for a few of the old guard Repubs has finally kicked in, maybe. For the other old line Repubs, their fearful vision of losing power has now dawned inexorably.
There is no escape for them now. This dynamic can only mean further breakdown. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Either wing jumping to a third party would be a complete capitulation against a looming Clinton Machine.
Would be easier for GOP “moderates” to leave the GOP to the crazies and complete their takeover of the Democratic Party. Rank-and-file Democrats won’t notice for another decade or so.
You mean like this?:
http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/10/31/3329326/gop-extremist-movement-prompts.html
(h/t dpm at Balloon Juice)
Interesting that a Jesse-style Republican would try to take on a Democrat-turned-Republican on an anti-Tea Party platform. NC-03 is going to be interesting if Thigpen gets traction among Dems. More than likely Dems will want a real Dem to represent them against Jones.
Yeah, the battle will likely shift to the Dem primaries. But with the Repugs getting ever more clearly deranged, the opening up to a more progressive Democrat in even strongly Red areas is there. The DCCC and the Big Democratic Money Boys will be putting up their usual shills. It’s up to us, the people, to be wary of the games being played. And more Elizabeth Warrens!!
What if a successful businessman like Ross Perot decided to run. It seems to me that would pull in the establishment GOPers. The Tea Party types are insane so who knows who they would support, but it seems to me that if a viable not Romney businessman surfaced a huge faction of the GOP would jump ship.
Other than that, I think Christie will be popular in 2016. Christie has much more conservative cred than Romney and if Republicans think he could win they would back him. I don’t think they care who they get in the WH, they just want the power.
The other thing I wonder about is a Libertarian party combining the far right and far left. Ralph Nader and Ron Paul talked about a progressive/libertarian alliance and there are other signs of that type of alliance.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/01/22/ron-paul-ralph-nader-agree-on-progressive-libertarian-alliance
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As far as further tension right now, Ryan pooped out his budget at the Budget Committee, said absolutely no negotiations on additional revenue or closing tax loopholes and left with the House for vacation until Nov. 15. The committee is supposed to come to an agreement by Dec 15 so it looks to me like they are setting up another shutdown. And cutting food stamps before Thanksgiving/Christmas will further endear them to the populace. The media is starting to take notice. I hope the Democrats have a huge wave election in VA. All of those things should shake up the GOP business community even more. I hope they put the screws to Ryan, Cantor and their gang.
I do think that the most likely splinter is a Libertarian party. The problem, of course, is that Libertarianism is kind of a cover for Big Bidness, anti-regulatory, anti-tax fundamentalism. And it’s predicated on the sort of innumeracy that makes Paul Ryan a “budget expert”.
So, I’m not sure how a Libertarian party reconciles its contradictions with the voters who want to legalize pot and ban the NSA with the Ayn Randian acolytes. Of course, the GOP has been squaring a very odd circle for years, and maybe the Libertarians can pull it off.
The broader problem is that the small government crowd will eventually splinter with the evangelical young who do see a role for environmental stewardship and care for the poor.
Any Libertarian groundswell could be geographically limited, too.
On the other hand:
ACA Birth-Control mandate ruled Unconstitutional by DC Circuit court.
And some emocrats are now proposing legislation that will damage Obama care.
And KDrum points out that there is a little evidence the Rate Shock stories might actually suggest a real problem.
Man, if the GOP could just get their act together…
Heh. Emocrats. I like that mistake.
I’ve got to read that bullshit opinion. Oh. My. God.
Emocrats? No, they’re are DINO’s.
Charles P. Pierce There Is Nothing Random About The LAX Shooting Written and submitted from LAX.
“alter of blood sacrifice” — and we have the audacity to think of ourselves as civilized.