The British people, actually white working-class English voters, made a truly reckless decision yesterday in voting to have the United Kingdom sever its relations with the European Union. I say “reckless” because they have no idea what kind of consequences the decision will have, for them or for anyone else, and they were absolutely heedless of the warnings they received from a political and economic elite that they no longer trust. Things may turn out for the best, eventually, but it won’t be because this was a well-considered move. It was a giant middle finger and a roll of the dice.
Prime Minister David Cameron announced his resignation in the morning, although he will remain until the fall in order to allow for an orderly transition. Forty-eight percent of Britons agreed with Cameron that the U.K. should remain in the E.U., so as disappointing as the vote was, it still split the nation down the middle.
Northern Ireland wanted to stay and doesn’t want a closed border with Ireland. They may seek to leave the U.K. and create one big unified mutli-denominamional island. Scotland will once again have a referendum on independence, and this time I expect that it will succeed, since most Scots want to remain in the E.U. Only Wales and England voted to leave, and even then it wasn’t the urban multicultural centers that rejected Europe.
For the English “leave” voters pining for the simpler ethnically homogeneous days of the British Empire, they probably just assured that England will be smaller and less imperial than ever.
Former London mayor Boris Johnson is the current favorite in the British press to succeed David Cameron as the leader of the Tories. Many people are comparing him to Trump and they have similarities, although Johnson has been critical of Trump’s anti-Muslim proposals.
Where they sound alike is on the issue of immigration and national sovereignty. Here’s Johnson talking in early June:
U.K. Chancellor George Osborne, who is campaigning alongside Cameron to remain in the EU, has warned of an economic shock and long-term economic costs if the U.K. voted to opt out.
Johnson, however, argued that nobody can possibly say what will what would happen as a result of a so-called Brexit.
“I think that over time the U.K. economy would get a lot of dynamism from the removal of so much of the regulation and the inappropriate law that holds us back.” Johnson told CNBC.
“It’s making it impossible for us to do all sorts of things that you’d expect a country to be able to do, like control our borders, control our tax rates, help our energy companies, all sorts of things.”
Not that there isn’t a case to be made against Brussels and their rule-making, but that’s largely been a smokescreen for a backlash against immigration. What’s most reminiscent of Trump is the way that Johnson is willing to propose radically disruptive policies without much caring about the risks involved.
Once it was clear how the vote had come out, the British Pound collapsed immediately, currency traders started going nuts, and there was a rush on U.S. Treasuries and gold. Foreign stock markets cratered, and the U.S. stock market took a sharp nosedive (as of this writing, the DJIA is down ▼ 470.92 (2.61%). U.S. mortgage rates are a short-term beneficiary, but we’re in uncharted territory.
Untangling Britain’s economic and legal links to the E.U. will be a nightmare, and it must be carried out by the same elites who almost uniformly did not want to go this route.
There’s a lot of speculation that something similar could happen here in America in our presidential election. But giving the American people a few months to witness the shitstorm created by this right-wing tantrum in England probably makes that less likely than ever.
Status quo type folks love to look down on the struggling rabble and declare that anytime the rabble fails to heed the wishes of their “all knowing” betters that they are both stupid and throwing a tantrum.
The choice yesterday for Brits is similar to the choice offered Republicans in the 2016 primary. The only thing that’s been accomplished is that Cameron and the Bushes are now gone. A general election will be called soon enough and even if Johnson is appointed PM, an exit from the EU is far enough down the road that it’s not a done deal.
Uprated for that first paragraph.
The Remain vote was massively majority young, and the Leave vote was massively majority old.
Reminds me of a recent contest here.
In the US Democratic primaries — the status quo was supported by two factions. Those older and wealthier and those POC at the bottom rungs of the financial ladder. The GOP primary had three macro-factions. The status quo voters were wealthier, but also the smallest faction. Then there are the theocrats (Cruz voters) that tend not to mix economics with their politics. Finally, the angry, older, working stiffs, and their anger isn’t new. They’ve been pushing back against neoliberalism since at least 1992 in their opposition to NAFTA.
If only they weren’t so ignorant of economics re fiat currency, debt, minimum wage, government spending, et al. They are starting to wise up on trickle down but still believe that the US economy is a household so should be a net saver, debt is bad, spending should be minimized, and money actually has value other than what you can buy with it (i.e. gold bugs).
How many US household headed by anyone under the age of 50 or even 60 manage their finances like this:
Poll: Two-thirds of US would struggle to cover $1,000 crisis
No savings, plenty of debt, and only minimizing spending when the credit card is tapped out. Thus, if they liken the government spending to their households, they’re good with borrowing and spending.
But that is the goal. The ideal. That is what financial advisers always tell people.
Point being that is what is ideal for a household is NOT ideal for the whole system or its government.
Didn’t they (professors) call that “The Paradox of Thrift?” If everyone saves then the economy grinds to a halt and no one can save.
“If only they weren’t so ignorant.” – There, fixed it for you.
