Donald Trump:
Did China ask us if it was OK to devalue their currency (making it hard for our companies to compete), heavily tax our products going into their country (the U.S. doesn’t tax them) or to build a massive military complex in the middle of the South China Sea? I don’t think so!
The very good and very smart James Fallows, author of an excellent piece on China in the Atlantic, writes:
Becoming actually dangerous.
Chinese could write off TW call as ignoramus blunder. Now he’s digging in.
(& CN now holding curr UP, not down)
There are similar reactions from Jon Favreau and others.
Here is the problem. Someone wrote an op end last February:
we need to crack down on currency manipulation – which can be destructive for American workers. China, Japan and other Asian economies kept their goods artificially cheap for years by holding down the value of their currencies.
That of course, was Hillary Clinton. And on March 4th – IN DETROIT she said:
Hillary Clinton redoubled her vow to confront China and other nations over currency manipulation on Friday, telling a rally in Detroit that she wants to use new ways to fight a practice that she said harms American workers.
I will expand the ways we respond to currency manipulation, to include effective new remedies like duties and tariffs,” Clinton said. She named China as a chief culprit of the practice but said other countries must also be prevented from gaining an unfair price advantage.
The New York Times noted the similarity in their positions and then said something very very true:
Presidential candidates vow every four years to do more to help American workers facing competition from abroad. After taking office, they have consistently pursued more conciliatory trade policies toward China, seeing a strategic benefit to warm relations with Beijing.
And this is unquestionably true. Barack Obama promised, after all, to re-open NAFTA during the Ohio primary in 2008. More recently, his Treasury Department found China was not manipulating its currency.
Writing last year Krugman agreed with the Treasury Department.
So here is the gaping contradiction. Democratic candidates in the last two open cycles promised to “get tough” on trade. It is highly probably that neither one of them meant it.
In both Clinton and Obama’s case it was more a case of wanting to be sympathetic to those effected by trade.
Which is why some elites I have been reading are so aghast.
Trump looks like he may actually try to do something about it
Let’s take a step back. This is from the liberal EPI on the Clinton Administraion’s arguments for passage of a bill allow China to join the WTO:
the Clinton Administration is confidently forecasting that the huge U.S. trade deficit with China will improve if Congress accords China permanent normal trade relations (PNTR) in order to accommodate Beijing’s membership in the World Trade Organization (WTO). President Clinton claims that the recently signed trade agreement with China “creates a win-win result for both countries” (Clinton 2000, 9). He argues that exports to China “now support hundreds of thousands of American jobs,” and that “these figures can grow substantially with the new access to the Chinese market the WTO agreement creates”
Hmm. Well
Trade deficit with China, 2000: 83.3 Billion.
Trade deficit with China 2015: 357 Billion
Heckuva job forecasting there, Bill.
It is worth going back and reading EPI’s take – they were far more accurate in predicting the future.
Last year they noted:
As earlier EPI research has shown, trade with China between 2001 and 2011 displaced 2.7 million workers, who suffered a direct loss of $37.0 billion in reduced wages alone when re-employed in non-traded industries in 2011 (Scott 2013). In addition, the nation’s 100 million non-college educated workers suffered a total loss of roughly $180 billion due to increased trade with low-wage countries. These indirect wage losses were nearly five times greater than the direct losses suffered by workers displaced by China trade, and the pool of affected workers was nearly 40 times larger (100 million non-college-educated workers versus 2.7 million displaced workers)
Perhaps the single most revealing quote on elites and trade comes from Joseph Stiglitz:
Large segments of the population in advanced countries have not been doing well: in the US, the bottom 90% has endured income stagnation for a third of a century. Median income for full-time male workers is actually lower in real (inflation-adjusted) terms than it was 42 years ago. At the bottom, real wages are comparable to their level 60 years ago.
Read that again.
