Selzer & Company, an Iowa-based firm, did some polling of “likely Republican caucus-goers” and the results are pretty bad for Jeb Bush. Iowa Republicans gave Mitt Romney better numbers across the board, from being a strong candidate against Hillary Clinton, to understanding their problems, to creating jobs, to combating terrorism. Romney’s biggest advantage (49%-22%) was in “having a vision for the future.”
I think that last result is a pretty strong indication that voters see Jeb primarily as a Bush, and therefore as something past tense. In this kind of poll, you always have to consider the role of name recognition, but that’s complicated by everyone’s familiarity with the Bush family. So, in this case, a lack of familiarity with Jeb specifically means that’s he’s carrying the burden of people’s opinions of his brother and, to a lesser degree, his father.
It’s not that people will change their opinions of Jeb simply by getting to know him better. They’ll change their opinions to the degree that he defies their preconceived notions about him and differentiates himself. If his vision for the future is significantly different from what was on offer during his brother’s presidency, then his poll numbers will move in one direction or the other.
What’s clear from the polling data, though, is that being a Bush is not a plus among Iowa’s Republican base. It’s an anvil around Jeb’s neck.
If we’re talking about just the Iowa caucuses, Jeb has one notable disadvantage over his brother. He’s Catholic, but 56% of the electorate in 2012 was white evangelical. George W.’s conversion was much better suited to winning Iowa than Jeb’s.
Nonetheless, acting super-religious can somewhat compensate for having the wrong religion, as Rick Santorum understood and exploited to win the Iowa caucuses in 2012. The Jeb team is prepared:
A memo from a top adviser to Jeb Bush gives a clue as to how he could connect with the conservative base of his party if he runs for president: talking about his religious faith.
Faith is listed as one of nine “issues you care about” in a memo to Mr. Bush’s supporters from Sally Bradshaw that quotes Mr. Bush on each topic, offering an on-message preview of his potential bid for the Republican nomination.
Referring to his conversion to Catholicism, Mr. Bush says, “My faith was strengthened when I converted to my wife’s faith…It gives me a serenity that, in a world of a lot of turbulence, is really important. It creates a moral architecture that simplifies things. There are views that I have, that are grounded in faith, that really aren’t negotiable and it just simplifies things.”
That memo listing the things that Jeb “cares about” reminds me of his father accidentally reading “message: I care” off a teleprompter during the 1992 New Hampshire primary contest.
In any case, a Catholic (or even a Mormon) can win the Republican caucuses in Iowa, but it’s easier for a Protestant to do so, and the more evangelical the better. This might be even more true in South Carolina where 64% of the 2012 Republican primary voters were white evangelicals.
There’s some national polling from Fox News that suggests that Jeb will be the main beneficiary of Romney’s decision not to run, but national polling doesn’t matter much since very few voters will ever cast a meaningful vote in the Republican caucuses and primaries.
The transfer of support from Romney to Bush may happen organically, but it won’t be due to anything Mitt Romney has done. He’s made clear through selected leaks that he doesn’t think much of Jeb, and in his announcement that he wouldn’t run he said that he hoped and expected that the eventual nominee would be relatively unknown at this point, meaning that it wouldn’t be Jeb among others.
For some strange reason your piece struck me as a larger story of Eric Gardner. Everyone saw the video, heard the cries for help; understood the circumstances.
Then, it took prosecutors months to rewind that tape and convince that grand jury that what they saw was not of final consequence.
The whole political field now is trying to rewind tapes and Jeb isn’t the only one who hasn’t let his vision cat out of the bag. Until Jeb does, he’s leaving Iowa and all the rest of us stuck on his Bushness and it’s going to take any prosecutor more than a few months to forget that.
That’s an interesting take on it that would not have occurred to me.
“In any case, a Catholic (or even a Mormon) can win the Republican caucuses “
I don’t know. Really? With THIS Pope in charge?
“…Be poor among the poor. We need to include the excluded and preach peace.”
“but also by unfair economic structures that creates huge inequalities.”
“If someone is gay and he searches for the Lord and has good will, who am I to judge?”
(all and many more from: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/p/pope_francis.html)
Do you think that a few comments on how much Jeb must love giving away stuff to poor, how accepting he is of Gay Love, and how he feels he has to change the Capitalist system (because after all, all Catholics bow down and kiss the papal ring) would be well received?
I think we can all forget about this for about 16 months. It’s Jeb and Hillary. End of story.
Likely assuming no substantive local and/or national changes in the next twelve months and/or no fatal political meltdown for Hillary and/or Jeb! Both seems to be holding back in announcing to reduce the chances of the latter occurrence over which they will have limited to no control.
Right now, the only thing that can get me to vote for Hillary is an (insert any name) Bush opponent.
Right now I’m holding out for any candidate that I can’t easily describe as evil or lesser evil. Someone truly decent, smart, and adequately experienced may be too much to ask for; but, if we don’t ask, no chance we’ll get it.
So you’ll vote for Scott Walker instead of Hillary Clinton?
Nice.
Might just sit home. Would not vote for Walker, but would take even Joe Lieberman before any Bush.
Sorry, Farm, but I’m sick to death of Democrats who say they are for the people but vote for the 0.01%
Already have their names etched in stone on my MMXVI Presidential Election slab (home version). Just a matter now of filling in their running mates.
I almost want to begin chiseling in the name of that Walker guy, the one with the dead shark’s eyes. Always tho forget his first name — Chet? Jimmy?
Not easy to see a winning combination for either of them. Jeb has the more difficult task because he needs to add many states to his column that recently have been out of reach for a Republican POTUS candidate. Walker isn’t going to get him there unless Hillary chooses a VP that bombs in a debate against Walker as badly as Lieberman and Edwards did in theirs.
