The 2017 presidential election. Somewhat more interesting to observe than the 2016 US presidential election. In that one there was only an early single twist from where it began and a quarter-turn at the end. The early shape had voters (not) looking forward to another Clinton v. Bush general election.
Then along came Mr. Trump who quickly leapfrogged over Mr. Bush and never gave up his lead from his baseline of 25% as he picked up a share of the support for the other candidates as they dropped by the wayside and then out.
It was easier for Mrs. Clinton than for Mr. Bush. In 2016, a majority of Democrats preferred to stick with the old guard. Perhaps a majority of the general electorate as well, except for but in a few key pockets. So, that was the quarter-turn at the end. After a seemingly interminable eighteen-month election cycle.
Approximately nine months ago, French voters were (not) looking forward to a rematch of their 2012 presidential election: Hollande v. Sarkozy. With the same major “also rans” in the first round. One modification. The French Republican political party had been reconstituted from UMP in 2012 to LR. I haven’t the vaguest idea what such a political party name rebranding means to French voters, but UMP had itself been a rebranding.
2012 general election – 1st round – (US-centric descriptors):
28.6% – PS/PRG – Hollande – (socialist)
27.2% – UMP – Sarkozy – (republican)
17.9% – FN – Le Pen – (vichy)
11.1% – FG – Mélenchon – (far left)
9.1% – MoDem – Bayrou- (center ???)
6.1% – Greens and others
Run-off:
Hollande 51.6%
Sarkozy 48.4%
A month before the first round, an Ipsos poll had it at:
28% Hollande
27.5% Sarkozy
16% LePen
13% Mélenchon
11.5% Bayrou
4% other
So, only minor jockeying among voters in the last few weeks.
Back to 2017. In August, a young member of Hollande’s government, Macron, resigned and started his own party (EM) and was given no chance. With his public approval numbers approaching zero, Hollande chose not to run for re-election. Sarkozy’s numbers within his party also began to drop. Only the LR and PS/PRG nominees had yet to be chosen, but there were leading candidates in both. The shape (order) of the general election began to look like this:
FN – LePen
LR – Juppé (Sarkozy possible)
EM – Macron
FG – Mélenchon
PS/PRG – Valls
MoDem – Bayrou
Then a darkish horse emerged in the LR primary, Fillon, and Juppe finished second with Sarkozy in third place. Fillon was commanding, 66.5%, in the run-off against Juppé. Social “conservatism” won.
The PS/PRG primary elections were held two months later. Another upset as the candidate polling in third place, Hamon, won both the first and second rounds. Hamon is from the left wing of the Socialist party.
One more change. MoDem, Bayrou, is still on the fence as whether or not to contest this election. The polling that has included MoDem puts them at about 5% in sixth place.
At of this point, the general election first round looks like this:
25% – FN – LePen
22% – LR – Fillon
21% – EM – Macron
15% – PS/PRG – Hamon
10% – FG – Mélenchon
3.5% -DLF – Dupont-Aignan (allied with UK IP – Farage in last election)
As Homan only secured the nomination on Sunday, the polling may be out of date. Another new wrinkle that’s only four days old is Penelopegate. Fillon’s wife has been earning a public salary (total €600,000) for what appears to have been a fake job. Now there’s more: François Fillon faces fresh claims over paying wife and children .
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On Tuesday, French anti-corruption police took the unusual step of searching offices in the Assemblée National after requesting authorisation from the speaker of the lower house.Investigators reportedly seized documents from the archives and from Fillon’s parliamentary office. France Inter radio suggested detectives were looking for Mrs Fillon’s employment contracts.
The raids came after police officers questioned the couple separately for five hours on Monday afternoon as part of a preliminary inquiry into alleged fraud and the misappropriation of public funds.
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Is this anything social “conservatives” mind when their guy does it? If French social “conservatives” do, who do they flock to? Or if they mind enough, whatever will Fillon and the LR do?
