I agree with Markos that the national political press corp is increasingly lacking in relevancy to the outcome of presidential elections. I agree that they’re whining about Hillary Clinton’s press availability by ignoring that she’s talked to the press, on average, more than once a day every day for the entire year. It’s just that she’s doing a lot more talking to local press and non-establishment media outlets like Refinery29.com and black radio. I also agree that when the national press does get an opportunity to ask Clinton questions, they too often ask about stuff that the Republicans have primed them to ask that has little relevancy to the folks in old steel towns in Western Pennsylvania or the people living in the crumbling infrastructure of cities like Detroit. There’s too much “gotcha” journalism and too much focus on fundraising, endorsements, polls, and other horse race metrics.
Having said all that, I don’t agree with Markos’s basic approach to the national media, which isn’t to educate or shame them, or even to show them by example how to do the job right. Instead it’s “They. Don’t. Matter. Freeze them out.”
Maybe it’s a personal bias since I’ve been in the blogging and media criticism game for eleven years now, but I think the national media is miles better than they were in the old days leading up to the invasion of Iraq. And I think bloggers deserve most of the credit because we offered competition and our barbs and commentary actually stung and led complacent people to work harder to get things right. We’ve used various techniques, from critical analysis, to moral shaming, to outright mockery and satire, to going out and asking the questions and conducting the interviews ourselves.
My point is that everyone benefited because there were more media, more accountability, less lazy stenographic reporting, and the government could no longer lead us so easily around in any direction they felt they needed us to go.
Of course, economically? That’s a different story. Blogging is still a labor of love rather than a career (with rare exceptions) and digitization has killed or is threatening to kill off all manner of creative endeavor, including the traditional print reporter.
On the whole though, things have gotten better because of outside media criticism. Yet, the need for good print journalists never went away and probably will never go away. What we need is a better press, not for them to be ignored or frozen out.
As advice for Clinton, it’s dubious but defensible. But, in the larger picture, it shouldn’t be a war of bloggers on mainstream corporate journalists. It should be more of a synergistic dance, a kind of mutual feedback loop, where the the sum becomes greater than the parts.
Certainly the pushback on things like bothsiderism is very quick these days. Reporters that get a story wrong are instantly corrected, and their publications issues corrections.
Just two recent incidents, the mainstream media attempt to make Weiner a political issue, and several publications purposely using inflammatory headlines on the recent Judicial Watch emails, when their actual stories were nothing.
I’m no Twitter fan, but Twitter pushback works, no denying that. So using shame works, because that is what Twitter is doing, shaming them.
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It’s not about pushback.
The press really is broken and they have been for many years. It’s not because of ‘bad journalism’, though they do practice bad journalism. It is because the news went from being a quasi-public service to an entertainment product that has been forced to deliver eyeballs or be terminated.
The reason they don’t challenge things is that they don’t want to offend anyone. That might lead to someone taking offense and then watching some other program. So some idiot lies big time on TV and they let it go because that someone has a following and they simply are afraid to offend anyone. The reason it always ends with “well that’s a controversy and we’ll have to leave it there” is because the overriding issue is that they want the audience to come back tomorrow. Right and wrong are not in play. It’s just a total farce.
Except: They will attack people who are weak or are perceived as weak. They are reading the polls and their coverage is proportionate to the status of the individual or subject at hand. It’s tempting to blame the Chuck Todds of the world for all of this, but you should assume that these directions come from above the ‘presenters’. Sure they are all spineless, but they’d get fired if they tried to break this down.
Fox bucks this a little bit, but it seems that the older conservative audience they serve it a separate thing unto itself. The rest of the media suffer as they try to maintain ‘balance’.
I don’t blame Hillary for blowing them off. She’d do better facing Fox News, at least the bias is clear and no one would be confused about the nature of the combatants.
Honestly, it looks to me like Markos is still pissed that they won’t let him in. Disruption for disruption’s sake has always been bullshit, but flimsy buzzword-concepts like that are catnip for the entrepreneurial/startup crowd and he’s in that sphere of gravity whether he knows it or not.
And HRC could put all this press conference whining to an end if she does one; when the national media behaves the way she thinks they will, she can flog them for not asking her about substance. She’s going to be doing WH press conferences theoretically if she wins anyway, right?
Kos basically cares about making money and republicans being assholes. Thats it. So yeah, basically he cares about not getting the insuder cash. Especially since it WAS starting to trend tgat way around 2005-6 then ended.
I’m not sure he didn’t tap into the insider money during the 2016 primary, but no reason to pay for the milk once the cow is penned in.
Could say the same about Thomas Frank and Robert Reich. Got books to sell and need a new audience.
Honestly, it looks to me like Markos is still pissed that they won’t let him in.
