When does an “overeager and ill-considered contrariness” crossover from mere assholishness into what we properly consider to be race-hatred or white/cultural supremacy? That’s really not the question, though, because the National Review is the only magazine/webzine of its type that regularly has to fire people for going too far on the race-hatred. And, frankly, they have a pretty low standard for that anyway.
But enough with that political correctness, amirite?
The point is to be provocative.
Oh, the point is also to put some butts in the luxury cabins on the National Review’s latest cruise (the Danube sounds nice), but I digress.
In any case, it’s true that there are countries in the world that really haven’t signed up for our kind of pluralistic mixing of races, religions, languages, and cultures. The Swiss, for example, and the Japanese. And it’s true that these countries can seem pretty racist by our standards when our standards don’t necessarily fit them. Fortunately, however, the Swiss never got much involved in the human flesh trade and when the Japanese attempted it they got microwaved. The question could be better framed by trying to understand what kind of place a country must be rather than what kind of country most of their citizens might want to be.
Here in America, we need immigrants to fill our labor needs, just as Europe discovered they needed Turks and Arabs in their workforces. Our choices really were to not have the kind of economy we needed or to accede to an influx of folks whose first language isn’t English or German or French. It’s pretty much always been this way in America, at least once we’d established an industrial base. And we’ve always welcomed our new immigrant friends with a giant middle finger.
That is, we’ve always had lots of folks who were genuinely incensed if not outright panicked about the influx of Wops and Micks and Pollocks and Wetbacks. You could call these people assholes or “nationalists” or “know-nothings,” but I think it’s okay to call them racists, too.
In America, at least, the constant presence of a new generation of unwelcome immigrants is as much a part of what characterizes our culture as the beret or the baguette are for the French.
Because we’re also incredibly bighearted and generous to these folks. For all the whining about “pressing ‘1’ for English,” the majority of Americans accept that we’re a nation of immigrants and likes it this way.
For us, what makes America distinct and great isn’t anything that exists prior to these immigrants coming in and adding their contributions, but the fact that they’re always coming and always contributing.
The Swiss and the Japanese don’t have the same history with immigration, and they haven’t historically had the same labor needs. But, here’s the key, if they need immigrant labor then they need to adapt their cultural expectations rather than form nationalist parties based on the idea of preserving their cultural identity. It’s okay to be proud of your Japaneseness or Swissness or Frenchness, but once your country has to become diverse for economic reasons, you lose the right to expect that everything will remain as before.
What happens is that some people always figure out that there’s political power to be had in representing and stoking people’s discomfort with change. Racism is how this manifests itself. So, you tell people that you’re going to slow the pace of change (reduce immigration) or you’re going to roll it back (you’ll deport all the undocumented workers). You suggest to people that all their tax money is going to lazy immigrants. You spread the fear that the immigrants carry disease. You feed off the natural annoyance people have of not being able to understand foreign languages that are being spoken in their communities. You play off religious differences and schisms.
Oh, and you also constantly tell people how great they are, how great they were before all this change, and how great they can be again if we can just roll back the clock to some idyllic period that (in this country) never really existed.
Needless to say, this is all bullshit. It always makes people worse people than they were before they were exposed to your exploitative hate-mongering. And it’s always a distraction from the real issue, which is the demand for labor.
When states crack down on undocumented workers, the first thing that happens is that their produce rots on the trees and in the fields.
So, yeah, it’s kind of a natural human response to immigration that some percentage of people will feel very uncomfortable, but the people who live off and heighten that discomfort are worse than mere contrarians. They’re sociopathic manipulators whose net effect is basically evil.
Just like the poor, they are always with us.
Never gets old.
What the Bears did in that game was incredible.
Actually I’ve been to Basel and it’s a lot more diverse than you think. There are quite a few Muslims and some quite black people from North Africa and everybody gets along splendidly. Maybe Basel is special, I dunno, it does have a lot of international events. Still, just sayin’.
In other words, Fox News.
There exists a wage at which I will go out and pick fruit. When I was younger, this wage was considerably less. Probably still more than the Mexicans get, but the notion that Americans will starve rather than pick fruit off the trees is silly. Yes, if you suddenly lose 11,000 workers, as in Georgia, they will not immediately be replaced. And Georgia cannot have its own immigration policy. But if the US stopped immigration, there would be a painful transition, followed by the work getting done without the immigrants. It just won’t get done as cheaply. This means we will all have to pay more for food, housing (largely constructed and maintained with Mexican labor), restaurant food, etc. In some cases, higher prices would mean we do without – less eating out if the cooks are better paid. So we are broadly benefiting.