The divide was essentially a divide between the winners and losers of globalisation, with the EU acting as a convenient proxy and bogeyman for the global forces changing Britain.
The only problem is that the EU was the only institution capable of acting as countervailing force to the worst excesses of globalisation. Outside the EU England will be fair game for global asset strippers and players in the global race to the bottom.
Anyone who imagines that natavist romanticists will be able to make Britain a fairer or more prosperous society hasn’t been playing attention.
Should this unwanted pregnancy go full term, what will be interesting is seeing how the EU modifies its tariffs since the UK will then be just another member of the WTO and subject to EU tariffs.
Makes you wonder if the EU giants, France and Germany, aren’t already mulling over how to stick it to the UK in that regard. British businesses must be in a dither right now.
they basically already said they would stick it to the UK for leaving so I would expect the tariffs to go up
Particularly the big financial services companies in the City. Why would the EU give the City privileged access to the Single Market any more when Frankfurt, Dublin et al will be only too delighted to pick up the business?
The UK will try to leverage its role as the EU’s biggest import market in any negotiation. German car manufacturers will also be having canaries…
In the short term, a devaluation of the £ will allow British businesses to survive and even prosper. The resulting inflation will stick it to all the pensioners who voted for Brexit…
Scotland is already calling for another independence vote. Even if the UK changes their mind, Scotland will probably choose to not trust them any longer. They’re out soon. Northern Ireland has been wanting Irish Unity for a while. This is their excuse. London may be able to convince the rest of England and Wales that this is stupid, once they see what it does to their economy, but the damage will already be done. The UK as we know it is finished.
I don’t agree with you – exit is a done deal. The Europeans will demand it.
In any event this is the second time I have read some 11th dimension chess argument that doing something bad will be good.
First we got the asinine extending the Watch List will make people care about it and now we get the asinine this will let people see the effects of right win policy.
Neither argument makes a damn bit of sense to people not seeking some rationalization.
Yeah, but I bet if we all stay home in November instead of voting for CrookedHillary, something something mass social uprising, something something Social Democratic utopia.
Why, Nicholas?
Because, Bob.
Yea – whatever.
The instant gratification of this vote; which reflected a frustration with immigration and the refugee crisis is certainly just the tip of the iceberg of events that will now unfold.
In a time when alliances will be necessary not just for economic reasons but for impending climate change disasters where govts will have to work together, this is a particularly solemn event.
Are you sure about this? I’m definitely not
Think of it as Texas voting to secede from the Union. What impact would that have on Federal and world politics?
Could we stop worrying about Ted Cruz getting elected President?
Given Texas’s recent frequent statements about secession, the effect would be to decommission their military bases remove all federal moveable property, and say a hearty “Ta Ta”. And let them figure out that asking for UN membership might finally be to their advantage.
Which might cause the Texas governor to do his best Kim Jung Un act.
Make sure to take the nukes. And then give them their share of the national debt as a parting gift.
Think of Brexit as the British longing to be free of economic entanglements that have and continue to hurt the bottom half of the population.
That is, think of Brexit as equivalent to Americans’ opposition to GATT, NAFTA and all the other trade agreements written by the wealthy for the benefit of the wealthy in our country. Just as many Americans know that these trade agreements haven’t made their lives better but worse, the people of Britain know the EU has further divided the rich from the poor.
Another parallel to note is that the intellectual class in London is the core of support for the EU in Britain much like the intellectual class of workers in the US are all onboard for Clintonian neoliberalism. They live with the presumption that they are privileged because of their superior knowledge. They are much like the scribe class in ancient Egypt. As long as you follow the religion of their leaders and did their job they could ignore the depredations suffered by the work crews on the pyramids.
If you don’t follow this then pick up LISTEN, LIBERAL by Thomas Frank. In my limited experience the scribe class here in the US thinks things are pretty good and tend to avoid Thomas Frank like the plague.
Trump baffles with bizarre appearance in Scotland
06/24/16 08:45 AM–UPDATED 06/24/16 10:20 AM
By Steve Benen
Earlier this month, Donald Trump was asked about the upcoming vote in the U.K. about leaving the European Union. The reporter asked, “And Brexit? Your position?” Trump replied, “Huh?”
“Brexit,” the reporter repeated. “Hmm,” Trump responded, apparently unfamiliar with the term.
With this exchange in mind, consider what the presumptive Republican presidential nominee said on Twitter this morning:
“Just arrived in Scotland. Place is going wild over the vote. They took their country back, just like we will take America back. No games!”
What Trump may not realize, or really even be able to fully understand, is that Scotland is “going wild” because Scottish voters overwhelmingly voted against leaving the E.U. Locally, people aren’t celebrating – because they see this as a disaster.
Trump proceeded to hold a press conference in Scotland, against the backdrop of one of the most important political moments in the modern history of the United Kingdom, where he spoke at great length, and in great detail, about his new golf resort. The Republican candidate boasted about refurbished holes on his course, plumbing, putting greens, and zoning considerations.
