It is an easily documented fact that almost none of the major centrist media have thoroughly and honestly covered the obvious parallels between Jeremy Corbyn’s recent gains in the U.K. and Bernie Sanders’s less recent (and less positive) fate at the hands of the Democratic National Committee according to the Wikileaked emails from July and November of 2016…a very well documented set of facts that has never been denied by the DNC. The DNC actively and effectively opposed the whole Sanders movement. No matter who leaked those (I repeat…undenied by the DNC) emails and for whatever reasons, that fact remains salient.
Corbyn, on the other hand, had a Labour Party hierarchy that apparently either didn’t even effectively try to oppose him or at the very least did not do so effectively enough. He won…or perhaps better said made great strides towards winning…and Bernie Sanders lost.
There is a lesson to be learned here.
Read on for more.
Corbyn’s Lesson: Embrace Change We Need, in Counterpunch by Kevin Zeese and Margaret Flowers.
The shocking election result in the United Kingdom – the Conservatives losing their majority and the creation of a hung Parliament; and Jeremy Corbyn being more successful than any recent Labor candidate – cutting a 20 point Theresa May lead down to a near tie – gives hope to many that the global shift to the right, fueled by the failures of governments to meet the basic needs of their population and growing economic insecurity, may be ending.
Corbyn is a lifelong activist whose message and actions have been consistent. He presented a platform directed at ending austerity and the wealth divide and was openly anti-war. There are a lot of lessons for the Labor Party in the UK from this election but there are also lessons for people in the United States. We review what happened and consider the possibilities for creating transformative change in the United States.
The Corbyn Campaign Results
The Corbyn campaign showed that a political leader urging a radical progressive transformative agenda can succeed. Many in his own party, the neo-liberal pro-war Blairites, claimed Corbyn could not win, tried to remove him from leadership, and sabotaged and refused to assist his campaign.
Sound familiar? It should. Substitute “the neo-liberal pro-war Clintonites” in the above paragraph and you have an exact match for the DNC’s style of opposition to Sanders and its stated reasons as well.
More.
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“Here are the figures for Blair’s three wins. He got a 36 per cent share of the vote in 2005 – much less than Corbyn. He received a 41 per cent of the vote – about the same as Corbyn – in 2001. And Blair’s landslide victory in 1997 was secured on 43 per cent of the vote, just two percentage points ahead of Corbyn last night.
“In short, Corbyn has proved himself the most popular Labour leader with the electorate in more than 40 years, apart from Blair’s landslide victory in 1997.”
Bhaskar Sunkara, the founding editor of Jacobin, writes that Corbyn was not only campaigning against the Tories and Theresa May, but battling his own party – yet he still “won.”
Sound familiar again? It should, short of the “won” part.
Continue.
“This is the first election Labour has won seats in since 1997, and the party got its largest share of the vote since 2005 — all while closing a twenty-four point deficit. Since Corbyn assumed leadership in late 2015, he has survived attack after attack from his own party, culminating in a failed coup attempt against him. As Labour leader he was unable to rely on his parliamentary colleagues or his party staff. The small team around him was bombarded with hostile internal leaks and misinformation, and an unprecedented media smear campaign.”
“Every elite interest in the United Kingdom tried to knock down Jeremy Corbyn, but still he stands.”
“…an unprecedented media smear campaign.”
Now we are in Trump territory.
And U.S. media territory as well.
Change that last sentence above slightly, and what do you have?
“Every elite interest in the United States tried to knock down Donald Trump, but still he stands.”
Yup.
The Brits are beginning to see the truth of the matter. In the centrist media…the corporate-owned centrist media no matter whether it is ostensibly to the left or right of the controlling center…it is all false news, all of the time. And large parts of the electorate are voting…reflexively, but voting anyway…against what they are being told to do on every level by the major media.
Trump 101.
He understands this on a cellular level.
That’s why he ran the way he did, and that’s why he won.
It wasn’t the Russians who caused HRC’s loss, it was too much positive media coverage directed at her and way too much screaming, wanking and wonking negative media coverage of Trump.
Well, Zelda, I’ll tell ya what.
If they don’t like this Trump fella that
much, maybe he’s really onto something!!!
Further:
What can we learn regarding US politics?
Sunkara argues Corbyn demonstrated that a winning campaign strategy is “to offer hopes and dreams to people, not just fear and diminished expectations.” In current US terms that means it is insufficient just to oppose Trump, a positive vision for the future that shows what a candidate and party stand for is needed, e.g. it is not just enough to defend the failing Affordable Care Act and oppose the Republican’s American Health Care Act, you must stand for something positive: National Improved Medicare for All. This is one example of many.
Sunkara provides more detail:
“Labour’s surge confirms what the Left has long argued: people like an honest defense of public goods. Labour’s manifesto was sweeping — its most socialist in decades. It was a straightforward document, calling for nationalization of key utilities, access to education, housing, and health services for all, and measures to redistribute income from corporations and the rich to ordinary people.
“£6.3 billion into primary schools, the protection of pensions, free tuition, public housing construction — it was clear what Labour would do for British workers. The plan was attacked in the press for its old-fashioned simplicity — “for the many, not the few” — but it resonated with popular desires, with a view of fairness that seemed elementary to millions.
“The Labour left remembered that you don’t win by tacking to an imaginary center — you win by letting people know you feel their anger and giving them a constructive end to channel it towards. `We demand the full fruits of our labor,’ the party’s election video said it all.”
Corbyn showed how important it is to have the correct analysis on foreign policy. Twice during the campaign, the UK was hit by a terrorist attack. Corbyn responded by telling the truth: part of the reason for terrorism is the UK foreign policy, especially in Libya. He also opposed the use of nuclear weapons. The Conservatives thought these anti-war positions would hurt Corbyn, instead they helped.
This is even more true in the United States with the never ending wars the country is fighting. But, the unspeakable in the United States, as Paul Street calls it, is acknowledging that terrorism is conducted by the US. This taboo subject makes it hard for people to understand that the US is constantly committing acts of terrorism around the world, which lead to predictable blow back from US militarism, regime change and war. No elected official will tell these obvious truths, which the people of the United States would instinctively understand if they were voiced.
