Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer stated that he will filibuster Neil Gorsuch, and I guess the next step is to try to figure out what that means. If he can count the votes in his own caucus, it means that Gorsuch cannot be confirmed without the Republicans taking extraordinary measures:
“If this nominee cannot earn 60 votes — a bar met by each of President Obama’s nominees, and George Bush’s last two nominees — the answer isn’t to change the rules. It’s to change the nominee,” [Schumer] said.
Last Wednesday, I laid out a strategy that the Democrats should pursue that corresponds fairly well, although not perfectly, with what I’m seeing from Schumer now. On the positive side, he’s pointing out that it’s the president’s responsibility to nominate someone who has broad bipartisan support, and if Gorsuch isn’t that nominee then Trump should go back to the drawing board rather than ask the Senate to change its rules so that Supreme Court judges can be confirmed with a simple majority.
On the negative side, the emphasis from Schumer is a little too much on Gorsuch as a person and not enough on the principle that the Democrats should have been consulted about who would be an acceptable nominee who could win over a substantial number of their caucus.
One of the challenges the Democrats have to figure out is how to address this:
“If Judge Gorsuch can’t achieve 60 votes in the Senate, could any judge appointed by a Republican president be approved with 60 or more votes in the Senate?” Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said this week.
The way to answer that is to say emphatically that the answer is ‘yes,’ but that the Democrats will be the ones to tell you which judges can get 60 votes in the Senate, and the Republicans better get their nominee all but pre-approved before they come back with another candidate. Schumer should be saying, over and over again, that he is willing to sit down with Trump and discuss acceptable names for the Court, but if he and the the Democrats on the Judiciary Committee are not consulted in that manner, there will be no votes for any nominee other than Merrick Garland.
Schumer can’t prevent the Republicans from changing the rules. But he can make it politically painful for them to do so. If he bases his opposition to Gorsuch primarily on Gorsuch’s record or performance in the hearings, he’ll be making it easy for McConnell to make the argument that no Republican nominee would be acceptable. But if he insists that many Republicans would be acceptable, but the Dems must be consulted, then blowing up the rules just to avoid consultation will look extreme.
That’s not an outcome Schumer can really control anyway except by capitulation. There are many Republican senators who absolutely do not want to eliminate the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees. That doesn’t mean they can’t be convinced to do it, but there’s at least some hope that it will prove more difficult than many anticipate.
Schumer seems to have rallied his caucus. I base that assessment on the fact that I don’t think he’d be staking out this ground if his troops weren’t lined up. He can afford to lose seven Democrats on a filibuster vote, but not eight. He can set vulnerable Dems like Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Joe Manchin of West Virginia free to vote to end the filibuster of Gorsuch without any worry. Pro-life Democrat Bob Casey Jr. of Pennsylvania is already on the record saying he will filibuster Gorsuch, so there aren’t any obvious cracks in the resolve right now.
But, as I said, beating Gorsuch isn’t the point, just as beating Robert Bork wasn’t the point. The point is to get a more moderate Justice, not to just keep filibustering every nominee that Trump’s sends down Pennsylvania Avenue. They need to be very clear that they’ll confirm someone, eventually, provided that they have a big say in who that someone is.
Schumer: very good news – I like how the Supremes “voted against” G – even Thomas!
No vote as long as Trump is under FBI investigation
I’d like this to be the line on every bit of congressional business. Provides cover for complete opposition to every facet of the winger agenda while keeping Trump’s treason front-and-center in the media.
The public is coming around to understand the illegitimacy of this presidency. The Democrats should bank on that and oppose any lifetime appointments until the investigation is closed and Trump is cleared. (Which will never happen.)
Thank you, Newt Gingrich.
In general process arguments in politics are losing arguments.
Suggesting that we sit down with Trump does not strike me as a winning argument.
You hammer the nominee. Ginsburg was beaten because he smoked pot. Bork was beaten by a relentless campaign against his stated positions. Meiers was beaten because doubts were raised about her credentials.