Le Pen has her own financial improprieties:
…the EU ordered her to refund €300,000 paid to European parliament aides – one of them her chief bodyguard – who, it is alleged, were employed on Front National party business. Le Pen has denied wrongdoing, but European officials have threatened to cut her monthly MEP’s salary by half and halt other allowances if she does not pay back the money. The Paris prosecutors office opened a fraud investigation at the European parliament’s request in December.
A couple of other notes. Younger and for lack of a better description, more stylish voters have put Macron in this race. Not clear if they understand the import of this:
He left [as an Inspector of Finances in the French Ministry of Economics in 2008] to work as an investment banker at Rothschild & Cie Banque. While at Rothschild, he closed a high-profile deal between Nestlé and Pfizer, which made him a millionaire.
IOW, Macron is “business friendly.”
What appears to have helped Hamon were the debates, and he became stronger in the second and third ones. He won the first round election with 36% and the run-off with 58.7%. And apparently, some Socialist Party MPs are really pissed. (Did they overlook the polls showing Valls in single digits for the general election?) The hill Hamon has to climb just got steeper.
From Politico on Fillon’s candidacy/campaign.
Looks as if LR is stuck with Fillon or nobody if he is forced to step down. Other concerns:
A flip-flopper before the general election.
So far his supporters, heavily skews towards senior citizens, are dismissing the fraud allegations. They view Fillon as an honest politician.
That sounds depressingly familiar.
Yes it does.
Will be interesting to see how much, if any, impact this has on Fillon. He had been polling near UMP/LR’s 1st round performance in 2012. He’s down a few points in the last two polls and these were taken before there could have been much awareness of his wife’s sinecure.
Thanks for reading — expected this diary to drop down with zero comments and recs.
The Independent – Majority urge Francois Fillon to quit race as corruption police raid Senate
Thomas Piketty on the charismatic Macron
Appreciate Piketty saying is like it is.
So is the worry for Marcon that he gets attacked for being as responsible for the disaster as Hollande?
Who’s worry?
It’s absolutely the task of Hamon, Mélenchon, and the other candidates to get the Hollande mud to stick to Macron. Where it does belong.
The equation was different for Macron when he entered the race. Hollande or his sidekick would be saddled with what his administration has done. That would have left Macron free to espouse a new economics — away from all those old policies that cause so much trouble today. IOW a mash-up of Thatcher-Blair or Reagan-Clinton. For a young guy Macron is peddling what is no old crap that has been tried and found wanting. However, French voters may not have heard the pitch before and are currently being seduced by it.
Marie3, I was hoping you’d quote the headline of the linked article. I chuckled when I read “grosses conneries”, something that doesn’t translate so easily :-0
Always prefer to quote a speaker that I have some respect for instead of a headline written by someone else. Plus, even with my less than rudimentary French, I didn’t need a translator for it. But the headline is fair enough.
Latest poll on wikipedia (taken during the second round of PS primary and in the days when the Fillon scandal started) has:
Le Pen 25%
Fillon 21-22%
Macron 20-21%
Hamon 13-15%
Melenchon 10%
Depending on if Bayrou runs. The trends are encouraging, Fillon is decreasing, Hamon is increasing. Melenchon is decreasing too, but as french speaking contributors over at european tribune has convinced me, he is disliked by to many to have a chance.
Anybody beats Le Pen in the second round as she is disliked too. So the trick is for Hamon to get to the second round.
I would place Bayrou as centre, I think his thing is to try and carve out a space between the two big ones. In 2007 he placed third with 18.6%, so he is or has been a serious candidate. I don’t see why he would run now if he waited this long. Perhaps if Macron or Fillon collapses he might see a space.
I refrained from any speculative projections in the diary because it would easy for me to get cocky after having perceived that Hamon would win his nomination and therefore, I would lose the objectivity required to perceive actual trends.
I did note that Bayrou and the MoDems have been on a downward trend since 2007. Reminds me of the UK Lib-Dems. Agree that he stays out this time unless Fillon rapidly collapses. From the polls, couldn’t detect a beneficiary when MoDem isn’t included.