Although the U.S. is often portrayed as a `center-right’ nation and progressives are called extremists, the reality is that there is majority support for a progressive agenda. There is a developing national consensus in the United States for transformational change, and Bernie Sanders articulated some of that consensus, at least on domestic issues, in his run for president, but the problem is that U.S. elections are manipulated by the elites in power who make sure that their interests are represented by the winner
Sunkara ends his article on Corbyn saying “Also, Bernie Sanders would have won.” We do not know what would have happened in a Trump-Sanders election. The closest example may be McGovern’s 1972 campaign against Nixon which he lost in a landslide. In that campaign, the Democrats deserted their candidate, even the AFL-CIO and big unions did not support McGovern and Nixon demonized him in the media. Would Clinton-Democrats have stood with Sanders or would they have sabotaged him like the party did to McGovern?
“Would Clinton-Democrats have stood with Sanders or would they have sabotaged him like the party did to McGovern?”
I wonder.
They probably would have abandoned him if the Rats had run some centrist stooge like Bush III. But Trump changed all of that by sheer force of personality.
And of course…the kicker:
Despite their significant losses, the Democrats are still controlled by Clinton-Obama Wall Street and war neo-liberals as we saw in the recent DNC chair election where Clinton protégé, Tom Perez, was elected. We are not optimistic that the US can apply the Corbyn model within the Democratic Party because it has been a party representing the oligarchs from its origins as the party of plantation slave-owners.
The duopoly parties that represent Wall Street, war and empire will not allow voices that represent “the many, not the few” to participate in US elections. They shut them out whether they run as an insurgent inside a party, as people learned from the mistreatment of Bernie Sanders by the DNC, or if they run outside of the two parties. The bi-partisans make independent party runs nearly impossible with unfair ballot access laws, barriers to voter registration, secret vote counting on unverifiable election machines, exclusion from the debates and exclusion by the corporate media, who are in cahoots with the bi-partisans.
Yup.
It Comes Down to Building An Independent Mass Political Movement
We live in a mirage democracy with managed elections, as we describe in the article “Fighting for A Legitimate Democracy By and For the People,” on the long history of wealth dominating politics in the U.S.
Historically, transformations have occurred because of mass social movements demanding change and participating in elections through independent parties that have grown out of a movement with candidates from the movement (Corbyn has been involved in every anti-war movement, anti-apartheid, anti-austerity, pro-peace and human rights movements among others). Showing mass electoral support, even without winning, has resulted in significant changes – union rights, women’s voting rights, the eight-hour workday – indeed the New Deal came out of third party platforms. It is important to resist the duopoly parties in order to get to the root of the problems we face; as Patrick Walker explains, the “grassroots resistance must oppose Democrats as well as Trump.”
A broad and diverse social movement whose demands are articulated by an independent party platform has forced one of the two parties to capitulate to the movement or disappear. That still seems to be the most likely path to real change for the US.
Yup.
But…how likely?
Not very, given the plain fact that the Democratic Party will not “disappear” easily, given its huge financial support from the corporate center.
Corbyn teaches that we should embrace the radical transformational change that is needed, whether in elections or as a movement, to inspire people to take action and shift the realm of the possible. The people thirst for change as their economic situation becomes more insecure. There needs to be a movement that addresses that insecurity through a human rights lens, or else the insecurity will be channeled towards hatred and violence.
The key first step is to show the many, we are with them; that we are listening and acting consistent with their beliefs. Taking this correct first step, lights the path ahead of us.
Yes.
But…who are “we,” exactly?
That’s the next political question that will need to be asked and answered before a real path towards a representative democracy can be charted.
So far?
No practical third party shows any real signs of life and there is absolutely no real change in the Democratic Party. Schumer/Pelosi forces still rule the roost, using shadow-play puppets to disguise the truth of the matter.
Stay tuned.
May you be born(e) into interesting times.
AG
P.S. Read these while you’re at it.
and
The Resurrection of Jeremy Corbyn
At least some people appear to have a clue.
FDR was different, but FDR was from the mogul class and capitalism was in need of life support. FDR saved capitalism by reforming it.
I have this not from pundits but from my father and uncles who lived through that era as young men. They described street fighting between Nazis and Communists, not in Berlin, but in Chicago. Communist Party registration had peaked. I don’t know when the party was banned, TarHeelDem probably has the date on the tip of the tongue.
Because of the nature of the duopoly, radicals and liberals flocked to the Democratic Party. After Roosevelt’s death, they slowly faded away. Finally Clinton nailed the lid on the coffin of the reformed Democratic Party in 1999 with the repeal of Glass-Steagal. All the reforms were now dead except Social Security. Democrats worked hand in glove to kill that too, with taxes, chained-CPI, means testing…
The Democrats are back to their roots, the plutocrats.
The Republicans seemed to be coming back to their progressive roots, but their front runner, Donald Trump was no Lincoln or TR. Instead he was a pathological liar and cheap con man. The voters would be realizing that if the Eastern media weren’t so patently unfair to him and contemptuous of any voters making under $100K. So they double down behind their choice because they hate the obnoxious contemptuous contemptible MSM.
British campaigns last FIVE WEEKS. Candidates in each constituency are selected by the parties, not in primaries. Comparing this overall situation to an American electoral campaign is frankly fatuous.
In the era when Blair led Labour to three straight wins (1997, 2001, 2005), there was a 3rd party, the LibDems, who routinely won 15 pct or more. They have collapsed. The UK outside of N. Ireland is now effective a two party state. BOTH Labour and Conservatives increased their share of popular vote.
To be more precise, it is ENGLAND, with 85 pct of the British population, that now functions effectively as if it has only two political parties. The Celtic fringe is more complex.
So you are essentially saying that there is no relationship between the Sanders throat-sllitting by the DNC and the rise of a candidate who was saying essentially the same things as was Sanders post-Trump/post the decline of trust in the false news efforts of the major centrist media?
That they are as different ballgames as are baseball and cricket?
We shall see, JDW.
Soon.
I think that you don’t know what you are talking about, myself. The electorates of both countries are gradually growing ever wiser regarding the whole media-enforced electoral fix mechanism that has been in place for decades in both countries. The more it fails to produce societal and economic balance in the two countriies…and elsewhere as well… the more it will come into disrepute.
Watch.
AG
Oh JDW knows what he’s saying — he’s a neoliberalcon shill.
Sorry AG, Sanders didn’t lost because of the DNC, as awful as they were.
You write:
Prove it.
You cannot.
I think Sanders would have won against HRC given a hands-off position from the DNC, and I further think that he would have beaten Trump.
I can’t prove that, either.
So it goes.
I further think that the DNC acted against Sanders as a reaction to Trump’s nomination. The Permanent Center could not afford to have two outliers competing for the presidency because either way it went, they would lose some serious portion of their control. They banked on the equation “HRC + the Dem center + the RatPub center = victory.”