And neighbouring landowners hoisted Mexican flags within sight of his course…
That was at Trump’s golf course in Aberdeenshire which he also visited with his family.
On the west coast, Trump is welcomed by the locals of South Ayrshire. These Scots are quite happy with the Trump investment and providing jobs in need.
This. Republican Trump appears to be clueless about Brexit, but hey! he got all the USA Christofascist “clergy” to back him – getting dispensation from Franklin Graham because eh? infedelity happens, as Graham knows personally, and anyway IOKIYAR.
So Republican Trump flies off for his highland fling to hawk his “Scottish” golf links in order to make money for himself. Republican Trump supporters go: Brexit? Who gives a sh*t! Republican Trump’s gonna build us a big bad wall.
Apparently, a lot of voters in the UK were not all that well informed about what their vote signified.
Who did Cameron scapegoat as responsible for his govt’s choice of austerity and destruction of NHS? Migrants. Well, he convinced his voters and got bit in the ass for it.
In recent polls, that was THE issue for Brexits–the NHS.
From TPM interesting age breakdown
HOW AGES VOTED
(YouGov poll)
18-24: 75% Remain
25-49: 56% Remain
50-64: 44% Remain
65+: 39% Remain#EUref
5:24 PM – 23 Jun 2016
If you look at a map of the vote you see Scotland, N Ireland and London voted to remain and the rest to leave. So rural England voted leave. Why was that?
Hmm, that breakdown is consistent with NHS as an issue, no?
Watched CNBC this am. They were unable to note/admit our banks will weather all this turmoil in the markets because of Dodd/Frank. Obama has saved us from another recession like one Bush left him.
I, too, watched CNBC this morning and note that in the earlier hours they had a couple of panelists on who were very much to the right. Especially, Mr. Doom and Gloom himself, Jim Grant, whom they seem to trot onstage at times of crises like this.
But you are correct in noting that they didn’t credit Dodd Frank for its role in preventing a banking crisis, but later interviews, especially British and European ones, did point out that while the Brexit vote was a shock to the economic system,they didn’t believe there would be a banking crisis in Britain or Europe thanks to the reforms made after 2008.
My sense is that the task of unifying the nations of Europe was a huge vision and a triumph of the sort of globalist thinking that came out of WWII and particularly the collapse of the Soviet Union. NAFTA was one sort of triumph, the EU another.
As hard as NAFTA has been for us, the EU was a much larger shock for the UK. The same thing would be happening here if we lost control of our immigration policy to the extent the UK had. I can understand why older folks felt like their world was slipping away. They weren’t reaping the benefits so why should they feel like they had a stake in it?
I see a similar phenomenon in Vancouver, British Columbia, just an hour up the road from my home in northwestern Washington. In the mid-1980s, Vancouver was a quaint little city with cool old homes and neighborhoods. Now it’s a hodgepodge of glass skyscrapers, way more dynamic but with way less charm. On a day to day basis, people are left fighting traffic that never existed before. Some have gotten wealthy off the enormous run up in property values but others have been priced out forever.
I love going up there and enjoying the ethnic diversity and then driving home across the border to my home in the woods. I don’t know that I’d be happy if Vancouver had been my home and I’m liberal, progressive and open minded.
European unification was too large a shock for Britain, too much too fast. I think if it had been slowed down just a bit, this would not have happened. The old needed time to die off as the young adjusted and adapted.
hasn’t Europe been unifying since the 60s, and the EU was in the 90s?
Maybe I’m missing your point because that seems fairly gradual to me.
Twenty years is enough time to decide you don’t like the way things are going. I lived in England myself late 70s-early 80s. Going back for a visit 2 years ago I decided I didn’t much like it myself, though there’s definitely a lot of shiny new stuff.
Interestingly, I find England much more palatable than I did twenty years ago, but a large part of that has to do with the context in which I visited.
Well, me too, actually. I found the countryside just lovely. It’s mostly London I was talking about. And little things like finding Papa John’s and other chains in a small town in Hertfordshire. My host, who is such a Euro-fanatic that he made a pilgrimage to Brussels PRIMARILY to see the HQ of the EU, thought it was wonderful to have a Papa John’s in town. Probably not because of the pizza, but because it brought a little globalization to town.
Yep, it was indeed really gradual, and the biggest part of the more recent change was the adoption of the Euro, which the UK isn’t a part of (that’s the part that’s particularly broken, so it’s odd that the UK, who’s not a party to it, would throw a tantrum). Anyway, the post here seems to be more a primal scream against modernity and globalization rather than suggesting that the EU actually itself caused abrupt change in the UK.
A primal scream against modernity? Perhaps. Having traveled the world extensively in the 90s, I do have sadness around the ways in which the individual cultures have given way to a homogeneity. It’s not by any means complete but those countries most in need of change were also most vulnerable to colonization. I think of Polish milk bars, which were delightful little establishments, all but gone now — replaced by Pizza Hut and Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Apparently not gradual enough, Jim, though the relatively close vote seems to indicate the planners weren’t far off.
