Here’s the latest Quinnipiac poll. Colorado, Iowa, and Virginia voters on the 2016 Presidential race. It’s so early in the election cycle that it could be meaningless. Or detecting a whiff of something.
Clinton supporters are denouncing it. Sanders supporters find it encouraging. And prefer not to imagine the jubilation among partisan Republicans, particularly Jeb(!), Marco, and Scott supporters.
Is it an outlier? Compared to other national polls that have Clinton decimating her potential GOP opponents? Absolutely. Compared to Q’s April poll of these three “swing states,” it’s well within the MOE and normal bounces seen from one poll to the next. It’s also being noted that Q’s 2012 Presidential polling sucked.
That is one factor in why I flubbed poll reading in 2014. I too heavily discounted Q’s polliing trendlines in Senate races. So, I’m not inclined to discount Q’s April and July “swing state” polling. There’s Internal consistency in these two polls.
Another reason not to discount Q’s polling is a component of polling external validation. None of the recent polls have her performing well on that honest/trustworthy or not ratio. Of course, that doesn’t mean that voters reject candidates that they view as dishonest. (Of that 60.7% of people that cast their vote for Nixon in 1972, most knew that he was a “crook.”) OTOH, Democratic pols aren’t so good at exploiting an opponent’s untrustworthiness and Republican pols are quite good at this if they have even a shred of substance to work with. (Wish the poll had included honest/dishonest for Trump, but his net fav/unfav suggests that he’s too lame to make it across the finish line.)
A second form of external validation for Q’s poll is the 2014 Senate election in these states. We’re only just over nine months out from the “voter mood” that elected Gardner and Ernst and came very close to tossing out the oh-so-popular Mark Warner. Never a good idea to discount discernable “voter mood” sixteen months before the next general election. It was a guide to the general election results from 2006 through 2014. However, a pronounced “mood” is not currently evident at the national level and these three states are swingy enough that they have yet to recover from their 2014 hangover.
Sanders’ supporters would be unwise to read much in this poll as evidence that he would be a stronger DEM candidate than Clinton. At best it suggests that he wouldn’t be a complete disaster. I’m not confident that if Clinton is deprived of the nomination, that a high percentage of her female supporters wouldn’t act like many of the conservative Democrats did in 1972. Sit on their hands harboring the fantasy that if nominated, Clinton would win.
Bottom line, the electoral map is still ugly for the GOP, but becoming a little less ugly might be in progress. And if it’s an underlying “mood” trend, Clinton will be hard pressed to do more than slow it way down.
PPP 7/22/15 national polling report.
More Republicans, at this time, may love tRump than any other candidate, but that’s close to the limit of his overall appeal. A majority of the electorate pretty much loathes him.
It appears that tRump is picking the pockets of all the other contenders except Walker, Carson, and Huckabee.
Yeah, but…here’s your own flub, Marie. You believe that “the polls” actually reach reach “the electorate.” Trump and the rapidly growing Hispanic vote have changed those rules. Many of the people who are rabid Trumpsters will not take part in polls of this sort, and neither will many Hispanic voters. Different reasons, same results. Given an adequate motivation to vote, these people will come out of the woodwork in great numbers. Will they cancel each other out? Maybe. We will see, won’t we. My bet is that the Trumpsters will come out first and in greater numbers because they still believe in the American Dream…a dream which Trump is selling big-time…while the Hispanics generally know better and only believe in whatever the real work that they do will give them.
If HRC falters, the female vote that is supposedly guaranteed to her will also falter.
Bad news for the Dems and in this case, bad news for the country as well.
Watch.
AG
Polling and statistics are like play free-form jazz.
Many of the people who are rabid Trumpsters will not take part in polls of this sort
And you know that how? Some “Trumpster” that you met said he hadn’t been polled and would refuse to participate if asked? That’s anecdotal. Or did you just pull it out of you know where?
As Trump is leading in all the GOP polls, are you saying that his “true” support is many times larger? They’re just too embarrassed to admit it? The Wilder effect? Pollsters, in general, have gotten a lot better since then. And unlike 1948 when Gallup didn’t bother to poll the AA community because they’re participation rates and voting patterns hadn’t changed since they began to measure it, current pollsters don’t leave out discrete groups and mathematically make adjustments if the survey sample had too few respondents for certain groups.
There’s a bit of art and luck to sampling and that’s why all polls include a MOE. Trust you appreciate what MOE means.
Throughout an electoral cycle, the trendlines are as important as the percentages for each of the candidates. Will have to wait until after the first debate to see if either changes for the candidates.
And I know that how?
Seat of the pants, an area that I trust much more than “polls.” Cleaser and better smelling, too.