They were wrong.
End of story.
It is often said that history is written by the winners.
So far…in this little piece of history…there are no “winners,” just losers in office and other losers out of office. When the final verdict comes down…when the Trumpist forces are finally defeated by the massive Permanent Government bureaucracy or the Trumpists win and essentially dismantle that Permanent Government (most probabaly for the worse)…when that happens, then the new battlelines will be dwarn.
In the interim?
Hustlers hustling other hustlers. Nothing more and nothing less. And the rest of us on the outside, hoping for the best while we live our (moslty honest) lives.
So it that goes as well.
Peace.
It’s what’s for dinner.
Bet on it.
Later…
AG
How did the DNC effect the outcome of the following states?
Ohio
Illinois
North Carolina
New York
You are just making shit up and pretending it doesn’t stink.
You’re not really that naive are you?
Step #1 (long before the electoral cycle began) Hillary shall be the nominee.
Step #2 line up 80% of the super delegates for HRC (avoiding her ’08 mistake) and get media folks on board as well (no need for them to waste their time on any other potential Democratic candidates and they could focus on the GOP clown show). With those super delegates in the tank, even should HRC not win in a state, she’d never really lose.
Step #3 schedules a limited number of debates with the first one not until mid-October. (Avoiding another ’08 mistake when a little known Black man was seen in debates for months before October.)
Step #4 set up a Hillary/DNC victory fund many months (9/15) before such a funding mechanism is normally done. Make deals with state Democratic parties to launder money to the DNC.
All of that would have been invisible had the primary contests evolved as expected. O’Malley, with no bucks and five supporters, was supposed to be HRC’s main competitor. He would have been out after Iowa and the IA DP wouldn’t even have had to cheat to get her a win.
The voting in later primaries is heavily influenced by the results in earlier primaries. NY was late. Would it have been as easy for Reid to pull his tricks in NV if Sanders had won in IA and NH? What really went down in Boston with Bill “visiting” polls there? No election fraud in Chicago? The BOE was defensive when challenged. NYC (even though I don’t question HRC’s statewide win) has been acknowledged not to have been clean. and the list goes on.
Step #1 Senator Clinton was heavily favored in 2008 as well, and Senator Obama successfully overcame that initial perception by outperforming her with the voters.
Step #2 At the beginning of 2008, Clinton had a substantial lead in the number of superdelegates who had publicly announced their support for each POTUS primary candidate. A few months later, the final count was Obama 478, Clinton 246 1/2. Dem Party superdelegates have never collectively voted against the will of the pledged delegates from the State primaries and caucuses.
Hillary had no superdelegates “in the tank” in 2008, and she had none “in the tank” in 2016. If Bernie had established a lead in the pledged delegate count, even a narrow one, after Super Tuesday, history shows that superdelegates would have flipped to Sanders. The direct implication that superdelegates are unable or unwilling to change their support, frequently repeated by conspiracy theorists, is hostile to the factual record.
Step #3 Hillary performed well at debates. There is zero evidence that more debates would have definitively benefited Sanders’ campaign.
Step #4 Accusations are not facts. Supporters of your claim here should come with lawsuits they can sustain if the facts are on your side.
The final claim amuses for another reason. We are told that Democratic Party leaders and candidates should seek to reduce their dependence on revenue for their campaigns. We’re contemptuously told here that Hillary’s strong fundraising gave her no edge in the general election, but then told in this post that Hillary’s successful fundraising fixed the primary result for her. It’s a nonsensical position.
You didn’t answer the question.
#1 was irrelevant to the outcome on March 15th.
#2 was irrelevant to the outcome on March 15th
#3 was designed to make sure no opponent got enough money and name recognition to be able to fight on event footing.
It didn’t work. We had more money than Clinton on March 15th.
#4 is irrelevant to the outcome on March 15th
We lost because of long standing issues Progressives have with people of color, and because upscale voters voted against us.
NeoProgressives won’t be finished fighting the 2016 Primaries until after the DemocRAT party loses in 2018 and 2020. Because neoliberalcons.
Also: Killery Clinton.
Expect they’re good to go through 2020. After 2000, they remained in denial through 2004. And 2010 and 2014 didn’t pierce their denial. While more limited because Democrats didn’t lose control of the House, after 1980 they didn’t wake up until after 1984.
The extreme and constant hostility and disinterest in dialogue reminds me of something…
I would say it is actually quite the reverse.
It is the Clinton people who can’t stop fighting 2016.
You follow the election polling and voting details more closely than moi, but I suspect what you’re suggesting with that above list of states — apart from the relative $ spent in each by the campaigns — is considerably more racial diversity than in some mostly monocultural/white states where Bernie did much better or even won.
I had worried about his relative lack of minority appeal early on, as he continued to give his economic inequality stump speeches to almost entirely white crowds. In fact, I began (playfully if a bit cynically) to call him “Satch” Sanders (an old-school NBA reference) to highlight this shortcoming.
(note here: I voted for him enthusiastically if rather belatedly out here in CA in June, when the primary campaign outcome was all but official)
Hillary, by contrast on this issue, had a built-in advantage going in, as she was perceived (partly through Bill) as largely being very pro-minority in attitude, even if somewhat flawed in this area. A known and largely positive commodity, in their perception. Sanders — not nearly as well known, and given his coastal white elite fan base, not naturally someone minority members would gravitate to, especially given they had an alternative already in hand who also looked to be a sure winner.
Bernie might have at the outset aggressively highlighted his early work in CR in the 60s, but alas, increased minority outreach seems to have been mostly a late-stages effort, and, given his opponent’s much longer time in the public eye and the lack of regular MSM coverage for Bernie all along, diversifying his appeal was always going to be a tough hill to climb.
The states listed decided the nomination. While we were behind going into them in delegates, winning 3 of 5 states on the 15th and then winning New York would, I think, have come close to crippling Clinton.
By that point we had solved the name recognition problem, and were able to match Clinton dollar for dollar.
It was a fair fight. We narrowly lost Illinois and Missouri, but lost Ohio by more than 10, and were beaten in New York.
We could not solve our problems in the African American community fast enough, and we also had problems with upscale whites that hurt in New York (we lost Manhattan)
I could write at some length about the shit that was pulled in Iowa – and where a case can be made that the race WAS stolen.
But this myth DNC stole the nomination myth has to die. It is a lie. The DNC did not decide the Democratic Nomination.
There were underhanded and sneaky and unethical.
But Sanders, to his considerable credit, go to a point where it did not matter.