Melanchon is currently back down to that 10% party base. He did endorse Hollande in the 2012 runoff.
Thanks for a good summary of something I hadn’t been closely following.
It was so much easier when the PS, the Communists, the Republicans and the far right were the main parties.
The Assumption I have read is the left will not make the second round, and as a result Macron will get their support. Macron has been described to me a neo-liberal in sheeps closing, but enough of an internationalist to bridge the divide.
It’s all pretty confusing – I posted the NYT article last weekend talking about parallels between Trump and Le Pen, but FN has been around for far longer than Trump.
The collapse of the socialists after Brexit and Trump scare the hell out of me. The established center-left parties are all being destroyed by the fallout from the financial crisis and the inability to create job growth.
But that hasn’t changed. And generally there’s always someone/something waiting in the wings to take advantage of some space that opens up between the parties. The mythical center where the moderate majority really lives is to phantom US/UK parties and candidates keep chasing.
No, the left is also having trouble in many countries like Spain and Germany where the right is running the show and taking the blame for economic performance. In most countries the problem is more of a unbridged gap between hard leftists who want drastic alterations to society and center-leftists who want to sand the rough edges off “standard” mildly regulated market capitalism. My metaphor is that the Jacobins and the Girondists are chopping each other’s heads off before they kick the monarchists to the curb, and it’s not working. Well, not working for us; it’s working pretty well for the other side.
In Germany the right is running the show with the social democrats as junior partners because the social democrats preferred in 2013 not to try a red-red-green three party government with the greens and the left.
In Spain, the case is more complicated with the regional parties and the possible independence of Catalonia. However, the main factors are social democrats support collapsing after they ran austerity policies and it was the social democrats who turned down Podemos offer of coalition together with the regional parties after the election 2015, leading to the inconclusive election of 2016. Then the social democrats overthrew their party leader and let a right wing minority government rule.
Agreed; that’s exactly my point. In both cases a leftist plurality can’t rule because of leftist splits. It’s the center-leftists who are at fault there rather than the hard leftists, but the split is the problem. It’s a chronic problem with leftist politics all the way back to the French Revolution, so I guess there’s no easy solution, but it’s still a problem.
I wish there were a different way to refer to Marine LePen and the National Front than “far right”, because LePen and the National Front are positively socialist by US standards when it comes to the social safety net. They just don’t want those benefits going to people they deem non-French, such as Muslims.
As an aside, I happened to be in France on a sabbatical/foreign assignment in the fall of 2011 and got some flavor of French politics. Indeed, I watched the news regularly as a way to improve my listening skill with French. The town where I was based was once a Communist stronghold owing to unionized heavy industry, and more recently has been a Socialist stronghold. (The French academics I interacted with all seemed to be Socialist.) And oddly enough, there’s a road called l’avenue de Union Sovietique.
Vichy seems apt enough to me.
Forgot to mention there, I haven’t tracked the recent twists in the French presidential race. Evidently you’re reading some French political press, so I would be interested to read your thoughts about how things will work out when someone advances to the 2nd round as LePen’s opponent. Another “anyone but LePen” moment as when the old man ran against Chirac?
I don’t know if the UK and US press is parroting the French press or if they have knowledgeable correspondence on the ground. But they all seem to agree that Le Pen will finish first and then go on to lose the run-off. The media also seems to be rooting for Macron to be the winner.
Only one pollster is reporting numbers since Fillon’s scandal surfaced and Hamon won the primary, but it’s polling with MoDem in the race. So far, neither Le Pen nor Macron has gained from Fillon’s slow slide. May not know until the end of this month if Fillon is a contender and whether MoDem is in.
I’d be cautious in likening a Fillon v. Le Pen run-off to Chirac v. Le Pen. But the French general electorate has a very different relationship and memory to Le Pen’s racism than Americans, and anybody but Le Pen may always win.