Dont forget the Chinese summwr homes in Vancouver. Thats a big part of the property problem. Basically economic elite colonizing the rest of us.
True. And globalization opened the door.
Even as a teenager watching the battle in Seattle on tv I felt sympathetic to the protestor goals if not their methods.
German intellectuals have been contemplating taking over the Eurasian continental body for hundreds of years.
(Look how Orwell divided up the world in 1984 for comparison.)
Cold War 2.0 has been the American/NATO-led “Lebensraum” of the 21st Century. Britain, with the exception of its role in banking, is a shell of its former wealth because of the loss of its empire. When you have several dozen different countries with different goals, everyone can’t be a leader. If the EU were actually more socialized and less divisive between classes the average person would be glad to be in it. You may not have read a word about it, but anti-labor laws in France have caused weeks of mass riots there. Tell a Frenchman that the EU is helping him.
The EU has been blamed for lots in Britain. Not everything is caused by the EU, but the politicians who brought the EU to Britain have their fingerprints all over the failure of the system in Britain.
And Marshal Zhukov is dead, too. Damn.
The defense of staying in the EU uses a lot of the propaganda memes that are used against Trump’s supporters. Isolationism, racism et al.
The fact is that, like in the US, the bottom half (actually, as a percentage, many more) is getting screwed by neoliberalism in Britain.
When presented with the constant of being screwed by your government you seek a change. You either address the adverse economics or you offer magical solutions.
In fact, many low-paying British jobs have been taken over by immigrants, leaving many without any jobs at all. You can blame the situation on racism or you can blame it on the market; or, you can blame it on the economic circumstances that the neoliberals steering the ship have created.
Neoliberalism will lead to fascism. That’s why H. Clinton’s candidacy is in the long-term bad for the US. The Democratic Party has been hollowed out by big money. The decisions at the top will be for the benefit of the money that was behind this election. Wars will continue to be fought for the corporations that make money OVER THERE. Meanwhile, the average worker will slowly starve. More people will be homeless.
I’m not sure how this will all sort out in Britain, but what is clear is that if you are a German or British banker, the EU has worked out well. If you are blue-collar and in Greece you’ve been mercilessly screwed. Would anyone be concerned if Greece said, “The EU banking schemes have bankrupted us and we’re getting out”? The same schemes are screwing the working people across the continent.
One person who is angry has a tantrum. When 52% of a country vote for something, it’s a little more than a tantrum. It’s possible that this will force the EU to allow more of the wealth to flow to the underclasses and thus cut off anti-EU movements in France, Italy, Spain et al. That would be a positive for Brexit. Or the bankers can double down, which will lead to more instability and more eventual war.
What you just said.
Thank you. I’ve been exiled from many “liberal” spots on the web for saying as much. I was feeling a little lonely.
Kagan fundraiser for HRC. It’ll be our wars too most likely.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/robert-kagan-clinton-fundraiser
Yes, it’s super terrible that Clinton is establishing an unusually broad base of supporters. She should seek to narrow her appeal.
For God’s sake, FIGHT and organize today and in the future to help pressure effectively for the best policies. “Waah, Hillary will listen to Kagan, nothing I can do!” is WEAK. Please get in the game, and stay in it. We need the help.
I’m in the game. I’ve invited Hillary to speak to our block party. Most of the money goes for the beer and the band, but she’ll get a plate of food and free beer. Then we’ll have a drawing to figure out where the next war will be.
I hope that’s enough pressure on Hillz to protect social security.
Keep pouring out the poison. Meanwhile, the real world moves forward:
https:/www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/social-security-and-medicare
“Social Security isn’t just a program–it’s a promise. As president, Hillary will:
Defend Social Security against Republican attacks. Republicans are using scare tactics about the future and effectiveness of Social Security to push through policies that would jeopardize it. The real threat is Republican attempts to undermine the bedrock of the system. Hillary believes that Social Security must remain what it has always been: a rock-solid benefit that seniors can always count on–not subject to the budget whims of Congress or to the fluctuations of the stock market. She fought Republican efforts to undermine Social Security when she was a senator and throughout her career, and she will fight them as president. As president, she would:
Expand Social Security for those who need it most and who are treated unfairly by the current system–including women who are widows and those who took significant time out of the paid workforce to take care of their children, aging parents, or ailing family members. Social Security works well, but it should work better. Hillary will fight to expand Social Security for those who need it most and who are treated unfairly today. For instance:
Preserve Social Security for decades to come by asking the wealthiest to contribute more. Social Security must continue to guarantee dignity in retirement for future generations. Hillary understands that there is no way to accomplish that goal without asking the highest-income Americans to pay more, including options to tax some of their income above the current Social Security cap, and taxing some of their income not currently taken into account by the Social Security system.”
The problem is that the UK elite have led the charge for neo-liberalism within the EU. The EU has a much greater chance of reverting to a social market without the UK financial elites malign influence.
