Well, this must be true because it is in the New York Effing Times. No one else is to blame for her failing to have already put away her only opponent for the Democratic nomination, a little known Democratic Socialist with no media coverage and no support from the Democratic establishment.
White men narrowly backed Hillary Clinton in her 2008 race for president, but they are resisting her candidacy this time around in major battleground states, rattling some Democrats about her general-election strategy.
While Mrs. Clinton swept the five major primaries on Tuesday, she lost white men in all of them, and by double-digit margins in Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio, exit polls showed — a sharp turnabout from 2008, when she won double-digit victories among white male voters in all three states.
She also performed poorly on Tuesday with independents, who have never been among her core supporters. But white men were, at least when Mrs. Clinton was running against a black opponent: She explicitly appealed to them in 2008, extolling the Second Amendment, mocking Barack Obama’s comment that working-class voters “cling to guns or religion” and even needling him at one point over his difficulties with “working, hard-working Americans, white Americans.”
You know, there are certainly white men who probably are not voting for her because she is a woman, just as there were white men who voted for her in 2008 because her primary opponent was a black man. But to make the leap that her main problem with Democratic primary voters is all due to the sexism of white men, is a pretty big leap. Especially when she polls so poorly among young women, especially young white women. These young women are even writing open letters explaining to their parents why they do support Hillary over Bernie.
You taught me about being a baby boomer, about the Vietnam war, about being “freaks” instead of “hippies”, about getting drafted, and about not being someone’s “chick.” You taught me that music & art are political tools. That your parents generation just didn’t understand. That equality is more important than security. That political action is imperative as a citizen of this country. That it was cool to vote for Ralph Nader. That change doesn’t need a precedent to be viable. That the establishment has rarely, if ever, been right. That we serve those less fortunate and we never, ever, ever stop debating.
Most importantly, you taught me that women should never be under anyone’s thumb.
So, why are you voting for Hilary Clinton?
Clinton biggest supporters, regardless of gender, are older voters, and among older voters, older women are her strongest supporters, though a majority of older Democratic men also support her over Sanders.
Clinton commands majorities over Sanders among those 50 and older (65 percent to 32 percent), those who are not white (63 percent to 34 percent), self-identified Democrats (60 percent to 38 percent) and women (61 percent to 37 percent). Among women 50 and older, Clinton leads Sanders by 48 points—73 percent to 25 percent.
So, for the New York Times to claim that it is mostly white men who oppose her candidacy, with the implication that they will not vote for a woman, is misleading, at best. She has tremendous name recognition, a ton of money raised in 2015 in the invisible primary and the Clintons’ developed long term political relationships over the last two decades with leaders in the African American community.
Bernie came into the race a virtual unknown with no money, and no backing from the Democratic establishment. In any other year he would have been a fringe candidate who dropped out after only a few months, at best. But this year played out differently. Far more of Sanders’ support comes from people under the age of 50, with his largest group of support among those under 30.
That is the defining difference between Hillary’s supporters and Bernie’s: it’s generational, not a gender.
Gee, a New York Time op ed writer who is totally clueless and an asshole to boot.
I’m shocked, SHOCKED I tell you!
Actually, you should read the article, since Steven D obviously didn’t. It never suggests that sexism is the primary motivation, and never says that white men are the only group that don’t like Hillary. It’s actually a pretty interesting discussion of Hillary’s inability to connect on jobs and economic issues, among other things.
Steven seems to be responding to an article in his head, since the one he describes is nothing like the one that Healy actually wrote.
Krugman sure loves her.
This primary has been very revealing. Now that a true progressive is running for president, so-called progressives are taking off their masks.
Why frame it as either/or?
Yes, Bernie has done great with young voters – props for that!
Yes, there’s a massive gender gap on the left – men don’t like Hillary as much as women.
Yes, in the general electorate, white men especially aren’t in her camp.
All these things are true. We needn’t choose one.
In the general a lot of white women won’t vote fro her either.
“In the general a lot of white women won’t vote fro her either. “
Simply because her opponent is Donald Trump, there is a chance — a chance — Clinton will win white women.
So I’d say a lot is anywhere from 48-53%.
Yes — we do tend to gloss over the fact that (NewYorker) —
Yes, 48% is being charitable all based on the assumption that white women will be repulsed at what a misogynist Trump is, plus the identity politics aspect can’t be completely ignored.
However, if she fails to get The Youngs to vote in sufficient numbers, kiss winning the white women vote good-bye as the married white women cohort will almost definitely be tooting that Trump horn. Sanders’ support among young women is higher than it is among young men. Keep pissing on them and telling them it’s just rain, I’m sure they’ll turn out.
Just to add a little more to the mix-
Women, white and other, will vote for the “pocketbook” (to be sexist) and support a candidate that will lead to better employment, for themselves, their husbands and families. While Trump may spout some economic nonsense, he is directly addressing those concerns. HRC may be doing it but it appears to be less effective. Don’t assume all white women are going to support her. Those who don’t share her life experiences and education could very easily vote for the other guy.
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The other … guy?
Yeah, her or the other guy. I assume her opponent will be male; unless they drag the would be CEO Carly Fiorina out of the bar and promote her to be the nominee on the 27th ballot.
Hillary’s campaign has been saying since the day he got in the race that black people don’t like Bernie. That Latinos won’t vote for Bernie.
HRC’s ’08 campaign was a bit different.