And the money paragraph:
Under the assumption of perfect markets (which underlies most neoliberal economic analyses) free trade equalizes the wages of unskilled workers around the world. Trade in goods is a substitute for the movement of people. Importing goods from China – goods that require a lot of unskilled workers to produce – reduces the demand for unskilled workers in Europe and the US.
This force is so strong that if there were no transportation costs, and if the US and Europe had no other source of competitive advantage, such as in technology, eventually it would be as if Chinese workers continued to migrate to the US and Europe until wage differences had been eliminated entirely. Not surprisingly, the neoliberals never advertised this consequence of trade liberalization, as they claimed – one could say lied – that all would benefit.
The failure of globalization to deliver on the promises of mainstream politicians has surely undermined trust and confidence in the “establishment.”
When Stiglitz says neo-liberals misled, I think he is being accurate. I don’t actually think the Clinton Administration believed their own numbers in 1999 – no one else did and certainly the experience with NAFTA suggested the opposite result would occur.
They did so because they believed it was in humanity’s interests to integrate China into the World, and that there were other reasons for building a relationship with China.
I believe they consciously decided that the effect on wages was outweighed by those larger advantages.
I do NOT believe they ever expected the effect to be as large as it has proven to be.
I was in China last month. To deny that free trade with China has not had a role in lifting millions out of poverty is absurd. But there has been a price that elites did not listen to.
It was inevitable that there was going to be a confrontation with China over Trade. It would have been much better for the World if Clinton or Obama had had that confrontation. Trump is hardly the person I want wading into a VERY complicated situation.
But in the end Trump isn’t doing different than Clinton promised to do.
And that creates an incredible problem for Democrats.
For me, Autor et al is not about what we got right in trade theory, but what we got wrong. Spectacularly wrong:
The importance of location for evaluating trade gains depends on how long it takes for regional adjustment to occur. A presumption that US labor markets are smoothly integrated across space has long made regional equilibration the starting point for welfare analysis. The US experience of trade with China makes this starting point less compelling. Labor-market adjustment to trade shocks is stunningly slow, with local labor-force participation rates remaining depressed and local unemployment rates remaining elevated for a full decade or more after a shock commences. The persistence of local decline perhaps explains the breadth of public transfer programs whose uptake increases in regions subject to rising trade exposure. The mobility costs that rationalize slow adjustment imply that short-run trade gains may be much smaller than long-run gains and that spatial heterogeneity in the magnitudes of the net benefits may be much greater than previously thought. Using a quantitative theoretical model, Caliendo et al. (2015) find that in the immediate aftermath of a trade shock, constructed to mimic the effects of growth in US imports from China, US net welfare gains are close to zero. The ultimate and sizable net gains are realized only once workers are able to reallocate across regions to move from declining to expanding industries. Establishing the speed of regional labor-market adjustment to trade shocks should capture considerably more attention from trade and labor economists.
The speed of regional labor market adjustment to shocks is agonizingly slow in any area that lacks a critical mass of population. Rural and semi-rural areas remain impacted by negative shocks for at least a decade, but often longer. Relative to life spans, in many cases the shocks might as well be permanent.
(http://economistsview.typepad.com/timduy/2016/12/desperately-searching-for-a-new-stretegy.html)
Historically, the recipe for economic colonization (which our elites enabled for our skilled blue-collar workers) is trade barriers, no? How we will rebuild that knowledge base is a question though.
An article…points out that free trade encourages the relocation of multinational manufacturing sites from developed countries to poorer nations with much lower costs. The article argues that wealth in a poor country could be created more rapidly if the economy was based locally rather than on a system heavily dependent on exports, with investments and profits of exporting companies in the hands of foreign owners that limit the economic benefits to their workers and the host country.
(http://smallbusiness.chron.com/trade-vs-protectionism-3830.html) (IOW, created wealth is siphoned away.)
(Man, just try to search for an article on the benefits of trade barriers with the conventional search engines. LOL)
And how much credibility did the Dems have with Obama still pushing TTP for the lame duck, much less the overall history of the party in the last 30 yrs.
