Damon Linker tells me that it is totally understandable for the administrators of a high school to be concerned when they discover that a “former student also happens to be a member of the Ku Klux Klan, or a neo-Nazi, or a convicted felon” and that when this happens “then the school will naturally seek to downplay the connection — and to sever any explicit ties between them.” For example, they’d be within their rights to remove links on the school’s website to an approving profile of a Klan member or Nazi that is published in the Washington Post.
Linker acknowledges that these hypothetical administrators “can…link to or remove a link to anyone it wants for whatever reason.” He’s careful to point out that what he’s discussing here isn’t really something of great import because it “isn’t about politics or the law” and “has nothing to do with religious freedom or state power.”
Indeed, not.
If I could summarize here, for Linker it doesn’t matter if the Washington Post wants to fluff a white supremacist who just happened to go to your high school, you don’t have to link to the article on your school website.
If this were all Linker was writing about we could wholeheartedly agree with him and call it a day.
Unfortunately, Linker isn’t writing about a Nazi. He’s writing about a guy who opposes gay marriage.
Now, you could be forgiven for thinking that this shouldn’t change Linker’s argument at all. I mean, the key point above was not related to the particular repellent retrograde opinions in question. The key point was that there are no legal reasons why school administrators should feel compelled to link approvingly to profiles on its graduates. Full stop.
There is no need for us to further exercise our logical minds here. A school decided not to link to a story about one of their graduates. That’s their right.
So, what is Linker going on about?
It’s not political. He said so.
It’s not about religious freedom. He admitted as much.
It has nothing to do with the law or state power.
What it does have to do with, however, is the way that opposition to gay marriage is becoming a taboo much like white supremacy became a taboo. Yet, the school administrators did not mention miscegenation or Jim Crow. Here’s what the Head of School had to say about his decision to delink from the article:
I believe that Mr. [Ryan] Anderson is entitled to hold the views he does, and I respect his educational and professional accomplishments. As the article remarks, he is seen as a “fresh face” for the anti-gay-marriage movement largely because of the civil and reasoned manner in which he presents his arguments. I hope that his ability to respectfully disagree with his opponents has at least some root in his experiences at Friends School. That said, as a Quaker school, we strive to create an environment where “that of God” in every person is acknowledged and respected. By choosing to highlight an article about an alumnus whose work is based on a set of beliefs that begin from an assumption of inequality and that argue for the denial of rights to an entire segment of the population based on their identity, I now realize that we erred. I promise that we will draw on this experience as a tool for learning about how we can help to create a sense of acceptance and well-being for all, while also providing for the open and respectful exchange of ideas. We can and must do better in the difficult work of balancing these competing ideals.
Now, Mr. Anderson doesn’t agree with that characterization of his beliefs, but you can see here that the only reference to race is one that can inferred by the idea of “the denial of rights to an entire segment of the population based on their identity.” That’s the key insight.
Because you can talk all you want about how marriage has been perceived and treated historically, but once you accept that denying marriage rights to gays is similar in kind to denying marriage rights to mixed race couples, then it’s game over.
Linker knows this, and Ryan Anderson knows it, too. That’s why they make such a fuss about it. It’s why Linker opened this column talking about Nazis and the Klan instead of some nice gay couple who is being prevented from leaving each other an inheritance or adopting a child. Linker tried to make this all about race which is self-defeating because race is ultimately the example that kills his argument.
For Anderson, the gay marriage issue is not about race.
Every great thinker who has ever written about marriage, you never see a discussion of race… Whether it’s Plato, Aristotle, or Cicero, whether it’s the Jews, Christians, and Muslims, whether it’s Augustine, Aquinas, Luther, Calvin, John Locke, Immanuel Kant, Muhammad, Gandhi — none of them talk about skin color; each and every one of them talk about sexual complementarity.
