In one sense, I fear that Jeet Heer is correct. Once you open up Pandora’s Box, it’s not so easy to put its contents back in the container. This is a theme I’ve hit on repeatedly over the years, but it’s usually been in the context of breaking norms against torture and indefinite detention, or about lowering the standards for what credentials ought to be required in a would-be president or vice-president.
Some taboos should not be broken, and the Republicans have been breaking taboos left and right ever since they decided to impeach the president over a petty infidelity, or at least since hanging chads tripped up the 2000 recount in Florida.
There have been big things and small. It used to be that judges were vetted by the American Bar Association and a degree from Regent University wasn’t seen as a ticket to a high-level position of responsibility in our nation’s bureaucracy. It used to be that we didn’t start wars of choice that involved invading and occupying foreign countries based a tissue box full of lies. It used to be that White House press credentials weren’t given out to fake reporters writing under an alias who moonlight as male prostitutes.
The list is getting pretty long at this point. You don’t threaten the credit of the United States. You don’t shut down the government. You don’t filibuster every procedural move in the Senate. You don’t refuse to meet with a Supreme Court nominee.
And, yes, you don’t nominate someone like Sarah Palin or Donald Trump and then try to tell us that they’re well-qualified for the position. You don’t defend the crackpot things that they say, whether it’s about torturing people, nuking people, beating the shit out of people, or deporting them by the millions.
Once you break these kind of taboos, the standards fall away and we’re no longer a credible defender of human rights and nuclear non-proliferation, or a beacon of freedom and sanctuary from strife. The standards we had for what constitutes a qualified judge or elected official fall by the wayside. Even our norms against open professions of racism wither on the vine.
Still, I’m not sure that Heer is fully justified in his pessimism here:
We can expect future Republican presidential candidates, running in a party that has not only lastingly alienated Americans of color but threatened them with open hatred and violence—even expulsion—to borrow from Trump’s strategy of racial polarization. Trump might fail, in other words, but Trumpism will live on. And given the fact America has a two-party system and voters will inevitably want change, we have to face the prospect that even if Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders wins the White House for Democrats in November, the historical odds say the United States will eventually elect a Trumpian president.
Yet Trump’s enduring impact won’t merely be political. “This is a movement,” Trump exulted last August during a campaign speech in Nashville, Tennessee. “I don’t want it to be about me.” He was right about that: Trump may be the icon of the movement he’s ignited, but it’s gone far beyond his actions or control. And while organized white nationalists are the animating core of the movement, beyond them are the far more numerous Americans who harbor racist attitudes and economic resentments but have no links to the likes of David Duke.
For decades, this cohort has had to grapple with the fact that public expressions of racism were becoming taboo. When politicians tried to win over these voters, they had to use code words and dog whistles. Trump has changed all that: The dog whistle has given way to the air horn. And now when white people want to harass Hispanic basketball players or Muslim students, they have a rallying cry: “Trump, Trump, Trump!”
This is a real concern, but it’s not inevitable.
Maybe because we have a two-party system, this future can be averted.
If Trump loses, and loses badly, I’m not sure that future Republican presidential candidates will want to emulate him. There might still be a window where a candidate can hope to win by racially polarizing the electorate and getting enough of just the white voters to win. But that window is closing if it is not already closed. If Trump can’t do it in 2016, it will take even more polarization to pull off in 2020. And it’s frankly pretty hard to see how you could be more racially polarizing than Trump and still retain the white voters who are turned off by this kind of politics. It’s not just that the country is getting browner by the year. The young voters are getting less race-conscious every year, too.
To see a full repeat of Trumpism, people need to see some margin in it. That means for Trumpism to have much a future, it needs to succeed now.
Otherwise, the Republican Party will have to reckon with what Michael Gerson is talking about:
But the durability of Trump’s appeal creates a conundrum for many Republicans. For decades, some of us have argued that the liberal stereotype of Republicans as extreme, dim and intolerant is inaccurate and unfair. But here is a candidate for president who fully embodies the liberal stereotype of Republicans — who thinks this is the way a conservative should sound — and has found support from a committed plurality of the party.
If the worst enemies of conservatism were to construct a Frankenstein figure that represents the worst elements of right-wing politics, Donald Trump would be it. But it is Republicans who are giving him life. And the damage is already deep.