Period.
I tend to agree about the DNC not deciding the outcome. I might have preferred a few more debates during weekday primetime viewing hours, but I can’t say that would have made a significant difference. It was the usual political skirmishing and occasional mud wrestling, not exactly clean and not completely fair, but fair enough as these things go, and Hillary was not going to be denied those superdelegates. It would have been a great surprise had she not aggressively sought and won them. And I was never under the illusion that Bernie was going to upset the party establishment’s favorite.
It was a depressing year in US politics but Bernie’s strong effort and current high popularity may pave the way for better things in the future.
Thanks again for your efforts out in the field for him, and for your informative posts here.
I do not think we hit Clinton’s Iraq vote hard enough. I do not think in the debates Bernie was as good as he could have been about making it an issue.
That was the biggest mistake we made.
Iraq probably was an underexploited issue, to which I would advised Bernie to push hard on neolibcon Dems hawkish penchant for engineering regime change in Libya and Syria. Huge cost not only in human lives, but millions made internally displaced persons or refugees flooding Europe in massive numbers, destabilizing that continent.
The however many billions or trillions the US has spent in that region and N Africa — Bernie could have talked clearly and forcefully, in a few choice sentences a la Ike, about what those tax dollars wasted could have built over here, and all the people it would have employed.
But I perceived Bernie as 95% about economic inequality/Wall St — worthy issues to be sure. But he was so consistent and forceful at making this his primary issue that it left the remaining 5% as footnote material that only a few observers noticed. He became a bit of a one-note candidate.
He’ll need to improve on that DP vs FP balance if he intends to run again. And in my humble, he needs to call out the anti-Putin/Russia hysteria sweeping the land via our one-sided MSM. At least that would be the right thing to do — but whether calling for us to slow down and restore some sanity works politically is another matter. The well has been thoroughly poisoned; it would take some fair amount of political courage to push back against the current climate.
Sanders lost because he waited to late to start. To win the Presidency, you must organize 3080 counties in some fashion or another. The conventional way of doing that is to set up state organizations that in turn set up county organizations and have precinct organizations.
Hillary Clinton has 25 years or more of working relationships with the people in the Democratic Party that tend to volunteer in the general election. Moving from a single-state operation to a 50-state operation is complicated business that Bernie Sanders did successfully negotiate; he can manage a campaign. But he started too late in the game to turn out all of the votes he needed to get the regular delegates he needed. And he had no chance with a lot of the superdelegates because Hillary Clinton had gotten their commitments before Sanders had even declared. And for a number of Democrats, Sanders was viewed as an outsider and interloper although he have voted with the Democratic caucus all of his Congressional career (which is now a knock on him for lefties).
Another three or four weeks of primaries might have brought Sanders even closer in regular delegates. While he did good in “flyover country”, one has to ask how much of his margins came from open primary states where the GOP was engaged in monkey-wrenching the Clinton campaign.
The big loss for Sanders was New York (of course, as Clinton’s “home” state, it was a tough one from the beginning).
In the end what at lot of superdelegates appeared to do was vote the wishes of their urban area or state, which meant some did cross to Sanders.
It is only after Hillary Clinton’s loss that Sanders has gotten from the Democratic Party the equivalent of the Blairite’s invective against Corbyn.
Youy write:
Public invective, yes. They did not think that he was worth public invective as long as their patented DC Beltway, entitlement-blinded shortsightedness made them think that HRC was some kind of shoo-in. Why give Sanders more publicity than absolutely necessary? But private invective? They weren’t very nice about him in the wikileaks emails, were they? Imagine what they were saying at their $150+ apiece dinner meetings after the third or fourth bottle of wine got opened!!!
But now that HRC is…let us pray…old news? Sanders is the only national figure who might be able to wrest control of the party away from the DNC dinosaurs. They’re going to diss him with every paid hack at their disposal.
Yup.
AG
P.S. Pelosi looks a a Madame Tussaud’s wax figure of herself in this photo.
Deep.
She’s how old?
77?
UH oh!!!
She makes HRC look like a spring chicken.
But neither of them can match 67 year-old Elizabeth Warren’s flat-out vitality.
Not by a long shot.
Watch.
Sanders/Warren in 2020.
Please!!!
AG
This is worth a separate discussion. I think you’re wrong. For various reasons, sooner could have been worse. Seems to me that he hit it at the optimal point for his entry.
Clinton had the DP institutions lined up for her years before the election cycle began. In some states, such as SC, it’s almost impossible to beat. It was even slow to and only partially crapped out on her in ’08.
No. They threw everything possible at Sanders beginning in September 2015. ie Sanders ‘isn’t a Democrat,” he ‘honeymooned in Russia,’ he said nice things about Castro, ‘black people don’t like Sanders,’ Chelsea Clinton in NH,* and I’ll probably never believe that the DNC computer “glitch” wasn’t a set-up.
*Chelsea Clinton said Sanders would also “dismantle Medicare and dismantle private insurance,” as well as strip away benefits from the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which was created under her father’s presidency.
Oh, and young women supporting Sanders just want to get laid by BernieBros — the BernieBros slur was launched earlier.
The difference is that US media preferred to ignore Sanders existence whereas the UK media ran a full out assault on Corbyn for almost two years. Bernie might have done better if the media had attacked him unmercifully considering that that fell short wrt to Corbyn and Trump.
You write;
Precisely my ongoing point, Marie.
Reflexive opposition to MSM viewpoints is what has driven the U.S. electorate since at least the Trump fiasco.
AG
This is wrong, as I explain above.
They had nothing to do with why we lost in the key states that mattered.
Typically insurgent campaigns struggle with fund raising and organization early. This was not true in Bernie’s case.
The Sanders campaign was as well organized in Iowa and New Hampshire as Obama’s was.
The losses on March 15th and New York had nothing to do with our late start.
I could write for hours about the mistakes that were made – primary campaigns are nothing but a series of mistakes.
But Bernie had a shot. We didn’t win when we needed to.
Labour doesn’t have superdelegates to choose the party leader. For the price of party membership — £46.56 for a year’s standard membership (the most expensive of the UK parties) — a lot of people were energized to join and vote in Corbyn. The Blairites were aghast at this outcome and did everything they could to reverse it. They did stop short of the many Democratic Party elites in 1972 and didn’t endorse the Tories. Although they did hope and pray that Labour lost decisively which would have allowed them to take back “their party.” Now they can choose among sucking it up, bolting to the Lib-Dems, or officially joining their kind, the Tories.