What do you mean they won’t let him in? TGOS isn’t his only poker in the fire, so to speak. You do know he has a stake in Vox, right? Yes, the Ezra and Iggy show.
And sometimes Vox even commits real journalism. Don’t expect that will last for long.
That’s pretty rare.
This is interesting, for example.
Was mostly referencing JoeScar blocking him from MSNBC
You have just identified one of the main reasons I stopped blogging: “a labor of love rather than a career”.
The other, of course, is that I didn’t feel I was adding any particular insight into anything that others couldn’t do better. As we were discussing “too much knowledge, not enough understanding.”
I actually put pretty much every writer at Daily Kos in that category too. I rarely read it anymore.
Vox
Billmon responses:
Vox again:
Probably long forgotten that fifty years ago that “Freedom Party” was the Republican Party (outside the borders of the southern states). Reagan was the poster boy for it.
If a blogger is arguing a candidate shouldn’t answer questions from the press he has truly lost the plot.
That piece was idiotic.
who said that? Markos?
You mean…Markos isn’t part of the establishment media?
Oh.
I never go there anymore…it’s like being shut up in a closet full of mothballs…but I thought there was a time where he turned himself (and his blog using mass bannings) inside out in an attempt to ass kiss his way in.
Did he fail or as Marie3 says below,.did they just stop
paying…errr, ahhh, I mean kissing…his ass in return once he’d served his purpose?Poor Little King!!!
Always the last to know.
AG
The political media is awful. That INCLUDES blogs. There is no practical difference. We get nothing from media except partisan bomb throwing and endless analysis of endless polls. Nothing is going to change in the next 4 years. Nothing has changed in the last 4 years. What’s the point of the daily bloodletting?
Neil, you’re consistent, I’ll give you that.
You care enough to come here and tell us to stop caring, or acting on our beliefs. It becomes difficult to understand what motivates you to take the time to write what you write here if, as you suggest, nothing matters much.
Lots of stuff matters. It’s just not anything in the political sphere these days. This is where so many have lost focus on what really matters.
Anyway, I just found this particular post so utterly divorced from reality. What have these bloggers actually accomplished beyond making half of america hate the other half?
Trump Ally: No Voting Rights For Women Using Free Birth Control & Welfare Recipients
Tuesday, 8/30/2016 12:13 pm
Wayne Allyn Root, a Donald Trump admirer who often claims to be in frequent contact with the GOP candidate and has led campaign rallies for him in Nevada, said yesterday that people who receive federal benefits such as Medicaid, welfare and food stamps should lose their right to vote, as should women who use “free contraception” under the Affordable Care Act.
Root’s plan would cut a large swath of Americans from the voter rolls: Roughly one in five Americans benefit from means-tested benefit programs, while 67 percent of women with private health insurance use copay-free contraception through the Affordable Care Act (which, by the way, is paid for by insurance companies, not by the federal government).
Root told Virginia radio host Rob Schilling yesterday that much of the energy behind Trump’s campaign, as he discusses in his new book “Angry White Male,” is that the country is “evenly divided between the makers and the takers,” so “the middle class is basically paying, paying, paying and the poor get everything free, and it’s a disaster.”
Root said that he had recently seen a map on the internet showing that if only “taxpayers” had been allowed to vote, the 2012 election would have been “a Republican sweep.”
KY Legislator: Voicemail shows Bevin threatened him
12:30 p.m. EDT August 30, 2016
A Democratic state legislator alleges Gov. Matt Bevin left a message threatening him and his district on his voicemail one day after he refused to change parties.
In the message, a copy of which was obtained late Monday by the Courier-Journal, Bevin told state Rep. Russ Meyer that he disagreed with his “decisions” and said he needed to understand how they will impact “you, your seat, your district.”
A month and a half after Bevin made the phone call, Meyer said he learned that the administration had canceled an $11.2 million transportation project that he said is crucial to his district – a move Meyer said is “absolutely” payback for his refusal to change parties.
I can’t recall the last time the national media added anything to the conversation. We spend most of our time trying to correct their mistakes, but how much difference has that made? Far as I can tell, the populace would be far better informed if the national media simply shut up.
Well if Trump is aggressively demonizing the press what does Hillary have to lose by less aggressively riling them? I believe Obama has proven how this works.
Make no mistake Obama did create Trump. He angled right until the GOP really had nowhere else to go. You can look at this as playing the long game or not… I believe I am with Booman in the appreciating the calculated genius that this entailed.
I also appreciate Bernie’s opportunistic and inspired run that filled the gap on the left and that Hillary can now use as a lever to topple the right – if she and her advisors can just figure out where the fulcrum is…
Make no mistake Obama did create Trump.
