Kudos to Senator John McCain of Arizona:
FLOOR STATEMENT BY SENATOR JOHN McCAIN ON SENATE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE REPORT ON CIA INTERROGATION METHODS
Dec 09 2014
Washington, D.C. –U.S. Senator John McCain (R-AZ) today delivered the following statement on the floor of the U.S. Senate on the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence report on CIA interrogation methods:
“Mr. President, I rise in support of the release – the long-delayed release – of the Senate Intelligence Committee’s summarized, unclassified review of the so-called ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ that were employed by the previous administration to extract information from captured terrorists. It is a thorough and thoughtful study of practices that I believe not only failed their purpose – to secure actionable intelligence to prevent further attacks on the U.S. and our allies – but actually damaged our security interests, as well as our reputation as a force for good in the world.
“I believe the American people have a right – indeed, a responsibility – to know what was done in their name; how these practices did or did not serve our interests; and how they comported with our most important values.
“I commend Chairman Feinstein and her staff for their diligence in seeking a truthful accounting of policies I hope we will never resort to again. I thank them for persevering against persistent opposition from many members of the intelligence community, from officials in two administrations, and from some of our colleagues.
“The truth is sometimes a hard pill to swallow. It sometimes causes us difficulties at home and abroad. It is sometimes used by our enemies in attempts to hurt us. But the American people are entitled to it, nonetheless.
“They must know when the values that define our nation are intentionally disregarded by our security policies, even those policies that are conducted in secret. They must be able to make informed judgments about whether those policies and the personnel who supported them were justified in compromising our values; whether they served a greater good; or whether, as I believe, they stained our national honor, did much harm and little practical good.
“What were the policies? What was their purpose? Did they achieve it? Did they make us safer? Less safe? Or did they make no difference? What did they gain us? What did they cost us? The American people need the answers to these questions. Yes, some things must be kept from public disclosure to protect clandestine operations, sources and methods, but not the answers to these questions.
“By providing them, the Committee has empowered the American people to come to their own decisions about whether we should have employed such practices in the past and whether we should consider permitting them in the future. This report strengthens self-government and, ultimately, I believe, America’s security and stature in the world. I thank the Committee for that valuable public service.
“I have long believed some of these practices amounted to torture, as a reasonable person would define it, especially, but not only the practice of waterboarding, which is a mock execution and an exquisite form of torture. Its use was shameful and unnecessary; and, contrary to assertions made by some of its defenders and as the Committee’s report makes clear, it produced little useful intelligence to help us track down the perpetrators of 9/11 or prevent new attacks and atrocities.
“I know from personal experience that the abuse of prisoners will produce more bad than good intelligence. I know that victims of torture will offer intentionally misleading information if they think their captors will believe it. I know they will say whatever they think their torturers want them to say if they believe it will stop their suffering. Most of all, I know the use of torture compromises that which most distinguishes us from our enemies, our belief that all people, even captured enemies, possess basic human rights, which are protected by international conventions the U.S. not only joined, but for the most part authored.
“I know, too, that bad things happen in war. I know in war good people can feel obliged for good reasons to do things they would normally object to and recoil from.
“I understand the reasons that governed the decision to resort to these interrogation methods, and I know that those who approved them and those who used them were dedicated to securing justice for the victims of terrorist attacks and to protecting Americans from further harm. I know their responsibilities were grave and urgent, and the strain of their duty was onerous.
“I respect their dedication and appreciate their dilemma. But I dispute wholeheartedly that it was right for them to use these methods, which this report makes clear were neither in the best interests of justice nor our security nor the ideals we have sacrificed so much blood and treasure to defend.
“The knowledge of torture’s dubious efficacy and my moral objections to the abuse of prisoners motivated my sponsorship of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005, which prohibits ‘cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment’ of captured combatants, whether they wear a nation’s uniform or not, and which passed the Senate by a vote of 90-9.
“Subsequently, I successfully offered amendments to the Military Commissions Act of 2006, which, among other things, prevented the attempt to weaken Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions, and broadened definitions in the War Crimes Act to make the future use of waterboarding and other ‘enhanced interrogation techniques’ punishable as war crimes.
