The Leave campaign in the Brexit referendum have employed two main arguments in their campaign: The fear of uncontrolled immigration into the UK and the need to take back control from “faceless bureaucrats in Brussels”. Little matter that 60% of foreign born residents of the UK are not from the EU and that the total foreign born population comes in at 13% of the total — the same as US and Germany — and lower than both Norway and Switzerland, which are not in the EU.
But it is to the second meme that I want to turn my attention, one conceded by many on both left and right of the Remain side: the alleged domination by faceless bureaucrats in Brussels. Let us leave aside, for the moment, the oddity that the charges of a lack of democratic accountability are coming from the only major EU member with an entirely unelected upper chamber of parliament.
Is it true that nations joining the EU have to shed a lot of democracy in the process? A lot is made, for instance, of the three occasions on which a referendum on essentially the same Treaty was run twice “until the electorate gave the right answer”… as if this somehow undermined the democratic legitimacy of the EU. However the UK also voted, in a Referendum in 1975, on the question of EU membership. So why is the current referendum any more legitimate?
In fact the EU membership is the only question on which voters have been given a direct say by way of a UK wide referendum: all other questions having been decided by way of the “Sovereign” Westminster Parliament including the unelected House of Lords. It seems to me that membership of the EU has more democratic accountability than any other decisions made by the UK.
But let us examine this issue a little more widely. In total, there have been 46 distinct referenda on matters related to the EU since 1972. Many of these were held in countries such as the UK with little or no tradition of holding referenda – so you could argue that the level of democracy and consultation in EU member states has actually increased with or since accession.
In 34 of these referenda, the side supported by the pro-EU side won the day. That is a pretty high proportion given that many referenda are effectively votes of confidence in the Government of the day, and that governments frequently get turfed out at the next election. There have been 9 defeats for the pro-government or pro-EU side which were then honoured or implemented:
- In 1972 Norway voted against membership and did not join.
- In 1979 Greenland voted against membership and subsequently left
- In 1994 Norway again voted against membership and did not join.
- In 2000 and 2003 Denmark and Sweden voted against joining the Euro
- In 2005 France and Netherlands voted against a proposed new Constitution, which was then never enacted.
- In 2015 Denmark voted against opting in to the Justice and Home affairs provisions of the Maastricht Treaty.
- In 2016 Dutch voters voted against an Association Agreement between the European Union and Ukraine in a low turn-out non-binding referendum. Whether this referendum result will be honoured remains to be seen.
There have also been 3 referenda defeats which resulted in the Government of the day negotiating changes to the Treaty in question and subsequently carrying a second vote by a much higher margin on a much higher turnout:
1. First Defeat and re-run
In Denmark, two referendums were held before the treaty of Maastricht passed. The first was held on 2 June 1992, had a turnout of 82.9% with approval of the treaty of Maastricht denied by a slim margin of 50,7%, with 49.3% in favour of the treaty.
After that defeat of the treaty, Denmark negotiated and received the following four opt-outs from portions of the treaty: Economic and Monetary Union, Union Citizenship, Justice and Home Affairs and Common Defense. A new referendum was held on 18 May 1993. There was a turnout of 85.5% of which the 56.8% voted in favour of the treaty with the opt-outs.
Second Defeat and re-run
In 2001 Irish voters rejected the Treaty of Nice by 53.9%, with 34.8% of the electorate voting. At a second referendum in 2002, statements on Ireland not having to join a common defence policy and affirming the right to decide on enhanced cooperation in the national parliament were stressed in a special document and they accepted the Treaty by 62.9% with 49.5% of the electorate voting.
Third defeat and re-run:
- Ireland – 53.2% against (12 June 2008)
After the first vote by the Republic of Ireland on the Lisbon Treaty, the European Council made a statement that the other member countries would not use the possibility in the Treaty to diminish the number of permanent commissioners in favor of a rotating system with fewer commissioners, and not threaten Ireland’s military neutrality and rules on abortion. With these statements, The Irish voted again on the unchanged Lisbon Treaty on 2 October 2009. The vote was then 67.1% in favour of the treaty.
- Ireland – 67.1% in favour (2 October 2009)
Note that in each case there was a much higher turnout for the second vote and the vote was carried by a much higher margin than the original defeat.
I think we can draw a number of conclusions form this: There has been more democratic consultation within EU member states since they became part of the EU. 75% of proposed changes have been voted in. In most cases where a proposal was defeated, that result was respected and implemented. In three cases a proposal was defeated and then subsequently passed by a much wider margin on a higher turn-out vote following the negotiation of opt-outs or clarifications. There has also been one slightly weird anomaly: In July 2015 the Greek Government actually won a referendum called to reject the bailout conditions attached to a Troika bail-out in the Greek government-debt crisis by 61%. Shortly afterwards the government accepted a bailout with even harsher conditions than the one rejected.