I really hope you are right about that. That’s about the only positive I can see coming out of this. Although, from here it looks as if Angela’s Germany is all too willing to take their place.
Not as long as Merkel is around.
Wonder what Wolfgang Schäuble will come up with.
He seems to like anal sex, if you get my drift. There are reports of .. well .. I hope you get my drift. He really wants the EU to bust up.
I don’t know UK demographics any better than you do, but I’ll comment on Trump, since that’s where you’re aiming. Trump supporters, and republicans generally, have been doing a whole lot better for themselves in the modern economy than most other people have been doing.
They will double down. The truly greedy always do.
Thank you for mentioning Greece.
From ekathimerini.com: Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras on Friday said that the result of Thursday’s British referendum on continued European Union membership came as no surprise given the “extreme policies of austerity that have deepened inequalities between the countries of the North and South and within EU states themselves.”
More Tsipras: “The outcome of the referendum should act as a wake-up call for the sleepwalker who is heading for the abyss. The arrogant words of technocrats angered people. We need progressive reforms to raise a wall against Europ-scepticism.”
Hmm, the right and left both denouncing the establishment, one focusing on “migrants” and one focusing on inequality…I feel like I’ve just seen this show.
And you’ll see more!
A bit less fearmongering …. pullease!
Did you mention the stocks had made significant gains in recent days in anticipation of a clear Remain mandate in the poll numbers?
Especially after the Jo Cox murder, the poll numbers changed from +7 for Leave to -2! Even Ladbroke on the day of the EU referendum had 85% certainty the establishment would win. Place your bets please …
Soros warned of a Brexit and 20% dive of US stocks.
Soros Foundation supporting regime change by any means in former Soviet satellite nations and he has been messing around with USAID in the Ukraine and recently in Syria. White Helmets my ass … a propaganda stunt with very cruel and inhumane consequences. Even Jo Cox fell for it and in her name people can give to the “charity” of the rescuers in Syria.
The Brexit? Putin did it … blame it on Russia.
See my diary – BREXIT! Britain Defeated … Again! .
No no no. It was a tantrum by whites. That’s the correct answer!
Just reviewed my own portfolio. AT&T actually made a new high today and Wal-Mart continues upward. Those were the biggest gainers. Biggest loser? EFAV, low volatility European ETF. Down 5.77%. We will see Monday if it’s time to buy more or continue to wait. Their three biggest stocks are Swiss (3rd is Nestle). Notable UK hiolding is National Grid PLC. People still need electricity, no?
A surprising Gainer, mutual fund, FNMIX, New Markets Income (emerging markets bonds). I would have thought they would have dropped. Maybe banks are dumping gilts for Oil Country bonds? Maybe the Colombian bonds are up in anticipation of oil price hikes. Will BP have to pump more as the pound slides?
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The United States is not the United Kingdom.
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I don’t think it changes the odds for a Trump victory. He is too much of a clown to have enough broad appeal. But someone smarter and a better actor will come down the pike.
More socialism or more fascism. The people’s choice.
It’s not just a right-wing tantrum. Quite a few Labour Party supporting areas seem to have voted Leave.
There’s a bit of an aversion to the neoliberal label but it helps simplify things. Rejection of the EU and rejection of the elites all have to do with dissatisfaction with neoliberalism and the impact of austerity.
There are some worrying trends in American politics as white working class voters are easily exploited by right wing populism. This is what’s hurting the Democratic party at the local level and outside of urban areas. It’s not enough to promote a $15 wage. Jobs matter. Trade agreements matter. Immigration matters.
There was always going to be a backlash. Time will tell if the Democratic party’s new coalition is strong enough to hold off the tide.
“There’s a bit of an aversion to the neoliberal label”
Has there been, really? I’ve seen it thrown around these parts liberally, so to speak.
I’ll give you that. I’m referring to the defensive tone from writers like Jonathan Chait regarding its use. I’m not sure if Booman has taken exception. There’s no better term, unfortunately.
Uh — neoliberalism is bi-partisan. In a nutshell, it’s stealing from the commons for the benefit of the elites and wealthy. The commons in the US were built slowly from colonial days. A large leap was taken during the Progressive Era and a giant leap was taken with the New Deal through the late 1960s. Since then it’s been all about ways to get the loot back from those that had earned it with their hard work, sacrifices, frugality, and savings.
Yes, neoliberalism is indeed bi-partisan. That’s why I took issue with Booman’s take that this was a right-wing tantrum.
Okay. Your comment was confusing and seemed to indicate that the Democratic party isn’t aligned with neoliberalism.
I think the absence of blaming neoliberalism on any party in particular should have cleared up your confusion. Also, I’m not here making arguments on the need for reform in the Republican party. Lost cause.
Bernie sanders had answers for those, but then he’s not a “Real Democrat(TM)”.
