For Nate Cohn, the outsider candidates aren’t really so outside. Carly Fiorina, for example, is really just Mitt Romney with a uterus, and Ben Carson is the Second Coming of Pat Robertson and Rick Santorum, just with more blah.
You know, could be.
But that little detail about Mitt Romney actually serving in an elected capacity as the governor of a blue state isn’t some minor distinction. The new Romney is actually Jeb Bush, and trying to fit Fiorina into that box isn’t very convincing. The point, I guess, is that she doesn’t get any support from Republicans who earn less than $50,000 a year and her main credential is supposed to be business acumen, however laughable that may be.
Ben Carson can be compared with some of the more successful religious candidates of the past, and Robertson and Santorum (along with Huckabee) were certainly the most successful ones in my lifetime. Frankly, Carson looks a little stronger than them at this point, but it’s still early. I don’t think it will be productive to think of him as this year’s Huckabee, though, because he isn’t a former governor or senator or even a charismatic televangelist. His biggest base of support may come from evangelicals, but his main appeal is that he’s a black man who stood up to the black president. There’s a reason he talks about political correctness at every opportunity. He’s like a magic shield against accusations of racism. He’s also a more personally accomplished person than Gary Bauer or Alan Keyes, which means that non-evangelicals are willing to give him a look.
As for Donald Trump, Mr. Cohn doesn’t know what to make of him. He appears to be a true novelty in Republican politics, although there is at least a little Ross Perot in the man. But Ross Perot never sought the Republican nomination, let alone led the field for months at a time.
The premise of the article is that maybe the thirst for an inexperienced candidate with no ties to Washington DC is overstated. Maybe the voters who are saying they like Fiorina are just waiting from the right moment to get on the Bush Train, and maybe the Carson folks will fall in line in the end, just as they did once Huckabee and Santorum finally flamed out.
I have to do some research, but I think there’s evidence that a lot of Santorum’s voters simply failed to show up on Election Day. And I think if people wanted to support Jeb in the primaries, they’d already be supporting him.
It’s true that if we ever get down to a one-on-one battle between Trump and Bush, a lot of the current non-Trump non-Bush voters will go to Bush, but what makes people think that Bush is going to emerge as the primary alternative to Trump?
In any case, what people are willing to do once a nominee they didn’t support becomes the right’s champion doesn’t tell us how they’re going to vote in the primaries. People tend to fall in line after the convention, but much less so before it.
To me, this is the really important question to ask: Regardless of who wins the nomination, will they ever be able to unite the right?
Would Jeb be able to turn out the base? Would anything like a normal percentage of people fall in line for the nominee if the nominee were Trump?
My answers are ‘no’ and ‘no.’
Do you disagree?
For all of the reasons listed above, the 2 remaining candidates are Rubio and Cruz. It sounds crazy, but it really is crazy town with the GOP now.
I used to think Kucinich, but he’s not weird enough for this year’s GOP voter.
Fiorina is especially ridiculous, if you take a look at her ‘record of success’.
I’ll place my bets on Cruz.
Kucinich?
Kasich is my guess
He probably has as good a chance as Kasich.
you know, the guy who’s name start with ‘K’…
I think Rubio, specifically, will have trouble getting the Trump voters to fall in line. Trump is fanning the anti-immigrant flames, and I don’t think the party will be able to put out the fire for Rubio. IF he does a 180, it will not be credible and will make him a flip-flopper. If it weren’t for this, I would say Rubio was the strongest political insider candidate, but I think the Repub establishment can see the same thing I can.
Its les importan for candidates on the right to be someone their guys want to win. They hate us enough that does a lot of groundwork in regars to enthusiasm.
I disagree. Republicans and–more important–anti-Democrats will vote for the Republican and against the Democrat no matter who the Republican candidate is. If my beloved Patriots are playing the despicable Lakers, I root for them even if I can’t stand their pitcher.
When the Patriots play the Lakers that will be a game I would pay to see
Maybe once the whole FIFA thing settles down.
How much would you have to deflate a basketball to be as big as a baseball?
Partly, it depends who the Democrat is. As I said before, if it is Trump vs. Sanders, I expect Bush (or someone, but probably Bush. Webb is signaling a possible run, but I don’t have enough contempt for him to suspect him of this strategy) to run 3rd party, intending to carry a couple of swing states and throw the election to the House. The hilarious thing would be watching the Freedom Caucus refuse to support a candidate who won’t collapse the government, so the sane Repubs are forced to cut a deal with the Dems (joke – I think).
If it’s Trump vs. Clinton, I think the Repub establishment lets the base take a Goldwater wupping, hopefully to teach them a lesson. Probably quietly gets some goodies from Clinton in exchange for standing down.
Fiorina is an establishment Repub, because she has establishment positions and an establishment network. The lack of political experience only matters in that it makes her nominally an outsider, which is a big plus right now. Although Planned Parenthood was a rookie error. She needs better handlers and she needs to listen to them.
I think Trump and Carson have both signaled that they are afraid of catching the car. Trump said he would drop out if his poll numbers dropped, an invitation for his poll numbers to drop, but it failed. Just when he’s catching up to Trump, Carson suspends his campaign for a book tour. I think neither of these gentlemen will get the job because neither truly wants it; they are vanity candidates like Herman Cain.
Carson might back down, but Trump’s ego will demand he keep running as long as he has a meaningful chance at winning. On those grounds Trump is even less likely to drop out as right now the anti-Trump is Carson.
Carson does have an incentive to stay in as long as possible because the longer he stays in the more books he sells, and a not obviously necessary quit will hurt book sales. That puts the Republican establishment in even more of a pickle as possibly Carson may be the anti-Trump and then drop out relatively late in the game, giving them no time to set up an alternative.
Yeah, wouldn’t that be cute? I was going to say that the problem with Trump as a vanity candidate is that his vanity knows no bounds. What he needs is a face-saving way out, but I don’t know a way to come this far in getting a Presidential nomination, not get it, and not have that scan to being a “loser”.
I dislike Romney as much as anybody, but this seems unfair. Romney was a vulture capitalist, but at least he was competent in that capacity. Fiorina was basically the anti-Steve Jobs.
Romney had also led a government and until co-opted by current RW nut job thinking was fairly coherent…then came the avalanche of lies and pandering.
A year from now I’m not sure it’ll matter who wins the GOP nomination — after a summer of advertising attacking the Dem nominee, it’ll be a standard Republican vs. Democrat election in the eyes of most voters on the right, and they’ll vote for their nominee no matter what. That’s good for 45% of the vote, and the nominee will pick up a few points from whichever part of the base they particularly excite, and we’re in normal election territory.
I believe it will be super interesting to see how the Speaker race turns out.
The FC got their scalp, but now they’re agreeing to come to heel for Paul Ryan.
If they continue to behave, you could see a familiar situation playing out in the Hinterlands. If it’s Bush vs. Clinton, the Lunatics will be staring into the abyss of another Clinton administration, and just as their leaders came to heel when threatened with complete chaos in Congress, they will come to heel when threatened with Clinton.
On the other hand, if the FC gets crucified by their base and ends up combating Ryan just like they combated the Orange One, that will be the sign that the True Schism has occurred.
In short: I just don’t see how a true Schism is underway when you have the FC licking Paul Ryan’s boots …
As for the Mainstream GOP coming out for Trump … I have no idea. He really is like The Mule in the Foundation Trilogy books. An agent of chaos.