Here’s how I’m feeling about Donald Trump at this point in the campaign:
I’ve kind of tuned Trump out at this point. I wonder if I am alone.
— Martin Longman (@BooMan23) October 19, 2016
I just don’t care what he’s saying and doing anymore and I get the feeling that a lot of other people have reached the same point. He’s lost the ability to shock me and, as a result, he can no longer even offend me.
My friend Al Giordano has some observations (subscription newsletter) on the same topic, but from a broader angle.
This election won’t just determine domestic and foreign policies. It will also set the course for cultural norms in the United States for years to come. The social consequences could be worse than those directly related to governance. “Make America Great Again” truly is code for “Get Home By Sundown.”
This will be the last presidential election in which white Americans hold a majority (a slim one at 51 percent of the population). By 2020 that will slip under fifty percent: thus the collective freak-out that resulted in the nomination of Donald Trump for the GOP nomination, and Trump’s success at selling to part of the GOP base a level of authoritarian discourse unseen from a major party candidate in any living person’s lifetime.
When we see or hear fifty-year-old guys in the media threatening coups d’etat or assassination attempts against a Hillary presidency, keep in mind that these dudes couldn’t win an arm-wrestling contest. Theirs are expressions of profound impotence: a lament that their whiteness and maleness does not today infuse them with the automatic privilege and power they were promised as boys.
Such expressions – whether from some asshole on social media or a bitter relative at the family Thanksgiving table – are meant to inflame. They respond to social cues that the rest of us provide them. Guys like that figure out what words are likely to offend or traumatize others and they shout them precisely to upset. In their lives of loud desperation, the moment when they cause stress to others may be the only time anyone pays them any attention at all. It provides a fleeting illusion of the power that they thought was their birthright. Alone at twilight, many with a couple of divorces later, with kids that generally hate them, causing trauma is the only move left in their playbook to say: “I am,” and to be noticed at all.
Donald Trump lives out their aging white male fantasy on a national and international stage. He’s a hero to these bros. It doesn’t matter to his base whether, as president, he would make their lives better or worse. We’re dealing with a passive nihilist impulse here. Trump upsets everybody else – women, people of color, religious minorities, youth – therefore he thrills his supporters.
With every outrageous comment he is saying for the group: “We are. We exist.”
But the act has grown old.
What is really happening is that chunks of the Trump base have become demoralized. The “enthusiasm deficit” that pundits assigned to Clinton’s vote has inverted and now the specter of voter apathy haunts Republicans more than Democrats.
Two related factors especially demoralize the Trump voters (and make it less likely some of them will vote at all): The sense that his outrageous statements-du-jour no longer shock and offend “the other people” that this sector of white folks enjoy bothering. And the regular reminders that Democrats are simply better organized when it comes to grassroots voter contact (phone calls, door knocks, GOTV) and, above all, early voting. Media images of the long lines – particularly of African-Americans – flocking to early vote polling places are devastating to the morale of the potential Trump voter.
On the subject of African-Americans voting early, Michael McDonald noted two days ago that the numbers out of Georgia are strong:
In Georgia today 91,951 people voted. 31% were African-American, pushing the overall African-American early vote percentage from 19% to 27%
— Michael McDonald (@ElectProject) October 18, 2016
That 31% matches the black population of the state as a whole. Four years ago, Georgia was one of many states where black turnout (by percentage) actually exceeded white turnout. We could be seeing a repeat even though Barack Obama is not on the ballot.
And, yes, there are lines. On the first two days of in-person early voting, the wait times were reportedly as long as five hours in some locations.
I think there is an element of Trump’s appeal that is collapsing due to the widening consensus and perception that he’s a certain loser. It just doesn’t seem like much of an F.U. to show up to the polls to vote for a guy who’s going to get smooshed.
But maybe it’s just that his opponents’ are now so confident that they’re beginning to shrug off the outrages and insults.
I’ve kind of tuned Trump out at this point. I wonder if I am alone.
— Martin Longman (@BooMan23) October 19, 2016
LOL I admitted such in a side diary and got outrage poured on my head.
How did I know you were an AL G friend? He still planning to beat Sanders like a rented mule?
yeah, I believe he’s going for it.
Do you have a link for his subscription newsletter?
I started getting Al’s subscription newsletter when I donated to his School of Authentic Journalism through their kickstarter last year. At that point, a donation of $70 (one-time or signed up through monthly donations) got you a subscription to the newsletter.
There may be other ways, but that’s what I know.
Right now, they’re promoting a show they’re producing.
Sanders was re-elected in 2010 with 71.1% of the vote. And some punk-assed no name Internet wannabe is going to “beat him like a rented mule?”