Hahahaha!! He certainly did not. The GOP created this themselves. It was coming even before people knew who Obama was. This was the logical extension of what the GOP was becoming and became.
Least surprising news of the day.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-james-clad-joint-appearance-cincinnati
Alan Grayson is a monster.
I am a moral sink.
You are everything that’s bad.
You’re a moral kitchen sink.
is there a problem in that sentence that I’m not seeing?
It’s certainly nothing different from what President Obama has said over the last 8 years.
The contingent of American voters who are offended by notions of “American exceptionalism” or maintaining military and diplomatic leadership is electorally insignificant.
as it has often actually been practiced and as it is meant by those making its embrace a litmus test for politicians . . .
. . . is a moral abomination. (For one obvious example, it violates the Golden Rule: it countenances . . . no, check that, it actually applauds . . . the U.S. taking actions and adopting positions/postures towards others that we would never accept them taking/adopting towards us. See, e.g., Cheney’s “one percent doctrine”.)
It’s like Norquist’s no-tax-increases “pledge”, but imposed against the left instead.
exactly how is that different than any other country, everyone thinks they’re exceptional
besides it’s not an argument you’ll win with 75% of Americans, so seems like a wasted effort to complain about someone saying American exceptionalism instead of changing what that means by changing the policies we pursue international & domestically
were meant by it (i.e., America is exceptional in the same way every nation is exceptional . . . in which case “unique” would better serve, though), there would be nothing objectionable about the claim.
But try endorsing that view and see how well it goes over with the rightwing demagogues and media who insist on endorsement of “American Exceptionalism” as a litmus test. (IIRC, the claim that that was all Obama meant when using it was a major attack point against him from the wingers.)
Or try noting other, not-so-pretty ways in which the U.S. is “exceptional”, e.g., a founding document institutionalizing slavery followed by nearly a century tolerating it; Jim Crow and ongoing racism/racial discrimination to this day, including the GOP’s massive, anti-[small ‘d’]emocratic, at least temporarily successful vote-suppression campaign; at-times-genocidal conquest of Native Americans; etc. (the list could be easily extended for a while). See where noticing such forms of “American Exceptionalism” gets you with the faux-patriotic-litmus-test crowd.
Whether “it’s not an argument you’ll win with 75% of Americans” is irrelevant to me (though obviously not to Clinton, Obama, others who’ve been brow-beaten into endorsing it despite — I hope — knowing better; just looks like obvious political calculation to me, perhaps understandable, even maybe forgiveable; doesn’t mean I have to like or endorse it; the term does not become any less morally repugnant to me just because of that). Speaking truth never seems “a wasted effort” to me, even if political expediency constrains some politicians to abstain from doing so.
none of us are right wing demagogues and neither is Clinton or Obama, they’re capable of talking about American Exceptionalism and knowing there are things we have to improve
We can also acknowledge the mistakes we’ve made in the past and still think we’ve got something good cooking
“demagogues and neither is Clinton or Obama”. We just do their dirty work and carry their water for them by succumbing to their brow-beating insistence on adopting the term, making it a litmus test. (I see this as quite analogous to the regrettable acquiescence to the very successful Rovian/Gingrichian demonization campaign against the term “liberal”; and in contrast to Obama’s laudable refusal to incant “Islamic terrorism” on wingnut-demagogue command.)
The U.S. has been “exceptional” in some very good ways and in some shameful, horrific ways. Much like pretty much every nation-state that has ever existed. Some more so on the “good” side, some more so on the “bad” side.
As part of this discussion (perhaps at least in part because I’ve studied foreign languages and traveled abroad myself) I can’t help putting myself in the position of foreign nationals following this “debate” and hearing “American Exceptionalism” embraced and invoked even by the less-nationalistic/xenophobic elements of our political spectrum (e.g., Clinton, Obama). Especially those foreign nationals with rich historical/cultural claims to “exceptionalism” of their own. I imagine them (at least the more measured and tolerant among them) wincing, clenching their jaws, grimacing, shaking their heads at the hubris and arrogance of that posture.
Again, I don’t think I’m doing anything more . . . um . . . “exceptional” than applying the Golden Rule here. Thought experiment: how would Americans generally (how would you) react to . . . oh, gee, I dunno, let’s say . . . German politicians succumbing to demands from their right wings to proclaim “German Exceptionalism”? Might raise a few alarm bells, no?
the right-wing/media insistence on the litmus test of endorsing “American Exceptionalism” could be the poster child illustrating just how laughable the rightwing pretense and posture that “Political Correctness” is a phenomenon confined to the liberal/left really is.
Well, saying “America sucks and we should go hide under the bed” is certainly not a way to get elected. Her comment is pretty much a necessity.