If Schumer isn’t just blowing smoke, this nominee is already defeated in the traditional sense. The object is to:
My strategy is aimed at those goals, since holding his caucus in line seems to be working.
The days of 98-0 votes on Supreme Court Nominations are gone.
A close vote on a nomination would have been a political win for the opposition in the past. Those days are no more. The battle for the Court is a battle for raw power pure and simple.
It is heartening to see Schumer hold his caucus – it is a very positive sign. The truth is Gorsuch is a pretty good pick and he would have peeled Dems off in another time.
The goal has to be to defend constitutional principle. Articulate the grounds for this battle and the one to come. The Bork nomination was fought on these grounds.
Gorsuch is dodging on substantive due process. This is the lesson from the Bork nomination, who in quite explicit terms said that substantive due process did not exist. Since then conservative nominees have lied about their beliefs by saying “it’s precident”, a meaningless statement, and saying they hadn’t reached a final conclusion about Roe.
No sentient person could possibly believe that a Court of Appeals judge does not have an opinion on Roe. Fire must be focused on the lie being told.
The argument I would make: refusal to answer the question on Roe is an affront to the Senate and an attempt to deny the Senate its constitutional role.
It’s also perjury.
If Republicans would have seated Garland I could see Democrats voting for Gorsuch, at least some of them, but I guess they reap what they sow in this case
None of that matters.
You can state your opinion that Gorsuch isn’t so bad and someone else with a different opinion or different priorities can say he’d be worse than Alito.
But, you’re kind of making my point, which is this isn’t about defeating this particular nominee, because alternatives will likely be as bad, worse, or nearly so.
This is about principles, but not the ones you stated. It’s about the Democrats exercising their power as best as they can to protect the people of this country and in particular their constituents and base.
The way to do that is to try to force the nomination of a nominee that they can actually approve, under the circumstances. So, it’s about trying to stake out parameters under which confirmation can take place at this time and in this environment, without eliminating the filibuster. And that’s only tangentially related to Gorsuch.
Nope. You are wrong.
This isn’t about process. If the caucus holds it will because pressure is brought to bare as a result of concern about people’s constitutional rights.
The Dems have to be scared of the base.
The base cares not one good goddam about the process.
It cares about the rights put in jeopardy.
You have the argument upside down because you are thinking about the politics upside down.
Have to disagree with you strenuously. We can’t keep a Justice off the Court for four years.
So, we either force a much more moderate Justice, we live with Gorsuch or we get a replacement as bad or maybe worse.
And, if they force Gorsuch on us, at least they’ll have done it not because we refuse to confirm anyone, but because they refused to consult with us.
Consultation should be required but I don’t believe it will matter. They aren’t going to let an opportunity like this one pass them by. Thus, 60 votes or GTFH.
Just out of curiosity, not being snarky, but an honest question that I don’t know the answer to:
Did Obama consult with the Senate Republicans on Garland? And they subsequently double-crossed him by not holding a vote? Or did he consult and they said he was unacceptable and he nominated him anyway? Or did they say “screw you, nobody YOU name is acceptable?”.
I ask, because they have great bearing now that the shoe is on the other foot. And I don’t care if we have eight justices for the next four years. There’s a quorum. there is no Constitutional crisis”. AFAIK, seven justices is OK too.
Several Republicans publicaly accused Obama of naming some flaming far left liberal and that they probably couldn’t confirm them on those grounds. Orrin Hatch named Merrick Garland by name as someone he could accept, but that Obama wouldn’t do it. Obama called their bluff.
Well, that sounds like informal negotiation and the (R)’s reneged by not holding hearings, so “tit for tat”.
You don’t understand.
Less than an hour after Scalia was reported as dead, Mitch McConnell announced that no possible nominee would considered.
Obama had no opportunity to consult.
What he did, which was the best he could do under the circumstances, was he named the guy that some important Republican senators said would be acceptable.
Less than an hour after Scalia was reported as dead, Mitch McConnell announced that no possible nominee would considered.
Obama had no opportunity to consult.
What he did, which was the best he could do under the circumstances, was he named the guy that some important Republican senators said would be acceptable.