The Duy piece was really well done.
What is fascinating is to see the pundit inversion – with liberals now minimizing the problems with free trade.
This is very true:
http://economistsview.typepad.com/timduy/2016/12/desperately-searching-for-a-new-stretegy.html
“But people don’t want a welfare check. They want a job.”
Indeed! That cannot be emphasized enough. Pound it into the heads of policy makers.
(And a living wage from that job.)
Boy oh boy, is that last part crucial- a living wage.
The President’s executive orders and actions/decisions from his Administration have made some progress to give more workers the opportunity to receive living wages for their work. Monkey-wrenching and obstructive actions by the GOP Congressional Caucuses and radically conservative members of the Judiciary have torn down some, but not all, of what President Obama and his Agencies have done, and prevented him from accomplishing more.
Helping workers gain more disposable income improves the economy. It also saves money for and brings revenue to public budgets. And, of course, the Affordable Care Act has provided free or very low-cost health care to millions of workers with lower incomes.
A Clinton Administration would have done much more to bring more Americans a living wage and health benefits than the incoming Trump Administration will. So much was lost in this election result.
Bill Black’s third installment is all about pushing the fed gov as employer of last resort.
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2016/12/bill-black-jobs-jobs-jobs-not-austerity.html
But first, he has an unpleasant warning for us: Is this Pay-Go Nancy or not?
Black: “Millions of Democrats are salivating at the prospects of being able (again) to chortle at the hypocrisy of Republicans when it comes to austerity…Congressional Democrats are gleefully planning to trap Trump in a welter of demands for “revenue neutral” taxes (code for austerity) and “pay fors” (another code for austerity). The New Democrats are so eager to attack Trump’s “mountains of debt” that they are about to launch a new offensive against the working class in the New Democrats’ long war against the working class via economically and politically illiterate austerity.
And how will the Republicans respond? Enough will bend to Trump that they will likely do a major infrastructure program. Then the Republicans will confront the New Democrats with their own odes to austerity and “pay fors” and demand that the New Democrats make an analog to Sophie’s choice. Austerity demands budget cuts in other fields, so the Republicans will tell the New Democrats to choose which social program they are most desperate to preserve – and consign the other programs to death via austerity. In sum, the New Democrats are about to replay the same disastrous economic and political mistakes that have caused so much harm to Americans, particularly the working class, and gifted the presidency to Trump.”
New Dems are True Believers, as in this: December 5, 2016 New York Times editorial entitled “How to Help Working People”
Black: “The NYT editorial is so mixed up that it never mentions either the primary problem – the devotion to self-destructive austerity of New Democrats and Old Republicans – and never mentions the essential policy that would transform our economy and win the devotion of the working class to whatever party puts the policy in place. That policy is a dedication to permanent full employment by making the federal government the employer of last resort for any American who wants to and is able to work. Instead, the editorial focuses on a number of desirable policies to help workers who are already fully employed. Yes, most Americans who wish to work are employed and we should implement policies that help fully employed working class Americans. But tens of millions of Americans are classified as “underutilized” by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Many were so discouraged by the job markets that they dropped out of the work force. Worse, Americans in general and the working class in particular no longer believe that they have any meaningful job security – that our jobs could disappear without warning within months. The federal employer of last resort would transform the workplace by restoring job security.”
Long story short?
Sure.The New Republicans become the Old Democrats while the New Democrats become the Old Republicans.
Presto!!!
What’s old is new again, and the PermaGov maze continues unabated.
Nice.
Meanwhile, back at the Millenial Ranch:
Nice twice.
AG
Great diary, many thanks.