“There was considerable misinformation disseminated then about what was and wasn’t achieved using these methods in an effort to discourage support for the legislation. There was a good amount of misinformation used in 2011 to credit the use of these methods with the death of Osama bin Laden. And there is, I fear, misinformation being used today to prevent the release of this report, disputing its findings and warning about the security consequences of their public disclosure.
“Will the report’s release cause outrage that leads to violence in some parts of the Muslim world? Yes, I suppose that’s possible, perhaps likely. Sadly, violence needs little incentive in some quarters of the world today. But that doesn’t mean we will be telling the world something it will be shocked to learn. The entire world already knows that we water-boarded prisoners. It knows we subjected prisoners to various other types of degrading treatment. It knows we used black sites, secret prisons. Those practices haven’t been a secret for a decade.
“Terrorists might use the report’s re-identification of the practices as an excuse to attack Americans, but they hardly need an excuse for that. That has been their life’s calling for a while now.
“What might come as a surprise, not just to our enemies, but to many Americans, is how little these practices did to aid our efforts to bring 9/11 culprits to justice and to find and prevent terrorist attacks today and tomorrow. That could be a real surprise, since it contradicts the many assurances provided by intelligence officials on the record and in private that enhanced interrogation techniques were indispensable in the war against terrorism. And I suspect the objection of those same officials to the release of this report is really focused on that disclosure – torture’s ineffectiveness – because we gave up much in the expectation that torture would make us safer. Too much.
“Obviously, we need intelligence to defeat our enemies, but we need reliable intelligence. Torture produces more misleading information than actionable intelligence. And what the advocates of harsh and cruel interrogation methods have never established is that we couldn’t have gathered as good or more reliable intelligence from using humane methods.
“The most important lead we got in the search for bin Laden came from using conventional interrogation methods. I think it is an insult to the many intelligence officers who have acquired good intelligence without hurting or degrading prisoners to assert we can’t win this war without such methods. Yes, we can and we will.
“But in the end, torture’s failure to serve its intended purpose isn’t the main reason to oppose its use. I have often said, and will always maintain, that this question isn’t about our enemies; it’s about us. It’s about who we were, who we are and who we aspire to be. It’s about how we represent ourselves to the world.
“We have made our way in this often dangerous and cruel world, not by just strictly pursuing our geopolitical interests, but by exemplifying our political values, and influencing other nations to embrace them. When we fight to defend our security we fight also for an idea, not for a tribe or a twisted interpretation of an ancient religion or for a king, but for an idea that all men are endowed by the Creator with inalienable rights. How much safer the world would be if all nations believed the same. How much more dangerous it can become when we forget it ourselves even momentarily.
“Our enemies act without conscience. We must not. This executive summary of the Committee’s report makes clear that acting without conscience isn’t necessary, it isn’t even helpful, in winning this strange and long war we’re fighting. We should be grateful to have that truth affirmed.
“Now, let us reassert the contrary proposition: that is it essential to our success in this war that we ask those who fight it for us to remember at all times that they are defending a sacred ideal of how nations should be governed and conduct their relations with others – even our enemies.
“Those of us who give them this duty are obliged by history, by our nation’s highest ideals and the many terrible sacrifices made to protect them, by our respect for human dignity to make clear we need not risk our national honor to prevail in this or any war. We need only remember in the worst of times, through the chaos and terror of war, when facing cruelty, suffering and loss, that we are always Americans, and different, stronger, and better than those who would destroy us.
“Thank you.”
The most important part?
It is clearly McCain’s defense of “our belief that all people, even captured enemies, possess basic human rights, which are protected by international conventions the U.S. not only joined, but for the most part authored.”
Thank you, John McCain, for saying what needed to be said.
Yet another profile in cowardice in this claiming the victory stunt. Where was he in calling for investigation? Where is he in calling for investigation of torture by the military or other agencies of the federal government? MIA.
Just burnishing his maverickiness so he can keep his permanent TV gigs.
Yeah, I noticed that for such a long bit of posturing, any concept of actually holding anyone responsible was MIA.
So sayeth the man that also elevated and said that Sarah Palin was qualified to be POTUS.