Your friend is delusional.
Maybe he’s delusional, but you should know who we’re talking about.
When was the last time he ran for office in Vermont?
How many votes did he get?
What is his political base in Vermont?
Who is his campaign manager?
How much money does he have in his campaign fund?
How many people are on his fund raising list?
Who will endorse him over Sanders?
Ah, you’re asking for information that I’m not eager to provide you for two reasons.
First, I’m not being paid by Al Giordano. Second, insofar as I’m sympathetic to his cause, I understand the importance of stealth to his campaign.
I’ll just say two things on this.
You would be shocked at how much Bernie has alienated the political establishment in Vermont and surprised by Al’s good relations in important quarters there.
And, money won’t be a problem.
I’ll be shocked if there isn’t a tidal wave of money and establishment support behind Giordano, and not just from Vermont.
DNC will be out for blood, you can bet. Can’t have Dems being divisive, you know. Unless they are Blue Dogs.
Money will most definitely not be a problem.
I remember Giordano as a sane voice during the 2008 cycle.
I can’t begin to imagine what pitch he could make that would make him more attractive to progressives than Sanders.
I don’t know, maybe actually knowing how to get things done?
I’m not sure which things you’re referring to. The biggest win I see in his Wikipedia article is the shut down of the Yankee Rowe Nuclear Power Station.
What hasn’t Sanders gotten done, exactly?
Well,
He never released his tax returns, so he never got THAT ‘done’.
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See, the slime is still working.
Sanders has been a very effective legislator. Check the actual record.
So does the cult of personality.
Ah, you’re asking for information that I’m not eager to provide you for two reasons.
First, I’m not being paid by Al Giordano. Second, insofar as I’m sympathetic to his cause, I understand the importance of stealth to his campaign.
Haha!! You sound like a Trumpette here. You do realize how stupid Al sounds here:
http://theweek.com/articles/627770/could-political-gadfly-steal-bernie-sanders-senate-seat
right?
Not a single stupid word uttered by him in that piece.
Al checks all the boxes for a “social” liberal. He seeems able to somewhat recognize the damage of neoliberal privatizations in SA. But he is curiously blind to our public/private predations if Dems are doing it. IMO
I should also ad his bid isn’t very stealth given it received write-ups on at least a couple of different semi-prominent websites a few months ago.
It’s not really a loss to him either way. If he wins, yay for him. If he loses, his newsletter will get subscribers. Grift away, jackass.
You don’t understand stealth.
I admitted such in a side diary and got outrage poured on my head.
That’s b/c you didn’t wait for the leader to tell you what to think and when to think it.
“BEWARE OF THOSE”
Beware of those who are bitter,
For they will never allow you
To enjoy your fruit.
Beware of those who criticize you
When you deserve some praise for an achievement,
For they secretly desire to be worshiped.
Beware of those who are needy or stingy,
For they would rather sting you
Than give you anything.
Beware of those who are always hungry,
For they will feed you to the wolves
Just to get paid.
Beware of those who speak negatively
About everything and everybody,
For a negative person will never say
A positive thing about you.
Beware of those who are bored
And not passionate about life,
For they will bore you with reasons
For not living.
Beware of those who are too focused with
Polishing and beautifying their outer shells,
For they lack true substance to understand
That genuine beauty is in the heart
That resides inside.
Beware of those who step in the path of your dreams,
For they only dream to have the ability
To take half your steps.
Beware of those who steer you away
From your heart’s true happiness,
For it would make them happy to see you
Steer yourself next to them,
Sitting with both your hearts bitter.
Those who are critical don’t like being criticized,
And those who are insensitive have a deficiency in their senses.
And finally,
Beware of those who tell you to BEWARE.
They are too aware of everything –
And live alone, scared.
Poetry by Suzy Kassem”
― Suzy Kassem, Rise Up and Salute the Sun: The Writings of Suzy Kassem
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I haven’t been interested in what Trump says for a long time. I am still interested in the reaction to what Trump says.
Even though the last debate was hard to watch, I’ll tune in tonight for sure. I’m curious to see whether he follows Conway’s advice or his own impulses (or some combination). At this point, it’s like watching a squirming insect under a microscope so there’s a sense in which I’m not taking what he says seriously or at face value.
There’s a fresh rape allegation against Bill that he can try flinging in Hillary’s face.
Does that word mean what you seem to be using it to mean?
Agreed. I can’t even bring myself to watch tonight’s debate. It’s totally irrelevant.