However in general, I would regard the EU experience of referenda as evidence of democracy in action whereas some “progressives” seem to think the reverse: that the EU is less democratic than it ever was. In one sense that may be true: Now that the EU has expanded to 28 members its institutions must reflect the views of 28 members which necessarily makes it more remote from the views of any one member. But it would be less democratic, not more, if one member where to be increasingly able to determine the path of the EU as a whole. The UK campaigned vociferously for the expansion of the EU membership to include 10 eastern European states, and now it complains that the EU is less responsive to its particular concerns – but that is the logical consequence of the expansion! The EU is not some sort of re-enactment of the British Empire.
There has also been vociferous opposition to all things EU in the media: Martin Fletcher former Times foreign correspondent has this to say:
Appalled as I am at the prospect of my country voting to leave the European Union next week, I am hardly surprised.
For 25 years our press has fed the British public a diet of distorted, mendacious and relentlessly hostile stories about the EU – and the journalist who set the tone was Boris Johnson.
I know this because I was appointed Brussels correspondent of The Times in 1999, a few years after Johnson’s stint there for The Telegraph, and I had to live with the consequences.
Johnson, sacked by The Times in 1988 for fabricating a quote, made his mark in Brussels not through fair and balanced reporting, but through extreme euro-scepticism. He seized every chance to mock or denigrate the EU, filing stories that were undoubtedly colourful but also grotesquely exaggerated or completely untrue.
The Telegraph loved it. So did the Tory Right. Johnson later confessed: “Everything I wrote from Brussels, I found was sort of chucking these rocks over the garden wall and I listened to this amazing crash from the greenhouse next door over in England as everything I wrote from Brussels was having this amazing, explosive effect on the Tory party, and it really gave me this I suppose rather weird sense of power.”
Johnson’s reports also had an amazing, explosive effect on the rest of Fleet Street. They were much more fun than the usual dry and rather complex Brussels fare. News editors on other papers, particularly but not exclusively the tabloids, started pressing their own correspondents to match them. By the time I arrived in Brussels editors only wanted stories about faceless Brussels eurocrats imposing absurd rules on Britain, or scheming Europeans ganging up on us, or British prime ministers fighting plucky rearguard actions against a hostile continent. Much of Fleet Street seemed unable to view the EU through any other prism. It was the only narrative it was interested in.
Stories that did not bash Brussels, stories that acknowledged the EU’s many achievements, stories that recognised that Britain had many natural allies in Europe and often won important arguments, almost invariably ended up on the spike.
Boris Johnson is now campaigning against the cartoon caricature of the EU that he himself created. He is campaigning against a largely fictional EU that bears no relation to reality. That is why he and his fellow Brexiteers could win next week. Johnson may be witty and amusing, just as Donald Rumsfeld was in the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, but he is extremely dangerous. What began as a bit of a jape could inflict terrible damage on this country.
Fight back!!!!!!
So to conclude: Yes there has been widespread disagreement and debate on how the EU should develop, and this debate looks like it will intensify regardless of the outcome of the Brexit referendum. However this is what democracy in action is all about, and given that many EU members have a history of dictatorship, surely that, in itself, is an advance?
Thank you very much for this history!
The Guardian live results. If not for Scotland the early results for “remain” would look much uglier.
It’s looking like a leave victory. Expect uncertainty, fear and confusion to reign for the next few years…
Too soon to call.
It’s really horrible when people are hurting and angry and their only choices are bad and worse.
Sounds familiar, though..
AG
Well, Democrats in this election cycle did have a choice between decent (and potentially very good) and bad (and potentially really, really bad). A majority of Americans that view themselves as democrats apparently prefer bad. (Have yet to be convinced that Trump was worse or even much different from the rest on offer in the GOP primary.) Too soon to tell if HRC is the bad or worse in this election cycle.
I am beginning to think that whomever wins is the “worse.”
AG
Wow — and like Democrats in the US that always blame everyone but themselves and truly relish kicking non-
GOP (in UK that would be non-Tory) opponents:
There is no constitutional provision for an EU wide referendum, and for very good reason: The will of a small country like Ireland could be swamped by the votes of several hundred million voters elsewhere. Instead there is a far more exacting requirement: All 28 member states, individually and severally, have to agree any constitutional change in accordance with their own constitutions.