McCain prefers bomb-bomb-bomb to torture. Understandable since he experienced the latter but never had the misfortune to be living with his family (families?) at US bomb-bomb-bomb sites.
Team America FUCK YEAH
I was just going to say: Another example of a Conservative showing empathy and understanding only for something that he has himself experienced. This is pretty much standard.
That said, better he should offer the statement than not. No human act is pure, this speech no more than others. But better this than singing stupid pop songs.
My first thought exactly. If he hadn’t experienced severe torture himself would he even care about this issue?
Still, it’s an excellent point. Few remember it, near the end of the first Gulf War, shortly after the ground invasion began, we were treated to video of literally many 10s of thousands of Iraqi soldiers – mostly conscripts – desperately giving themselves up to American soldiers. The US had dropped pamphlets in the days before the ground invasion describing in Arabic how to surrender and many of those surrendering were carrying the pamphlets. The soldiers had been trained in detail how to accept a surrender.
None of that would happen today. In 1991 the world knew that being a POW of the US wasn’t a bad thing – in fact your personal experience was likely to be much much better than fighting a resistance against the US. Thanks to the Bush criminals the world now knows that it is better to fight to the death against US troops than to become a POW. (Oh, sorry, you’re not a POW, you’re a “detainee” and thus you have no Geneva rights).
Well, at least no one in the CIA stole some cigarellos or was carrying Skittles and iced tea. At least the worst crimes were absent…
○ Feinstein Statement on CIA Detention, Interrogation Report | Dec. 13, 2012 |
Today Feinstein did not use the word “torture.” CIA has withheld 7% of the original report. There were two psychologusts involved in setting up the reverse engineered SERE program for use in torture techniques. The interrogation was outsourced to two companies [cost $80 million] with no CIA oversight and poor overall management. The two companes and the psychologists were not named in Feinstein’s speech today.
○ Conservative Lawyers Urge Bush To Issue ‘Pre-Emptive Pardons’ To Officials Involved In Illegal Programs
○ China Inspired Interrogations at Guantánamo | April 26, 2009 |
George Bush on the good people of the CIA …
○ George W. Bush Defends CIA Torture Program: “These Are Patriots” | C&L |
○ Torture Report: Here’s What Made George W. Bush Uncomfortable | TIME |
○ Professor Alfred McCoy Exposes the History of CIA Interrogation | Sept. 21, 2006 |
○ General Miller and General Ricardo Sanchez took Gitmo torture to Abu Ghraib.
Had he won in ’08 would he have closed Gitmo? Would he have exposed the black sites? Would he have bucked his party to do so?
Not bloody likely. You take the
king’sGOP’s shilling, you fight theking’sGOP’s war.(Oh, and Obama is worse than Bush. He sold us out. The Carthago delenda est of a new generation.)
Fort Huachuca’s War on Terror: Geronimo to Intelligence, Inc. | March 20, 2005 |
yeah, ok.
Even John McCain.
The release of the report and McCain’s statement here are good. The cynicism of commenters on this thread have the potential to be corrosive. Giving NO credit to politicians and officials who do the right thing makes it MUCH HARDER to achieve what we all want.
We’re one step closer to accountability today. Much more needs to be done to ensure that we restore a greater degree of morality to our policies, and I’m all for pushing for that, but today is a good day.
And for the misguided person who wrote here that Obama’s policies are worse, read the President’s statement today in response to this report and, as IMPERFECT as his statement is, compare it to the recent statements by Bush, Cheney, and all those who have been carrying their water, and reconsider your views.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/12/09/statement-president-report-senate-select-commi
ttee-intelligence
Statement by the President Report of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence
Throughout our history, the United States of America has done more than any other nation to stand up for freedom, democracy, and the inherent dignity and human rights of people around the world. As Americans, we owe a profound debt of gratitude to our fellow citizens who serve to keep us safe, among them the dedicated men and women of our intelligence community, including the Central Intelligence Agency. Since the horrific attacks of 9/11, these public servants have worked tirelessly to devastate core al Qaeda, deliver justice to Osama bin Laden, disrupt terrorist operations and thwart terrorist attacks. Solemn rows of stars on the Memorial Wall at the CIA honor those who have given their lives to protect ours. Our intelligence professionals are patriots, and we are safer because of their heroic service and sacrifices.