Interesting points, but he’s way off when it comes to the percentage of non-Hispanic whites. It’s currently 61%, not 51%, and it’s not expected to dip below 50% until the 2040s. The percentage of voters who are non-Hispanic whites is even larger.
Can’t speak for other states, but Hispanics in Texas are rapidly being mainstreamed. And they can be a pretty conservative bunch. Much closer to Catholic tradition and small business savvy. Intermarriage is a common occurrance, even in upper classes. Freely intermarry in ALL economic classes.
I think Al’s talking population as a whole, not voters.
There is an element of Trump overexposure in the mix. He peaked too soon, and turned out to be unexpectedly predictable and easy to manipulate.
Only the last of those factors may have slightly dampened the enthusiasm of any of his supporters; but the total picture has become steadily less appealing to anyone else. That, in turn, has factored into the tone of media coverage.
But he also seems to have got to the bottom of his bag of tricks. What really new surprises has he come up with in the past week-and-a-half or so? This may reflect the fact that his current handlers, the Breitbartians, have themselves been recycling old material for decades.
The real story there is that fact that the Breitbartians have taken over the Republican Party and will drive its propaganda going forward, using Trump as a figurehead where he resonates but not where he doesn’t.
It’s not that he peaked to soon, it’s that he got baited by speakers at the democratic convention, and then destroyed (smooshed?) by opposition research right at a critical moment, and that threw him off his game.
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I stopped watching too. I mute the TV every time he speaks. I have no plans to watch The Donald trying to inflict his brand of revenge on HRC/Obama tonight. He is completely out of control.
This is such a fascinating time to follow politics. We’re witnessing a major realignment on a scale that we’ll never see again in our lifetimes.
This election is more liberal likely the setup for the next realignment – unless the Democrats win the House and the Senate.
With the Senate you get 1 new Supreme Court justice.
With the House you get budgets and programs approved.
But without the House, you just get the Supreme Court quickly, without the Senate you don’t get much.
Who needs the real Trump when we’ve got Alec Baldwin?
If you have Republican voter fatigue from the top then all bets are off for the senate and the polls for house races are total garbage.
Right now, Senate races in NH, NV, PA, FL, MO and NC are within 1-3% points. It doesn’t take much non-voting because of fatigue to make that up.
Also of interest is all those gerrymandered House seats. I don’t know about most of the states, but having looked hard at PA, I know that the D conclaves are absolutely blue, while most of the R districts are more pink than red. For R’s in the House, if you have a 3% drop in Trump support due to non-voting … you could be gone. More, you won’t even know it until Nov. 9.
We’ll see.
The PA gerrymander produced a lot of pink seats, but it’s the exception. The states we’re talking about flipping – NC, GA, SC, MO, TX – all have very hard gerrymanders with few if any seats below even R+10 – 2 in SC, 2 in NC (at +8), 1 in GA (and it’s +9) 1 in ALL of TX, and none in MO. Even a 15-point wave would have trouble flipping these seats. A big wave will show up in red seats in blue states – the R+5 seats (ones just past what we need for control) are: CA-39, CO – 3, FL-25, IL-14, MI 1 and 4, NV-2, NM -2, VA-5, and WI – 6.
yeah, I think your probably right. There’s just too much previous evidence of “your congressman is an ass, mine is next to god” to flip seats in deep red states.
But in gerrymandered Blue states? Specifically PA and VA? Oh, yeah. There it can happen.
Need to work on the statehouses and leges too. Few are more odious than here in NC. Luckily, McCrony has pissed off tons of people and cost the state millions of dollars with HB2, and there’s blood in the water. Burr may survive it, but puppet pal Pat is toast.
Oh, having (in the past 10 days or so) a Repub prez nominee bloviate about (1) “international financial conspiracies” to defeat him and ruin the country, (2) the Dem rigging of the election against him (this from the party that has ACTUALLY been involved in implementing vote suppression schemes nationwide!) and (3) is now inciting (armed conservative white male) interference at polling places in “certain communities” is objectively shocking, even if many of us have subjectively lost the ability to be shocked any longer by Trumpian tirades, irresponsibility and lunacy.
In many ways, this is the logical endgame for a party that has been a party of abject lies, falsehoods and misrepresentations for decades now. The massive lies of the past have proven inadequate and, as frank observes, the latest development is that Team Breitbart has been invited in to run the latest iteration of the Repub’s propaganda. Hence the “election rigging”, etc.
The “conservative” movement is relying on the natural desensitization that sets in when presented with ever bigger Big Lies…but it is still shocking.
i posted this back in may, after trump snagged the nomination:
remember, obama won the white house by scrupulously avoiding the stigma of the “angry black man”.
looks like “angry white guy” is no credit either.