Britain out of the EU means Britain needs us more than ever. It also removes the most powerful market-as-god voice in the EU and ends that special snowflake treatment they got. EU has a better chance of either folding or evolving because of this.
Besides why would they trust a political and economic elite who ram austerity down their throats?
I would point out that a number urban English centers, at least the Nritish media called them ‘cities’ voted leave. Perhaps they werent multicultural?
Or older and poorer.
Most of the northern English cities have been de-industrialised and marginalised from UK politics. The City of London was the big winner from globalisation. The rest of the country, not so much…
Reflected quite well in the vote.
Like Detroit, yes?
Here’s an article that seems to parallel my thinking:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/06/24/why-the-uk-said-bye-bye-to-the-eu/
You write:
And:
Gotta hand it to you, Booman. You hew to the Dem line no matter what goes down.
Check out these two charts:
U.S. ethnic population percentages:
U.K. ethnic population percentages:
I repeat your first and last statements above:
Now…you linked the word “white” to a WAPO article the actual title of which is “The Daily 202: Stop underestimating Trump. `Brexit’ vote shows why he can win,” an article that uses the word “white” in terms of ethnicity only once and the words “working class” not at all. I really do not understand why you linked to that article, because its conclusion…an unexpected breath of fresh air from the heretofore “Trump Can’t Win” mass media…says exactly the opposite. I quote: “He Can Win.”
And then you say that “…giving the American people a few months to witness the shitstorm created by this right-wing tantrum in England probably makes that less likely than ever!!!???”
Did someone from the HRC camp actually write that phrase (or something like it) for you, or are you so attuned to/in the thrall of DemRat politics in general that you magically pre-echo the undoubted tone of what the HRC camp will say once it follows its grinding bureaucratic process to an (inevitable day late and dollar short) decision regarding how to handle this massive loss?
Please!!!
You, the DemRat power structure and particularly Hillary Rodham Clinton had best start paying attention to “beating” Donald Trump, not standing around all entitled-like waiting for some magical act to save us from his depredations.
WTFU.
There is a massive rightward movement afoot in the predominantly “white” nations of the world right now, a movement that is to be expected if not excused due to the total failure of globalism/neo-liberalism/multinationalism/call it what you will to adequately maintain the cultures and societies in which it has been operating as a governing force for about 30 years if not longer. You’d best get on the good foot side of that movement somehow…beginning by admitting that neo-liberal failure and then trying to moderate the resultant rightward movement if at all possible with some sort of pan-racial coalition…or history is going to steamroller you into powerlessness.
Wake the fuck up already!!! Every day HRC stands there in her rictus smile political pose and considers some nonentities like Tim Kaine or Julien Castro as people who might help her is another day Trump that takes another giant step.
Like today. From NPR, of all places!!! HRC Central!!!
They can’t even criticize him without giving him great publicity.
Lord A’mighty!!! That’s from an opponent!!!
WTFU.
AG
P.S. Pay attention to the telling “Data note” on the U.S. chart:
That means that…given a choice between the two… they primarily think of themselves as ‘White” rather than “Black,” a fact to which I can personally attest after having lived deeply inside of the Hispanic subculture of NYC for nearly 50 years. So…of what exactly does this mythical “white working-class” consist this country? The historic “middle class” is now a “working class” in terms of economic security…mostly due to the neo-liberal sell-off of U.S. industry in favor of higher short-term profits for the ruling .01%…and who exactly is or isn’t “white?” Do you think that HRC can out-right wing Trump somehow? Fuggedaboudit!!! Her only remaining chance is to take a step to her left, make Elizabeth Warren her hired gun/VP and go all pro-worker/anti-Wall Street on him.
Can she do it?
Will she do it?
Stay tuned.
But…play it safe. If you don’t yet own a red tie, go out and buy one.
If she fucks up, you’re gonna need it.
I think she will, with all her fingers crossed behind her back, of course. But looking at some of her lame-brained stunts of which mixing private and classified e-mail on an insecure server is just the latest, maybe she isn’t smart enough to fool the young.
I have an old red power tie in the dresser drawer, AG. And if need be, I can buy a black shirt too. My paternal grandfather only had a 5th grade education but he outfoxed a lot of smarter people. Actually, playing the dumb organ-grinder was a good tool. Ah! We try to climb out of the gutter, but Baby, Tramps like us, we were born to run.
The European Union has been associated with the disastrous management of the Eurozone that Britain refused to join. The folks who pushed that decision now are looking prescient, considering how the European Central Bank and the troika continue to violate Greece’s sovereignty. If anything made national sovereignty a salient issue it was the fates of Greece, Spain, and Portugal. The failure to respond to the global financial meltdown as the result of US bank’s mortgage fraud a decade ago is a background issue to all of the E.U.’s political troubles of the moment.
The “Leave” vote was primarily from all the areas that have been savaged by the policies of the Thatcher/Blair/Cameron government (the Labor interregnum was essentially a Blair government). just as the flyover counties of the US are the ones savaged by the Reagan/Clinton/Obama governments.