And so the political pendulum moves.
Left to right and right to left.
We shall see where it ends up when it runs out of sprng-winding.
Soon, I am thinkling.
Very soon.
Later…
ASG
In France and the UK there are two means to getting heard well enough to win in elections: create a new party or take over one of the two dominate parties (Labour or Tory in the UK and Socialists or Republicans in France). SNP did well in two election cycles by poaching Labour and LibDem voters but flubbed the third time around. In 2015 UKIP received 12.7% of the vote but only managed to win one seat. Whereas, SNP got 4.7% and 56 seats.
Here, third or new parties get no respect and taking over one of the major parties at the local and state level is near impossible. In January – Sanders backers take over California Democratic Party, and in at least one of those caucuses, leftists had the votes but were informed that their vote only constituted one-third of the decision and therefore, a party insider ended up the winner. But even with this strength, at the state convention they lost in selecting the new state party chair.
Between a rock and a hard place in this country.
It will never run down. processes with positive feedback are inherently unstable and periodic.
The superdelegates were not decisive in deciding the Democratic Party leader in 2016, not even close. The delegates to the Convention pledged through their State primaries and caucuses gave Clinton a 2,271 to 1,840 edge in delegates.
Clinton won the overall popular vote in the primary by over 12 percentage points and over 3.5 million votes. Bernie got beat. That’s what happened.
All we can do is repeat the factual record over and over again. It’s up to each member of the community to decide if they want to respond to this or retreat into a fantasy world where Sanders won but was robbed by Democrats. That fantasy world fails to serve the interests of people who sincerely want more liberal governance.
We can’t stop people who want to waste time and damage relationships with other liberals who they might wish to begin persuading some day. We can only hope that they might get themselves woke. Or, in the case of the trolls, we might hope they will drop the charade that they are on our side. People meeting either of these descriptions are not helping fight for more liberal governance, that’s for sure.
You sure do ignore actual evidence that is inconvenient to your position.
Troll rating those that you know damn well aren’t trolls is low-life and juvenile. Why do you hide behind HRC’s pant suits instead of proudly proclaiming that you’re a corporatist that backs foreign coups/regime change?
(Don’t bother answering — once again we’re done.)
You don’t get to determine the behavior of other community members.
Nor do you.
I’m not making futile attempts to explicitly control the threads by insulting others then demanding that they shut up. I’m willing to question quarrelsome behavior and flawed political arguments, and am fine with reasonable exchanges. I understand and accept the concept of giving as good as I get.
Some try to dish it out and then demand imperiously that others avoid giving it back. That’s not the behavior of a community member. If Frog Ponders want to try to persuade, then they have to hang in there and participate in a conversation. It’s beyond disrespectful for community members to toss bombs and then huffily demand the right to walk away.
There’s plenty of places on the internet where white hot hatred of and factually false and misleading claims about Democratic Party leaders can be put over without question. Those who wish to lay those ad hominems without question may go to those places. If they want to participate here, they’ll be forced to defend their outrageous statements from time to time.
You reference “factually false and misleading claims about Democratic Party leaders.”
Is that referring to their public or private positions?
To what they say that hey are going to do and what they actually do?
Just wondering…
AG
It’s factually false in the alternate reality that they live in, the one where the Democratic party cares about the main in the street outside Wall Street.
When you and I ask for accountability, we are asking for a pony.
Yoiu write:
Of course, but…
Blow that kind of tactic up all the way to the national political level…the DNC…and that is exactly how they handled Sanders.
Politics in practice at the top of the U.S. political food chain is precisely that today.
Low-life and juvenile.
Just look at the winner of last year’s election to see the truth of that statement, or suffer through a few minutes of the Sunday pundit shows.
These neocentrist trolls here exactly mimic their superiors at the DNC.
And it wins.
In winning it ultimately loses, of course, but that’s further than low-life, juvenile minds can see.
It has already seriously altered the tone and content of this blog, for instance.
Natter, natter, natter…
Downrate, downrate, downrate…
It eventually brings everything down to its own juvenile level.
They have created a political culture that eventually produces a winner like Trump…a perfect reflection of the level of political discourse in the United States today.
We should have known what was up when Clinton couldn’t keep his low-life, juvenile dick in his pants in the White House.
So it goes.
Down like a motherfucker!!!
AG
“Corbyn, on the other hand, had a Labour Party hierarchy that apparently either didn’t even effectively try to oppose him or at the very least did not do so effectively enough.”
This is just an ignorant comment.
A majority of Labour MP’s tried to get Corbyn thrown out on his butt. They have been sniping at him since the moment he took power.
I wrote:
None of this is “ignorant,” fladem. I fly by the seat of my pants in this country and culture. I do not take the official media much into account, because I am an integral part of the system. An outlier, but simultaneously a very acute observer. The media lie. Consistently and often. I do not need them to make up my mind about what’s happening…or perhaps better said, I add up the lies of the media on all sides of a given question, figure out what they are avoiding and then look deeply into those subjects.
I do not have that luxury in other cultures, and I also do not trust mass media in any culture. They are all serial liars for their controllers.
I put that “…or at the very least” kicker in because I will readily admit that I cannot be “seat of the pants” if my ass is not fairly well inside a given culture. Mu posts over the last decade or so here regarding the coming Cuban sell-out, the approaching Arab Spring and the strength of the new South African culture were all written after extended “seat of the pants” observation inside of those systems.
I readily admit that I know very little about the state of the U.K. presently, although I was not in the least bit surprised at the Brexit vote. Based on the available evidence, Corbyn won because he either was not thoroughly opposed by his DNC-like Labour system or they didn’t do a very good job of it. You say it’s the latter? Great. So what? I covered that possibility, didn’t I?
Where’s the beef? Other than my own, ongoing position regarding the Dinosaur National Committee, of course.
Which is the real beef, isn’t it, fladem?
Your sig is “fladem.” You are still a Democrat, still a loyal worker in a failing and provably crooked party. I trust no one with the letters “dem” in their handle unless it is something like “ex-dem.”
Go count your statistics.
ASG
“I readily admit that I know very little about the state of the U.K. present”
That is true.
The rest is just you in love with the sound of your own voice.
And asshole, I worked for Sanders in 4 states.
What the fuck did you do?
What did I do?
The same thing that I have done almost every day for going on 50 years, fladem.
What is that?
I played great music in NYC…life-changing music for most people if they only knew something more than the drivel foisted upon them by the Permanent Culture machine.