If this is the logical endpoint of the Conservative Movement, well, it seems like we’re reaching the end.
That’s my hope, anyway.
As long and Fox News and hate radio remain profitable, Trumpism isn’t going away. It’s possible we may be seeing the beginning of a change though. Corporations are increasingly skittish of right wing ‘religious freedom’ laws. Some are expressing an unwillingness to be associated with the Republican convention. They’re being successfully educated that it might not be in their best interests for their ads to be broadcast on Rush Limbaugh’s show. These sorts of things give me some hope.
But once Trump is gone, the Villagers will go into overdrive rehabilitating the GOP image again. After all, none of the nice Republicans they socialize with support Trump.
…Corporations are increasingly skittish of right wing ‘religious freedom’ laws. …
Hmm.
I agree. I see Trumpism as an opportunistic George Wallace moment. (from a report on a Wallace rally: “There is menace in the blood shout of the crowds…”).
I do not think it will be sustained in the mainstream for the very reasons you note. However it is still with us and if conditions are right it will raise its ugly head from to time to until, and if, we evolve into more enlightened souls (not going to happen in my lifetime much to my chagrin).
So I would have to say yes, Trumpism has been with us since the beginning and will continue to have a shelf life.
The George Wallace moment,
became the southern strategy,
of which T-rump
is the current incantation of.
I started a comment here. It grew. Now a standalone post.
A Marxist View of Trumpism
Comment there if you wish to do so.
AG
Could be, but what would that look like? A slight moderation in GOP congress after Hillary is elected?
This just screams time for a new constitution to me. All the other democracies do it.
You would open that can of worms in the present climate thinking you could control the process???????
Constitution courtesy of ALEC?
I would. Everything public and no secret influence. A sanctified document written by drunken patruarchs 200+ years ago is no way to run a modern state.
I don’t see how they keep the loonies in the attic any more and deny them the House when their gerrymanders have created so many rotten boroughs to keep them in power.
And with a press eager to distribute their off-the-cuff bon mots for clicks….
That’s what they said about Goldwater, and Goldwater’s New Right movement went down in flames much harder than Trump’s is expected to.
Yes, it gets harder and harder each electoral cycle for the GOP to run a WASP herrenvolk strategy. Millenials + nonwhites will rise by about 3% of the electorate every four years for a few cycles. But there are a couple of flies in that ointment:
A.) Trump is a uniquely incompetent candidate. Cruz, who is only slightly less crazy than Trump, does much better in HRC matchups. It’s not out of the question that a smarter fascist (one who doesn’t antagonize the neocons and plutocrat; one who doesn’t derail the media conversation with their narcissism and outrageousness) could greatly improve on Trump’s numbers while still running the same racial revanchist platform.
B.) Clinton is a uniquely incompetent candidate. She’s doing record-breakingly poor with the youth. She’s a gaffe machine. The states where she is strong in the primary have tanked in turnout compared to 2008, such as South Carolina and Texas. And the proof is in the pudding with her favorability numbers; generally, a candidate’s unfavorables are stable throughout the primary (including hers in 2008 and Romney’s in 2012) and then spike afterwards. They’re already spiking at a linear rate.
People who say that Clinton’s floor is reached because she’s already universally known and the RWNJ attack machine has thrown everything they can at her have yet to give me an explanation as to why she keeps getting more unpopular and at a favorable rate.
This wouldn’t necessarily be a problem as long as she was running up against the even more incompetent Trump. The thing is, she’ll still be the de-facto head of the Democratic Party in 2020 and there’s no guarantee she’ll be up against Trump. Even if she pulls an LBJ and resigns, the GOP can still use her as a folk demon.
Her only hope is that the Republican Party implodes so spectacularly that despite her poor numbers she wins the House long enough to have a two-year window to get shit done. And it might indeed happen.
Bottom line: We’re not out the woods yet.
Yeah, I think it likely she loses in 2020 even if she wins now. Well thats what you get when half your support is based on fear of the other side.
HRC’s fav/unfav ratings have tanked in comparison with an inflated rating when she began her campaign. Nothing mysterious about the decline. Polls only gather Fav and Unfav opinions and don’t test for the softness of either. Although it could have been assumed that her low rating for trustworthy was canceled out with her high rating for qualified/experienced.