Perversely, Scotland and Northern Ireland seek independence precisely to get out of the Cameron economic policies. They want to join the European Union to break from English imperialism. Their Remain votes are to Leave a crazy UK.
There is no similar separatist situation with regard to the Trump Presidency.
The tantrum is over the fact that neither party has dealt seriously with the economic problems of the areas that voted to Leave. And the Labor party response is to try to remove Jeremy Corbyn as party leader and restore Blairism.
When Van Jones is hollering for Democrats to “Wake the Fuck UP” about Trump because of the outcome of this vote. Saying these folks had a tantrum doesn’t do anything to change the life situations of the people who voted for racism to scapegoat people who are not causing their economic pain.
And we in the US are heading in the same crazy direction by tolerating misleadership in the Democratic Party.
George Bush: great president? Or greatest president?
Are you a member of the Clinton Truth Ministry? Both Bushes are on the same side as the neoliberals who finance Clinton. Just like the Bushes created wars to advance corporate energy national takeovers, the Clintons have done the same.
What separates the rich and the poor, Joel? Money.
Reagan/Clinton/Bush/Obama
So much want to forget that W especially was ever President, but the trend was continual over five Presidencies and 36 years.
An undifferentiated trend of continuous policies during the last five Presidencies?
Come ON. You know better. I know you do. Why do you wish to mislead people in this way?
This is becoming hostile now.
Well, they’re like Trump in at least one way:
“WATCH: @Nigel_Farage tells @susannareid100 it was a ‘mistake’ for Leave to claim there’d be £350M a week for NHS”
Racists can dismiss whole groups of people without much thought.
Likewise, tagging someone as a racist relieves someone of heavy lifting if your target requires more thought.
Tagging 52% of the Brits as nothing more than racists is lazy thinking.
PHUCK.OUTTA.HERE.
UK Independence Party Leader Admits His Bold Brexit Claim Was a “Mistake”
Nigel Farage backs away from the Leave campaign’s signature pledge to spend £350 million of European Union money on the National Health Service.
INAE OHJUN. 24, 2016 9:29 AM
As Britain awoke on Friday to the news that it had voted in favor of withdrawing from the European Union, voters were introduced to their new reality with a stunning admission from Nigel Farage, the pro-Brexit advocate who leads the U.K. Independence Party. Farage said that the Vote Leave campaign’s signature pledge–that leaving the European Union would allow for £350 million to be spent on the U.K.’s National Health Service–was a “mistake.”
Farage’s mea culpa was made during an appearance on Good Morning Britain, where he was asked if he could continue supporting that promise after the campaign to extract the United Kingdom from the European Union had succeeded.
“No I can’t, and I would have never made that claim,” Farage said. “It was one of the mistakes I think the ‘leave’ campaign made”
to write off with an “oops” after the fact!
Kinda suggests some dishonesty was involved upfront, no?
Ya think?
Financial Times:
And how lovely that 2015 election was for the Tories. The LibDems decimated and Labour further hobbled as SNP gained.
These confused regretful Brexit voters are a frightening omen for the US Presidential race
“…he didn’t think his vote would ultimately matter.”
Couldn’t possibly be selective reporting brought to us by the same folks that warned of the dire consequences of Brexit?
Short analysis:
Please someone tell me, how does one get folks inclined to distrust anyone NOT LIKE THEM to change their feelings about where the country is…we aren’t in a “brutal” recession like folks still seem to believe, right? and the numbers and fact show things getting better than they were.
Yet facts don’t always matter when feelings are involved. So other than just LYING to those people and telling them what they WANT to hear, even if you know it won’t happen or fix anything (see da Donald), someone tell me.
I’m reminded of the time I got my car tag and the guy there went on this rant about Obama increasing the deficit all on his own…prior to 2012, would facts change his feelings? HELL NAW.
So you ok, you pander to them too, and they still vote against you…but now you’ve alienated your dedicated, core voter…so tell me truly, WHAT DOES ONE DO?
The Norway option is not viable for Britain after Brexit, so the negotiations will follow the procedure of a “Third Nation.” UK’s Cameron is not invited for an urgent meeting of minds by EU leaders this week …
And No, there will be no Nexit of The Netherlands as news media have been speculating all day. Geert Wilders can posture as much as he can, but The Netherlands has only an advisory referendum. The Dutch constitution does not recognize a referendum on any trade deal. More important, a very major portion of its GDP is from export within the EU and the Dutch have a strong trade relationship with Germany.
○ Why the Dutch won’t rush to Nexit and follow Britain out of the EU
From my diary – BREXIT! Britain Defeated … Again!.
All I know is that I see right-wing assholes smiling all over the place because of this event, and that’s enough for me to believe it’s shitty.
I’m not sure that anyone commenting here is actually smiling about the results of the UK referendum, but my word, there’s no lack of Schadenfreude here, as well as sneering at the opponents of leaving the EU, who seem to be uniformly described by the dreaded “neoliberal” label.
