Let’s take a look at this Associated Press piece that is being prominently featured at the Fox News website. The headline writers certainly tried to make it appealing to those who are opposed to another Clinton presidency: Clinton opened State Department office to dozens of corporate donors, Dem fundraisers.
But, once you open the article and start reading, you encounter the following disclaimer (emphasis mine):
The woman who would become a 2016 presidential candidate met or spoke by phone with nearly 100 corporate executives and long-time Clinton political and charity donors during her four years at the State Department between 2009 and 2013, records show.
Those formally scheduled meetings involved heads of companies and organizations that pursued business or private interests with the Obama administration, including with the State Department while Clinton was in charge.
The AP found no evidence of legal or ethical conflicts in Clinton’s meetings in its examination of 1,294 pages from the calendars. Her sit-downs with business leaders were not unique among recent secretaries of state, who sometimes summoned corporate executives to aid in international affairs, documents show.
Based on the fact that the AP found nothing unusual or unique about her meetings and that they aren’t even willing to allege any ethical conflict, let alone any legal issues, there appears to be no reason to read the rest of this article at all.
Right?
Well, of course not.
There’s always a “but.”
But the difference with Clinton’s meetings was that she was a 2008 presidential contender who was widely expected to run again in 2016. Her availability to luminaries from politics, business and charity shows the extent to which her office became a sounding board for their interests. And her ties with so many familiar faces from those intersecting worlds were complicated by their lucrative financial largess and political support over the years — even during her State Department tenure — to her campaigns, her husband’s and to her family’s foundation.
So, wait a minute!
Are there any ethical issues or not?
You just said that there is “no evidence” of ethical issues. None.
And then you said that the totally routine and not-unique meetings you analyzed were “complicated” by “lucrative financial largesse” and “political support.”
Can I be a nudge here and simply ask that these reporters say what the mean and mean what they say?
How about this?
You think that a cabinet member who has political ambitions should be held to a higher and different standard from one who does not. So, for example, Colin Powell or Condoleezza Rice can meet with the CEO of Pepsi Co. without it meriting a snarling headline but Hillary Clinton cannot.
But, if that’s the argument you want to make then you have uncovered an ethical conflict. Why not have the courage of your convictions and say so?
Or, maybe, you want to carve an even more exclusive exception to your normal standards and argue that what really distinguishes Hillary Clinton from other cabinet members and former secretaries of State is that her husband is a former president who runs a big foundation.
In this case, you’re creating a standard that only applies, and really only could apply, to Hillary Clinton. Even if she does something that doesn’t meet the ordinary criteria for creating an ethical conflict, she can still be hammered for doing something wrong because of unique circumstances that only pertain to her.
Let’s consider the competition. Even the National Review is appalled by Ben Carson’s connection to Mannatech, a medical-supplement maker that then-Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott charged “with orchestrating an unlawful marketing scheme that exaggerated their products’ health benefits.”
Meanwhile, Mike Huckabee became a spokesman for a “Diabetes Solution Kit” that “the American Diabetes Association and the Canadian Diabetes Association caution consumers against” using. He also used his mailing list to promote cancer cures based on biblical passages.
And let’s not forget that Donald Trump created a fake university that was such a scam that he was sued by New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman.
These are some pretty low-level examples of simple hucksterism, almost too mundane to compare to the cross-pollinating between the Clintons’ political ambitions and their operation of the Global Initiative. To see something similarly complex and ambiguous enough to bear a resemblance to the latter, you probably need to look into Jeb Bush’s long history with the charter school and school standards and testing movements.
To be clear, just because one candidate is nakedly promoting fraud doesn’t mean that the press should avoid looking at another candidate’s complex financial connections. But it’s basically a smear to publish a piece like this one from the Associated Press, especially when you are unwilling to spell out your double standard and really justify the rationale behind it. And the headline writers take advantage, too, to get the clicks they’re after.
This story says that Hillary Clinton did nothing unusual, illegal, or even unethical, but that’s not the impression the story and the headline leaves, is it?
Haven’t we seen enough of this kind of media treatment for the Clintons over the years?
First, surely the Clinton cabal is happy for the free press, good, bad, and ugly. Second, it’s well known that the Clintons are in the pockets of the rich and corporations, so it’s a news story. Third, no one that’s going to change their mind about who their voting for in the primaries is going to read it anyway.