In the years after 9/11, with legitimate fears of further attacks and with the responsibility to prevent more catastrophic loss of life, the previous administration faced agonizing choices about how to pursue al Qaeda and prevent additional terrorist attacks against our country. As I have said before, our nation did many things right in those difficult years. At the same time, some of the actions that were taken were contrary to our values. That is why I unequivocally banned torture when I took office, because one of our most effective tools in fighting terrorism and keeping Americans safe is staying true to our ideals at home and abroad.
Today’s report by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence details one element of our nation’s response to 9/11–the CIA’s detention and interrogation program, which I formally ended on one of my first days in office. The report documents a troubling program involving enhanced interrogation techniques on terrorism suspects in secret facilities outside the United States, and it reinforces my long-held view that these harsh methods were not only inconsistent with our values as nation, they did not serve our broader counterterrorism efforts or our national security interests. Moreover, these techniques did significant damage to America’s standing in the world and made it harder to pursue our interests with allies and partners. That is why I will continue to use my authority as President to make sure we never resort to those methods again.
As Commander in Chief, I have no greater responsibility than the safety and security of the American people. We will therefore continue to be relentless in our fight against al Qaeda, its affiliates and other violent extremists. We will rely on all elements of our national power, including the power and example of our founding ideals. That is why I have consistently supported the declassification of today’s report. No nation is perfect. But one of the strengths that makes America exceptional is our willingness to openly confront our past, face our imperfections, make changes and do better. Rather than another reason to refight old arguments, I hope that today’s report can help us leave these techniques where they belong–in the past. Today is also a reminder that upholding the values we profess doesn’t make us weaker, it makes us stronger and that the United States of America will remain the greatest force for freedom and human dignity that the world has ever known.
This post is about John McCain. He had nothing to do with the investigation and a part of the report that has been released. Did nothing to expose and hold the Bush/Cheney administration accountable for its multiple criminal acts. On the contrary, he publicly supported most of them. He’s just trying to cover his butt long after the fact.
wtf? nothing is more justified than cynicism. There is no intention of punishing the torturers or the ones who gave the orders, so I would assert we’re farther from accountability than ever. the “horrific” attacks of 9/11 were the excuse for destroying our civil liberties. Obama’s statement is far beyond imperfect, it is immoral.
The Bush Administriation would have worked, probably successfully, to keep this Senate Intelligence Committee report secret. Obama isn’t even offering meaningful rhetorical cover to the CIA on this one. Thus, we now have factual information which helps our side in the future.
We also have learned that the GOP Senate caucus (and their rabid base) is objectively pro-torture, while the Dem Senate caucus is anti-torture and is trying to prevent the CIA from restoring these criminal and immoral practices.
Food for thought:
When was the last time you heard anyone mention “honor” in any geopolitical context? Or expect to again? Those days are long, long gone. Thanks, Senator, for that poignant vestige of a past we’re not even sure existed.
We are way past honour now and apparently cared little for it in any case.
Well, yeah, but actually honor is the key point here, at least in terms of military (more accurately, quasi-military) conduct. Otherwise, anything goes. So it’s about time they bring it up, because NOT everything goes.
The inevitable implication of former POW and retired vice admiral McCain’s statement is that the CIA has behaved dishonorably. In CIA terms, that’s a more damning criticism than saying they behaved unethically or inhumanely, since the latter, as far as they are concerned, are all in a day’s work.
To honour, then…
…and the torturers- the inventors, the lawyers, the actors, the apologists, the watchers, the acceptors- all walk among us.
But hey, Benghazi.
>The most important part?
It is clearly McCain’s defense of “our belief that all people, even captured enemies, possess basic human rights, which are protected by international conventions the U.S. not only joined, but for the most part authored.”<
Nah.
War is hell, and ISIS is no more savage than Muslim terrorism generally is.
Torture works for Americans in more ways than one.
It sometimes gleans useful information.
It always allows vicarious vengeance.
And it sends a message.
Roughly the same message as putting the severed heads of your enemies on the city walls.
ISIS is not the first to discover the uses of savagery in war.