While the polling nerds are eating crow after the MI DEM primary, they assure us that it can’t happen again. Citing the busted MI ’08 DEM primary for why they got it so wrong this time is fair enough (and something that little old me pointed out). However, that only explains half the margin of their error. And the pollsters are burying all their other ’16 flubs.
Iowa. The aggregate polling to actual winning margin for HRC was off by four points. But exclude the one poll (Q) that had Sanders winning by three, and the aggregate was off by more the four points and they were generally way short on Sanders’ percentage of the vote.
New Hampshire aggegate had Sanders winning by 13.3 points. Actual 22.4 points.
Nevada. One right before the caucuses nailed it — only 0.5 too high for HRC. A month and a half earlier HRC was winning by 23 points. What’s interesting about the other two polls taken a few days before the caucus is that both came up with “all tied up,” and those polls were closer to the exit polls during the day that had Sanders slightly ahead.
In South Carolina the error was in the opposite direction. The aggregate twenty points short for HRC. Whether that was because those supporting Sanders felt it was hopeless and chose not to vote, at the last minute there was regression to voting for a winner, and/or the pollsters got bad samples isn’t known. When they correctly project the winner, they get kudos and everybody moves on without asking for any explanation for the error. A few factors from exit polls all suggest why the polls were off. 1) Age 18-29 was low in comparison to some other states at only 15%. 2) The gender breakdown at 39% male to 61% female was more disproportionate than other states. 3) The race breakdown POC 65% to 35% is at variance with prior SC DEM participation rates.
Massachusetts. Not many polls and most of them were in the last two weeks. Clinton’s estimated wining margin ranged from three to eleven points. Actual 1.4 points. The average did peg HRC to get 50%. However, the average only had Sanders’ at 43.3% — 5.4 points short of the actual.
Oklahoma not until the last week did one pollster have Sanders’ ahead and then by less than half of the actual. The aggregate swing 12.4 points.
Texas the pollsters nailed this one. Not a particularly impressive feat in light of the ’08 results, the population of the state, and physical size of the state. Turnout may have dropped like a rock from ’08, but the combination of HRC and Obama (excluding the “not HRC ’08 vote) alone would have projected somewhere near 65% for HRC. What’s notable in the TX results is that the DEM electorate is different from that of Deep South states. Not as many New Deal Democrats have been killed off in the past fifty years.
Virginia polling and results look a lot like TX. Both 65% for HRC. Several commonalities between these two (former slave holding) states. Will mention but one — dependence on MIC in-state expenditures.
AL, GA, MS — pfft. (Not to be disrespectful of the good people in these states, but they aren’t much into “change” unless one of their own tribe is standing tall for it.)
FL polling presents difficulties similar to that in MI. The ’08 primary was a bust. OTOH, there isn’t a fourteen year gap between competitive DEM POTUS primaries in FL. This was another state that HRC won in ’08 (with 51% in a three way with Obama and Edwards). As HRC received 25% of the AA vote in ’08, this time 70% is her floor and it could go as high as over 90%. However, doubt that turnout will be as high. Expect INDs (17% in ’08) to increase and be less favorable to her (40% in ’08). INDs MA were 33% and MI 27%. The polling looks dreadful for Sanders, but it’s not quite as bad as it was in MI — which suggests to me that the pollsters may be better samples.
Yet, there appears to be something going on that the pollsters are having difficulty cracking. And therefore can’t track. I’ll present the numerical oddities in Part II.
I’ve read for a while now that polling primaries is a bit more difficult than polling general elections. That sounds okay insofar as it goes. Problem is that pollsters, not just in the US but more globally, have been having a difficult time with numerous elections – The 2014 midterms in the US come to my mind, but also the outcome of the last UK parliamentary election, as well as the parliamentary elections in Greece, and I want to say Israel as well. If I had the time and energy, I’d look for a few links I’ve socked away somewhere. But at least in terms of polling, to quote an old Wire song, “something strange is going on tonight/something’s going on that’s not quite right.” Wish I could put my finger on it.
The pollsters are doing fine with identifiable and stable portions of the electorate. The whiffs on the GOP side have been too much or too little for Cruz or Rubio which is where most of the instability on that side has been. Other than Iowa, I think the projected winner from the polls is who won. And Iowa was only off by a four point swing from Trump to Cruz.
It’s the DEM electorate outside the stable bubbles that are confounding them. It’s somewhat difficult to piece together because the pollsters are very inconsistent on reporting the details of the polls and while the details of the actual results are fully reported, they are based on exit polls, so they aren’t precise. However, the outline of the DEM electorate is there.
An example of poll reporting inconsistencies, some report the top line HRC and Sanders numbers along with the percentage of those polled that are M/F and their age. Others provide a HRC/Sanders % by M/F and age but not disclosure on the percentages that fall into each group. And when they reported the HRC/Sanders breakdown it was <45 years old and >44 years old.
An example: MA – UMass poll. Top line HRC 47% and Sanders 44% (final actual HRC 50.1% and Sanders 48.7%) The poll M/F was 43/57 and actual was 42/58. Those look pretty good. Until one looks at the age breakdown:
18-29: poll 11% actual 19%
30-44: poll 23% actual 24%
45-64: poll 32% actual 39%
>64: poll 32% actual 19%
What saved them from looking like crap is that the MA HRC/Sanders actual split for 18-29 was only 35/65 and not 19/81 as it was in MI. They may not have gotten the numbers rights for any of these breakdowns but had enough compensating errors that they got kind of close to the actual results.
I suspect the economic situation in MA is not as desperate as MI. IL is, but there are those polls, and the Cook country regular democratic organization is doing a full court press. I got another sample ballot yesterday and Tammy wasn’t on it. Good for Tammy! I was going to vote for Kim Foxx over Anita Alvarez, but the organization is pushing her. I just found out there is third candidate so I’ll investigate her tomorrow. Still expecting a blow out for Hillary based on early voting. You see, when you vote early you miss the crap that comes out in the stretch and no way to take your vote back. It’s good if you are a shut-in or may be out of town on election day, but most people should wait for the whole campaign.
I dislike early voting. It shortchanges the candidates and the voters. Surely in this day and age and with all the technology we have, we can come up with a better way that doesn’t disenfranchise anyone and has clearly demarcated time periods — the campaign stops as of X and the voting begins right after that.
I suspect you’re wrong on the IL outcome. However, it does require Sanders to get out the vote. The votes are there for him to win if they show up. It would also be nice if more women like you wife and sister reconsider before voting as many did in MI and NH.
I sincerely hope you are right.
Re the third candidate. She sounded qualified, a former Attorney-general’s office prosecutor. But she’s White, Alvarez is Hispanic and Foxx is Black. If I were betting money, I’d bet on Foxx. I would have voted for her if she wasn’t the Machine’s candidate.
Results are in Foxx won.
Political machines are somewhat foreign to native Californians. They exist and at least on the DEM side of the aisle didn’t promote the most corrupt and sleazy candidate. (Okay, Willie Brown was both, but he was still a DEM and he was entertaining.) But have detected more of a machine presence in CA in some cities over the past decade and while I can’t say that they’ve been promoting the worst candidates, they aren’t promoting the best either. Perhaps I just wasn’t aware enough in the past of the machines and didn’t recognize their power. That could explain why DEMs lost and then had so little power for a few decades and only began to take back power when the GOP went totally off the deep end and the mediocre DEM machine candidates could win.
Can a product of a DEM political machine still be acceptable for public office? I’d say less so today in CA than in the last century.