Also, not clear how it’s possible to slam the Clintons too much when President Bill got caught with his pants down with a young woman in a room adjacent to the oval office. He was a terrible president that rode a favorable economic wave to acclaim he never deserved.
“Clinton cabal” — OK, you lost me right there. Are you a right wing troll?
“it’s well known that the Clintons are in the pockets of the rich and corporations”
Please enlighten me, seriously. Does anyone have the slightest evidence that Hillary is corrupt, or in anyone’s pocket? Any quid pro quo with donors?
Other than the fact that she takes money from wall street donors, and some of her positions are more pro-business than Sanders, where is the evidence that she is corrupt?
“not clear how it’s possible to slam the Clintons too much when President Bill got caught with his pants down”
This is more conservative bull. Better add Roosevelt, Kennedy, Johnson to your slam list. The only difference being that evidence of their peccadilloes didn’t come to light until after they left office. I personally don’t give a crap who any of them slept with. And it has nothing to do with Hillary anyway.
Nothing I said is incorrect, yet you call it “conservative bull.” The Clinton cabal, and yes that’s exactly what they are, has been one of the most successful political grift operations in the history of politics. Not saying it’s not uncommon in politics throughout history, the grifting, just that it’s no less true because she’s going to be “our” nominee this time round.
And also, too, might as well start getting used to it, ’cause when she’s crowned, it’s all we’re going to hear about for the four years until she dies or abdicates, or is sent to the tower, or whatever they do to her. Maybe eight years if the people grant a reprieve in 2020, so buck up. It’s going to be a bumpy ride.
So tiresome.
“one of the most successful grift operations in the history of politics”. You clearly are not a student of politics.
Bill has made a metric fuck-ton of money since he left office, by giving speeches. Unseemly maybe, depending on your point of view, but not grift. And we are not electing him.
As for the media noise certain to follow her candidacy and her probable election, I don’t give a crap. If she can take it, so can we, and she’s handled it superbly so far.
It’s going to be exhausting. That’s what political studies have taught about a Clinton in the White House.
Sounds like you enjoy the incessant, interminable squabbling more than the governing. So, I’m sure it’ll be fun for you.
There’s nothing can be said to effectively defend the Clintons against the shitstorm that’s headed their way beginning in a few months as she’s ushered toward the nomination and likely election next year. And to those that bother, like you, talk about tiresome.
FTFY:
“There’s nothing can be said to effectively defend _YOUR FAVORITE DEM CANDIDATE HERE_ against the shitstorm that’s headed their way”
You think any other candidate is going to get a pass from the mighty Wurlitzer?In fact, it’s even possible that the Clinton fatigue you fear would work in her favor. People have heard all this crap about her before, up to and including allegations of murder. It’s not news when the right attacks her.
If you think I enjoy “enjoy the incessant, interminable squabbling” produced by the right, you are wrong. But what I enjoy even less is how supposedly progressive individuals re-post right-wing ratfucker memes about the probable dem. candidate, with no basis in reality.
Maybe some of us prefer that the Democratic nominee be “clean.” Astute Democrats recognized in ’08 that Obama was met that bar and Edwards and Clinton made us queasy. The party dodged a fatal bullet in ’08 because enough Democrats were too sensible to nominate Edwards.
There’s plenty of skivvy stuff with the finances of the Clinton fund. Should be important to voters but is likely too complicated for the average voter to comprehend. Still, when those arrows begin to fly, they will do some damage. However, generally it’s the down in the muck stuff that shifts voter sentiment. Do you really want to go into the general election with this? (Ken Silverstein isn’t part of the “vast rightwing conspiracy,” but an astute liberal.)
Lovely, my compliments.
Call me when you have something on Hillary that we haven’t all heard a thousand times before.
other candidate this year. What’s you’re point? That the Democratic Party wanted an actual democratic contest this year to provide a range of viable options? Come on.
It’s an open year for Democrats, my Party, love it and hate it. No incumbent, riding a wave of economic good fortune after seven years of bad, and the Democratic Party has tooled the election to prohibit entry of anyone that might threaten Hillary Clinton.
Name those other candidates the Democratic Party would have welcomed to the contest this time around that would have invited the same level of contempt Hillary Clinton will face going forward. And then tell me about how they’d all be treated as badly as Hillary Clinton will be. (If they have literally no one else, as they want us to believe, the Democratic Party is bankrupt.)
