I’m kind of loving the fact that Nepal will ban you from climbing mountains in their country for ten years if you falsely claim to have reached the summit of Mt. Everest. That’s what just happened to Dinesh and Tarakeshwari Rathod, two police officers from Maharashtra, India.
I think I’d like to see the American justice system adopt some similar penalties for dishonesty. Of course, that can get tricky since the First Amendment gives you the right to lie your head off, in print or anywhere else. You can lie about your degree from the Wharton School of Business, or about your net worth, or about the poverty level in the Hispanic community. Most of the time, there are no legal implications for being a huge liar, and that’s the way it should be.
Still, if I was magically put in charge of such things, I’d be totally in favor of a ten-year ban for appearing on television and telling bald-faced whoppers. If I hosted or produced a cable news program, I would certainly tell each guest that they will never be invited back if they use the courtesy of our airtime to spew transparently and egregiously false information.
There’s always a place for lawyerly spin, but knowingly lying should be punished in a society, at least informally. And news organizations should be especially concerned about the potential for inadvertently misleading the public. It seems odd that they consider it essential to issue corrections when they make mistakes but they take so little care to make sure that their guests don’t just make up facts and statistics and historical events. Have you ever seen a correction on the Rachel Maddow Show where she explains that her research team has confirmed that the last guest just totally misrepresented certain facts and figures and then provides the correct information?
That never seems to happen, even though she’s conscientious about telling viewers when she has made mistakes of her own.
To be truthful, one reason that it’s impractical for news organizations to correct the record is that they allow so much lying in the first place. You don’t want to devote the resources you’d need to clean up after every new segment of lies, and the public would find the whole spectacle tedious.
But, if guests knew before appearing that they are expected to be truthful and that they will be put on probation and possibly never invited back if their comments necessitate a correction, a lot of the problem would get solved up front.
Of course, this would never fly at Fox News for a variety of reasons, including that their audience wants to be deluded and that giving them fully vetted information would drive them to Breitbart and Newsmax. There’s also the problem that this is a group of people still struggling with plate tectonics and the meaning of the Australopithecus afarensis. Asking them to vet a comment on climate change is like asking a Red Sox fan to root for Derek Jeter because it’s the All-Star Game.
Yet, the National Review‘s David French seems to know how important it is to folks to be on Fox News.
I’ll never forget the first time I was on Fox News. Bill O’Reilly had taken an interest in one of my cases and brought me and my client on to his show. Truly, he was interested only in her perspective, but since litigation was looming, we were a package deal.
So I drove to a studio in Nashville, sat in front of the fake city-skyline background, took a deep breath, and dove in. I bombed miserably. O’Reilly didn’t like my answers, and I struggled to explain myself when he pressed me for more details. I didn’t look good and I didn’t sound good. I had all the charisma of a wet dishrag. The first phone call after the show was from my best friend from college. He was laughing at me. “Dude, you were terrible.”
And yet, in the long run, that first appearance may well have been the best career move I’d made since getting a law degree. From that moment forward, I could claim the most important résumé bullet point in the conservative movement: “David French has appeared on Fox News.”
And, yeah, I know that that résumé bullet point is impressive and everything, but it’s probably not quite as valuable when the next sentence is “David French has been banned by Fox News.”
Contrary to some popular opinion, the First Amendment doesn’t give you the right to appear on television or to have your comments repeated in print. A little cultural shift and we’d see a country where adults are held to the same standards of truthfulness as our kids in elementary school. No, it is not okay to repeat Johnny’s lie just because you’re not the one who came up with it in the first place.
Truly, I understand the ratings game and the business end of news, but there should be more shame in this industry. It should do some self-policing. Nepal seems to understand the value to their tourist and climbing industry in not allowing people to just go around taking credit for things they didn’t actually accomplish. But our news industry doesn’t take similar care to protect their reputation for integrity.
We’re all the worse for it.
If we do punish liars, the first one in the line should be Alan Grayson, and he appears to be down for the count. That must give you a brief moment of satisfaction, Boo. What a sleazy guy. Be-be-be-be-BYE ALAN!!
Maybe it gives me a little unjustified faith in the wisdom of the electorate.
Mostly, it’s just pathetic.
It’s not as if he didn’t have competition for liar-in-chief.
You’re a clown. Murphy is a sleaze too, just in a different way.
Yes, but Murphy doesn’t commit the cardinal sin of being to my personal left.
There are more than a few Democrats in the House and Senate with equivalent lefty credentials. Most of them are far better about keeping their names out of the headlines for sleaze. Weiner was a similar case.
The result of that primary is on Florida voters. They made their choice, for better or worse.
One of my senators is Tammy Baldwin. The other will likely be Russ Feingold. Can’t get much better than that.
Red Sox fans don’t support Derek Jeter?
Isn’t he like the best short stop ever?
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The whoppers draw attention to themselves.
The lielets move the narrative….”The term was coined in 1973 by American writer Norman Mailer to mean a “piece of information that becomes accepted as a fact even though it’s not actually true, or an invented fact believed to be true because it appears in print.”
This is a basic tool of Western mainstream propaganda. Sprinkle every article full of “factoids” or small lies. These lies are not about the core topic of article, so they are unlikely to be challenged. Their only purpose is to enforce the narrative and demonize the enemy. When small lies or “lielets” are repeated often enough, they become factoids, meaning that they are no longer recognized as lies.”
kind of like Hillary Clinton is a pathological liar, seems to have penetrated everywhere and everyone
IL JimP’s point is particularly striking in light of looking at analyses of the statements made by the two major Presidential general election candidates:
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2016/08/the-pinocchio-inversion.html
Trump and his campaign have been outlandishly dishonest, much more dishonest than Romney, while Hillary and her campaign have matched the levels of honesty which were maintained by Obama and his campaigns. Yet Trump polls better with the public in comparative trustworthiness, and Obama is trusted by twice as many Americans than Hillary. It’s astonishing.
Not astonishing; illustrative of the power of propaganda, to which the left is just as susceptible as the right. Different buttons at times; same effect when skillfully pushed.
I attribute it to the “where there’s smoke, there’s fire” canard.
HRC has had entire apartment complexes thrown at her, nevermind sinks.
What I find funny is that Clinton is a typical politician, and all of a sudden, Clinton is being attacked for being…wait for it…a politician. The horrors!
Due in no small part, in my opinion, to sexism. But that’s just me.
Folks need to keep in mind it’s just as likely in politics that where there’s smoke, there’s a smoke machine.
“the public would find the whole spectacle tedious.”
It depends on how it is done. Isn’t that basically the gigs of Jon Stewart and now John Oliver?
Too many American lie-dodges for it to work here:
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When all that fails, there’s the halfhearted apology for being misinterpreted.
#1 is correct.
Which is not to say it’s never used as a dodge when it’s false: i.e., the speaker did know what s/he said was false, said it anyway knowing it was false, got caught, then just pretends not to have known it was false; i.e., compounds original lie with another.
For such an otherwise litigious society, it always amazes me the degree to which corporations and people can lie with impunity, even when they cause tangible damage or risk to others. Freedom of speech appears to have become freedom to defame…
This comment:
defines the mutual exclusiveness of what you’re suggesting. Once news became a business, then it became about ratings and viewers…and pissed off right wing viewers all too eager to bombard news organizations with defacto hate mail about their “biased coverage”.
That’s why there’s no shame in the industry.
Yeah. I don’t know how we got here. I really want to be on good terms with the first amendment, but there are days when I wonder if the Chinese are correct and its best simply to clamp down on the speech that’s available. (In China, if I recall, one can be prosecuted for spreading a rumor, which is interpreted broadly as making a statement that one does not know is true, also known as “speculation”. Wouldn’t that shred the comments sections of blogs!) Then there would be a limit at least on the number of sources of lies. Of course, those lies left would be the lies of the politically powerful and wealthy, which tend to be self-serving. But the supply of lies would probably diminish at first and it would probably be a more truthful place to be, until lie upon lie built up and nothing that one read or saw made sense any longer.
But for at least a few months, it would appear to be peaceful.
l would posit that their [so called] reputation for integrity was permanently damaged during GWB’s first term…see post 911 and the continuing wars in the ME.
shame and remorse are emotions that very few, if any, in positions of power and influence posses.
OT:
“[Maddow is] conscientious about telling viewers when she has made mistakes of her own.”
Well that’s certainly the impression she works assiduously to cultivate in her viewers, anyway!
The reality of her supposed conscientiousness is not nearly so clear-cut.
you should point to some examples of what you mean
I note the original claim favoring Maddow featured exactly no data points.
Interested parties should undertake their own research.
There has actually been some long-term near-realtime attention paid to Maddow’s (IMO self-serving but undeserved) reputation for honest self-correction.
If one were truly interested one could look into it.
Googling site:dailyhowler.blogspot.com Maddow correction would be a start…
you made the claim, it’s your responsibility to prove it
something in support of your claim is certainly an improvement.
I consider Somerby a national treasure and credit to him a substantial portion of opening my eyes to just how awful the political media can be, and how disastrously consequential their malpractice can be.
And in contrast to, say, Media Matters, he’s almost unique in his willingness to critique “our side” from our side.
And that is an immensely valuable, critically important function and service.
The downside I see is that a pretty unbalanced picture emerges from his prosecutorial zeal so focused on “our side”. OTOH, Media Matters and others cover the sins of the Wurlitzer pretty thoroughly, while this beat goes largely uncovered from the left, aside from Somerby. (Lots of focus on it from the right of course: Bozell’s outfit, NewsMax, etc., etc., most of it completely non-credible due to bias, misrepresentation, and just flat-out lying.)
But out of my appreciation and respect for what he does, I did look at a couple of the hits from your linked google search. I didn’t take the time (mine available < infinite!) to watch the linked videos, so I’m not taking any position on the validity or not of those particular critiques of Maddow. I did skim some comments that seemed to suggest fairly credibly that Somerby might have missed the boat/point re: one of them, anyway (something I’ve seen him do before, though not frequently).
All that said, I don’t agree with “Interested parties should undertake their own research”, which I’d characterize as a dodge if you hadn’t proceeded to provide some support for your claim anyway, despite having stated that position.