There may be an underlying fault line in Dem politics now over free trade, but it seems a rather silent one, as your links to HRC’s campaign rhetoric indicate. When the (ex?)-free trader is out blasting Chinese manufacturing and both sides push a (dubious) finance argument (Chinese currency manipulation in 2016) the fault line has become pretty hard to locate. We’re all against “free trade” now, ha-ha. Which Dems are going to openly stand up for the supposed benefits of free trade now? Schumer? Am I missing something? Hell, even the Repubs are running from the TPP. aren’t they?
There are irreversible decisions and allowing China to become a great manufacturing power (and hence evolve into a legitimate great power) was one of them. We act like this was something that evolved independently of the world’s plutocrats, finance wizrds and corporate interests, but the whole enchilada was advocated and planned by them, endorsed hook, line and sinker by the “conservative” movement and then taken up and ultimately enacted by the Great Triangulator Bill Clinton as you explain. How ANYONE could have thought that plutocrat and multinational corporate capital investing in China was going to aid creation of better paying jobs in America (or the trade deficit!) is inconceivable.
It was going to allow lower cost goods or inputs to be imported and sold in the big box doodad stores at lower prices—that was always going to be the principal “benefit” of the agreement, and it wildly succeeded in that. The particle-board suburban McMansions, Levittowns and trailers parks from sea to shining sea are now all crammed to the gills with crap, crap TrumpAmericans no longer have space to store! They don’t have jobs but they have crap, bought on ever-expanding credit, another critical component of the scheme. The crapification of America was always going to be the major “benefit”; claiming anything else was economic fraud in my view.
So the elites shattered the ongoing economic life of the country and now the serfs are up in arms. No one has any answer to the new economic reality that has been created. China not going back to per-capita dirt floor poverty, so now we’re just in the blame game. Incredibly, the Repub Party always seems able to evade accountability for everything it pulls, or it deflects the blame to its accomplices. And of course HRC was never going to be able to separate herself from her past free trade positions and was never going to be able to have a persusive “answer” on it.
The effect of all this free trading and increased “productivity” of course has been to further wreck the planet, as all the new lower-wage manufacturing powers are catastrophes for both their ecosystems and the world’s. The other little benefit of these various free trade agreements by the plutocrats was to make China the world’s leading CO2 emitter, although obviously the USA had held the title for the 50+ years before that. The Chinese are more amenable to addressing this issue than the US of A of course, but their massively increased CO2 level is the reality. Not that this is of much concern to the now-furious Trump voters, except as an argument why we should never do anything about the crisis, ha-ha. The question now is whether the coming China confrontation by the American Madman will turn into a cold war or a hot one. Views differ!
In the big picture we are all just waiting for half of the Greenland ice sheet(s) to slide off into the ocean one fine day. We’ll see how the world’s “markets” and currencies react to that one…..Heil Trump!
You write:
If they remain true to form they will try to market the ice as “MORE FRESH WATER!!! THE DROUGHT IS OVER!!!”
Watch.
AG
You pretty much have it right, fladem. There’s only one thing…
You write:
Shoulda been:
Y’see, Trump ran against the PermaGov, not the Dems. Where we are now is the fault of both parties. First we had Bush I, then Clinton I, then Bush II, then Obama (a stand-in for the…as proven recently…unelectable Clinton II, and now the string has been broken by someone who quite possibly may turn out to be be even worse.
Or better yet, given the rapidly falling wall of European multinationalist parties:
Stiglitz pinned it.
It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that one’s parents and/or grandparents were no better off than their children or grandchildren, despite the huge growth in the actual economies of these NATO alliance countries. It also doesn’t take a genius to see that the rich have grown obscenely more rich during that time.
Ross Perot warned us about this in 1992.
From the Ross Perot warned us about this in 1992:
The American people didn’t listen. They were still doing well enough not to pay attention. Ron Paul continued trying to tell people about the depth and seriousness of this ongoing scam, but he met the same media-powered nonpersoning fate as did Perot.
The media tried it on Trump…and then tried it and tried it and tried it some more…but he was too much of a “personality”: to be nonpersoned.
