Just for the edification of Paul Waldman, the arrogance that leads Chris Christie to insult people who he thinks are stupid isn’t some personality quirk. It’s a cultural trademark of the Garden State that it shares with people from the greater New York metropolitan area. It’s a trait that you can see in Bill Maher in basically equal measure. If you’re looking for another politician, try Bayonne-raised Barney Frank. You can see it in entertainers like Frank Sinatra. Or look at Hall of Fame football coach Bill Parcells.
Most Jersey politicians don’t act like this, but it should be obvious by now that Christie’s act isn’t judged negatively in New Jersey the way it would be in areas of the country where this behavior is unfamiliar. The reason is that telling people that they’re stupid is a state pastime in Jersey.
Of course, this is different than picking on people or “punching down.” It isn’t considered good form to insult someone’s intelligence if they are genuinely “slow.” But, if someone is expressing a strongly held opinion and they’re an idiot, then telling them to shut their stupid face is normal in Jersey.
Whether you find this appealing or abrasive, the important thing is that it doesn’t translate well to other areas of the country. Sure, there’s a subset of people (conservatives) who genuinely enjoy punching down. They like Christie’s act because they don’t really understand it for what it is. They can’t distinguish it from the acts of politicians like Michele Bachmann and Paul Ryan who just insult liberals and poor people and minorities because it’s how they excite the base.
So, yes, Christie will have some problems winning voters in “polite” Iowa, but not so much in the caucuses when he’s appealing to a very conservative base that thinks Christie is beating people up because they are weak instead of because he’s an arrogant prick from Jersey.
And here I thought Christie was both.
Well, when you’re the governor talking to a citizen, the citizen is in some sense “weak” when compared to you, because you have so much power.
So, that’s why when Christie blasts some teacher and it can come off as “both.”
But that’s mainly Christie failing to recognize that his position changes the way he ought to behave. He’s not an equal, so acting like he’s conversing with an equal is inappropriate.
Many Jerseyites, me included, find this grating.
Well we would know if the teacher told the guv to eff off by the guvs reaction, wouldn’t we. Would he rage at having his majestie lese’d or would he laugh and Jersey the teacher back.
My money is on rage. Even retaliation.
I think you’re wrong about Njians and about other areas of the country judging his manner. . if he were, say, a classical Republican, I don’t t think his manner would be a problem in other parts of the country.
ppl who liked him before, don’t like the fact that he’s a crook. Maybe his manner doesn’t disqualify him, but that’s all he is is a blustering, bullying shell so I think it’s a red herring. If his persona were about anything but self promotion and shilling for the Koch bros, people looking for a potentially winning repub candidate would be ok with his manner. I also find that fellow NJians don’t like his bullying manner towards non 1% constituents.
Please, Christie is no longer a governor. He has jumped in the GOP clown car and owns the drivers seat. After the election there will be some competition for keys to the clown car.
I was born in Manhattan and have lived my entire life in the NY metropolitan area. I am familiar with abrasive behavior from others and from having been the origin of a fair amount of my own. My grandfather was a NYC cabdriver and my father worked for 40 years in NYC schools. However, even for me this seems way beyond acceptable. Christie is just over the top fucking rude even for this region.
Meh.
Spend more time in Jersey.
We exist on the far end of the rude scale.
I had to learn the hard way that saying “get the fuck out of here” and “you’ve fucking kidding, right?” and “shut the fuck up” are not normal ways to converse in the Midwest or Left Coast.
I’m still disappointed.
Born and raised in New York. Left for the west coast after college. People thought I was a jerk. For the longest time, I couldn’t figure out why. Then I remembered an old friend from California. In our group of east coast pals, we called him a whiner. We’d say, “Dave, quit yer whining!”
On the left coast I finally wised up and began doing my very best Dave impression. Just like that, I was a nice guy again. That was almost 30 years ago. Have been whining ever since.
I understand. Here’s a typical Jersey conversation between a couple of 19 year old guys.
Joey: I just got back from the City.
Tony: Get the fuck out of here.
Joey: Yeah, and I went to this bar and hooked up with this 22 year old chick.
Tony: You’re fucking kidding me, right?
Joey: And then I went back to her apartment and there was this major after-party.
Tony: Shut the fuck up.
This same conversation in Los Angeles does not go well. In Kalamazoo is means you’ve just lost a friend for life.
Yeah, but that’s not what Christie was doing. He was being hostile.
OK, tell me he wasn’t. I’m from Brooklyn, and in Brooklyn, that is considered hostile.
It would have been more impressive if the guy he was calling a stupid do-nothing really was a stupid do-nothing.
I thought Christie came off looking like the asshole that he is.
I’m basically talking about Christie’s overall act, not just one particular instance. Calling the House Republicans disgusting is also part of his act. Here’s what I am saying. While he does act like a bully, which no one except conservatives likes, a lot of how he acts comes across as bullying but really is just how people from this region talk when they’e annoyed with someone. It’s why he can get away with behavior that would make him incredibly unpopular elsewhere. I’d argue that even the bridge closing was less toxic in Jersey than it would have been in Minneapolis. While people were appalled, it wasn’t like they expect their politicians to play nice, either. Call it low expectations combined with a certain level of tolerance (and even grudging respect) for thuggish behavior.
Since I’ve never been to New Jersey, I’ll take this post at face value. A couple of items from the clip of Gov. Christie and his spirited exchange: First, the depressing applause from the audience every time the governor got off a good one. It was such obvious pandering that several times Gov. Christie repeated his comment, and from my perspective, repeated it just so he could get another jolt of applause.
Second, we can’t hear diddly-squat from the young man holding the sign. He didn’t appear to be especially agitated or demonstrative, which would have been quite hard for me. He maintained his composure quite well, and his calm juxtaposed with the governor’s bombast very favorably.
I also note that several times, Gov. Christie said he’d be glad to discuss the issue with the fellow with the sign. Anytime, he emphasized. Apparently the young man suggested a dinner meeting that evening, and Gov. Christie promptly broke his “anytime” promise.
If this sort of lying confrontational style isn’t judged negatively in New Jersey, perhaps “Visit New Jersey” doesn’t need to be on my bucket list.
I wouldn’t go to South Philly, either.
Did they really boo Santa Claus?
I LOVE South Philly.
Been to New Jersey (Edison) many times on business.
See if you can find a download of the Rockford Files episode Just a coupla guys for a feel for it. Booman probably would enjoy what happens to a California guy (James Garner) at the Newark Airport.
Hope you Jersey guys aren’t offended when I call Jersey “burial ground for the New York mob”. Of course, maybe you are proud of it! Anyway, it’s better than what my wife (100% Chicagoan) calls it.
Not just Iowa. This doesn’t play in Illinois, either.
You’re right about Illinois. I don’t even think it would play well in Chicago, but I’m a downstater.
Like I said above, it wouldn’t even play well in Brooklyn.
Consider Christie’s insane boorishness and bullying manner to Hillary Clinton’s response to five interruptions from Dreamer hecklers today.
Man I can’t wait for 2016.
“…Christie is beating people up because they are weak instead of because he’s an arrogant prick from Jersey.”
In the same way that the east coast has a different pronunciation for “aunt” and “ant,” on the west coast these are the same thing.
To the west norms of social behavior this is a distinction without difference.
The nuance is lost. We see that behavior and think, “Christ, what an asshole.” It entirely disqualifies him.
A lot of places in the Northeast have a different pronunciation for “aunt” and “ant”, but in New York they are the same.
Denizens of Philadelphia are likewise. We don’t suffer fools well.