The unemployed, scarcely employed, or insecurely employed feel they are bearing the brunt of the cost. And they are. But unemployment might not be lower if the immigrants were gone. In fact, talking about the immigrants as the source of unemployment is like talking about the laziness, stupidity, or drug-addledness of the poor as the source – it doesn’t even matter. The Fed as a matter of policy keeps unemployment above a floor intended to prevent accelerating inflation. Unemployment now, and certainly labor force participation, which is more important, is higher than that floor, so there is room for improvement, but there is so ultimate solution for unemployment until the government decides there should be one. Perhaps not a sufficient, but a necessary condition.
In the meantime, immigrant labor is suppressing wages in low-skilled professions, and, ironically, the tech sector. It is also suppressing prices, but it is suppressing prices for all and wages only for some, and some of the prices it supresses the most – such as domestic labor and construction – are only paid by the at least somewhat well-off. On the other hand, it is fueling economic growth simply by growing the population of the country, and the immigrant population tends young and towards high birthrates, which bodes well for our old-age social programs, should they be brought completely into the system. On balance, I’ll take it, but pretending that the only reason people have concerns about immigration is irrational fear is not accurate.
The American fruit picker wage is prohibitively high. I’ve seen reports of $20 an hour not being enough.
So what? The wages of picking are probably not even that high a component of final cost. After all, retail is bound to take close to 50%, maybe more. Then there is a lot of technology in food production, and first world land is expensive, especially California. I would be surprised if $25 an hour for pickers made my produce prices double, and produce is some of the cheapest stuff in the market.
August 2015 On U.S. Farms, Fewer Hands for the Harvest. US production of fruits and vegetables is declining because we fail to provide a decent standard of living to good farm workers.
$20/hour is not unreasonable — and not all that expensive if farm labor contractors are cut out of the equation.
Id be willing to do it for 25, but my lower back is crap.
Aside from the mixed economic aspects of uncontrolled mass immigration, there are other issues that are problematic, and are not much discussed by anyone. The immigrants are an exploited underclass that must live under the radar and are therefore prey to unethical employers, as well as criminals. People who hire them break the law and participate in their exploitation. This is a form of apartheid and it is as immoral as south african apartheid. Their presence fuels a huge illegal black market economy. Everyone who hires a cheap roofer, or who eats in a cheap restaurant, is a participant in this immoral, illegal, exploitative apartheid system. Is this really how we want our society to operate, as an apartheid system?
If big ag, or hotels, or restaurants, or construction firms really need cheap labor, they should argue for increased LEGAL immigration. Or maybe they just want to be able to exploit their workers in ways that would be impossible if they weren’t here illegally.
You did not take 2 things to into account. First, there is a distance between farms and where the poor unemployed live. Second, all agriculture is seasonal. Thus, all you are talking about is more part time physical work for the poor.
If people can come from Mexico to do the work, they can come from Oakland. There is a price at which it would be worthwhile for them.
Farm field workers that come from Mexico have the requisite work skills. Those in Oakland can operate a smart phone and an i-pod.
I don’t think we’re talking about deep skills here, just very hard work. I know a lot of people who have done this sort of thing, most Latino, some not. I’ve never heard it described as particularly skilled. Like anything else, you’ll get better with practice, but I doubt it takes long to get up to speed. If anything the construction work involves more skill, but that’s not the tangent we’re on.
“We looked at spring and summer wages for the Southeast, which includes Georgia, Alabama and South Carolina. Field workers made $8.86 per hour during the week of April 11 through 17, 2010. They made $9.12 an hour July 11 through 17, 2010.”
http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2011/jun/14/gary-black/some-farm-workers-do-earn-high-w
ages-not-all-do/
“Once animals have been slaughtered, the meat must be cut and trimmed. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, slaughterhouses employed an estimated 110,480 meat, poultry and fish trimmers in 2012, and paid them an average wage of $11.44 an hour. These workers reported an average annual salary of $23,790.”
http://work.chron.com/wages-slaughterhouse-workers-22597.html
“A Line Cook earns an average wage of $10.62 per hour. For the first five to ten years in this position, pay increases modestly, but any additional experience does not have a big effect on pay. Most people with this job move on to other positions after 20 years in this field.”
http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Line_Cook/Hourly_Rate
The word you are looking for is nativist.
And have three major population groups that have a just over 2000 year history of war: Italians (Romans), French (Gauls), and Germans (err, Germans)
To make the claim that Switzerland’s centuries of experience with democracy and toleration is because they don’t have “our kind of pluralistic mixing of races, religions, languages, and cultures. The Swiss, for example,” is just another brand of offensive American exceptionalism, this time coming from the left-leaning “melting pot” narrative.
The whole thing is bullshit, at least largely and drawing from the European context. Although it has more validity in regards the Japanese. All major European countries have major divides that are often some combination of linguistic, religious and cultural. You may have heard about a referendum in Catalonia or the fact that Sicilians have a markedly different language and culture than Milanos or that German is separated by a mostly Protestant (and kind of dour) North compared to a mostly Catholic (and kind of jolly) Bavaria. And four of the Six Nations that fight for that Rugby Cup (not to be confused with the current competition)are included (often uneasily) in a Great Britain that is currently riven by nationalist politics in Scotland and within my memory had violent and yes sectarian conflicts in Northern Ireland.
