US and Dutch Cover-up of MH-17 Ukraine Crash Evidence

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   kafkananda on October 29, 2014 at 11:03 pm

   More great coverage, Oui!

   I heartily recommend Oui’s excellent post about some of the shoot down details, Was Malaysia MH-17 Downed by Su-25 Fighter Planes? for a great read and more back ground info.

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     Oui on October 30, 2014 at 3:34 am

     Thanks!

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   Oui on October 30, 2014 at 3:34 am

   Malaysia Premier Brokers Deal to Recover Black Boxes | NY Times | July 21, 2014 |

   KUALA LUMPUR, Malaysia — Prime Minister Najib Razak’s announcement that his government had reached an agreement with pro-Russian separatists in eastern Ukraine, for the transfer of the bodies and so-called black boxes from Flight 17 to Malaysian representatives there, apparently achieved what pressure from far more powerful nations had failed to accomplish.

   Mr. Najib said in a live television broadcast to his nation early Tuesday that the agreement with Alexander Borodai, a commander of the separatist forces in Donetsk, Ukraine, called for the bodies to be taken by train to Kharkiv, a city held by the Ukrainian government. Six Malaysian representatives were to oversee the transfer of the bodies in Kharkiv to Dutch custody.

   Under the agreement, the bodies and the Malaysian representatives would then be flown in a Dutch C-130 Hercules transport plane to the Netherlands for identification and repatriation of remains, Mr. Najib said.

   The two black boxes from the plane – which are actually orange –were to be handed over to Malaysian representatives in Donetsk, the eastern Ukraine city that is the headquarters of the pro-Moscow separatists.  

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   Demian on October 30, 2014 at 5:01 am

   Kiev had no problems with Dutch investigators negotiating directly with the rebels to gain access to the crash site? Really? “So say several Ukrainian protagonists”? Since when do we believe anything “Ukrainian protagonists” say?

   There was a news story about either the Dutch PM or a minister saying in an interview on Dutch TV that Dutch investigators cooperating in any kind of way with the rebels was out of the question, because Holland is a NATO country.

   By the way, did you see this story:

   Spiegel: MH17-Chefermittler Westerbeke: “Wissen die Russen womöglich mehr?”

   Westerbeke: Anfangs haben wir für den Absturz von Flug MH17 vier mögliche Erklärungen in Betracht gezogen: Einen Unfall, einen Terroranschlag, den Abschuss durch eine Boden-Luft-Rakete oder einen Angriff durch ein anderes Flugzeug. Nach dem Erscheinen des Zwischenberichts durch den niederländischen Sicherheitsrat OVV…
   …fallen das Unfall- und das Terrorszenario weg. Die beiden anderen bleiben übrig.

   Unsurprisingly, the Western press is completely ignoring how the DSB preliminary report affected the criminal investigation in this way (narrowing the scenarios considered from four to two), and the English Spiegel article did not include this remark of the chief inspector.

   I am going to spam your diaries with German. 😉

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     Demian on October 31, 2014 at 3:57 am

     The Netherlands ‘ignored’ Ukraine rebels after MH17 crash – officials

     Officials in Ukraine say the Netherlands could have had direct access to the crash site of Malaysian Airways MH17 if Dutch diplomats had talked to rebel leaders, current affairs show Nieuwsuur reported on Wednesday evening.

     A number of Ukrainian officials, including foreign minister Pavlo Klimkin, told the programme Kiev had no objections if the Netherlands talked to the pro-Russian rebels.

     ‘We could not recognise the People’s Republic of Donetsk but access to the crash site was not a political issue, it was a moral requirement,’ Klimkin said. Nor had Kiev asked the Netherlands not to talk to the rebels, Nieuwsuur said.

     This is all what your diary is about. Personally, I don’t think any of this is newsworthy, since chances are the Ukrainians are lying as usual. That the junta’s foreign minister expressed concern about a “moral requirement” is a dead giveaway. I thought the Dutch were supposed to be good at detecting bullshit.

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       Oui on October 31, 2014 at 11:43 am

       Dutch newspaper de Volkskrant reported that new FM Koenders spoke to his comrade Pavlo Klimkin in Kiev en wants Ukraine to retract yesterday’s statement in Nieuwsuur. The media stated a retraction has been published on the Ukraine Embassy of The Netherlands. It’s not there! Ukraine did not want the Dutch to negotiate directly with the Donetsk rebels. They were told they can use the OSCE as mediator. It’s all about semantics now, is it?

