In recent days I’ve written that Paul Ryan’s Speakership Will End and that, therefore, Our Future is Not in Paul Ryan’s Hands. For further evidence of this, I note that Dana Milbank reports that Paul Ryan has already considered resigning as Speaker.
Trump’s depredations have left Ryan, the highest-ranking Republican in the land, in a no-win situation. He could revoke his Trump endorsement, but this would require resigning the speakership, because a majority of GOP caucus members are from heavily conservative districts where Trump is popular. They, like Trump and his legions, are already furious with Ryan, and his criticism of Trump only makes them angrier. I’m told Ryan considered resigning, but this would accomplish little beyond generating more chaos in an already ungovernable GOP caucus.
I’m not sure if I quite agree with how Milbank characterizes Ryan’s situation, but it’s close enough for our purposes in projecting Ryan’s future. He might not need to resign immediately to unendorse Trump, but what we’re actually concerned about are his prospects for winning the Speakership in the next Congress. If he’s already considered resigning, that tells you that he knows he doesn’t have much of a chance (let alone any real desire) to retain the Speaker’s gavel. Yet, there’s no need to create more division and confusion in the last three weeks of the presidential campaign, nor to create chaos in the coming lameduck session of Congress. Ryan will probably stick it out to the end of the year, but the Wednesday after Election Night may bring a sorrowful press conference where Ryan announces his retirement or at least his desire to go back to chairing the Ways & Means Committee and be done with taking responsibility for his fractious caucus and passing Democratic presidents’ spending bills.
If he surprises me and runs for Speaker again, the whole weight of Trump’s hordes will come down on the House Republican caucus like a ton of anti-globalist bricks.
So, what will happen when Ryan is no longer a candidate?
Again, we’re assuming here that Clinton wins the presidency and the Republicans retain a narrower majority in the House.
The Republicans will search around for someone who is willing to take the job of passing spending bills that President Clinton won’t veto. But the standard they’ll set for their candidate is that they won’t pass spending bills that President Clinton will sign. Only a fool would volunteer for such an assignment, and only someone dishonest could fulfill both roles at once.
The House Republican caucus will struggle to find a candidate and they will struggle even more to unite around that candidate. It may very well prove impossible, but, if so, that won’t become clear immediately.
The first order of business will be pushing someone who is completely free of all accusations that they stabbed Trump in the back. Anyone else will be unacceptable to Trump and his Breitbart/Hannity driven fire breathers.
If they succeed in uniting around someone, that candidate will have marching orders that make it clear that Clinton’s agenda and budget are dead on arrival. Paul Ryan couldn’t pass a budget this year and he and McConnell have not passed a single appropriations bill. The next Speaker will fare no better, and they’ll need to pass continuing resolutions to avoid a government shutdown. Before long, they’ll need to extend the debt ceiling again. They’ll fail at both unless they’re willing to rely on a minority of their own caucus going along with almost all Democrats.
Just as Boehner fell in the exact same situation, the new Speaker will fall.
Just as water will always find a way, the need to pay our bills on time will eventually force a “responsible” faction of House Republicans to conclude that, for the creditworthiness of the country and the health of the global economy, it is no longer possible to caucus with their intransigent brethren. This would have happened in 2015 if Boehner hadn’t agreed to step down in return for getting the votes to keep the government open and extend the debt ceiling. This may be the same exact price the next Speaker strikes on their way out the door.
But, eventually, the logic of the thing will become inescapable. There needs to be a coherent majority in the House that pays the bills, and if that majority isn’t defined on a strict R and D axis, so be it.
The Democrats may play a role here, too. If they’re smart, they will. There’s no good reason for House Democrats to continue to sit in the minority on the Appropriations and Budget committees, having no say in how our money is spent, and then be expected to near-uniformly pass the spending bills and continuing resolutions that the Republicans crafted. They may have to engage in their own form of brinksmanship (risking financial chaos) to convince moderate Republicans to join them in electing a “responsible” Speaker who will represent the “governing” majority.