Many polls are fixed/skewed and./or incompetent, first of all, and if Trump’s constituency consists largely of people who are fed up with misdirection from both the media and the political class in general, why would they settle in when phoned by a media entity and chat with them? I don’t…I hang up as soon as I hear the media robot on the other end. Same w/digital polling. The groups of people that I know well that distrust the government and its media…a group that is in many ways the antithesis of Trump’s followers except for their antipathy towards the PermaGov, consisting of aware blacks, latinos and millennials of all races and classes…simply have no use for its hype machine in any of its forms. And there are millions of us. Why would Trump’s followers be otherwise? Trump isn’t…he is defying the PermaGov, albeit from a far right-wing stance. I don’t think that the polls or the media can handle him. So far the results back me up.
You asked; I answered.
Be well.
AG
The polls exhibit no inability to handle tRump. This diary is about Q polling to date in this and the 2014 election cycles, and not your gut. Q has an easily verifiable track record and your gut doesn’t.
Everyone, including the media and GOP, can see that the media and GOP are having difficulty handling tRump. So, in this instance, your gut is only stating the obvious.
Keep failing to recognize that your personal sample is in no way representative of the total US population and your projections will continue to be worse than flipping a coin.
You write:
OK…
Here is Q’s take on Backtrak Obysmal as of several weeks ago:
You believe in polls, right? You think that Quinnipiac is the real deal? OK, What does this say about Trump? It basically says that Obama has failed in the eyes of the country; that the the voters don’t think Bush would have been any better, and that they are suffering from buyer’s remorse over their so-called “choice” of Obama over Romney.
These are the same kinds of clomp-clomp-clomping assholes who have believed in the PermaGov fix since it was first established w/the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers. Even they are beginning to see through at least the first layer of said fix.
And…MIRABLE DICTU!!!…up pops Trump!!!
Hmmm…
WTFU.
The fix is always in and has been so at least since Dealey Plaza.
Bet on it.
If Trump passes the PermaGov fealty/fix test…he is in like Quinn.
If not?
There are always the new old reliables.
A Clinton or a Butch.
Watch.
AG
Don’t think ’14 can compare to ’16. Still, it does irk me a little because of how bad CO, VA, and IA were compared with what I thought they’d be in those senate races.
conservatives 7/20/07: “Don’t think ’06 can compare to ’08.”
If Democrats run from the same playbook in ’16 as they did in ’14 Senate races, they should be prepared for similar results.
Not comparable because one would think they’d do worse in ’08 than ’06. Kinda reverse.
Why would they have thought that over a year before the VP nomination of Snowball Snookie and the Wall St. meltdown?
If one were a partisan Republican, a high percentage of their 2006 losses could be chalked up to a few seemingly minor flubs and unfortunate revelations. “Macacca” took out a major 2008 POTUS contender and only by an extremely small winning margin. McCaskill and Tester barely won. GOP incumbents did lose by wide margins in OH, PA, and RI — but the DEM challengers were highly skilled politicians.
The “mood” mid-2005 did favor Democrats, but the DSCC wasn’t exactly on top of it. Nor were “leftie” bloggers. The latter was enamored with Paul Hackett who would have lost to incumbent DeWine. (Even Schumer could see that loss coming and in desperation begged the progressive Brown to run. That pissed off the “lefties.”) The DSCC was less than no help in ridding us of the toxic Lieberman. Webb was on his own as a token candidate. Don’t think it was much better for Tester.
The Foley scandal bled out onto House races in general, but the primary ground — minimum wage increase — had been laid down by team Pelosi.
One difference between 2006 and 2014 results is that those elected in 2006 delivered on their campaign pledges. The 2014 winners aren’t.
My guesstimate of the current “mood” is that its a draw — which isn’t such a good position for the incumbent party but beats being underwater.
interesting was the close connection in the numbers between O’s job approval and Clinton’s favorability.
I haven’t taken the time to look, but it would be interesting to see how strong the relationship is.
PPP’s poll in Virginia shows Clinton beating Bush by 8, Rubio by 4, and Walker by 5.
Her numbers in these trial heats are 47, 47, and 46.
Obama’s job approval rating in Virginia is 47-48.
I am pessimistic about ’16. The economy simply hasn’t gotten better enough to overcome the typical resistance Parties face after a two term President.
I’m not as convinced that the general state of the economy is as defining of national election results as Democrats tend to believe it is. It’s one variable for sure. The lag time between implementation of national policies, for better or worse, to the results is too long for ordinary people to assess and vote accordingly. Long enough that both parties can spin it to their advantage. When for over thirty years policies of both parties have favored the “haves” and disadvantaged the “have nots.”
If what ends up being on offer is yet another round of Clinton or Bush, it could go either way. And will be as exciting as watching paint dry.
“Do Colorado voters trust Hillary? No, they do not. Do they think she cares about their needs? No they do not.
“So the door is open to a GOP candidate voters can believe in.”
Non sequitur, there are NO GOP candidates that voters can believe in, except for voters with grits for brains.