And I tried…almost totally unsuccessfully…from early spring 2016 on to get leftinesses like yourself to wake up to the truth about Trump. He was a serious threat to win the whole thing from Day One of his primary campaign. Not a clown…a real threat.
i did not initially think that Sanders had a chance, myself. Too well entrenched and too crooked a DNC/Permanent Government to ever allow him anywhere near the levers of power. Too old, too. I was wrong about the last part, apparently. Not so the others.
I work all day, every day, fladem…working at things that I believe help this culture to survive. I do not work for individual candidates because…well, because since the day that they shot RFK (And yes, I believe that Sirhan Sirhan was at least a patsy if not a mind-controlled assassin.) I have yet to see an honest pol with a chance to win, and I’ll be damned if I’ll work for a guaranteed loser.
You?
Feel free.
I certainly do.
AG
LOL
I know. My jaw dropped when I read that. Playing a few gigs won’t get out the vote for anyone, including Sanders. Lifechanging? Meh. I’ll give Fladem credit: he’s done the legwork that most others don’t do. Getting souls to the polls – now that can be life changing. Seeing local Dem organizations revitalized in the last few months? That will be life changing over the long haul. Onward.
I am not trying to “get out the vote,” DD. If someone somehow manages to push through the morass of filth that we laughingly call the American political system with a chance to change that system, I will do the legwork you reference. Otherwise? I work on the cultural level. It’s what I do. I try to do the same thing here, too, but with the exception of a very few people remaining here, this site has sunk to levels of kneejerk Democratism that make my jaw drop.
So it goes.
The media rule the minds of most U.S.-ians, and anyone who thinks that the Dem mainstream currently holds any answers whatsoever to the problems of this country is in a media-produced trance state.
WTFU.
Please.
AG
Failing to turn out the vote in U.S. elections consistently results in regressive politicians winning their campaigns, which results in regressive policies being passed and implemented which undermine the American middle and lower economic classes, increase the Defense budget and most belligerent uses of our military and security services, and create broad violations and undermining of civil and privacy rights laws.
Given Arthur’s evangelism for Ron Paul and his consistent opposition to full Federal voting and other civil rights, it is unsurprising that he does not care to defend and support Americans exercising their right to vote. Very movement conservative of him.
In the (former) tradition of BT, I won’t troll rate that.
Instead just imagine a giant middle finger for your lies about AG.
They are not “lies,” exactly, Voice. That entity really believes them. “Lies’ are consciously promoted untruths. What centristfield is doing is essentially blathering the consciously aimed untruths of the centrist media…aimed over and over and over again, directly at the semi-conciousnesses…at similar targets that are within that entitty’s range of fire.
In short, Centristfield is just acting out the lies of the supposedly “left-leaning” media…a DNC loudspeaker on a small station.
So it goes…
AG
“consistent opposition to full Federal voting and other civil rights”
You are admitting to this? Certainly, I cannot recall you advocating anything like that. The Paul thing, yes. I didn’t agree but that’s what makes politics. Or did, until parroting official propaganda and the two minute Hate became de rigueur.
I did not write that, Voice. Centristfield wrote that.
AG
OK. Now that he admits (below) to distorting your views to fit his his views, I apologize. Your response seemed to not deny all the allegations.
Centerfielddj has admitted (below) that he twisted your words through his lens to turn your desire for clean elections into support for voter suppression.
Arthur has defended voter ID laws here. He’s telling us on this very thread that he doesn’t care to encourage people to exercise their voting rights, and borderline disrespects those of us who do organize volunteers and voters. And he has repeatedly talked about the futility of enforcing Federal civil rights laws in communities which have many people who oppose those laws.
We’ve actually gone round and round on these issues. Arthur believes States and local communities should have the right to have more restrictive civil and voting rights laws than the basic set of Federal laws which have been established.
Voter ID is not voter suppression. So you lied.
Thanks for making my case.
I’ll leave it to the rest of the community to decide if they are persuaded to agree with you and Arthur that voter ID laws are not being created in Republican-controlled States with the specific intent of suppressing the votes of citizens who are most likely to vote for the most liberal/progressive politicians and issues.
The fact that multiple Republican Legislators in multiple States have said in public and private that voter ID laws would be helpful in getting Republicans elected to office makes it hard for you to make your cases successfully. But go ahead, knock yourselves out.
That’s not what I said. I said nothing about motives of the designers of proposed laws. you are a bald-faced fucking liar.
It appears oui agrees with the two of you on this issue as well. Again, good luck to you all in attempting to persuade others at the Frog Pond to believe that Republican Legislators have engaged in some form of bizarre satire when those Republicans have made public and private statements that their voter ID laws would help get more Republicans elected.
This is an interesting exercise. I’m looking forward to seeing if other community members join you in defending targeted voter suppression.
No one but YOU said anything about Republicans nor specific laws, LIAR!
Voice, these voter ID laws are only being established in States under full Republican Party control, and they are always drawn up to suppress the votes of demographic groups which do not typically support Republicans.
I know you know this. Let’s stop playing games here.
You write:
No. I also believe that states and local communities should have the right to have LESS restrictive civil and voting rights laws than the basic set of Federal laws which have been established.
In short, I believe in smaller, more local choices in all things governmental.
You see only the negatives.
Kneejerk, as usual.
AG
Well, the negatives far outweigh the positives, particularly today. This is because the principle you attempt to stand on here would and does not lead to more choices for many people in local communities, it would and does result in NO real choice for many Americans who wish to exercise their right to, for one of many, many examples, a full set of family planning choices.
When the fight to defend same-sex marriage rights was raging hot and heavy in Rowan County, Kentucky, you effectively supported the chief County Clerk’s right to do this:
But then, in the discussion that ensued about the issue, you went much further. You said that it was useless to attempt to enforce the civil rights of LGBTQ Americans in areas where the culture and the citizenry simply did not accept same-sex romantic relationships.
You said that there were some areas of the country where, if we attempted to help enforce Federal civil rights laws in this areas, the citizens would respond by physically beating people who they identified as LGBTQ. You did not approve of this behavior, but you sanctimoniously explained there was nothing to be done about it, that’s just the way people in some communities are.
I’ll never forget it. I’d be disappointed if you denied that you made this argument here. You wrote what you wrote, and it’s available here.
Let’s turn this on its head, centristfield.
Let us say that a ruling had been handed down by a Supreme Court that had been quite legally packed with right wing jurists by a succession of Republican presidents and congresses that had also rolled back many federal laws dictating culturally-mandated local laws. That ruling was against the rights of LGBT people…or family planning or whatever else floats your liberal boat. If a County Clerk or other part of local government in…you name it, the most so-called “liberal” areas of the the U.S., say San Francisco or Boston or Manhattan…defied that set of laws, would you not then be supporting the rights of local areas to define their own moral compass?