So it goes, and now here we jolly well are, aren’t we.
Many people have doubted that Trump has meant business with his continuing call-out of the (presently still multinationally-controlled) U.S. PermaGov and its economic policies, but they can stop doubting now. His first two international broadsides were aimed at the Pacific, at China in particular…a personal call to the Taiwanese leader followed by one to the Phillipines’ Duterte, who has been making big noises lately about allying with China. His other one was aimed at Mexico…the Carrier deal.
Now…Trump may well sell the U.S. out in other ways, but at least early in the game he is being very clear about his intentions. I firmly believe that he will “You’re FIRED!!!” any of his cabinet appointments if they resist this part of his plan.
Will it work?
Will it implode?
Will we go to war w/China?
Will he be impeached by the still hugely powerful PermaGov bloc?
Or worse?
I dunno.
I will ask you this one question:
Has Trump managed not to get blown up personally during his hugely successful career as a Reality TV superstar and (often mortally and legally sketchy career) as a business magnate?
I got an answer for that one!!!
Here he still is, folks. Still standing and gathering more power with every day that passes.
Get used to it.
It ain’t gonna end soon, and if it does end it ain’t gonna be pretty.
Watch.
P.S.
Sigh…
What is she…kiddin’ or what!!!
If that’s the best the PermaGov can muster in opposition to Trump?
He’s in for the duration.
Watch.
It’s not just rural whites who have been affected. It is just now reached the people who put Trump over the top, who previously were insulated from the pain.
Two Old Ladies in a Supermarket
And in regard to Hillary taking affluent Republican votes Two Men in a Doctor’s Office
Re-reading those I have to quote myself:
CNBC – Joe Biden predicts he will run for president in 2020, adds that he is not yet ‘committed’.
Well, if a 78 year old Biden is fixing to run in 2020, a 78 year old Sanders, and a 73 year old Clinton might as well also jump in. If the pool of DP presidential candidates gets much older, they’ll have to run their campaigns from an old folks home.
An old folks home.
Like…the Senate?
AG
The Senate was supposed to be “an old folks’ home.” Less physically taxing as they get a six instead of two or four year term in office. But, they were supposed to be wise old folks. Guess, ignorant, myopic, and stupid old folks in public office weren’t the norm in the days of the Founding Fathers.
For POTUS, I’d like to see more people to consider viewing candidates through a “Goldilocks” perspective. Not too young and not past the point of being physically and mentally too old. Bernie clearly had more physical stamina and mental agility than either Clinton or Trump even though he’s a few years old than them. He also didn’t have any handlers masking or covering up any physical or mental health issues. Still, his age may have been the factor enough voters used to prefer Clinton.
I never thought he could win in a beauty contest like the current presidential sweepstakes. Everyone who enters is subject to branding/typecasting by the media. The winners are typecasted as certain kinds of heroic (or anti-heroic) winners.
Bush II as Hud.
Clinton I as…I dunno…”Stud?”
Barack Obama as Denzel Washington.
Clinton II as…again, I dunno…Mama Knows Best? Some fictional female heroine.
Trump as The Joker.
Bernie Sanders? Maybe he might climb to Larry David popularity level as in “Curb Your Enthusiasm.”
Certainly not much further.
A supporting actor only.
Sorry, but there it is.
Now…this has nothing whatsoever to do with message, with moral uprightness, with anything other than sales.
Branding.
You cannot brand a Chevy Nova as a Mercedes how well you make it nor how much better it may be than the Mercedes in an objective, useable transportation sense. The U.S. public has been branded to within an inch of its life. Bet on it. The newest meme to cover this idea is “identity politics.” (Google search)
ike dat.
Ain’t enough grandmas, grandpas and wishing-for-the-old-days hipster/yupster kiddies to float that brand.
Bet on it.
Next?
Maybe Elizabeth Warren as Wonder Woman.
Let us pray…
AG