IF the traditional mainline GOP (social moderate, economic conservatives) voter even exists in meaningful numbers anymore. In my extended family circles, a good portion of those voters have died off or re-aligned.
The party’s primary base seems to be a hell broth of sub & ex-urban, wanna be down market dipshits. (I believe it was Kevin Drum that referred to them as the Fuck You Boys.)
Stan Greenberg rather than Drum.
The traditional mainline Republicans have become ConservaDems like Rahm Emanuel and Joe Lieberman. The former Liberal Republicans like Nelson Rockefeller and Charles Percy have become moderate Democrats. Only the Eisenhower-is-a-conscious-Communist-agent Birchers remain from the old Party.
Believe me, in the ’50s and ’60s, the religious fanatic/anti-science faction did not exist (except as Birchers), at least in the North.
By ‘relative unknown’ Romney means Scott Walker?
Wouldn’t sweat Iowa for Jeb!
Religion does play an important role in the GOP caucus results — but how varies based on the candidates running. If there’s one strongly identifiable evangelical in the mix, that also appears to be a viable candidate, that individual has a good shot at getting about 35% of the caucus vote. (see 2008 when Huck won)
However, there is a strong constituency for a Catholic candidate (almost all Republican Catholics are of the pre-Vatican II variety).
There is the not so religiously identified base that goes along with the candidate that seems to have the nod from TPTB. Approximately 25%, but isn’t monolithic and usually splits among the various offerings.
Finally, there’s the self-styled libertarian yahoos. (approximately 10%)
Mitt did about the same in 2008 and 2012, but it would be a mistake to view his 24+% as a base. No Catholic in 2008 and no strong evangelical in 2012. More perception of being TPTB choice in 2012 than 2008.
In 2012 — the two weaker candidates that were most identified with Protestant fundamentalism (Perry and Bachmann) received a combined total of 15% — and neither could be defined in purely religious terms. Perry picked up some residual Bush-TX support.) The rigid protestant evangelical GOP caucus vote could be set at 10-12%. IOW — they’re not going to vote for a Catholic, a Mormon, etc. One of their own or nothing. The less rigid evangelicals will split among the other candidates with some voting their white identity (at least half of Newt’s 13.3% in 2012 and at least half of Paul’s additional 11% in 2012).
Where does that Catholic vote go in 2016 if Jeb!, Christie, and Santorum are all in the race? Don’t know, but Ricky isn’t going to get 24.6% unless the fundies flock en mass to him.
Jeb! will get the lion’s share of TPTB votes plus a goodly chunk of the Catholic vote. Scott Walker may be the one best position to eat into the votes of all the 2012 candidates but that does depend on who else is running. Best happy hunting grounds for him are among those that voted for Romney, Paul, Newt, Perry, and Bachmann in 2012, but that’s in the absence of another Huckster run.
Ah, yes, the first steps might be a little rocky for the newly christened “unabashed Capitalist Conservative” (a darker shade of his idiot bro’s “compassionate conservatism” of Race 2000? Remember that?) So “unabashed capitalist conservative” is the approved “vision” of conservatism this Bush-time around. Meaningless as ever–or actually the same meaning as ever. But Jeb’s gonna be the boy of the party establishment and the Repubs always seem to end up with whomever the funders have chosen for their cogs to support.
It certainly would be interesting if we could have a prez race where candidates had to answer some basic questions. For unabashed Capitalist Catholic Conservative Jeb B, a few might be
–Should our capitalist job creators have to suffer any gub’mint regulation on their bizness operations? What is the difference between a legitimate regulation and an illegitimate one?
—what was the cause of the Great Recession?
–Does torture work?
—was the invasion of Iraq a wise idea?–either at the time or in retrospect?
–Why does the share of income of the top 1% keep increasing while the share of most other groups either stagnates or declines? What is your solution to this?
–what do the NASA scientists say is the primary cause of the current warming of the planet? Do you think you are entitled to doubt them? On a scale of one to ten how urgent of a problem is the warming?
—How many Catholic males on the Supreme Court is enough?
Of course, no actual answer would ever be forthcoming, nor would the corporate media ask such questions.
It was interesting to see Jeb again on the teevee. He’s lookin’ pretty stale and bedraggled, pasty, double chinned, flabby, it’s almost as though the capitalist conservative lifestyle just ain’t agreeing with him! No mountain bike crashes for him! Or perhaps Jeb’s hoping he won’t be recognized as a Bush Boy! As for the likelihood of choking on a pretzel and falling against coffee tables, those are the great unknowns….
You forgot about Terri Schiavo. The perfect example of the conservative small government.
If all USians voted, the Schiavo issue would be a stone cold loser for Jeb! Fortunately for him, 40-50% of the electorate doesn’t vote and those that vote GOP all the time or some of the time won’t factor in the Schiavo issue for one very good reason, Democrats went AWOL in fear that Schiavo was a GOP electoral winner.
But what’s the difference between a Capitalist Catholic Conservative and a Capitalist Koch Conservative? Like his big bro, Jeb! could add another C word to his spiel if forced to duke it out with Walker — Jeb! will be the Compassionate Capitalist Catholic Conservative.
Jeb has the big buck
donorsowners. That’s all he needs to be their puppet.doesn’t matter. Polling in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina does.
Iowa’s role is to winnow the field – on the GOP side there have been a number of Iowa winners who have not gone on to win the nomination. Much of this is because NH has an open primary and the electorate is very different – which may be particularly true this time because Hilary has little opposition.
Jeb has to win New Hampshire. Period. In the past Iowa has tended to anoint the candidate least likely to pose a realistic threat to the nomination. If that happens Jeb could win NH. But I don’t think Jeb is going to get the nomination.