I think you would, and I would agree with your position.
You cannot legislate morality. Not effectively and certainly not forever. “Morality” is a survival mechanism. Murderous and repressive governments and societies always fail eventually, and the ones that survive and prosper are those that…to the best of our own limited human ability…practice the Golden Rule. Let the fools simmer and cook in their own hatreds, and let the good people attract the downtrodden and use them as a well-functioning part of a whole society.
Or…let’s loose the dogs of war on them damned haters!!! Go on down to Rowan County, Kentucky with federal troops and make the sons of bitches agree with us or die!!! Because that is eventually the only other choice once you start trying to legislate morality from above in a large country full of varying ideas about what is “right” and what is “wrong.” A liberal jihad. Great. Just what we need.
We are now ruled by haters. We fight them as well as we can do so given the circumstances. Great. Make the good fight!!! Want to take it to war level? OK. It’s headed that way anyway, apparently. Matin Luther King was right. In the long view evolution always wins.
I believe that.
Do you?
I believe the following as well.
Relax a little, centristfield. The assholes will self-inflict their own punishment upon themselves. Even the ones who act like you do, you self-righteous, entitlement-poisoned, neoliberal piece of artificial candy.
AG
“You cannot legislate morality” was the claim lodged by the dominant powers behind the Confederacy and the Jim Crow laws. This deepens your persistent defense of Jim Crow laws.
Martin Luther King didn’t shrug his shoulders and say, “Oh well, nothing can be done to shrug off this oppression. You cannot legislate morality, after all.” I don’t recall that sermon. A stronger societal morality isn’t brought about if people shrug their shoulders in the face of immorality.
And yes, I accept that this means we have to argue about how to define “morality”. I felt the same-sex couples who sought marriage licenses in Rowan County expressed a much healthier “morality” than Kim Davis. I accept that others disagree, but the case was won before the Supreme Court.
Cases were also won before the Supreme Court which outlawed campaign finance laws and Federal voting rights protections. I find the morality of those decisions highly questionable, but I did not demand nullification of those legal decisions through physical force and intimidation if necessary, a position for which you appear to remain angrily supportive.
Your frame that “Morality is a survival mechanism” is fascinating. In this case, it appears to assert the morality of the powerful over the morality of the less powerful. That doesn’t seem your usual philosophy, but it is instructive that you effectively assert the rights of the powerful over the rights of LGBT and pregnant females here.
And what is your brief rage about on behalf of Rowan County fundamentalists? Arthur, same sex couples are getting marriage licenses in Rowan County now. The whole thing blew over; no Federal troops necessary at all. LGBTQ citizens are not being beaten by “Moral” Christians because they quickly accepted Federal law in all Counties of Kentucky.
We are rapidly approaching a constitutional crisis here that will make Watergate look like tiddlywinks. The center…your center, the one that encompasses the “centers” of the DemRat neolibs and RatPub neocons…will likely win this confrontation (one that it has ginned up to try to repair the damage that they inflicted upon heir own power by unsuccessfully running HRC and the various Republican lames against Trump), and then there we will once again be, governed by the .01% that has “guided” the U.S. into its current state of total societal disprepair and world-wide fear and loathing over the preceding 50+ years. Would Trump be any better or worse? I have no idea. Probably worse. I do know that said ‘center” is wrong on almost every count. on the evidence of where we find ourselves today.
You support that center, whether you truly understand that fact or are simply another one of the many outdated, kneejerk Dems babyboomers.
That said…I oppose you on every level possible.
God help us all, no matter which way the cards fall.
God help us all.
AG
As a few of us have noted for a while now, you’re rooting for Trump to overturn United States governance. Thanks for the confirmation. You seem to consider him a highly imperfect but useful vessel.
Of course you oppose me. I’m socially liberal and economically progressive. You’re a doctrinaire libertarian with some peculiar streaks. Your ideology is in opposition to the vast majority of people in this community, and your manner doesn’t help you with your difficult task of persuading community members here.
You writed:
No. I fear that even more than your own mediocrity.
I am “rooting” for a rebirth of the Democratic Party.
So far?
You’re right.
No sale.
But I do keep trying.
You…you personally with your repeated half-truths and practiced evasions (Are you a lawyer? Probably.)…are my best argument on this site against the bloated neocentrist wing of the Democratic Party,
Thank you for your efforts.
AG
I’m way, way left of you, brother. You appear to want to hector the Democratic Party to make a headlong lurch to the right. Do away with Federal discrimination and reproductive choice rights and social welfare programs? No thank you.
And your belief that States should be allowed to hold extremely radical positions on these and other issues, leaving the marginalized abandoned to the most vicious social and economic forces, is anathema to me. And I’ll repeat: you hold the same position on Federal power as supporters of Jim Crow laws and the most powerful multinational corporations.
I disagree. There are some rights which need to be defended and improved for everyone in the United States.
I can only imagine the life you lead, centristfield. I feel sorry for you.
AG
In other words nothing.
But for some reason you feel like you can throw shit at those who do work.
Hmmm.
You say “nothing.” I say “everything truly worthwhile.”
“For some reason?”
Look at where we have come to, fladem.
LOOK!!!
Your “work”…and the work of the controllers who have captured the Democratic Party…have brought us to our current state.
Trump as president and most of the rest of the world as our sworn enemy.
Nice work, fladem.
Nice work.
I prefer to go out amongst the real people and preach music.
You?
Feel free.
I do.
AG
This John Aravosis tweet sums up where the Democratic Party is:
Historically ignorant praise of corporate America by a gay man and DP member in good standing with the party elites.
A bit crude, but hits all the right points:
btw – Labour now has a six-point lead over the Tories, new poll finds. Figures show a swing of eight points for Jeremy Corbyn’s party since the general election:
First from Brookings: More professionalism, less populism: How voting makes us stupid, and what to do about it
IOW, “the people” aren’t properly responsive to the lobbyists that write the legislation and tell elected officials how to vote. Those are the pros — and maybe, in addition to the voters, we should cut out the middlemen, Congress.
Next – Lee Camp: How to Write Propaganda for the NYTimes — As Demonstrated in an Article About Me. Put Jason Zinoman in the same journalistic tradition as Judith Miller. IOW he’s a lying hack and shockingly so.