Forty-eight percent of UK voters opposed leaving the EU. They’re not all City of London bond traders and bankers fer chrissakes. There was also a strong “remain” vote in many cities with large universities, for example. (I lived for a time in one of these–Bristol.)
Another interesting irony about the sneering remarks made here has to do with the demographics of “remain” voters compared to demographics of “leave” voters. Young voters strongly favored the UK remaining within the EU. Old voters strongly favored leaving the EU. So the sneers by commenters here are implicitly being aimed at young British voters. That’s sure an interesting contrast with the way many of these same commenters have been throughout the US presidential campaign sneering at older voters and championing young voters who are supposedly being fucked over by selfish oldsters.
I guess the answer to this conundrum must be that in the US, it’s older voters who are neoliberal scumbags, but in the UK, it’s the younger voters who are.
” A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines.”
Ralph Waldo Emerson
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The main consistency I notice is the use of “neoliberal” as an epithet for the unfavored, sneered-at demographic of the day. The sneering is primary and evidently serves as catharsis for some people; the neoliberal epithet is tacked on to give the appearance of deep analysis.
Quick tip:
If one commenter is calling another commenter on this site a “neoliberal”, just replace that with “dummy head” and it will be just as meaningful.
I prefer “poopyhead”, but that works too.
Nicholas, you can’t announce that neoliberal has been drained of its meaning and degrade its meaning to nothing.
Neoliberal has a meaning. Have you read Thomas Frank’s LISTEN, LIBERAL? If you read it you’ll actually have a better understanding of what neoliberal means. Then you won’t dismiss the concept. Or you’ll dismiss the concept because you don’t want your candidate to be associated with endless war, the continuing economic destruction of the bottom half of the people, et al, but at least not because you don’t understand it.
Didn’t mean to imply that anyone here actually enjoyed it; was thinking more of the obvious golems like Nigel or Boris or Trump or everyone at Fox or Twitter users with Eagles/flags/constitutions as their avatars. There’s enough humorlessness going around already without pinning it on any one group of commenters.
Hey, you go with the narrative you have, not the narrative you wish you had.
You mean the narrative that half of Britain are white racists and dumb?
Well, I don’t know about that. I do know about this:
https://twitter.com/JoshuaHol/status/746384767080402948?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Joshua Holland
@JoshuaHol
Those who think capitalism is a “force for ill” voted leave 51-49. Those who think multiculturalism is a “force for ill” voted leave 81-19.
9:49 AM – 24 Jun 2016
Xenophobia played a meaningful role in the vote result.
Read the link to the Jonathan Marshall article below.
Simple answers for complex questions, like, “They voted against it because they’re racists”, doesn’t illuminate the actual problem or the path to a solution.
The Brits complain about all the Poles taking their jobs. The Poles are complaining about the Ukrainians. The Germans are complaining about the Syrians. Everyone complains about the Africans washing up on their beaches.
I agree with you. Nationalism and tribalism are frequently employed to provide explanatory power for circumstances which have much more complex causes. Those simplistic frames are also used to sometimes explain election results too easily.
None of this does away with the fact that xenophobia was one of the factors which led to this week’s election outcome. You saw the numbers shared by Josh Holland; they are stark.
There was also the turnout problems with youth. Older people much more likely to feel disapproval for cultural changes turned out in greater numbers than younger Brits who are more comfortable with multiculturalism.
Jonathan Marshall on Brexit.
https:/consortiumnews.com/2016/06/25/european-unions-imperial-overreach
Thanks for sharing. I agree with almost all of it. I have just one quarrel with the claims made by Marshall here.
There is no reason that lower-skilled Europeans must drag down compensation for natives in the countries they migrate to. Allowing workers to have access to collective bargaining and other labor law protections could allow immigrant workers to gain compensation which allows them to support the economy and public budgets more substantially, and would allow these workers to have work safety conditions which would keep them healthier, happier, more productive, and more integrated with the societies of their new residence.
This misguided analysis is reproduced frequently in the U.S. as well. We hear many people say that replacing manufacturing jobs with service jobs caused losses in median wage for working people. There is an odd presumption in this view, a presumption that a housekeeper or a barista or a fry cook deserves to make less than assembly line workers. This is absurd, but many people who should know better have internalized it. Marshall appears to have internalized this presumption in his piece.
We need service workers; they’re extremely important. We should install better laws and policies which help them get better pay, benefits and conditions.
The British Pound dropped from 1.50 to 1.37. WAAHHHHHH. Horror. End of civilization.
There was a horrible crash in the market. It went from 17600 to 17300. Terror. The end of all civilizatino.
Brexit was a very good thing, and should be followed by the end of the EU. A very bad experiment.
And the immigration issue is real. The British people were promised that there would NOT be an immediate flood of low-wage Eastern Europeans. But that is what happened. It’s been lies from Day 1.
I’m glad Brexit passed. The big con of the benefits of unlimited low-wage low-skill immigration is becoming clear.