Didn’t hear the Sanders’ campaign fire back with “young people don’t like Hillary” or “white men won’t vote for Hillary” and have it repeated endlessly by his campaign operatives and the MSM that has been courted by him for two decades. He just went out and talked and some people listened (or were young enough to still hear). He didn’t limit his talks to pre-selected, pre-screened demographic groups that favored him. If invited he talked even if it was in the “belly of the beast” where he didn’t have a pray of gaining support. While not invited, he would have declined a private audience with Wall St. or corporate honchos.
Speaking of, he also is not attending the AIPAC conference.
“Scheduling” can always be re-arranged. I’m curious to see his remarks of what he would have said.
Given his strong record of standing up for social justice, that must be a difficult issue for him. i have not seen it covered much.
One issue that seems to get sidestepped is that the gender breakdown among DEM and GOP primary voters. About 50/50 for the GOP. More like 45/55 (M/F) for DEMs. So, we could say that men don’t like Democrats.
Probably a fair statement going back to Nixon.
More like white men don’t like Dems.
Almost a tautology given the R’s “Base”.
Or DEMs don’t like white men? Granted that a lot of the GOP white men favor horrible positions and attitudes that have no place in a political party that claims to strive for diversity and equality, but that’s not all of them. For those not like that, they just haven’t heard anything from the DEM party in decades that sounds welcoming to them. Well, except from Sanders who seems to have gotten some respect from some of those GOP white men.
Men respond to the bitchslap theory of politics. Dems just dont do it that well.
Couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that white guys didn’t like Bill in 1992 or 1996 either could it?
LOL
Well except for the Time magazine cover story — THE REPUBLICAN SAVIOR – How Marco Rubio became the new voice of the GOP.
Maybe there was something wrong with that “new voice” that voters didn’t like. Like the whining and blaming you’re doing now. Republican voters whine and blame others but that’s not what they respond to from politicians courting their votes.
Which is funny when you consider the author of that piece is trying to hard to be the ghost-writer of Obama’s presidential biography. Meaning the book he’ll be putting out in about 3 years on his presidential years.
Were Obama’s other two books ghostwritten?
Maybe we should keep a list of which books politicians have actually written themselves. That would be a much shorter list than the ones that are ghostwritten.
If Obama hadn’t turned to politics, I think he would have been a writer, a novelist probably. I don’t think you can read “Dreams of My Father” and not think that he was a gifted writer.
He is certainly going to write every word of his own memoir. It will be a big part of his legacy. “Eight Years a President” by a really smart guy who writes honestly and well? A guy who takes pride in understanding the best argument for every position?
History is going to eat it up.
Steven, at the end of the first paragraph after the first block quote, don’t you mean “didn’t” support HRC?
Maybe I am missing your meaning…
The common mistake people make in primary season (more so on the Republican side this year) is that preferring a candidate indicates dislike or disinclination to vote for the other candidate. I don’t think that is typically the case. Trump may be the exception that proves the rule, or at least I hope.
A lot of that is because we’ve become more used to voting against than for.
Steven’s missing the point of this particular horserace coverage. It’s about Clinton v. Trump and assumes that they’ll win their nominations. To the limited extent the NYT ever took Sanders seriously, they’ve moved on. They’re looking for primary season demographic lessons that can be applied to the November matchup, and the massive generational gap on the Dem side just isn’t relevant. They’re assuming, probably correctly, that Sanders voters will either reluctantly fall in line for Clinton, vote for Jill Stein, or, most likely, sit it out. The CW wisdom is that they won’t go for Trump – though honestly, Trump’s message of disaffection has nearly as much in common with Sanders, especially at a visceral level, as Clinton’s does on the issues.
In any other year she would have been weaned out as a terrible candidate with no base of support that’s enthusiastic for her on her own merits. Those kind of “it’s my turn!” candidates rarely win; Poppy Bush is the only one I can think of in modern times, and that didn’t turn out so well when the nominee was a more skilled opponent than Dukakis. Trump, for all his menace, is a more skilled candidate than Dukakis was.
You taught me…that it was cool to vote for Ralph Nader.
Bullshit.
I voted for Nader in 2000, convinced that Gore did not deserve my vote. How stupid. Nader was–is–a narcissistic jerk who has never had the slightest interest in actual governance.
That’s what I’ve told the younger generation. Not that it was “cool” to vote for Ralph Nader, dammit.
“No one else is to blame for her failing to have already put away her only opponent for the Democratic nomination, a little known Democratic Socialist with no media coverage and no support from the Democratic establishment.”
I’m neutral in the race because my state (Maryland) isn’t going to make any difference and I’m happy with either candidate. But I want to point out here that Hillary actually HAS put away her only opponent for the Democratic nomination. Whether he ends his campaign or continues on to the end (I personally hope for the latter), the math simply precludes him now.
It was never “cool” to vote for Nader, so that individual merely reflects a need for further electoral counselling.
“mostly white men who oppose her candidacy, with the implication that they will not vote for a woman, is misleading, at best.”
Especially when they state IN THE SAME ARTICLE that white men DID vote for here in 2008. Either that proves misogyny has risen sharply over the last 8 years, or else maybe there’s another interpretation. Ya think ?
Check this out.
http://www.ianwelsh.net/why-poor-white-males-are-the-core-of-trumps-support/
Bertholt Brecht:
Some party hack decreed that the people
had lost the government’s confidence
and could only regain it with redoubled effort.
If that is the case, would it not be simpler,
If the government simply dissolved the people
And elected another?
“… the government simply dissolved the people
And elected another?”
Yes. I think that’s called “gerrymandering.”
this