I was listening to some political podcast or another (NPR? 538? Can’t remember). One of the people on it made an interesting and somewhat related point. Trump’s strategy of telling everyone that the election is rigged may be having the opposite effect on his voters’ enthusiasm than what he wants. Namely that he’s trying to get them excited to vote because the system is so corrupted while essentially telling them at the same time that their vote won’t matter. I hadn’t thought about it like that.
Assumes facts not in evidence – that Trump actually wants to win, rather than have a good dolchstosslegende for losing. The fact that it will indeed probably depress Republican turnout is probably why all these Republicans have taken to the air saying the election is NOT rigged after a decade of claiming imaginary voter impersonation fraud endangers our elections. But their interests aren’t his.
It could be really lethal in the long term for the Republicans if Trump insists election fraud for the Democrats is a big deal, and the Establishment disagrees, and then the Republican vote comes in well behind polling because of their voters think it’s futile. That would actually look like there WAS fraud, a little bit, and the fact that it happened in areas firmly under Republican control as well won’t penetrate their echo chamber. The Republican Establishment will be discredited to its voters and its voters will be disillusioned permanently.
usually this effects more marginal voters which are typically Democratic leaning, it will be interesting if it filters down to the more hardcore GOP voter
This has to be big enough that Clinton does not have absolute control of Congress because of the number of freshman Democrats in both houses.
The reason: Chuck Schumer should not become majority leader and should not enact a tax cut next year. That idea is lunacy and rewards the very people who should not be rewarded for supporting Clinton. It perpetuates the fiscal problem in this country.
But it can only be stopped if the landslide is so huge that it sweeps in some unlikely progressive Democrats who ran as long shots.
This election has gotten crazy enough that any Democrat could win anywhere; they just have to get enough of their people to the polls to win 50% + 1 vote. Roughly 175,000 votes for a Congressional District.
If Trump wins, he will define the Republican Party and Republican incumbents won’t. They are tied to him no matter what; challengers should be documenting that and the failure of the conservative movement to deliver, peace, prosperity, or even traditional values (ergo Trump).
But deliver us from a Democratic Party in hock to Black Rock.
This is shocking…
In an election flush with conspiracy theories, here’s one that’s real: Both major party nominees, as well as the journalists who cover the election and moderate the debates, are actively conspiring to avoid talking about the fact that the United States is waging war in at least five countries simultaneously: Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya, and Somalia.
Democrats, on the other hand, have several reasons of their own to avoid a conversation about our multiple wars. First, because they quite understandably fear that the American people might object if they realized the Democratic administration was meddling militarily in so many places. Second, because the results of and strategic goals at stake in these interventions are so consistently muddled. Third, because it would reveal that Democrats are closely following the foreign policy vision of their nemesis George W. Bush.
http://theweek.com/articles/655826/why-wont-anyone-admit-that-america-fighting-5-wars
And it’s only going to get worse.
You are seriously overestimating the American people on this. The wars are not being talked about because very few give a shit as long as Americans aren’t the ones dying on their TV screens.
It’s a core issue for you but not the majority.
This!
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That’s right… this sort of thing just isn’t a core issue.
“U.S. and Minnesota flags are flying at half-staff until sunset Saturday in honor and remembrance of Army Staff Sergeant Adam S. Thomas. Thirty-one-year-old Thomas died Oct. 4 in Nangarhar Province, Afghanistan, from injuries caused by an improvised explosive device.
Staff Sgt. Thomas attended elementary school in the St. Peter area and was a 2007 graduate of St. Olaf College in Northfield. He is survived by his wife, Mackenzie, and parents, Dr. Will and Candace Thomas of Marshall.”
No one cares about this either.
“Two Americans, a service member and a civilian, were shot and killed Wednesday by an Afghan wearing a military uniform at a base near Kabul, according to the U.S. and Afghan officials.
Three other Americans, a service member and two civilians, were wounded, officials said. They were reported hospitalized in stable condition.
It wasn’t immediately clear if the so-called “insider attack” involved a Taliban sympathizer, a personal dispute or a cultural misunderstanding.
As long as you are comfortable…
You can continue blaming everyone else who agrees with you but realizes that they can’t just pull the plug on Empire, or you can start working on the people who aren’t paying attention at all, because they’re busy looking down at their phones instead of up at the world around them.
See which one works better.
I agree with your assessment. Of course Americans are content to stand by why the government kills whomever the deem a threat. Kinda like the they don’t care if cops kill citizens.
I’m not sure it is possible for me to overestimate the nature of the US public. The banality of evil…