That’s the problem. He tried to appease Orrin Hatch and a couple of others knowing Yertle the Turtle would never even allow a hearing. But then I wonder if other judges were asked and they all decided against being nominated given Yertle the Turtle’s statement.
The White House didn’t even contact Hatch? They went with a reported remark? I’m guessing Hatch was the committee chair. He could have held hearings even if McConnell wouldn’t allow a floor vote. Otherwise he should have kept his mouth shut.
So democrats are entitled to pay back.
Grassley was/is the committee chair of Judiciary.
Even worse for Obama to act on Hatch’s word, knowing that Hatch had no power.
Point is that Obama knew that he should appoint someone acceptable to many Republican senators, and he did.
And I didn’t just come up with this now:
Why the Left is Wrong About Merrick Garland
by BooMan
Thu Mar 17th, 2016 at 12:43:20 PM EST
In terms of the last half, yes, the appointment made sense, politically. In fact, it was politically shrewd.
In response to the first half, I don’t care is someone is a green Martian. And WASP’s have been enemies of me from the beginning. (note of “me”, not of “mine”)
But I could care less about racial/ethnic/gender/sexual orientation/regional balance on the Supreme Court. I care about the nominee’s view of the Constitution, judicial history, and their general humanity. In regard to the latter, if we believe Anita Hill (on which I’m neutral), Clarence Thomas was unqualified even if he was the second coming of John Marshall or Louis Brandeis. And yes, for a US Justice to knowingly employ a person breaking the immigration law and failing to pay social security taxes is reason enough to not only not nominate them, but to impeach and disbar them. Judges must be like Caesar’s wife.
Nothing…absolutely nothing the Democrats do is correct enough to support, is pure enough to be a good strategy, is to the left enough to be good politics.
Filibuster him…’what does that accomplish?’
Don’t filibuster him…’look at the spineless democrats!’.
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To whom?
To the shitheads we waste far too much time on.
Someone named Merrick Garland, maybe.
Assuming Gorsuch doesn’t make it through (though I believe he will), that would actually be a smart move, disarming any Democratic opposition and getting a centrist justice that could be sold to much of the right as an acceptable win — it was the lame duck appointing Garland, not the judge’s qualifications per se, that required GOP refusal to consider him, after all, right? — and to the MSM as a shining example of bipartisan outreach and presidential behavior by the administration.
So of course it will never happen.
No, they are too dumb.
The “failure to consult” is what Dems pitch to the 3-4 Repubs who might dissent on blowing up the filibuster. When you are deeply outnumbered, the first task is simply to win the current skirmish…
As for a message for (largely meaningless) public consumption, “Repubs can’t be allowed to steal a Dem seat”, or “electoral college Trump has no mandate for yet another judicial extremist” or “no lifetime supreme court justices for potentially criminal prezes” or “not another 50 year old rightwing extremist for 35 years of social conservatism and vote suppression” are more than adequate. We have a surfeit of messages. Just pick one.
Hilariously, it now appears the senate filibuster rules are pro-majoritarian, given the number of Blue Staters voting for Dems in the era of McConnell’s Monsters. This causes one to scratch one’s head a bit as to whether it is good long term policy to advocate that the profoundly anti-democratic senate should dispense with another anti-democratic procedural device….
There should not be Republican seats or Democratic seats. It’s not supposed to be a political job.
Earl Warren was a Republican appointed by a Republican President, but he wasn’t a Republican Supreme Court Justice. He was an American SC Justice.
Not a single vote. For anyone other than Garland. Make them earn the 60 votes or make them own blowing up the filibuster. They own the government now. Make them really OWN the results.
there will be 2 or 3 Dems who vote to to end the filibuster but not enough to end it on this vote
My sense is that this is only a stall to make sure that Gorsuch doesn’t get to hear any cases until September. His confirmation will be a bargaining chip for some other issue in the fairly near future. The Dems, I think, don’t have much argument against this particular nominee — other than what McConnell did in 2016 re: Garland.
If that’s really what they’re thinking, then Democrats really are a bunch of pussies.