In some countries, like Ireland, this may require a referendum every time. In others, like the UK, Parliament is sovereign. It is not for the EU to dictate the mechanisms by which the UK will or will not agree to a Treaty change. Thus if there is a democratic deficit, it is within the UK rather in the EU as such. Each country also retains a veto on the Council on matters of vital national interest, Thus neither a simple majority nor a weighted majority is sufficient to agree a change. Unanimity is required, and that is a very high hurdle when there are 28 members and all sorts of incentives to game the system – e.g. a member state won’t agree a change (even one they agree with), unless they get all sorts of concessions on unrelated matters.
If anything, I would argue that the EU is TOO democratic, because the requirement for unanimity amongst 28 members may become so difficult to achieve that the EU becomes paralysed and unable to make any key decisions at all, or at least not in a timely fashion in response to a crisis. Arguably, that is why the EU has not been able to respond coherently and speedily to the refugee crisis.
And what is the problem with the EU Council? Each member is a democratically elected President or Prime Minister. I would much prefer the European Parliament to have far greater powers, but the UK has been in the vanguard of preventing the granting of more powers to the EP. And as far as the ECB is concerned, name me a national central bank with a democratically elected Board of Directors…
As progressives we may not be happy with the direction the EU has been moving in – particularly with regard to Greece. But the bottom line is that that policy direction has been determined by the outcome of national and EP elections which has given the EPP and centre right parties a majority in the Parliament and the Council. There are virtually no socialist parties left in power in national governments in the EU, so why are we surprised? The problem with the EU is not a lack of democracy (especially when compared to prior fascist or communist regimes); the problem is that we have been losing the democratic argument.
The Guardian live results are here.
At the time of writing, 4.30am CET, the leave camp appears to be building up a slight overall lead, with large leads in areas of England outside London, and with central London, Scotland and Northern Ireland voting decisively to remain.
Sterling has just had its largest fall since the 2008 financial crisis, and the bookies have switched their odds from predicting a remain victory to backing a leave victory. The turnout appears to have been quite high, about 70%, and that is with over a million new voters registering to vote since the general election.
Will this result in new referenda in Scotland and Northern Ireland? Is Cameron toast? Let the games begin…
The primary political outcome from this very odd referendum would seem to be that Cameron either remains or leaves. And if the latter, the voters will also have communicated that they are really disgusted with UK politicians, but what they really want is not so different from what all of us in the west want. Jobs, quality public schools with no fees, affordable and decent housing, health care security, and affordable public utilities.
Thank You Midlands, North, Wales and the SouthEast / SouthWest provincial regions!
The Dardanelles was Churchill’s biggest defeat 100 years ago, today David Cameron’s worst nightmare became reality with the British EXIT from Europe.The Pound falls 10%, Ladbrokes goes broke with it’s prediction of Remain, it’s a good day for Europe’s independence from military aggression of team UK and US. NATO will go through a period of uncertainty. Sanctions on Russia were extended for another six months, perhaps it’s wise to undo them for economic stability of the EU in the next round.
Indeed, Tory leader Cameron just made history! Did the Russian oligarchs and the monarchs of the Gulf States too lose 10% of their wealth? I surely hope so. Now Brussels and Juncker can display their statesman- and leadership for the European Union. I do welcome Scottish Independence and it’s request to become EU member on a fast track.
Cameron, we will see you with your bowler hat and attaché case coming into Brussels for two years of EXIT negotiations. The Eurotunnel provides excellent access to “Old Europe” David, you incompetent overrated fool. Margareth Thatcher is turning in her grave.
The title of your diary gives the best explanation why the British voters ruled the waves of discontent.
Oh what a sneaky little worm that Boris Johnson is: just a while ago he said in public ‘there is no rush to invoke Brexit’, that is, Article 40. So now Britain has the EU by the balls. Johnson becomes Prime Minister and shoves the decision to factually leave the EU down the long road. Britain will not be in and not out (despite what some 52 % of the Brexit voters might think!). How will the EU be able to function without placating Britain whose populace has voted in the majority to stick it to the EU? Britain has a vote as long as it is still a member. All this can go one for years on end. Cameron foresaw this and resigned because he could not go on without invoking Resolution 40 and probably didn’t want to be the man to take the fateful decision, which he would have had to do alone. Then it would all be his fault. The game of the Brexit leaders will bite Britain mightily in the ass. The EU may go into gridlock. As time goes on, buyers remorse will create great bitterheid and anger in Britain. I’ve always maintained that Britain will never exit the EU, though I was seriously wrong thinking that the Remain vote would prevail. Sunday Spain goes the polls to try to elect a new government, with the issue basically hinging on the Catalonian independence movement. And then we have a second Scottish independence referendum to look forward to. In hindsight, a lot of Greeks must feel like idiots for being so respectful of and obedient to their European betters.