Martin I am a fan, but his was lazy from top to bottom. I mean who knew there were Chinese and South Asian-Canadians? And Moroccan Frenchmen? And curry shops in London? Except anyone who ever knew anything about any of those counties ever. Or Switzerland.
Sometimes, a writer will accept a problematic premise in order to attack an even more problematic premise.
In this case, I’m not quibbling with his characterization of Swissness because he’s concerned with Swiss Nationalists, and Swiss Nationalists have a well developed sense of what it means to be Swiss and what it means to be an interloper.
I have no reason to bother with that. At least, not here.
RD Wolff Capitalism Deep Trouble
I’m going to go off topic here, but it does link back. Wolff, IMO, neglects the psychological components of flat and declining real income for individuals. Those formed/informed by an economic environment where from everything they see and are told by their elders, their real income increases over time behave as consumers differently from those without any such expectation. Yet, over forty years on, it doesn’t quite register with US workers that they’re income and consumption behaviors are out of whack. How could such a great mass of workers fail to recognize that their real wages were flat or declining for so long?
Tax cuts that put something more in their pockets is one reason. Of course, that led to neglect of social infrastructure — but that’s not so quickly seen.
Outsourcing — lots of stuff costs much less (in relation to wages) than it did forty years ago. Who cares if the quality is inferior? That it breaks, rips, or falls apart quickly when it’s so cheap to replace? Lots more stuff also provides the illusion to individuals that they are better off than their parents and grandparents.
Debt — very scary to those that had no expectation of rising incomes and too much experience with recessions and unemployment. For some time it has filled in the gap between real income and future income expectations. Or merely permitted people to indulge in satisfying wants by postponing consideration of how to pay for them.
So, in addition to the capitalists no longer needing to share the rewards of productivity gains with workers, they’re reaping additional profits from all the financial compensatory behaviors that workers have been seduced into because they don’t understand how the game is played. However, they aren’t completely wrong in perceiving a link between flat wages and immigration.
This framing unfolds to all manner of reasonable conclusions and should be repeated endlessly.
I have family in the US who came from the Soviet Union via Israel. One of these cousins came on a tourist visa with no intention of returning to Israel. He burrowed into the “black” economy and eventually found a way to become legalized.
I have enjoyed the dumbfounded looks and silence from nativist ranters when I’ve related this story.
perhaps best summarized by one L. Wilmore, Sr. Black Correspondent:
“This is what happens when you have a melting pot, the stew gets darker.”
“Most troubles are unnecessary. We have Nature beaten; we can make her grow wheat; we can keep warm when she sends blizzards. So we raise the devil just for pleasure–wars, politics, race-hatreds, labor-disputes.”
— Sinclair Lewis (Main Street)
An imperial nation gathers representatives of the people it has conquered into the metropolis of the empire. The peripheries of an empire become refuges for those escaping persecution from elsewhere.
The underlying conflict from the beginning has been language, religion, customs, and values. Germans Quakers, Dissenters, and others were not accepted in some colonies by strict Puritans and loose Anglicans. Irish Catholicism was thought from early on to be creeping Papism, and it cause an immigration panic around the time of the potato famine. Catholicism was the driving issue for anti-immigration efforts against Mittel-European and Eastern European immigrants after the Civil War. Judaism was an issue for immigrants from the 1880s until immigration was shut down in the 1920s. So much so that the refusal to grant asylum to the Jewish refugees from Germany on the St. Louis in 1939 is still one of the stains that the US bears of complicity in the Holocaust.
It was the shock at the reality of the Holocaust revealed in the years after World War II that momentarily dampened traditional US racism–enough so that the civil rights movement could institutionalize some reforms. We have seen a long-game, slow-burning reaction to that and in the midst of continuing absence of prosperity for ordinary people has brought a exploitable reaction and a huge fantasy about how immigrants live.
What they don’t realize is that walls rarely are for keeping people out anymore. Nor is the story of dangerous places always about risk. Dangerous places are those where the dark dealings that local powers engage in can occur without being reported. The other side of the tracks was reported to be dangerous for middle class wives because that is where their husbands went to play. Often that play turned to gratuitous beating of various minorities just because they could. Each wave of minority learned the ritual and used it on the next wave through the Golden Door.
But there is another factor. Much of the Hispanic population of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California were there before there was a United States of America. Immigration and natural increase both have increased the Hispanic population. A lot of this is the same sort of war with white guilt as is involved in the denial of rights to black people in the former Confederacy.
Thinking this behavior abnormal is an illusion. It is, as was said fifty years ago about violence, “as American as cherry pie.”