And they’re going to unleash unholy hell amongst their base. Unholy hell.
And your argument is?
I haven’t been following the hearings too closely, but he didn’t seem that bad for a Republican nominee. You can’t expect him to vow to defend Roe with his last breath. It’s enough that he said Roe is settled law instead of wrong decision as I remember some nominee saying,. Possibly Bork?
tell me what’s unacceptable about him (for a Republican nominee) other than Dems are still pissed off that Trump beat Clinton. If it’s that Dems are pissed off that Garland didn’t get his chance to be voted down, then that’s OK. He was treated shamefully. But not if it’s crybabies crying for lost Camelot.
In unanimous decision, Supreme Court raises bar for special education (+video)
When you’re too far to the right for Justice Clarence Thomas, you’re far enough out there NASA wants to have a word with you over your secrets of faster than light travel.
Well, I never thought I’d live to see the day when Senate Dems would finally use all that dry powder they’ve been hoarding for decades.
There is no “then what”. Plus, it doesn’t matter how Schumer came to this point as long as he’s at that point.
Per other comments, if that blows up the filibuster, so be it. We’re in a new age of politics with Twitler in the WH so we should start playing by different rules.
“Well, I never thought I’d live to see the day when Senate Dems would finally use all that dry powder they’ve been hoarding for decades.”
it ain’t over yet. Still more chances for Dem senators to tuck their tails between their legs. They have had plenty of practice.
Largely on board with you here except I do think the Dems should fili any GOP nominee but simply lie their asses off about it. You dont pay a political price for SCOTUS and its hard to see even a party as fucked as Democrats going below 40.
Let’s begin with the basics. If the Democrats didn’t filibuster Gorsuch, they’d make it clear to everyone except maybe themselves that they’re less than worthless. They would reward the outrageous behavior of the Republicans around Garland without extracting any price whatsoever. Might as well just hang a “kick me” sign around their necks.
So thank God they’ve figured out this much. I don’t really expect more than that. Yes, the Republicans will kill the filibuster and anoint Gorsuch. Yes, they won’t pay a price with Independents. Just par for the course. At least Democrats won’t fuck their own base.
If we can do better, I’m all ears. I’m doubtful a picture can be painted that pressures Republicans to fear their left flank more than their right. But I see no reason not to try. Even if there’s a 10% chance of success, why not try? So good for you, Booman — show us the way. I hope Congressional staffers read this blog.
But Democrats already hate Trump and his nominees, and Republicans don’t care about the stolen SCOTUS seat.
(Gawd I just had to write that to see if Booman notices😃)
A little late, but filibuster is the right move. Whatever the outcome, it shows Schumer’s listening to his base. The caucus can cover Manchin, Heitkamp, McCaskill, Tester maybe 2 other necessary defections and the filibuster will hold unless or until Yertle McTurtle goes nukular. And the honorable terrapin from Kentucky really, really doesn’t want to lose the filibuster. For us, loss of the filibuster will only cover SCOTUS appointments, not legislation like the TrumpCare, So “keeping the powder dry” was always a lame excuse and hopefully, Schumer understands that now. I just don’t see how the present Republican caucus could consult with Democrats on any SCOTUS appointment without being tarred and feathered by the Pepe button crowd. If Gorsuch is to be seated, make it cost them. Plus We’ll have the beginnings of a solid opposition to the fascists.
I think a filibuster would work, but for a different goal.
Trump doesn’t know Gorsuch from his dinner waiter. His name was put forward by his staff (probably with lots of help from Conservative groups), but still his staff. A Staff under counterintelligence investigation by the FBI. Staff that the FBI has said, as well as former prosecutor Schiff, could have direct evidence of collusion with the Russian State.
Can ANYTHING generated by that staff be seen as in the best interests of the US or of Russia?
Until the Admin is cleaned out and everyone (including Trump) is cleared, the argument could be made that anything coming out of the White House is suspect. Nominations, budgets, etc… Every proposal has to be met with, “What does Putin think of that?” Every policy proposal,”What’s the Kremlin’s opinion of that?” Loudly and in the Senate, House, Sunday shows.
