I really like the piece Nancy LeTourneau wrote this morning. She titled it Dear Trump Voters: The 1950’s Aren’t Coming Back, but it’s actually about more than that. Obviously, we can’t return to the past. In most cases, we wouldn’t want to anyway. We are creatures of our own time and wouldn’t feel at home in another.
Her piece is really about dispositions and the difference between those who have an appetite for change and those who want to protect the social order that exists or that has existed for most of their living memory. She calls the latter attitude a “confederate” disposition, and I think she provides a keen insight when she highlights the lack of legitimacy unwelcome democratic outcomes have for Trump supporters and Tea Party types.
A democratic process that could result in the election of Abraham Lincoln wasn’t respected because it signaled that political efforts to change the social order preferred in the South had some kind of sanction from the people. In a similar manner, a process that could result in a black president or a woman president was not respected. That process could be attacked by taking measures to suppress the vote. Maybe it could be attacked by colluding with a foreign country.
For my purposes, though, I’d like to take a little heat out of this explanation. What I want to take away from it isn’t so much that there are people who feel threatened by democracy when it creates change they don’t want. If there are people who’d prefer to live in a country where women don’t compete with men for jobs, where Jim Crow is widespread, where homosexuality is a crime, where we have no environmental or consumer protection whatsoever, where Medicare and Medicaid don’t exist, well…those people don’t interest me much except insofar as they’re winning politically. I don’t want or believe that we can get their votes. I only want to figure out how to beat them.
We can call these people “confederates” if we want. I think it’s a useful way of making a point about human psychology. We can call them “deplorables,” too, considering that they have attitudes about women and race and human sexuality that can’t or shouldn’t be translated into policy in a modern society. We should certainly be mindful of their contempt for representative government and the legitimacy it brings.
But we tend to exaggerate how many of these people there really are, and we also are perhaps too unwilling to admit how many of them have spent most of their lives voting for Democrats or how reliant we have been and still are on winning political support from at least some of them. The truth is that people are more complicated than these caricatures. It’s a simple fact that many people voted for Trump because they were attracted to some of his racist themes but also voted for a black candidate four or eight years earlier because they made a different calculation. This often seems too difficult for people to grasp. But you can see it here in black and white:
Many Democrats have a shorthand explanation for Clinton’s defeat: Her base didn’t turn out, Donald Trump’s did and the difference was too much to overcome.
But new information shows that Clinton had a much bigger problem with voters who had supported President Barack Obama in 2012 but backed Trump four years later.
Those Obama-Trump voters, in fact, effectively accounted for more than two-thirds of the reason Clinton lost, according to Matt Canter, a senior vice president of the Democratic political firm Global Strategy Group. In his group’s analysis, about 70 percent of Clinton’s failure to reach Obama’s vote total in 2012 was because she lost these voters.
It might seem impossible for someone to be attracted to Trump because of his racist attitudes and also attracted to Barack Obama, but it wasn’t impossible at all. This is because race was only one factor among many in how people made their decisions. For some, Obama’s race wasn’t a plus but it also wasn’t a dealbreaker. Maybe Hillary Clinton’s gender was the dealbreaker. Maybe they became convinced that Clinton was personally corrupt and were concerned that she was under FBI investigation, which were things they never worried about with Barack Obama. Maybe it feels different when your community is roughly split in who they’re supporting, but it becomes a more courageous act to support the Democrat when eighty percent of your neighbors are supporting the Republican. Maybe some people just vote against the incumbent party every single time.
What I think is important is to not exaggerate what happened and to write off whole sections of the country as beyond reach or hope. We get bogged down in trying to figure out if people voted for Trump because they’re irredeemably retrograde in their social attitudes or because their communities have been left behind, particularly in the post-Great Recession economy. If these communities had voted for Clinton at anything close to the rate they voted for Obama, she would have won a giant victory because she actually took suburban votes away from the Republicans. In the Philly suburbs, for example, she came away with 65,000 more net votes in the bank than Obama had, and she started out with a statewide cushion to begin with. She still lost.
What we need to understand is how to win enough Obama-Trump voters back, and that might not be the exact same thing as understanding why they abandoned us.
Nancy identified one clue when she quoted Robert Jones, CEO of the Public Religion Research Institute, to explore the power of nostalgia:
Trump’s campaign—with its sweeping promise to “make American great again”—triumphed by converting self-described “values voters” into what I’ve called “nostalgia voters.” Trump’s promise to restore a mythical past golden age—where factory jobs paid the bills and white Protestant churches were the dominant cultural hubs—powerfully tapped evangelical anxieties about an uncertain future.