However it happens, eventually the crisis will reach a point where it becomes clear that the Speaker must not try to govern based on political support from a majority of Republicans, but actually the reverse. Logically, a compromise would involve a moderate Republican leading this bipartisan coalition. Someone like Rep. Charlie Dent of Pennsylvania would make sense.
And once this coalition is formally created, the GOP will have been rendered in two. The smaller group, which will actually be in partnership with the Democrats, will represent the interests of the Bushes, Romneys, Chamber of Commerce, and responsible business interests, as well as the entire lobbying apparatus in DC. The larger group, representing most of the elected Republicans in Washington, will be in the minority and taking on an ever-more populist and antiestablishment Trumpian flavor.
In other words, Trump will have taken over the Republican Party.
There are many reasons to believe this, or something that closely resembles it, will play out next year. More than anything else, it’s the absolute necessity that some majority forms in the House that will pay our debts and keep the government open. Anything that stands in the way of either of those two things will eventually be sidelined and stripped of power. I can see no way that the House Republicans (if they maintain a majority) can pay our bills, keep our government open, and continue to support a leader who advocates those things. So, they won’t and responsible people will react as they must.
This is a broad brush attempt to draw the outlines of next year, but we could get more granular. In the aftermath of the election, the “establishment” Republicans will attempt to get the better of the argument and go back to arguing that they should pass immigration reform. They’ll find few elected members willing to risk a primary to back them. Clinton will offer a plateful of proposals designed to gain Republican support (perhaps on trade, more clearly on tax reform and criminal justice reform), but these things will only further split the GOP and inflame their civil war.
Needless to say, I don’t see Paul Ryan playing a role in any of this. If he does, he’ll be taken down quickly or give up in frustration.
Things will look much different if the House and Senate fall to the Democrats. In that case, the House Republicans would no longer have the responsibility of passing bills to keep the government open or to pay our bills on time. They could lick their wounds in peace. They could have their ideological battle on their own time without it having too much negative impact on our country, the economy or the world.
But if the Republicans retain the House, the party will not be able to govern and it will split.
And once this coalition is formally created, the GOP will have been rendered in two. The smaller group, which will actually be in partnership with the Democrats, will represent the interests of the Bushes, Romneys, Chamber of Commerce, and responsible business interests, as well as the entire lobbying apparatus in DC.
We’ll see just how large this group is. How many of them will join this group knowing they are painting a huge target on their own back?
It will be as small as it can be and as large as it has to be.
If 50% + 1 is the threshold, then we will continue to see maximum drama every time anything needs a vote. How long can our system remain functional under such extended stress and duress, especially as it relates to funding? At some point, the “responsible ones” who are continually finding themselves voting with the Democrats will need to decide if they are really Republicans anymore. It appears our government is going to be a fragile house of cards for a very long time.
Shining city on the hill, my ass.
It’s really a one-two punch that the House GOP delivers to any prospective leader.
This cannot be done with a Democratic president.
This is why the House caucus cannot function as a governing caucus unless there is a Republican president.
It hasn’t changed. It will actually be worse next year.
Absolutely. They evolved as a minority party, casting stones from outside the gates. Since first coming to power in the early “90s, they’ve made a mess of things. With a Republican president the infighting is limited because there’s a unifying force. Instead, they wind up spending like drunken sailors, running up enormous debt and tanking the economy. But when forced to govern and compromise with a Democrat, well that’s just too much! How can they be part of responsible governance when that’s simply not something their party believes possible?
How long can our system remain functional under such stress and duress, especially as it relates to funding?
My guess right now is as long as the Obama administration tightens back on actual outlays from current budgeted authority and cash flows.
That could be early December, or it could be extended past Inauguration Day. It depends on how good the Departments are at setting aside a contigency kitty.