Compared to other recent Flotus ratings, HRC scored at the lower end. (With the exception of the period when she was the “wronged wife.”)
Such a pity that Trump is such a boor that he doesn’t appreciate how to soft-peddle the GOP rat poison. Mistook all those GOP voters for informed consumers that hungered for blunt talk like what Rush gives them. Trump would be the synthesis of Saint Reagan and Rush. What could wrong?
You have it completely backwards. It is the very natural result of a two-party system to (eventually) nominate someone like Trump. These “norms” that you point out–that are being broken again and again–are fact evidence of this process at work.
To suggest that our two-party will fix the situation shows you are perfectly willing to accept spasmodic Republican disaster in exchange for unspecified Democratic control.
So how is this any different from the lachesism that you claim to reject?
Sure, but it is more our archaic election rules that promote a two party system that is vulnerable to a candidate that has committed minority support. For example, if the Republican primary was using some sort of ranked voting system, it is unlikely that Trump would be dominating.
Not that either party is making any effort to improve our electoral system… Maybe after this election, voters will press for some sort of electoral reforms, but most likely it will take a disruptive third party to come along before anyone is willing to change the way we do elections.
Not just the GOP’s radicalization, but the strange promotion of the radicalization with a distinct lack of checks or even balances along the way.
It makes one wonder if they are now incapable of recognizing a moral compass even if it means their very survival depends upon grasping it.
The Rep autopsy was never not ignored. Self awareness be damned.
So watching Trump’s numbers this week the question will unfold that if the party that didn’t recognize it’s members that Trump represents how could that same party recognize or even represent the people that he doesn’t represent?
If our leftmost party is the equivalent of the Conservatives under Cameron, it makes sense that our rightmost party will be the equivalent of UKIP under Farage. Sorry, Corbyn.
In a two party system, you cannot have two centrist parties. If one party is centrist, the other must become extreme.
“We can expect future Republican…”
That’s assuming there even is a Republican party. This time, there are no “Dixiecrats” to jump party, there are no “Reagan Democrats” to heist, there is the 4,000 pound gorilla of the anti-establishment Tea Party, which Republicans spent much hot air denying were Republicans in the first place, and there is a quickly declining electorate of old, white men as they die off. And as an old, white man myself, I don’t think it’s out of line for me to say it’s about time.
I’m more concerned about the dynamics of the 2 party system, which doesn’t work very well when one party splinters into pieces. What happens to the Democratic Party when they don’t have a strong opposition party? The answer is, they become Republicans.
“That’s assuming there even is a Republican party.”
Almost word for word what I was going to write.
Standards have been broken so many times, but at the same time they are breaking the party. Constant reckless driving will destroy the car, either gradually or suddenly.
This is not farfetched. The reason for the deliberate plummeting of standards is desperation. The GOP as a national party has been slowly dying for some time. They can still do a lot of damage, but they have no future.
You’ve got a good point about the two-party system. Most likely a new party will form, as the GOP, if it survives at all, will be relegated to the fringes.
It’s happened before. The republican Party was born out of the death of the Whigs.
The GOP has no future? The GOP is much, much better off now than they were in 1932. Yes, demographics will eventually do them in but we’re talking a looooong timeframe. Like 20+ years.
The New Deal Coalition had demographics much more on their side than Obama did. That still didn’t prevent them getting their clocks cleaned in 1938, 1946, 1950, 1952, 1956, and almost tasting disaster in 1948 and 1960.
Demographics and cultural changes are already doing them in. The parameters are too indefinite for me to try to predict how long “it” will take.
“Like 20+ years.”
20+ years really isn’t a very looooong time. But I’m an old white man, so what do I know? 😛
1938: House – 262(D) to 169 (R) and Senate 68(D) to 23(R). Retaining both houses and with large majorities isn’t quite “clocks cleaned.
In the years from 1932 to 1950, the GOP was in the minority in both chambers except for 1947-49. They regained both four years later and held it for exactly two years.
1960: House 262(D) to 175(R) and Senate 64(D) to 36(R).
The problems for DEMs at the Congressional level slowly increased over the years from 1968 through 1994 as they moved further and further away from the “New Deal” until the GOP finally took over. 2006 and 2008 were blips in response to the disaster of GWB and DEM candidates presenting a faux “New Deal” face.