Not so fast. UK has now moved intouncharted territory. It’s as if the UK had a primary election between an incumbent and challenger and all voters could cast a ballot. The challenger won, the incumbent resigns, and then the party MPs choose the new PM (would be like GOP House members choosing the replacement POTUS).
How is Johnson going to survive a general election when he can’t hide behind a fake BREXIT placard?
This situation can go on for years if the British have their way. The President of the European Parliament, Martin Schulz, said today Britain needs to leave as soon as possible because the E|U has been taken hostage by the players in a Tory in-fight. No one in Britain would want to take responsibility for invoking Article 40 because the consequences can turn out to be terrible. The EU is now in gridlock, completely, disastrously. The British government could care less. An election would only return the Tories to power and Boris Johnson has the chutzpah of Donald Trump, though with British suaveness. See b at the Moon of Alabama on the chances of another referendum or some kind of fudge.
Boris and the Brexit campaign have assured Brits that Brexit is all really rather straightforward and all associated issues can be sorted in good order. He simply couldn’t survive some kind of fudge. In fact the longer this drags on, the more intransigent the EU might well become. The Eu might even take steps to effectively replace the UK with Scotland….
The biggest problem Boris would face is that currently he couldn’t invoke Article 50. It took an Act of Parliament to get into the EU and it’ll take an Act of Parliament to get out. But the Parliament is overwhelming pro-EU. Even the Tory MPs are majority pro-EU. Since most of those same MPs would normally still be there even after an election the only way to Brexit is to hold a new election and get a landslide to eurosceptic MPs, probably needing a lot of europhile Tories to get thumped by UKIP. No Tory leader will call that election.
heh — interesting that London voted to Remain by large margins. So, how does that exactly translate into Johnson being a winner?
Every freaking component of this contradicts another component. Bottom line is the message is clearest among working stiff Labour Leave voters. Just as the message was clearest in the US among working class Sanders voters.
Trump and Johnson exploit the anger among those impacted by the financial class ripoffs in the cheapest forms possible — nationaliism and xenophobia. They get away with that crap because their opponents are weak in various ways and therefore, none can attack the whole of the Johnson/Trump argument and lies. Sanders was better positioned than most, but still his argument isn’t a biting and clean as it needs to go head to head against a Johnson. Perhaps Corbyn can, but not if he doesn’t expose Johnson for who he is.
My understanding is that London is now majority immigrant, hence would not vote for an anti-immigrant policy.
Looks like London isn’t majority British: White, but it’s still 60% white. A high percentage of the non-white population are from Commonwealth countries. Those place around the world that Brits stole from to maintain a high standard of living, particularly for their royal families and elites.
White:other being possibly Eastern European?
Doesn’t matter. Just less invested in the traditional British culture that those outside the city centers may feel is being taken away from them.
Here’s a good article that somewhat speak to that: Thoughts on the sociology of Brexit
Financial Times report link.
Amusing:
Just what I have argued, confirmed in this article … Anglospheric ideals? WTF Obama warned of dire consequences for US-UK trade ahead of EU referendum. Obama doesn’t keep his promises!
○ TTIP: What is the future for UK-US trade?
○ U.S. Review: IMF Pleads for a Social, Progressive Face to Battle Poverty
○ S&P says Britain’s ‘AAA’ credit rating untenable after Brexit vote
Watched a panel discussion on France24 with Tom White, a trade negotiator. His observation, Ireland stands to gain as an English speaking nation to become the Gateway to Europe for the global services industry.
○ For the sake of peace and jobs, the EU we in Ireland most want is one that has the UK in it, too
○ Brexit closes gateway to Europe for Canadian companies
○ Ireland’s prosperity in the EU over the longer term
So, who is this Tom White and does he have any vested interest in his projection or any other part of this mess.
And why with such a high level of English speaking professionals on the continent would they need Ireland as a hub for “global services industry,” and what is that anyway?
For the next few days or weeks the opinionators will be call out of the woodworker to tell everybody what it means and what’s going to happen next week, month, year, decade. Little of it will be of any value and even that of some value will get it mostly wrong.
France24 the Debate: Britain votes out -What next?
Quests are:
Robert TOMBS
Professor at St. John’s College, Cambridge, and author of “The English and Their History,”
Alexander DEANE
Former Chief of Staff to David Cameron
Tom WHITE
Adviser at Global Counsel
Martin EDOBOR
National chair of The Young Fabians Society
○ The UK and the EU: Simulating the agendas for EU reform | CEPS |
Okay — Global Counsel:
and WPP is a corporate communications company representing over 350 companies.
So, this guy is probably objected and unbiased as Cameron’s former chief of staff.
Business prioritizing: looking for opportunities … even in times of turmoil. Throughout history not a poor personal trait. 😉