You know, I cannot stand the word ‘kitty’ used in this manner. It is like fingernails on a chalkboard to me whenever Obama uses it. I dont know why but the word this context is painful.
Aren’t they already having trouble trying to get ACA funds released?
I fear these compromises.
Beckle up the light sabres, lefties… Mandatory IRAs for everyone and SS gets the hind tit.
Hillary Clinton And Wall Street: Financial Industry May Control Retirement Savings In A Clinton Administration
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/hillary-clinton-wall-street-financial-industry-may-control-
retirement-savings#.
Oops. I meant to reply to your next one.
And how much really rotten legislation will be agreed to in order to get that 50th vote? We saw that in 2009.
. . . the party, the party left me” speeches.
The Republican party essentially exists in order to hamstring the Federal Government long enough for state and local governments to fleece as many of the useful idiots as possible, while selling as much public property to the oligarchs they serve.
They want the house of cards to fall. Just listen to Strongman Trump and his supporters. If they don’t get their way, it’s because the house of cards needs to be set on fire.
This is essentially what has happened in Texas. The state House is divided into three groups: Democrats, sane Republicans, and crazy Republicans. There are more Republicans than Democrats, but none of the three groups has a majority. The Speaker (Joe Straus) is part of the sane Republican group, and his caucus teams up with Democrats from time-to-time on must-pass items (state budget, education funding).
yep.
I agree that that’s where we’re going short term. Longer term, the model is California — where Republicans have lost most of their leverage. But I think Democrats are going to have to be creative and make demands, as you’ve alluded to. Why indeed should they not sit on important committees? I wonder if they couldn’t maybe flip a few moderate Republicans from blue states with a promise that the party will support them in getting renominated as Democrats next time around.
I have my doubts about all of this.
Booman searches for moderate republicans. How many of them actually are there? The Tea Party controls the GOP, and if they hold the House they are going to claim victory and argue Trump lost for personal reasons.
Are progressives supposed to just roll over and play nice doggy in this scenario?
Of course we all know the answer to that: yes.
Because her comes a corporate tax deal – which both Clinton and Obama want – and which is going to be jammed down progressive throats.
There will be some horse trading – and the GOP will pass something that loses a large portion of the caucus.
But that isn’t going to split the party
And this is what sucks about the way we are winning. It is personal not ideological.
From the GOP perspective if the GOP holds the House they have little reason to bargain. Obstruction has cost them nothing – there have been no consequences. Make no mistake, the sequester is a very real win for the GOP. They are likely to re-take the Senate.
I think this is wishful thinking. Period. There will be budget deals, and some tax deal which will make any progressive vomit. The GOP right will scream. But so what – it did before.
Where the rubber really meets the road is Obamacare which will need legislative fixes, and which remains unpopular.
I doubt we have 3 GOP votes in the House willing to cross lines and try to fix what needs fixing.
Sam Wang thinks that if Clinton wins by 8% or more, that’s where some chance of the Dems taking the house kicks in. Are you still seeing 11%?
And obviously many of these Republican House members won’t cross lines. But it’s not a bad place to start looking … https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_opposing_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign,_2016#
U.S._Representatives
What to say about Sam…
I am in China – and I can’t run numbers very well.
What I am seeing is shocking numbers out of Texas, Georgia and Arizona. What is unclear to me is if Clinton has maxed her vote out early and what is out will break GOP. Texas in particular deserves significant attention and in some ways is the story of the race. But there were no 2012 exit polls in Texas, and the last two polls show similar margins but very different Clinton numbers. Clinton is up over 5 over Obama in a SUSA poll over Obama – and the margin shift is mind blowing.
Taken together the Texas, Arizona, Georgia and South Carolina numbers predict something VERY BIG on the horizon – akin to a 15 point win. BUT they are hard to make square with other polling. Arizona shows a huge Dem shift: next door Nevada does not. Certainly the mid-west numbers don’t suggest a blowout.