       Today’s news lists more remains have been found in the wreckage/fields of crash site in a joint operation with SES, the local first responders. Gee whiz, what’s so difficult about cooperating with locals.

       The matter stinks to heaven.

       ○ Reuters did not Report that People on Maidan were Killed by Opposition’s Snipers

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         Demian on October 31, 2014 at 8:11 pm

         Why did you post a link to the loony Ukrainian Web site stopfake.org? Why do you even pay attention to that garbage?

         As for “stinks to heaven”: it is taken for granted by everyone who has not been zombified by the Western mass media that the junta deliberately shot MH17 down in a (botched) false flag op. So the only question remaining is how much truth the various investigations are going to let come out.

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   Oui on October 30, 2014 at 5:10 am

   MH17 investigators still awaiting U.S. intelligence reports | Reuters |

   Dutch prosecutors are still awaiting U.S. intelligence reports on the crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 but American laws on passing on such information to criminal investigations are complicating the process, the Dutch government said.

   The United States said its satellite imagery proved it was shot down with a ground-to-air missile by Russian-backed rebels. Russian intelligence says an Ukrainian military aircraft downed it.

   “It is desirable for prosecutors to receive further information from the U.S. in connection with the criminal investigation,” the government said in a letter to Parliament.

   Lawmakers had asked whether the United States had provided imagery from the 10 minutes before and after the crash. Only the latter were referred to in an interim air crash inspection report published last month.

   “In the American legal system it is judicially complicated to pass intelligence information to the criminal justice system,” the letter said.  

   [Source Digplanet: Downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 (MH17/MAS17)]

   Searching for above mentioned letter from Dutch Government PM Mark Rutte, I came across this website page, a video impression of Dutch investigators “Four days, 20 hours in Donetsk“. A shameful misrepresentation of what a modern state should do in case of a crash investigation.

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   Oui on October 30, 2014 at 5:27 am

   PM Mark Rutte again not telling as it is. In yesterday’s letter he stated Malaysia was “part of the investigative team.” This had been denied by the Malaysian ambassador in The Hague and is also contrary to this Malaysian news report …

   Focus on ‘other aircraft’ | NST |

   The NST report had also said that experts were analysing the warhead composition of the BUK-M1 and the Vympel R-60. However, the preliminary report released on Sept 9 by the Dutch Safety Board stated that except for a few other jetliners, no other combat aircraft were in the area.

   As the Dutch-led JIT, which is also made up of investigators from Australia, Belgium and Ukraine, expands its focus on this theory, Kuala Lumpur has again asked to be in the core probe team. Malaysia, along with other countries that lost their citizens in the incident, is officially a “participant”.

   Attorney-General Tan Sri Abdul Gani Patail told the NST that Malaysian investigators must be a part of the team as it was the country’s aircraft that was lost.

   “We have to be in the JIT and we will again convey Kuala Lumpur’s stand on this matter. We want to ensure that the investigation is airtight and carried out properly,” he said, adding that Kuala Lumpur is also expected to hear from the JIT soon.

   Gani said Malaysia wanted all possibilities that led to the shootdown to be probed thoroughly, including the possibility that it was brought down by another aircraft.

   Aircraft rebuilt in virtual form

   ○ Joint Investigative Team (JIT) a deal in secrecy

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   Oui on November 7, 2014 at 5:52 pm

   As Dutch PM Mark Rutte traveled to Malaysia and Australia …

   Dutch Investigators Talk Directly to Donetsk Rebels

   The Dutch Safety Board has signed an agreement to salvage the wreckage of MH17. Dutch investigatord  have negotiated directly with the rebels, thus rebel leaders tell reporters of Nieuwsuur. Deputy Prime Minister Lodewijk Asscher does not rule out the contact with the rebels.  

   DSB: Wreckage MH-17 to be transferred to The Netherlands

   THE HAGUE – Wreckage of Ukraine crashed Boeing 777 of Malaysia Airlines will be transferred to the Netherlands. This announcement was made by the Dutch Safety Board. The OvV has commissioned salvaging of the wreckage of flight MH17. It is expected yhe start will be “in the next few days.”

   The Council intends to investigate the cause of the crash and conduct a reconstruction of part of the aircraft. This method is often used after airplane accidents to determine the cause. An example is the disaster with a TWA Boeing 747 that exploded in 1996 over the Atlantic Ocean.

   The wreckage of flight MH17 are spread over a large area in an agricultural region in eastern Ukraine. The area is controlled by pro-Russian rebels. “An agreement has been reached and the technical implementation of this plan will be prepared”, the parties say.

   Dutch Safety Board – Investigation Crash MH-17