You speak of the Democratic Party as some sort of entity existing on its own. If enough people don’t like what the party is doing they could take it over and change it. The problem is that there isn’t enough Democrats who think there is a problem.
The Democratic Party also didn’t prevent anyone from challenging HRC, most top line Democrats so how strong she was and decided it wasn’t worth it. Most people don’t like to lose and losing makes it harder to run and win in the future, at least for Democrats.
Not sure others remember all the dramas and excuses Democrats have been making for the Clintons over more than two decades. They react as if all of it was Benghazi type BS; no more able to discriminate between garbage claims and issues that should be of public concern than the rightwing nutjobs. Oh hell, they still don’t even get how destructive the Clinton era legislation has been and that Hillary has since 2001 actively supported destructive wars.
That would include Rahm Emanuel, e.g., Bill Clinton’s campaign finance director in 1992. Cabal is putting it nicely.
Huckabee is scraping down around 2% in the GOP primary polling. Why should the media spend any time on him when even GOP voters have no use for him?
When Carson jumped up into the mid-twenties polling with GOP voters, he got some scrutiny, mostly highlighting his ludicrous statements and the implausibility of his own story. Now his trendlines are down and below 20%.
Let’s not pretend that the media hasn’t made some efforts to take down Trump. Just because so far they haven’t found a something that hooks into a overall storyline that hurts him doesn’t mean they aren’t trying.
What’s interesting about the Clinton negative stuff that the media focuses on is that it is peripheral and lightweight ethical questions. Otherwise they focus on how “awesome” she is.
if you’re looking at the Fox News website (I won’t), don’t they treat all Democrats this way?
It’s an Associated Press article. Wasn’t I clear about that?
The AP is trash, just like the rest of the legacy media. Or do you forget that Ron Fournier used to work for the AP. Speaking of which, have you seen his latest garbage today in a back and forth with MoJo’s David Corn? Also, re: AP, remember this:
The conversations she had as Secretary of State with potential donors stink. Period.
You have to be naive in the extreme to pretend that they don’t raise the appearance of a conflict of interest.
Illegal? No.
I’m trying to think of how a Secretary of State could avoid meeting with people who might later want to contribute to their presidential campaign, and I’m coming up empty.
Because it means regular people will be shut out!! Did you miss the NYT article about Illinois this weekend?
I hope this is snark
How often does a SOS mount a subsequent Presidential campaign? How often does a SOS have a spouse actively soliciting mega-bucks from wealthy business elites (foreign and domestic) and foreign sovereign funds? (Keep in mind that unlike wealthy people that set up mega-charitable operations — i.e. Gates, Soros, Heinz, etc. — Clinton didn’t have the personal wealth to do so.) And other than running the Clinton Presidential Library, can anyone say definitively that the Clinton Fund meets any unmet charitable needs and is more than an intermediary getting a hefty cut?
…of whether former / current Secretaries of State should be prevented running for the president. Sounds to me. given the endless potential conflicts of interest, like the answer would be yes. (There were a handful back in the late 18th and early 19th century, during slavery, before women could vote, of Secretaries of State that became president.)
Illegal? No. Unethical? No. A necessary component of the job of the Secretary of State? Yes.
The theory that she shouldn’t have done her job properly because it created the wrong appearance is bizarre.
…the question wouldn’t come up.
Isn’t it interesting how many liberals assume she did something wrong without wondering if that impression may be the result of exactly this type of reporting? None of us were there, and even the attacks say she did nothing illegal or unethical, but we believe exactly what they want us to.
Poor Poor Clintons. I’m crying my eyes out for them! Especially since Hillary is a combat veteran!
Poor Hillary can’t even meet with big money without being noticed. I feel just terrible.
There is a pattern here. Who is the most trusted to deal with ISIS? Compared to whom you ask? That easy, compared to the Republican Clown Car. So why in this article is Hillary only mentioned meeting with and taking large sums of money for her super pac? What about all the others who met with even worse people for their super pac you ask? That’s easy, who in the Republican Clown Car.
What you don’t see in this post is any contrast on the Democratic side, sort of like the primary is already settled. How about a contrast with Bernie who has no super pac? I must try to understand how it is somehow bad for the AP to point out “…her ties with so many familiar faces from those intersecting worlds were complicated by their lucrative financial largess and political support over the years — even during her State Department tenure — to her campaigns, her husband’s and to her family’s foundation.”