So, for the victim of this profile-delinking scandal, opposition to gay marriage isn’t like opposition to mixed race children like Barack Obama because that’s a different kind of icky. Plato didn’t concern himself with that kind of icky. Come to think of it, Plato was quite fond of the other kind of icky but…I’m losing my train of thought…
Damn you, Alcibiades!
So, where was I?
Yes, Linker wants to make this all about the Klan but Anderson desperately wants to keep this restricted to same-sex butt-sex.
But we were really talking about a school delinking to a profile of an alumnus because that’s their fucking right to do that, that’s why.
So, is this Head of School really a “petulant thug,” as Linker seems to suggest, or is he just a victim of a concerted campaign by “the gay rights movement and many liberals” to stamp out dissent and drive into the wilderness every person who holds a contrary position”?
Here’s my idea on this. Can we stop pretending that marriage is controlled by the Church? It’s a civil construct, and being married has legal consequences under state and federal law. I don’t give two fucks how you feel about two men kissing or a white man and a Japanese woman having a child together. I don’t care what your Good Book says about these things or what you think your Good Book says about them. Only one question really matters: are you for denying people the opportunity to pick one person to be married to for the purpose of being considered married under the law?
That’s it.
And if you want to deny people that right, don’t speak to me about Cicero or Immanuel Kant because they didn’t live in our society and they don’t get a vote in how we treat gays and lesbians in this country.
What this is really about is certain people wanting to keep opposition to gay marriage from being a thoroughly disreputable opinion to hold in polite society. They don’t want people to be shunned for holding an unpopular opinion. My response to this is to ask the people holding these unpopular opinions to answer my question. Do you want to keep people from being considered married under the law just because they are of the same gender?
If you do, that’s going to get you shunned for the simple reason that we now recognize what Thomas Aquinas and Martin Luther did not. People do not choose which gender they are attracted to and they can’t change it through prayer. I can say a trillion Hail Marys and I will never want to get in bed with a man. We understand this now.
We’re not going back.
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GET DA PHUQ OUTTA HERE!!!!
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New Kinloch mayor blocked by police from entering city hall
POSTED 9:43 PM, APRIL 23, 2015
KINLOCH, MO (KTVI) – Our Fox 2 cameras were the only ones there as the newly-elected Kinloch mayor was greeted by police for her first day on the job.
Betty McCray was not only prevented from entering city hall, she was also told she’d been impeached before she got a chance to start.
McCray ran for mayor in the April 7 election and won.
After the election results were certified earlier this week by the St. Louis County Board of Elections, Kinloch’s outgoing administration refused to allow the city clerk to give McCray the oath of office, claiming voter fraud.
“Today is the first day that that the city hall door has been unlocked. They keep it locked,” McCray said. “You got to beat and you got to bang (to get in). They have an officer police sitting right at the door.”
On Thursday, McCray was ready to start on the job, but was met with strong resistance. Fox 2 was there with McCray when she showed up at city hall, where she was greeted by more than 20 Kinloch police officers.
http://fox2now.com/2015/04/23/new-kinloch-mayor-blocked-by-police-from-entering-city-hall/
Wow.
We have become a country without laws.
Those cops might as well put on their silky robes and pointy caps.
Well, this is rural Missouri. They’ve been without laws for quite some time.
Booman — Well Done, Lad!!! The GOP Right Will Hang Themselves Eventually — They’ve Already Given Themselves Enough Rope!
Thanks, wootman.
Case in point:
Well done. The would-be erudite Ryan Anderson has a few missing pieces in his assertion of tradition.
Not to mention that whole genetic basis of sexual orientation research results.
And then there’s this:
Harvard Kennedy School: Study Suggests the Easily Disgusted are More Homophobic
Will be interesting to see if this is accepted after further study.
The good news is that I bet disgust goes down with exposure. My tv-friend who years ago would explode in outrage about HBO or Cinemax “shoving homosexuality in our faces” with gay characters kissing, is now complaining that the bare ass of a gay lover in Game of Thrones is sub-par.