What I see is that they are splintering into mutually hostile fragments. The unifying factor of Reaganism and even religion is gone. The reasons for this are entirely internal and will be impossible to reverse. So I don’t know how long it will take, but it will happen.
It really is not due to externals, other than the well known one of demographics. But if the Sanders forces do get more influence in the Democratic Party, that will make the Democrats more appealing to the working class and accelerate the decline of the GOP.
OTOH, if the current DEM elites hold onto their grip on the party, they’ll be in the hot seat when the next great depression happens and restore the GOP to prominence.
I can’t deny that. The inertia and stupidity of the Democratic establishment is an great comfort to the GOP.
How will the car be wrecked?
It seems the base of the party is happy with the party’s extremism. If congress is unpopular with them, it’s because they promised to repeal like secret minority welfare and other fever-swamp fantasies and they didn’t do it. How does a new party on the right side become dominant when the majority of the votes and the money is still locked up by extremist ideology?
I’m not saying it can’t happen. Maybe there is a tipping point. But all these people talking about the Whigs don’t seem to explain how the Republican party would realign in our time.
So the GOP is less favored in presidential elections. This is a terribly relative thing. As I’ve argued, many of their goals and cash-flows work just fine without the presidency. And being less competitive hardly means a win is impossible. Dominance of electoral position tends to turn Democratic parties into jelly. Looking at the MA party losing elections for governor.
It seems more likely to me that congressional candidates would continue being fire-eaters, but the party might get a grip on it’s presidential track and run more plausible crypto-moderates in the future. But that’s hardly an end to the party.
If I wagered on the shelf life of practically any phenom in the US, I’d probably go broke. Never seem able to wrap my mind around how much Americans like crappy and tasteless.
“Predictions are hard, especially about the future”
Depends upon the time-frame and the number of variables that can’t be nailed down. So, tomorrow the sun will rise and in about 4.5 to 5 billion years from now, it will explode.
Know how the GOP has been screaming how Obama doesn’t lead. Well that is just projection of how leaderless they have become. There can be no reform/change without a leader.
But Trump shows how malleable party orthodoxy can become when there’s a power vacuum. The next person to step into the breach might have a more palatable set of ideas.
Trump’s tax and healthcare plans are carbon copies of what they always run.
It’s just a sequence of rebranding efforts, from Bush to Romney to the “tea party” to Trump. If the constituents weren’t so maddeningly ignorant (and, of course, systemically misinformed and misled) they’d realize that even Trump is the same old thing again.
You can always come up with something else and call it “GOP” (just like you can label anything “American”).
Old wine, new bottle. Same thing can be said about the various financial instruments that led to the Great Recession. Crap that was so high risk that it was outlawed in the years just before and after the Great Depression.
If you really want Trump to be defeated and defeated badly, first you must take away his authoritarian populist appeal. It’s this in combination with overt racism that is the basis of his support. If you take out the meanness and racism you will find he takes a similar position as Bernie on `free’ trade, the main cause of pain and suffering in the former middle class.
There are a lot of people who will vote on the single trade issue, TPP. I think it will be very difficult for any thinking person to believe Hillary won’t promote TPP if elected, something she negotiated, with her calling it the gold standard of trade deals regardless of what she says now. What she did in the past, as with so many other things, is how she is going to be judged by the electorate if she somehow makes it to the general.
Trump is against TPP and people believe him. Bernie is against TPP (and all the other `free’ trade deals) and people believe him. Bernie takes away Trump’s best issue leaving him with only the ugly. Take away populist Trump all you have is racist Trump. Hillary simply can never pivot to become a creditable populist taking anything away from Trump.
I watched the MSNBC town hall starting with Trump, then Hillary and finally Bernie. I was particularly interested in the Trump interview because Hillary shrill Chris (Tweedy) Mathews was the moderator. MSNBC called this the `fiery’ debate. Matthews calls his show Hard Ball, mostly because he asks a question then always talks over the answer regardless of what the interviewee is saying. Simply put, he is a bully, a rude highly paid asshole.
Trump kicked his ass from one end of the stage to the other. Tweedy would start his bully tactic and Trump would talk over him in a way that all you could hear was Trump. He would do this until Tweedy surrendered, surrendering every time. Trump even turned the tables where Trump was asking Tweedy the questions. I think the audience enjoyed this, I know I certainly did, watching Tweedy being taken down a notch or two by another more clever bully. I can’t imagine Hillary trading insults with this guy. It will be like taking a knife to a gun fight.
Even with Bernie being the gentleman he is, Trump will have no answers for what Bernie says because Bernie is the real deal, not only a real populist but a humanitarian populist. Polls already show, not just some of them but all of the national polls show Bernie beating Trump by a much wider margin than Hillary. If you really want to beat Trumpism with a landslide margin, enough to take down all the racism and hate that goes along with it, maybe even the end the neo-liberal conservative movement, the answer is simple; nominate Bernie Sanders.
Almost no one agrees with the claim that Trump was enormously successful in his interview with Chris Matthews. Using his (I agree) bullying style, Matthews managed to pull out of Trump such a large Kinseyan gaffe that The Man Who Never Retreats issued a retraction within hours of the interview broadcast.
Even anti-choice groups told the Donald to can it; he blew their big pretense.
Where will the business lobby find their votes? Where will the ‘values’ and white entitlement voters find their funding? Probably easier for the latter than the former.
The market for supply-side snake oil has collapsed; no small thing as this was the covenant of the Faustian bargain between these two factions for decades.
The market for supply-side snake oil has collapsed;…
Wish that were true. Unfortunately it has been repackaged and is selling well to Democrats.
Not for long. The Greek chorus is chanting softly, “nafta, nafta, nafta…” in the background. The cohort of the disgruntled broadens as patience wears thin; think about beliefs Trump and Bernie supporters apparently share that remain well outside the mainstream.
I lived through the Nixon years, heck I was hitch-hiking around the lower forty-eight and I can remember it felt like “the times they were a’changin'”. I’m getting that feeling again now, though from a respectful distance.
Nafta, etc. has been in the background since 1992. Now twenty-four years later it’s still in the background. Maybe a little bit louder, but has yet to burst through to the majority because it keeps getting co-opted. In ’92 and ’96 by WJC (I know he sort of supported NAFTA in ’92, but with a DEM Congress opposed to it, the DEM base expected it to at least get watered down from what GHWB was pushing for. Plus the DEM base was so hungry for a DEM POTUS that they were willing to overlook that serious shortcoming of WJC.)
Tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum on that issue in 2000 (exhibited in low voter turnout that year). 2004 — what did Kerry run on other than “not GWB?” 2008 BHO was going to renegotiate NAFTA — how many expected that the “renegotiation” would be rolled into the even worse TPP? Sanders isn’t even breaking though on this issue with Democrats. Perhaps he hasn’t stressed this enough in his speeches and ads and assumed that voters are more informed than they are. Trump supporters are the most likely Republicans to oppose more trade deals, but seem to have an understanding of them at a visceral level and cognitively limited to Trump’s advocacy for tariffs.
It’s a start. Corporations don’t give a fig about sovereign states or the well-being of their citizens. An economy that tilts toward the wishes of the elite in matters of trade will eventually be hollowed out like a blown egg. Any profit not already consumed by trading counter-parties will be immediately exploited by ‘carry trade’ arbitrage transactions at the speed of light. How do these advantages ‘trickle-down’? In summary, they don’t.
In the absence of an aggressive regulatory regime the workers don’t have a chance. Trump supporters may be pig-ignorant but at least they’re angry.
Trump is exploiting their anger and ignorance. What they need is a leader that validates the anger but not the ignorance that is leading them to the same counterproductive solutions they’ve been buying for decades and has led to where we are now.
Agreed. Lenin, when asked to define ‘revolution’ said, “Three days without bread.” Let’s be clear this is not a revolution; we are just haggling over the price of the average citizen’s participation in the global economy. Maybe Trump and his supporters have a point, maybe they could get a better deal. He’s the first to suggest that possibility for quite some time.
Trump probably isn’t a worse deal for them, but it won’t be better. OTOH, Trump, Cruz, and Kasich mean worse for many others. Somewhat different but in the aggregate, the harm they would advance would be about the same.
Arthur Silber — Desperation and Rage in the Time of Trump
The answer to the above question would be no.
Politicians must manage the decline without disturbing the dishes.