This is a real and very important issue only because we have a choice, not what the other side does. Hillary is bought and sold to big money and the Democratic Establishment wants to keep that quiet. How else is one supposed to ever get the Democratic base to go back to sleep?
So a Secretary of State’s meetings with large multinational business heads is suspect simply because they had been a Presidential candidate in years past and potentially in years future. But, all Secretaries of State MUST meet with such leaders because the United States’ interests need representation in the global market. What AP is arguing here is that NO potential Presidential candidate can EVER meet with business leaders because of the appearance of conflict it offers, thereby stripping all such candidates of the experience of dealing in international affairs and acquiring hands-on experience meeting with foreign leaders. AP is arguing that the US should dumb down its process for educating future leaders, implicitly endorsing the Republican klown kar as a result.
No they should not.
no they should not what? meet with business leaders?
Yes
you’re not making any sense, it’s part of the State Department’s job
To make secret deals with businessmen? Silly me, I thought international diplomacy, state to state,was their job, not ensuring fat cats’ profits. No wonder we get stuck with crap like TPP that is destroying the economy. Doesn’t matter, as long as the fat cats get richer. They can always jump ship to Europe like that other fat cat complaining about taxes did.
do you have any proof that happened? Just meeting with business leaders isn’t proof that she made “secret deals”
Part of diplomacy is economic, actually a very large part of it is so meeting with business is part of the job
Corruption revealed. And a large part of legislation is meeting with businessmen for campaign donations.
I’m amazed that anyone with Illinois in their handle supports closed meetings between government and business. The only closed meetings I support are plea bargains with their lawyers.
How would meetings in open go exactly? There isn’t a possibility for any executive office to not have most of their meetings being closed and not for nefarious reasons but primarily logistical reasons.
Legislative sessions should be generally open since that’s more realistic.
I still haven’t seen proof of malfeasance anywhere. Just meeting with people during the course of your job isn’t good enough.
And if a Republican Secretary of State met with Charles Koch in his/her office, what would you think?
I would be concerned for sure but I wouldn’t accuse anyone of corruption or secret deals without proof. Besides any deal SoS makes on behalf of the country wouldn’t be secret any way. It would be public knowledge of a) the meeting & b) what was in the deal. If the public didn’t like the deal there are ways to resolve that issue.
You are aware that deals like the TPP are negotiated by a branch of government totally separate from State, right? Or is that the reason you’re a voice in the wilderness?
You are arguing that future Presidential candidates should have no experience negotiating with other government and business leaders, thereby depriving them of a skill which is essential in the modern world. One of the primary stepping stones to premiership in parliamentary systems is generally time spent in the foreign affairs department, along with the exchequer or defense. The British and the other English-speaking governments around the world would laugh at your insistence while authoritarian regimes would relish it.
Never ending consternation that Clinton(s) have been called liars every which way to Sunday until the media doesn’t seem to be able to complete a sentence without the word liar in it with the conclusion that this makes her untrustworthy while simultaneously a large segment of the populous seems to celebrate the lies the Right leaders troll with as a badge of pride.
Truth is, I just dont have the energy to do this kind of pushback for HRC.
My view is a slightly different.
The more they claim that the sky is falling, the less people tune in when the newest sky is falling claim is brought out.
While there will be a negative view about Clinton, all of these non-stories, which is what they are, will plateau in terms of who actually cares.
What I do find interesting is how ineptly all of this is being used. I mean, seriously, they’re crapping all of this out in August-November 2015? Amateurs.
Come June 2016, exactly none of this will matter. I mean, the email story is GONE, emphasis mine.
Seriously, it’s beginning to look like whomever HRC runs against is just a tomato can. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Bernie Sanders, the primary season isn’t over, blah blah blah, but I just don’t see Bernie pulling it off.
…it’s not up to Bernie. It’s up to us.
I disagree. It’s Bernie who has to convince most liberals that he isn’t going to seize the means of production, and that he can get elected. And he has to go through the fascist-enabling media to get that point across.
? You’re kidding, right?
It is not just the Clintons who the media troll.
But it is the Clintons who the media first trolled with a vengeance until they could draw blood. And they have not let up for now approaching a quarter century.
And it is always for loopy, false accusations and never for any of the legitimate criticisms of what the Clintons have actually done. That is what is so weird about it.