We need to be mindful of two things. The first is the power of these appeals to nostalgia and the second is the fact that not all nostalgia is illegitimate. I believe that the left can do better by developing a competing nostalgia than they can by writing off the entire sentiment as morally unacceptable.
I don’t think I was fully conscious of the nostalgia element while I was writing my piece How to Win Rural Voters Without Losing Liberal Values, but I was grasping for a way to meet this longing for a bygone America in a way that would combine political effectiveness, good policy, and actual benefit to these afflicted communities without at the same time succumbing to or accommodating their worst instincts or characteristics.
Wanting racial segregation back is not a legitimate form of nostalgia. Wanting women out of the boardroom and elected office is not legitimate. Putting gays and lesbians back in the closet is not legitimate. Eliminating the Department of Education and the EPA is not legitimate. What’s legitimate is wanting your small town to have small businesses back. It’s not unreasonable to want it to be possible for your kids to settle nearby to you and have opportunities to prosper. In the simplest formula, people would like their kids to have to the same or better opportunities that they had, and to have them in the same place.
This is why I identified anti-monopoly and antitrust enforcement as the direction the Democrats need to go. We can’t rebuild these communities by bringing back heavy industry, but we can restore their ability to compete as small businesspeople.
How would this sound on the campaign trail?
Well, I’ll give you two examples.
The first is from 1912. It’s Woodrow Wilson campaigning in Lincoln, Nebraska:
“Which do you want? Do you want to live in a town patronized by some great combination of capitalists who pick it out as a suitable place to plant their industry and draw you into their employment? Or do you want to see your sons and your brothers and your husbands build up business for themselves under the protection of laws which make it impossible for any giant, however big, to crush them and put them out of business, so that they can match their wits here, in the midst of a free country with any captain of industry or merchant of finance … anywhere in the world?”
The second is from 1952. It’s Hubert Humphrey speaking from the Senate floor:
“We are talking about the kind of America we want.… Do we want an America where the economic marketplace is filled with a few Frankensteins and giants? Or do we want an America where there are thousands upon thousands of small entrepreneurs, independent businessmen, and landholders who can stand on their own feet and talk back to their government or to anyone else?”
I have a longstanding habit of mocking the columns of David Brooks, but he manages to provide a useful supplement to this conversation in his column today. His theory is that a lot of Trump country was once on the frontier, and the legacy from that is that people value self-reliance even when their circumstances actually call for accepting some help. As long as we don’t take that observation too far, we can use it to understand that a lot of the more culturally conservative places in America will respond better to a message (and ultimately policies, too) that is directed at their aspirations to be self-reliant again. We can give them subsidies to get health care. We can make sure their kids get enough nutrition. We can offer them free college. But what they want more than assistance is a chance to compete again. And we can offer that.
We can offer that without making concessions on civil rights or pretending we agree with them on social issues. In fact, the alternatives seem to me to be either giving up on them and their communities altogether (which means empowering their worst elements and our political opponents) or conceding on these things and asking them to vote for the lower calorie version of what they actually prefer.
For further reading on this, see Barry Lynn’s The Democrats Must Become the Party of Freedom and Paul Glastris’s Hillary Clinton Finally Takes On Corporate Monopolists.
This is your best column on tbis. You’ve obviously thought about the feedback you’ve gotten. However, an unstated premise in this program is that while emphasizing these economic policies, the Dems would be deemphasizing the culture war politicking. That might be really hard to pull off because for both POC and white SJWs, which are two big Dem constituencies, the culture war matters a lot more. Will they stand meekly aside and let Bernie run on this platform?
There’s no way Bernie’s dumb enough to turn his back on social justice issues. He responded well to criticism of his tone-deafness on such issues early on in the last primary.
A few of his prominent “Bernie Bro” supporters did what they could to poison his image by showing their ass on blogs and social media but Bernie can’t be held responsible for every callow dipshit on the internet who backs him.
Nostalgia is a dangerous drug, as the past is always remembered somewhat more sweetly than was the case. So yeah, let’s grant these voters some nostalgia for the hazy past, and the implicit nostalgia of their (much-mocked) MAGA slogan.
The question for them, of course, is “nostalgic for what?” Not for the 11,000 year old stable climate, that’s for sure–which they have single-mindedly worked (and voted) to irreversibly destroy. Nostalgia for an (overwhelmingly) white-dominated America (both in appearance and culture)? Bad nostalgia, too!