BUT there is also the CA, MA and NY polling which suggests a Clinton margin equal to or better than Obama and the probability based on past data that this will go at least 5 points higher.
On the eve of the election in 2012 I noticed higher undecided in the Pacific West and predicted that it would break for Obama and a result his popular vote margin would be larger than expected.
If I were writing something now it would be entitled “Landslide warning” and I would be asking if this margin could get as high as 15. It might. But I haven’t done the work to reconcile that with the national polling – which shows something else.
Trump is in many ways in the sample place as Dukakis after the second debate in 1988. Dukakis likely saved the Senate when the Dem vote that left came back late, and we will see if the GOP vote comes back this time.
Frost wrote of life “without salt”. He meant a life without joy and that is this election. We will win but on grounds that will prevent from landing the blow that alters the ideological balance significantly.
A win without salt.
V. interesting, thanks.
Hope you’re having a nice/productive time in China!
The reasons you can see a big shift in TX/GA/AZ/SC but not so much nationally are pretty clear from internals of polls. We still have a red/blue divide, but there’s been a substantial shift in where the line is. College-educated whites are moving to Clinton while high school educated whites are moving away. All those states are relatively well-educated in terms of % of college graduates (stereotypes about TX are wrong) driven mostly by being migration targets over the past couple decade. Minimum wage high school graduates are a lot less like to move for a job opportunity and almost certain not to retire to AZ. These states also have a lot of minorities already voting D.
At the same time outflow states like IA and OH are moving away from us. Even in the near-landslide of current polling IA is still Lean Trump on most sites. NV is also relatively poorly educated, and also has an economic problem in that it’s the only housing bubble state where a large fraction of the population is still underwater.
This is a good thing for control of the House as significant shifts in partisan lean tend to scramble gerrymandering. If the R’s hadn’t done such a good job gerrymandering TX, GA, and SC, I think we’d be favored for the House due to that. As it is, I look at all these R+10 districts where we’re running college professors and it looks daunting. The “conventional” swing districts look in reach for a narrow majority still, although odds are against us. We need Hillary to nationalize the election by going after the House as well as Trump.
Oh yeah, corporate profits repatriation is a big old baseball just hanging over the plate….
I’d have to say this is the clearest explanation of the likeliest scenario – more governmental disfunction. In such a case, Hillary’s ambitious agenda is dead on arrival, and the best she can do is use the Senate majority to stock the Federal Courts with liberals who will vote to de=gerrymander the states by ruling that such “scientific gerrymandering” efforts are in violation of the one-person, one-vote principles enshrined in the Constitution. That’s the only way we get a Republican party that is truly representative of the people in their states, instead of an intransigent crackpot minority of them.
Your argument is well made, but it is reminiscent to me of the arguments you made back in 2006 that the Republican caucus would eventually be forced to split with Bush over the Iraq war. You argued that it was inconceivable that they would stick with W and go down to inevitable defeat, but stick they did. Similarly, it is inconceivable that the few sane members of the republican caucus would allow country to default, but this doesn’t mean that it won’t happen.
It would not be an unreasonable expectation for the Republican caucus to allow a default, whether by design or simply by rank cowardice.
You’re ignoring what happened in 2015.
There are still a lot of Republicans in the House who are basically representing lobbying firms, Wall Street, and the Chamber of Commerce. Call them Boehnerists or something. Or, just, “normal.”
This strikes me as the crux of your entire argument. Which boils down to the question: in how many congressional districts can a Cantor-Republican beat a Brat-Republican in the Repub primary?
Or, I guess, in how many districts is Ryan’s approval rating higher than Trump’s among Republican primary voters?
Partly correct, but probably more complex than that.
Until two seconds ago, K Street, the Chamber, and Wall Street absolutely owned the GOP in Congress. But K Street has no bills to lobby, the Chamber can’t get a bridge funded, and Wall Street doesn’t want people monkeying with our credit rating. They remain incredibly powerful and influential and they have longstanding relationships with most members of Congress, especially on the Republicans’ side of the aisle.
So, some lawmakers will find them less helpful/threatening than the Trumpsters. But many are only in Congress to do their bidding, and they know no other way.
But many are only in Congress to do their bidding, and they know no other way.
And you can get paid more as a lobbyist if you’ve been there for 10 or 15 years first then if you were only there for 2 or 4, right? After all, the longer you’ve been there the more time you’ve had to build up relationships.
Right, and the Tea Party ain’t giving you a job if you get beat.
It’s one of many reasons I don’t see the GOP, even just 3 or 4 members, compromising on anything. Come February, why do they care if the government shuts down?
Your scenario requires a public reaction against GOP obstruction similar to 1995.
This election isn’t it. We aren’t winning it on policy.
No GOP member is as scared of the Chamber as they are of the Tea Party.
Until an event occurs that portends real political consequences for GOP behavior you are in my judgement wishful thinking.
Maybe the Trump people will keep falling for the Kabuki of the Speaker resigning “in exchange for” passing a spending bill (so that the spending bill appears to be a remnant of the previous, “bad” Speakership that they’re “stuck with”).
It’s worked once already. And the Trump voters are notoriously unaware of how the government works (on the basic civics level) — they elected all those crazy freshman house members whose job was to shout at Hillary during the Benghazi hearings and otherwise create the illusion that they were “changing Washington.”
There were enough Republicans in 2015 to prevent a default and there will be again.
Hope you are right. But if you go to the brink enough times…well, even if it’s a small chance each time that you’ll go over, eventually you will.
Will Vegas take a bet on the trillion dollar coin?
I think one could argue that is unconstitutional since the power of the purse was given congress, not the executive branch.
The “power of the purse” refers to appropriations, not payment. The trillion-dollar coin is actually a way to fulfill the appropriations Congress has made and in no way affects the power of the purse.
The trillion-dollar coin is much less of a big deal than it’s made out to be. All it really does is let the Treasury issue electronic money via a technicality. It should be able to anyway, but our currency is governed by a 100-year-old Federal Reserve Act (somewhat dubiously) under a 200-year-old Constitution, all long before computers even existed, and so the rules for the currency we use today are hopelessly out of date.
That is the wrong fight: in the next two years Obamacare will need legislative fixes.
How do we get them?
I think you’re way too optimistic about sanity on the Republican side and the Democrat’s leverage. American voters blame everything bad that happens on the President and their party. Republicans have no political interest in avoiding a financial crisis, only personal ones, so they will do only the absolute minimum to avoid catastrophe. The Democrats have absolutely no leverage, because if a spending bill goes down catastrophically because the Democrats insist on some concession beyond maintaining the status quo, the headlines will read “HOUSE DEMOCRATS CAUSE DEPRESSION BY PUSHING HILLARY’S AGENDA”. Everybody knows that and the Republicans will just laugh at any threats
My concern is that the House may not be able to operate at all. If the Freedom Caucus will only vote for somebody who will burn it down, the less crazy Republicans only for somebody that won’t, and Republicans cannot share power with Democrats because of purity challenges, nobody can get elected Speaker. The House won’t even be able to transact business. There was a whiff of that during the campaign to replace Boehner, and that was with a much stronger “less crazy” caucus than we’ll likely have in January.
A Speaker will get elected. And it won’t take long.
Voters are not the only ones who exert pressure on congress. That’s why Booman’s right.
So, pretty much the entire GOP house caucus, huh?
As others said I find the idea here questionable. Relying on a group of GOPers to risk both political and possobly personal health. Relying on dems to actually let the country default rather than continue to enable, relying on a speaker being elected at all after what GOpers do lose are the moderates this year.
Well it can certainly happen as you say. But I simply don’t know.
It would be better if we can just find enough voters to win the House, that’ll take a lot of work but it’s still a possibility
This is brilliant and spot-on. The part you omit is what happens AFTER the rupture.
Assuming this is pretty much how it goes down, the next step is that the smaller faction of more moderate Republicans gets berated and/or shunned by the Trumpist faction. And over the course of a few years, when it becomes clear that no rapprochement will happen, and after some strategic overtures by the Democrats, this faction joins the Democratic Party. And that’s how the Democrats take back the House (if they don’t do it in this election).
I wonder how this will play out if the House Republicans maintain a very small majority (say 5 or so seats).
I think that outcome is quite likely. And I think it works out just the way I said. The smaller the majority, the more intense the overtures from the Democrats (seats on good committees, chairs or vice-chairs, personal subcommittees, nice office space, etc).
What is the likelihood that some moderate republicans will switch parties, esp if trump lost badly in their districts? And should the Dems be eager for that since they would most likely be more conservative than most, but necessary to hold the majority?
While conservatives in your caucus can make problems with messaging and branding, they’re only a net-negative if they vote against in you committee where you’ve reserved them a spot.
This can be dealt with in two ways.
Overall, getting the majority, the Speakership and the committee chairs outweighs everything else.
If there were a 218-217 split in favor of the Republicans, I can see a jumper throwing it to the Dems. Maybe two or three if they were needed. Anything more than that is unlikely.
In how many House districts held by the GOP is the majority of GOP voters not Trumpite? I’m assuming that those 30 or so House Republicans who signed that dump-Trump statement figure they can get away with it because the Trumpites in their districts are weak. Are they the only ones who wouldn’t have to worry about a Trumpite primary challenge? And are they the ones likeliest to be defeated by a Democrat this year?
I guess what I’m trying to ask is this: Have the Trumpites already effectively captured the House GOP?
And then what about the Senate Republicans?
This is along the same lines as my questions above which Booman answered. Say Peter King, on Long Island. Or folks from Philly suburbs. They might be identified as “safe” from a challenge from the right. And if they switched parties, they might be OK too in a general. Can anyone identify any of such folks?
This might help.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gary-herbert-trump-women_us_57f85540e4b0e655eab48044
What’s especially ironic — and will be especially difficult for them — is that the entire Republican edifice is already mired in so much fiction, theater and duplicity that it’s going to be difficult for them to make any genuine changes that they haven’t already pretended to make in a cynical, manipulative fashion.
What I mean is, the concept of a coalition splitting off and forming a “new party” was used eight years ago as a mechanism for staying in power. The “Tea Party” was a PR contrivance, like General Motors creating “Geo” in the 1990s and calling it “A different kind of car company” (with the General Motors branding removed) in order to circumvent the buying public’s fatigue with Detroit.
I suspect they’ll try to do the same thing again — make it look like some kind of “takeover” is taking place — but I don’t think it will work. One of the (very few) benefits of Trump’s candidacy was the way he dependably called out Republican hypocrisy. He was very good at getting all those voters to realize they were being played by their own party. “Won’t get fooled again” and all that.
On the other hand, the Trump voters, while nihilistic and violent, just aren’t well informed (as I wrote elsewhere on this thread). I’m not saying they’re stupid — but as a self-selecting group they seem to share the trait of not really understanding how all the pieces fit together; how the Federal government functions.
Though when they mutually reinforce each other synergistically, it’s ugly indeed.
Are you actually predicting that a bunch of House Republicans will leave their party? Or will they only become more active in cooperating with Democrats?
So, what happens when something we’ve never seen before happens and a party wins a majority at the ballot box and then loses it in a kind of voluntary coup?
This is complicated by the fact that it would only be happening, at least at first, in the U.S. House of Representatives. At first, it would be called something else like a “coalition majority” or a “unity caucus.” And everyone would swear it was temporary.
But, mechanically, it would set things in motion and candidates running for reelection would have to make choices about who’d they’d promise to caucus with.
The split would grow from this fallout.