One of the fundamental errors of analysis that Republican strategists made in 2012 was their presumption that African-American voters would be less enthusiastic about reelecting Barack Obama than they had been about electing him in the first place. This presumption was relied upon heavily by everyone from Dick Morris to Karl Rove to Mitt Romney. It was basically wrong. While Romney got a slightly higher percentage of the black vote than John McCain, turnout was extremely strong. And it was enough to help Obama win Ohio and prevent a nail-biter on election night.
Their analysts seem to be going down the same path now, assuming that without Obama on the ballot, black turnout will nosedive. I’m going to warn then now that this is a dangerous hypothesis. The president will be lobbying African-Americans heavily to turn out and protect his accomplishments, and it is a message that will deeply resonate. Any electoral strategy that relies on blacks sitting out the 2016 election is grasping at straws.
Nonetheless, it’s true that the Republicans can legitimately hope to win Ohio and possibly also Wisconsin if they can do turn out more of the white vote than they did in 2012. It’s a vulnerability for the Democrats and a potential way for the Republicans to make some inroads in the Electoral College.
On the other hand, some of the GOP’s other pickup possibilities may be slipping away:
“Ohio went Democratic (in 2012) because Republican support was tepid among whites and [Democratic support] full-throttled among minorities,” [Demographer William Frey of the Brookings Institute] said. “Republicans will have to push as many older whites out [to vote] as possible in the Northern states where they may have a shot.”
But long-term, he said, Republicans cannot win if they can’t figure out how to improve their showing with the growing bloc of Hispanic voters and other minorities. Already, he said, Nevada has grown so Hispanic that it may now be considered safe for the Democratic nominee, rather than a swing state as has been the case in recent elections.
Just as a thought experiment, if Nevada is safe for the Democrats, then the following is the bare minimum way that the Republicans can win the White House. If they hold all Romney’s states and also win Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin, and Iowa, that gets them to a 269-269 tie, and the Republican-controlled House of Representatives could potentially decide the election in the GOP nominee’s favor. Things would be a little more solid if the GOP could flip Colorado, New Hampshire or, especially, Virginia.
One thing to consider, too, is the importance of Florida. If the Democrats hold Florida in the above scenario, they win 298-240. Let me paint this as clearly as possible.
If the Republicans hold Romney states and cannot flip Florida, the Democrats can lose Virginia, New Hampshire, Ohio, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Colorado and still win 272-266.
In that kind of scenario, the Republicans would have to find one more state. New Mexico would suffice, but that won’t happen if the Republicans can’t fix their image with Latinos in a big hurry. The next most obvious opportunities would Pennsylvania and Michigan.
But, you get the idea. The Republicans absolutely have to win Florida. And to win Florida, they’ll have a little steeper climb than they had the last two times around.
Black and Hispanic voters’ share of the eligible voting population [in Florida] is going up, and the share of white voters is going down. With their increasing numbers, if Hispanic and black voters go for the Democratic presidential candidate in 2016 as strongly as they went for Obama in 2012, the Democrat would likely win the state 51.2 percent to 47.8 percent, under one of the [Center for American Progress’s] simulations.
Alternatively, the center found that if Hispanics and blacks vote for the Republican candidate the way they went for President George W. Bush in his 2004 re-election, the Republican would likely win the state 50.4 percent to 49.5 percent.
So, this is basically the whole shebang. If the Republicans can’t win in Florida, there’s nothing really to discuss and we can ignore all these presidential debates and all the advertisements and everything else. None of it will matter.
Fascinating.
The TV stations in Florida are going to really rake it in this election season, aren’t they?
Has anyone polled Florida for a Sanders against Trump or anyone else match-up? I’ll laugh my ass off if Sanders polls anywhere near Rubio or Jeb! in their own state.
Good question.
Realclearpolitics has the republican (Trump, Bush or Rubio) at about +3 vs the democrat (Sanders or Clinton). Remarkably little difference when changing the candidates. Is it perhaps only the most partisan voters who have decided this early?
Florida loves Clintons. So does Wisconsin. Virginia, Michigan, Pennsylvania in the bag for Democrats next year. Other states coming back next year include Indiana, Missouri, Arkansas, Kentucky, Tennessee, and probably Louisiana. Basically everything Bill won in 1992 and 1996 plus everything Barry got in 2008 and 2012. Total landslide.
MMMM! Pass me the roach.
Wow, that’s really great. Why bother with the election? Just crown HRC “Empress of the West” and be done with it.
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Not sure about the rest of it Neal, but Bill Clinton knows what Florida means, and he will spend a lot of time there.
If Bill Clinton campaigns hard in Florida and there is no AA on the ballot, it’s a wipe out in that state.
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What’s the likelihood of that happening? As Bush himself said, “Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice… won’t get fooled again.”
It would be suicidal. I’m fairly sure they’re not that stupid.
Especially if the Republicans are trying to court older white voters at the same time. We know what kind of tactics that involves.
I imagine that the blatant disrespect Republicans have shown toward the first black President has alienated most black people from the GOP forever. Hell, I’m white and it offends me in a way that isn’t just partisan.
How are the Republicans going to win over Latinos in Florida when Trump is outing the party faithful as bigots and no one’s even trying to push back the other way? At the presidential level, I think they’re fucked unless (UNLESS) something really catastrophic happens to the economy or there’s another terrorist attack or the Democratic nominee really screws the pooch.
Florida is a complicated mess. It leaned GOP the last time (when compared to the national margin)
If you look at state polling right now you find:
Colorado looks bad – Quinnipiac had Clinton down nearly 10
Ohio looks very close
Pennsylvania looks very close (Clinton trails in last 2 against Rubio)
Virginia looks close
Iowa looks up hill
Of course all of this depends on who is nominated. There is a pretty obvious split between PPP and Quinippiac and some of the other state level pollsters.
An early poll list is here:
Based on very rough calculations, Rubio wins 57% of the simulations I run against Clinton. Clinton wins 55% of the time against Trump.
This is just state polling, and the bulk of it is either PPP or Quinnipiac.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IWl01Ik9A2EyaRAgrd0jFBUPMjZS7QCoUYZyhd7C4ns/edit#gid=7082574
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Polls 2 months before the upcoming primary are barely predictive. Polls of the general election 11 months from now are completely useless. Best bet is that Democrats have a 50/50 chance of winning in November.
So much depends on events that happen in September and October. Anything happening today tells us, at best, where people are today. Revelations of things will occur. Some will stick. Events during the spring and summer will be important.
In the election of 2008, the financial meltdown was occurring. Sometime in early October, a big meeting occurred, which maybe was requested by McCain? Anyway, both McCain and Obama came, and McCain was just awful. Everyone was in agreement that he was absolutely useless, almost paralyzed with fear and indecision. Obama, on the other hand, was decisive, thoughtful, and clear.
While I don’t say that this meeting was definitive about the election, it was important, and helped Obama while hurting McCain.
True. But if the Dems had this great Demographic advantage there should be some sign of it.
How many states could pass proportional electorial vote legislation in time?
Zero “red” states.
So am I to believe that the GOPs answer to the “growing bloc of Hispanic voters and other minorities” is to de-fund Planned Parenthood?