This is not a stunt. Actions against the State Dept, EPA, cuts in Education, scientific research, …. all would benefit Russia and damage the US. Who proposed those cuts? Every act has to be examined through that lens. Publically.
And justified as to strengthening the US and confounding Russia. If not, then why not?
And make the GOP own every decision and how it helps Moscow. Not McCarthyism, but real Geo-politics.
If you are going to play hardball over a Supreme Court nominee, then throw at their heads.
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McCarthyism for sure. And a disaster in 2018. How many Senate seats up in 2018? Enough for a safe filibuster proof margin. How many House sears? Enough so that Ryan can tell the Freedom caucus where to go?
Democrats will be seen as the cause of nothing working in in Congress. Plenty of right wing billionaire money funding that. And Trump screaming it from the cell phones. If he’s still there. Better that some “crazed Muslim/Illegal/Feminazi” assassinates him and they ride his bones, along with the “do nothing Democrats” into permanent majority.
I’m not sure. I believe the GOP strategy has been to get as much passed before he gets bored, quits or some scandal takes him down. By then, the changes will be entrenched. The deep Russian ties are a surprise and resonates in the country, not to mention a big juicy story for the news/web. If you want to slow the changes or even reverse, tie the Admin to the Kremlin, staining ever act they do.
All with the added benefit of being demonstrably true. Trump is tied to Russia. The people surrounding him either opportunistically took advantage of loose money in Eastern Europe or have used political resources (and been used by them) to achieve goals in the US. With all the arrested or dead/injured Russians that may be linked to this effort, there could be real blood on their hands.
You can’t stop everything, the Democrats don’t have the numbers. But you can bring up and question the Russian connections with every motion in Congress. Then when it does come out, you ask during the next election, “Why did you support the Russian tool when there was so much evidence they were trying to damage the US?” And once again, its true, unlike Rove and campaigns after 9/11.
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I agree. I also think the hugely unpopular ACHA will act as a big drag on the GOP in the 2018 Senate races. These folks are not just unpopular on one front they are bad on many levels. Stick a knife in them anywhere possible, call out their lies and tie them all to Trump.
Schiff said that there is enough evidence for a “grand jury”
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/23/politics/adam-schiff-trump-russia-grand-jury/index.html
Schiff was former prosecutor who put FBI agent / Russian spy into prison. He has some experience.
Pressure is continuing to increase. With all the drips and links coming out (Page, Manafort, Cyprus, Mayflower Hotel meetings)..you can be sure law office phones are ringing. And the advice is, “first one to the FBI/Fed Prosecutor gets the best deal. Last one through the door gets a term in the pen.”
That is why the Congressional Pressure has to be kept up. Every move has to be tied to Trump and Moscow, because when he does fall, the Washington consensus will be to forget it and “move on”; for the good of the country. Just as it did for Watergate, Iran Contra, Iraq war fiasco/war crimes. And the same faces who were enabling Trump and the nest of cronies who sold out, will be doing the same for the next yahoo.
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Doing business with Russia is not the same as being a tool of Russia. Democrats used to want closer ties with Russia, more engagement. Now they have all turned into John Foster Dulles.
There is Russia and Putin.
Russia, as represented by Putin and his crew is a kleptocracy fueled by theft and violence. Are they that much different than countries run by drug cartels? No, but they have a huge military and nuclear weapons. Treat with caution and scorn, but not the respect they desire. Anyone doing business with them is like doing business with murderous cocaine regimes.
Attorneys flying out of windows, people dying in jail, poisoned, gunned down in the street.
And said business relationships need to be publically called out on it. And if the trail leads to Trump, Tillerson, and the people around them; then that should be pointed out as well. Loudly and often.
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And if the trail leads to the Clinton foundation or Goldman-Sachs or George Soros?
Then that’s where it goes. But what does the Kremlin have to gain by paying money to Clinton Fd. or Soros? HRC was there when sanctions (including oil biz sanctions) was started. Soros? don’t know enough of his biz to comment.
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