Back in my tedious atheists days, I learned the phrase “courtier’s reply,” to describe the complaint (usually from Catholic theologians) that atheists couldn’t say God doesn’t exist because they hadn’t spent years studying God. What did we know about Thomas Aquinas and all the rest of it? But none of that erudition really addresses whether God exists, only what one tradition’s (highly detailed and intellectually rigorous) view of that God is.
Linker sounds like that kind of person, who might argue that I can’t have a sound opinion on gay marriage because I haven’t read Greek philosophy in detail; how it would be just coarse to argue that the Bible sanctions polygamy (and slavery), or that Greek philosopher’s diddled little boys. How uncouth of me! How ill-informed! It’s a way to avoid engaging in a discussion because you’ve made the price of entry so high (and favorable to yourself), with the added benefit of really making the topic about something else: “Well, you don’t truly understand The Dialogues.”
Conservatives seem to respect this kind of “thought” more highly than liberals — probably related to the cultural & intellectual elitism (re: Harold Bloom “Closing of the American Mind”). I see it a little bit out on the far, far left, but Arguing From a Better Grasp of Important Books We All Admire just isn’t a mainstream liberal ploy.
Anyway, this guy is an asshole.
So, is this Head of School really a “petulant thug,” as Linker seems to suggest, or is he just a victim of a concerted campaign by “the gay rights movement and many liberals” to stamp out dissent and drive into the wilderness every person who holds a contrary position”?
Are those the only choices you got? How about the Head of School made a considered decision on a controversial topic?
Other choices include: these dudes are wankers.
The small private high school I graduated sent me a fund raising letter mentioning some key architect of the Bush regime attended my school in the sixties. I sent an email confirming it was one of the officials that could potentially be tried for war crimes; the alumni director acknowledged that, but also pointed to his career success.
I’m glad Quaker private schools still have some decency.
Damon Linker is not a wanker of any day. He’s just following the social media hacks down their rat hole.
We don’t have to shun anyone for thinking gay marriage is stupid or immoral or unnecessary. Heck, I’m gay and think gay marriage is stupid. But BooMan gets it when he says that marriage is not religious. He just made the case for civil marriage and an end to religious involvement in the damn thing. That’s fine with me, but that’s not what wankers like Andrew Sullivan want. They want to be part of some silly church and so I despise gay christians with the same vehemence as the religious fanatics. They are the same to me.
But when Linker writes this he wins my vote for hero of the day: “By all means, fight for your rights. Work to win the public argument. But then accept that the world is a big place, not everyone agrees with you, and those on the other side have as much right to make their (losing) case as you do.”
Also known as “Live and let live.” Gay people and their supporters should leave the dumb ass christians alone and have some self-respect. We don’t need acceptance, tolerance, or anything else from the little freaks.
What a well written post.
And I’m going to ring and agree that church marriage and legal marriage (unions?) should get a divorce.
I would go a step further, and suggest that The Church (of you choice) should lose it power to administer ‘legal marriage’ entirely. Then they can just go about having religious ceremonies, and they can do anything they want with it. Dogs, cats, Mormons / plural wives, who cares.
If the two are separated, a lot of the argument is just gone. Society can move forward and religion can move forward, each can take whatever direction it wishes.
It surprised me that civil unions didn’t satisfy a lot of people who are pro-gay marriage. Maybe since I’m an atheist, I underestimated the depth of the religious angle, both to the pro- AND anti-marriage faithful. But even there, separating the legal from the religious is better. If you have an issue with your religion, take it up with the leadership, but it should not botch up your taxes or your insurance coverage, Right?
Civil unions did satisfy many of us in the lesbian and gay community. The ones not happy with that arrangement were the so-called gay and lesbian christians and jews who wanted to get married in their silly churches and synagogues. Notice there are no mosques even considering SSM. What does that tell you?
The christian and jewish gay and lesbian community can go deal with this problem themselves. They are flipping nuts anyway. I have no interest in continuing any dialogue with the christians opposing SSM. They don’t matter.