Mark Ames – When `Mother Jones’ Wasn’t Russia-Bashing. A particularly good reminder (or primer) of what went down the early ’80s. (Not to be overlooked is that much of that effort facilitated an huge increase in military spending when any idiot outside the CIA, Congress, and the WH could see that the USSR was crumbling financially.
Ray McGovern – NBC’s Kelly Hits Putin with a Beloved Canard. (The “beloved canard” is a lie that gets repeated for the believers.)
Robert Parry – Oliver Stone Reveals a Vulnerable Putin.
I noticed one of the few not completely negative and nasty reviews in the MSM came from the Guardian today, although the first half of the review is not positive.
I look forward to Part 2 tonite, 9pm ET on Showtime.
I also look forward to the part where Stone shows Putin excerpts of the Kubrick film Dr Strangelove, which Vlad hadn’t seen. Apparently after that filming is over, Stone presents Putin with a DVD gift of the movie. Vlad reappears soon thereafter to note that the dvd box was empty, and quips “Typical American gift” — ha!! Perfect response.
Parry covered that bit in his article. It’s so good that some might question if it were staged.
Will wait to see if it looks too good to be true. Limited staging in a non-verbal way is ok in an interview type documentary; not so much scripting lines for Putin to deliver that purport to be organic.
From my single viewing last night, that little exchange looked legit.
I doubt if Stone would want to go beyond any staging more than just the usual non-verbal setup stuff. He would risk opening a potential for the western MSM to totally trash his interviews as fake and staged scripted material.
Stone was interviewed last night along with Russia expert Stephen Cohen by conservative radio host John Batchelor.
Cohen continues to be mostly censored in the US msm, apart from an occasional brief (and usually hostile) 4-minute quickie, not nearly enough time to get beyond the headlines. It’s been the conservatives like JB and (former BowTieBoy) Tucker Carlson who’ve given Cohen airtime, especially Batchelor, and they also largely concur with Cohen’s pov. Formerly liberal Msnbc, last I checked, still doesn’t book him, not even on the remaining 3 lib shows. Of course, he doesn’t exactly fit Msnbc’s current ratings-driven anti-Putin narrative.
Congratulations again to alleged liberals Maddow, Hayes and O’Donnell for presenting only the Deep State and DNC side of the story.
Re Rbt Parry on the Stone-Putin interviews, I have a similar takeaway of Putin the person and head of state, though a little more so as I’ve been YT’g a number of Putin appearances over the past few years, all of which our MSM did not cover or lightly covered in a heavily dishonest way.
He’s an impressive leader for his country and on the world stage* (Stone called him a “statesman” and I agree), totally in command of a wide range of facts and very able in defending his position in give and takes with the cynical western media. Hardly the maniacal, calculating dictator the western media would want us to see.
(I get rather similar positive feelings about the impressive spokesperson for their foreign minister, Maria Zacharova, a very smart and feisty woman who doesn’t put up with western media nonsense questions about Russiagate and related Cold War 2.0 propaganda)
* note here, it’s newly emerging and formerly/recently destitute Russia he’s trying to govern –not the oldest and richest democracy the US, nor the most advanced democracies such as the Scandinavian countries — a huge and diverse country with its own long history and social traditions, and current problems and issues which must be carefully addressed.
It occurs to me Dems from both wings of the party now have two competing examples to draw inspiration from following the Brit and French elections.
The Dems from the Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party (so named by former member in good standing turned corporate sellout Howard Dean) look to the Positive Progressive example of Corbyn who, while he didn’t win, came so close that if the delicate political situation changes slightly in the next few weeks to months, followed by the Queen rattling her jewelry at Buckingham Palace to summon Mr Corbyn, he could easily end up soon as the PM.
Dems from the corporate sellout neolibcon wing will look to the winning example of one Manu Macron in France, running on a platform of status quo austerity with a younger, fresher, unmarked face to sell neolibcon policies. Granted, his opposition in the final round was someone literally representing the Vichy wing in French politics, and so was never in doubt. Manu also now is poised to have virtual one-party domination in the French Lege, the likes of which we haven’t seen here since following the elections of 1936 and 1964.
Would the successor for this wing — assuming the pro-Hillary faction becomes as small as the pro-Adlai faction did in 1960, in face of a younger more dynamic option — be Kirsten Gillibrand? Cory Booker? Or would the Please Not Hillary Again neolibcon faction prefer to reward geezer Joe Biden in hopes of gaining back the WWC vote?
Macron is like Clinton, Blair, and Obama, but with an easier marketing task because Hollande had trashed PS without being fully identifiable as a neoliberalcon and the Republicans couldn’t come up with anyone better than a Romney type clone. IOW, younger US and UK voters are now better able to smell the neoliberal rat than younger French voters.
Yes, as if the political seas tended to part for Manu Moses, as the PS shrank to irrelevancy thanks mostly to Hollande and a dull PS candidate, and the center-right Républicains candidate was hit with personal scandal that had enough legs to dislodge him from the front-runner-next-president position. Once those two major obstacles were out of the way, having carved out the political middle for himself, and with backing from 95% of the French MSM, he only had to worry about not making any major political blunders in the brief period leadup to the final vote.
Macron was an accident. The swooning over him makes me want to vomit, because he himself calls him a neo-liberal.
He stopped Le Pen. That was what was required.
Precisely this.
Great comment.
The real power in the party is the big donor money that funds the DC consultants and interest groups, and they will fight to keep hold of the party.
But the real pols: they do not want the fight the Clinton types are dying to fight.
Within the Senate there are very few arrows being slung at Bernie. Those who need to be re-elected know for the most part they need peace.
The Party is moving left, because it has nowhere else to go. Events have moved it left.
Bullshit.
Pure and simple.
“Within the Senate!!!???”
Brave the wrath of the Senator from AIPAC!!!???
Please!!!
Who’s gonna pay the campaign bills!!!???
WTFU!!!
AG
The Democratic Party is moving Left socially and culturally. It is moving hard Right economically.
I remember a Black comedian from the ’60s. I’m sorry, I have temporarily forgotten the name. Speaking of the election he said this (on national TV):
” The way I see the candidates, if I was lying in the street, George Wallace would drive over me. And if I was lying in the street, Nixon would order his chauffeur to drive over me. And if I was lying in the street, Hubert Humphrey would cry a lot as his chauffeur drove over me.”
Substitute a blue collar worker for a the black guy. Substitute Trump for Wallace. Substitute Clinton for Nixon (with less integrity) and substitute Sanders for Humphrey.
Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose