In rebutting Paul Waldman here, I don’t mean any disrespect. And I’m not sure that he’s not right on his overall point, which is that Clinton will never ask Elizabeth Warren to be her running mate. My quarrel isn’t with his prediction or even necessarily with his reasoning for making the prediction. My quarrel is with his rather unqualified endorsement of that reasoning.
To be clear, I have already written a piece on why progressives shouldn’t be clamoring for a Clinton/Warren ticket, and some of my argument overlaps with Waldman’s. But let’s take this one step at a time, and I’ll be playing a bit of Devil’s Advocate.
My dear liberal friends, I can feel your excitement already. But while Warren will be a great anti-Trump surrogate for Clinton — maybe the best Clinton will have — she’s not going to be on the ticket. Sorry to deliver the bad news.
There are a few reasons for this. The first is that Clinton and Warren aren’t close or even particularly friendly, and personal rapport is a key part of an effective working relationship between the president and vice president, as Clinton surely understands.
This is Waldman’s strongest point, and one I made myself. But, while it’s important for a president and vice-president to get along and work as a team, both as candidates and once in office, it’s not absolutely necessary. Sometimes, a vice-presidential pick can serve a different purpose, like helping to unite a party that has developed some significant factions. In the old days, the Democrats liked to go with a North-South balance (JFK-Johnson, LBJ-Humphrey, Carter-Mondale, Dukakis-Bentsen). This helped smooth over the divide between the segregationists and the intellectual left. The new divide isn’t so much regional as ideological. But Warren would serve a similar purpose in uniting a party with someone who is respected and trusted by both sides. In this case, it would be putting one short-term goal (getting elected) over another longer term goal (governing as effectively as possible), but that doesn’t make it necessarily the wrong choice. In a way, it’s a safe and cautious choice that acknowledges that Clinton has some weaknesses with her base that need shoring up.
My biggest disagreement is with Waldman’s next point.
Second, picking Warren would make for a historic all-female ticket, and that could be a risk. To be clear, it’s ludicrous that there should be something troubling to anyone about having two women running together. After all, we’ve had over a hundred all-male tickets in our history, and only two with one man and one woman. But there could well be some number of voters — how many is difficult to tell — who would vote for Clinton with a male running mate, but would find Clinton with a female running mate just too much to handle. It’s sexist, but Clinton is going to need the votes of people who have some sexism somewhere in their hearts, just like Barack Obama needed the votes of people with some racism somewhere in their hearts.
Maybe because the Democrats had used the aforementioned North-South strategy for quite some time (excepting the Mondale-Ferraro gender play in 1984), when Bill Clinton picked another young, male Southerner to be his running mate it was a surprise. And a lot of people thought it was a risk because “there could well be some number of voters — how many was difficult to tell — who would vote for a Southerner, but would find two Southerners just too much to handle.”
It turned out that Clinton and Gore complemented each other and wound up amplifying their strengths, which were youth, good looks, and a lot of energy that contrasted nicely with Poppy Bush and Ross Perot. If Clinton wants to excite people as an agent of change, she couldn’t do much better than picking a woman as her running mate. In fact, I don’t think she can be a convincing change agent any other way. As far as offering a nice contrast, what better way to go up against an infamous womanizer and misogynist than to run two strong, accomplished women against him?
The last argument is one that has merit but that I find annoying.
Third, and probably most important, right now the governor of Massachusetts is a Republican, Charlie Baker. That means that if Warren stepped down to become vice president, Baker would appoint a temporary successor for her Senate seat. In other years this might have been a relatively minor consideration, but in 2016 it’s absolutely central to the fate of Clinton’s presidency.
There is a chance that simply by picking a running mate from the Senate who will be temporarily replaced with a Republican that it could change which party controls the Senate in the first years of a Clinton administration. It’s something worth considering. But, ultimately, Clinton stands a better chance of creating the coattails that will bring a Democratic Senate by choosing the best possible running mate and winning the election by the largest possible margin. She should not reject every possible running mate that might give the Republicans one additional Senate seat until a special election can be held to fill the seat for what remains of their full six-year term. If Sherrod Brown will help her crush Trump and win Sen. Portman’s seat in Ohio, then it’s worth picking him even if Gov. Kasich puts a Republican in Brown’s seat for a while. The same is true for Warren.
Also, let’s not forget that the first requirement here should be that the running mate would make a good president. There’s a bigger picture here even than solely who controls the Senate in the first year or two of the next presidency.
To sum up, I am not clamoring for a Clinton-Warren ticket, but I think it would be a very strong ticket. It might be the strongest possible ticket if all we’re considering is the election and not the governing that comes afterwards or the best use of Warren’s talents and influence.
The biggest downside, in addition to the fact that Clinton and Warren “aren’t close or even particularly friendly,” is this:
Warren would come to the office with her own agenda on economic affairs — an agenda more aggressively liberal than Clinton’s, particularly when it comes to how the government should deal with Wall Street. Warren would also bring her own constituency, which could make her an unwanted headache for Clinton, who like all presidents would want a vice president who has no goal other than advancing the president’s goals.
But I don’t know how much of a headache that would really represent. I don’t know that they couldn’t get along and be good team. I don’t know that Clinton wouldn’t want Warren to take on the role of bad cop.
And, in any case, I actually want the Warren constituency to get a seat at the table, so perhaps selfishly I don’t see this as an unwelcome potential problem.
Maybe Team Clinton agrees with Waldman. I don’t really know. But I hope they aren’t persuaded by his arguments.
Warren’s agenda isn’t that different from Clinton’s. She tends to be more regulatory in her approach, which is more similar to Clinton than Sanders, who takes a “Hulk Smash” approach to banking.
I think the Senate control argument is critically important, actually. The first item on Clinton’s agenda is likely to be Scalia’s seat. Having control of the Senate is critical.
The best Veep for her would be a progressive governor – male or female – with a razor sharp wit. Ann Richards would have been perfect. Brian Schweitzer held some promise in that regard.
She needs an attack dog, and that – to me – is Warren’s greatest appeal, as the Twitter war of the past week showed. But Warren will do that anyway. She’s going to take on Trump because it’s fun.
So, can you find a liberal governor who is good at political infighting?
I agree on this. Be funny if she took my governor, Brown, from California. In some ways, attitude wise, he’s similar to Bernie. He’s also not afraid to fight.
No governor is perfect, and he certainly isn’t. But he’s been very successful and is popular here.
Forget the liberal part. It isn’t going to make any difference anyway. How many VP’s have forced their will on an opposing Pres? If you are going to run Clinton, run another neoliberal with her. There are many to be found without raiding the Senate. The only political reason to run warren would be to neutralize her.
Take Rahm Emanuel –PLEASE!
Unless it is essentially a given that HRC loses in 2020, or that even a democratic ticket with Jesus of Nazareth/George Washington loses in 2024, having an actual progressive as VP is a pretty valuable thing to set up for 2024.
If you want progressives in charge of like, the executive branch, the VP slot is pretty valuable for all sorts of reasons…first of all, the inherent breath’s distance from the POTUS slot.
Do you know what t. Roosevelt’s opinion was? Oblivion. At the convention he was the only vote against himself for VP. He thought his political career was over. Then McKinley was shot.
Well I certainly agree that the VP should be a set up pick. Someone who can take the party forward in 2024 – so age is a factor. And I agree with TarheelDem no one from Congress. And I agree with Waldman that it will not be an all female ticket, I just don’t see Hillary picking another woman for a variety of reasons. So who does that leave? I think it will be either Martin O’Malley or Julian Castro.
I’d pick Julian Castro.
Besides he’s got an identical win brother in Congress – let the hilarity ensue…
O’Malley is bland enough, but black voters hate him because of Baltimore. he might not even win his own state.
Castro name will drive Republicans nuts. They’ll confuse him with Fidel. Watch.
Agree, the two females unlikely to change much.
I am curious if you think a State appointment might do more to assure her left flank, as that is the area in which she is likely to have the most free hand? And a lot of us are nervous about that, even if she is NOT Trump.
I do not believe that any VP will be selected by HRC who has even gently publicly advocated banking reform. With all of her service and apparent surrender to the Permanent Government and its owners, I am still not sure that she is considered 100% trustworthy by the controllers. She might be the world’s greatest ever sleeper cell. Not likely, but it’s a possibility.
Remember this interview w/Matt Lauer during the Lewinsky honeytrap mess?
I repeat:
“This is — the great story here for anybody willing to find it and write about it and explain it is this vast right-wing conspiracy that has been conspiring against my husband since the day he announced for president.”
Hard words, followed by almost two decades of apparently faithful, obedient service to the system that allowed that to happen.
Hmmmm…
Wishful thinking?
Yup.
Sue me.
AG
Seems to me that she’s got Wall Street exactly where she wants them and can do whatever she wants to them.
Partly, this is just good fortune in having the right enemies and the right timing, partly it’s the fortuitous fact that New York provided the best place for her to run for Senate. But they trust her and they prefer (most of them) to the alternative.
They’ll try to call in their chips, but she has them by the short and curlies.
What she does it up to her, but the politics say to treat them rough.
Which “politics,” Booman? seriously. If she’s only looking at one term? Yes. Two? Not so much.
That would be a great pitch to Elizabeth Warren, by the way.
This would be hard to refuse…if Warren actually believed her, of course.l
Hard to turn something like that down…
AG
Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.
Yes, but what if it looks like you nothing but enemies?
Things can get a little…crowded…close up.
AG
Yes, but what if it looks like you have nothing but enemies?
Duh.
AG
How many people really vote for someone because of whom they have as no. 2 on their ticket. Did Palin increase or decrease McCain’s vote? Did Biden effect Obama’s vote one way or the other?
It seems to me that the VP choice is important electorally only insofar as it gives the electorate one more data point on the main candidate: It reflects on his/her character and judgement. Thus concerns about McCain’s judgement were confirmed by his choice of Palin. Concerns about Obama’s lack of experience were allayed by his choice of Biden. A bad pick can lose you votes, but will a good pick gain you much especially if the opposition have also made a good pick?
The VP pick can help with the optics in the build up of a campaign. But actual voting numbers in Nov.? Not so much.
Hillary needs to reduce her high negatives. Somebody who is a good media performer and who can appeal to voters with a dislike for Hillary could be useful. Someone who can take on Trump at his own game – thus allowing Hillary to appear Presidential and above the fray might be ideal.
Sanders or Warren, being senior and seasoned players in their own right could fulfil that role. Perhaps best to wait and see who Trump picks. If he picks a Latino that may change the dynamics.
A VP doesn’t matter unless it really blows up in your face, like Palin did with McCain.
My take is that Clinton wont pick Warren because:
Ultimately, I think you will see a Wall Street friendly non-Senator getting the nod.
Hispanic man. More conservative than Warren. It’s written in the stars.
Considering the demographics of Democratic voters, an all-white ticket is probably a thing of the past.
Gotta be honest, this reads a lot more like “reasons to pick Warren” than the opposite. Bottom line, there are too many, way too many, Bernie supporters that simply do not trust Clinton and are at serious risk of staying home. Warren fixes that in a way no other VP choice can. Personally, I’m all for it. It’s not about the best use of Warren’s influence, either, it’s just about saving the country from Trump, period.
In general, pick no one from Congress because of adding another heavy lift to an already heavy down-ticket requirement.
But in Elizabeth Warren’s case, keeping her in the Senate makes sense because of her placement and seniority on committees, especially those dealing with the finance, insurance, and real estate sector. Having some power on a committee could come in useful when Hillary Clinton goes to deliver on her campaign promises to the FIRE sector. A sort of reverse Max Baucus effect. And on regulatory appointments.
Those are the primary reasons that I think Clinton will consider her briefly for the VP spot, to sideline her from Congressional opposition to some of Clinton’s agenda.
HRC would make Warren a paper tiger not a bad cop. That is, as VP HRC would call the shots so putting Warren on the ticket gives us nothing policy wise and defangs her for the duration of her term and maybe her career. If the seat at the table is a high chair, dont sit and avoids sticking Warren with potential trouble in 2020.
In fact I think a Sanders-Warren ticket would be good, Warren would get the lofty goals of Sanders into a workable policy. Thats unlikely to happen obviously, but Im talking in the abstract here.
If Clinton wants to excite people as an agent of change, she couldn’t do much better than being anyone else other than Hillary Clinton.
Meanwhile, why would Elizabeth Warren want to be
Vice
-President? How would being
Vice
-President advance any of her goals?
The Senate thing is important. I want a filibuster rule change that includes Supreme Court nominations, and I don’t want to risk even slightly our ability to reclaim a majority of the Senate for the beginning of the next session to accomplish this. Besides, if MA can elect a Republican governor and Scott Brown, they can win the seat outright again if the Dems run someone as weak as Coakley.
I’ve said here before, and I say here again — Jeff Merkley. His support of Sanders will unify the ticket, and he’s very progressive.
After Scott Brown, Mark Kirk, and and a close call in Delaware where “I am not a witch” beat Castle in the primary, I am against anybody coming out of the Senate to serve in the administration.