So Lord knows what exactly resonated with Der Trumper’s phrase MAGA phrase. No one wants the small towns and small cities of America to perform crappily and turn into burned-out, run-down shit holes—except maybe the actual plutocrat/CEO class that “conservatism” assiduously created. There are the smaller regional cities that have declined with the loss of manufacturing power, and the small towns that have declined with the loss of family farms/Mainstreet merchants/population and the rise of the goddam asteroid belts of franchise heaven. The causes of decline vary greatly.
Repubs were never, ever going to help the small towns and regional cities of Red America do better as circumstances and time worked against them–in fact Repubs were administering the Zyklon B! Yet (speaking of monopolies) they now have a seeming monopoly on the votes of these folks. This is where Dems chasing after the same plutocrat dollars turned out to be poor strategic planning…
I don’t know how much American political analysts should draw from the 2016 election. In my opinion if 2016 is the future, American democracy is dead.
It seems to me, that, generally speaking, Clinton lost because in the key swing states she lost the rural areas 80-20 instead of 70-30. Did this happen because the Democrats had the wrong message for these people?
Or did she lose because Bernie Sanders supporters in these areas bought into the Sanders bullshit about Hillary Clinton? These were also the voters who were subjected to a torrent of fake news and Russian propaganda about Clinton. These were people who were already surrounded by Trumpeters and already agreed with much of what Bernie-Donald had to say about corrupt Hillary, election rigging, trade, immigration and foreign policy.
It seems to me that it was easy to flip these voters. Even today, while they will express disappointment with Trump so far, they do not regret their vote because Hillary is a she-devil.
How will changing the Democratic message won’t change anything. The Russians, Republicans, Alt right and alt left will all be back with more bullshit and propaganda tailored to key swing voters again in 2018 and 2020. Why won’t it work again?
I don’t know how to solve the problem – I don’t expect critical thinking skills among American voters will magically appear any time soon. While I think Democrats should wholeheartedly embrace anti-monopoly platforms, the actual platform had absolutely nothing to do with the result of the 2016 election. How will this message get through the noise? How does any message get through the noise?
Bullshit decided the 2016 election and the world’s biggest bullshitter won. How do Democrats win a fact free election?
I don’t have a clue.
I don’t know how this anti-monopoly/anti-trust platform is supposed to work in practice. As Matt Yglesias posted recently, the Sherman Antitrust Act is designed to operate against monopoly trusts that act to dominate a market and extort higher prices. That’s not what’s happened to small-town America. Walmart (I am assuming that’s the sort of thing your are talking about) has succeeded while charging much lower prices than the competition. So has Amazon, Google, etc. Moreover, Walmart doesn’t have 100% of the retail market, not while Costco, Target, and (especially) Amazon still exist. So there’s really no legal complaint to be made under current legislation.
Nor do I really know what your proposed solutions are. Do we breakup Walmart like the old Ma Bell? A bunch of regional Walmart chains would have somewhat less negotiating leverage to keep prices down, but would that be enough to make Main Street small business competitive? Even if so, most of those businesses are gone, and there is not going to be a lot of interest or capital to start a five and dime from scratch in a small town where profit margins are going to be low at best.
You could theoretically implement a corporate tax that is punitive to large-scale businesses and subsidizes small ones, though not sure that does anything to a business model like McDonalds. But that sounds a lot like raising the price of consumer goods and hoping that good comes out of that, without any assurance that it will.
“It might seem impossible for someone to be attracted to Trump because of his racist attitudes and also attracted to Barack Obama, but it wasn’t impossible at all”
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I like the tone of this piece, because I have a personal peeve when people think that complex systems and then boil causality down to one key thing. it drives me crazy. almost nothing in life happens because of ‘one big thing’. it’s all the things added up, and then usually a dose of luck and circumstance.
most of the time there’s a whole pile of things that makes things happen. so sure, a racist could vote for Obama. Democrats need to stop looking for the magic bullet and start working all the levers at once.
Let me suggest one tiny anti-monopoly step to give small business a leg up. When I was in the retail business, I sold a specific item. One day I went to Costco, and saw the same item on sale there for just .75 more than my wholesale price. Clearly Costco had been able to buy the item for a much lower cost than my cost.
Now suppose that anti-monopoly statutes had a “most favored buyer” clause, that no wholesale buyer is entitled to a lower price than any buyer. Of course, Costco would still have enormous advantages over my little shop, but I also have advantages of personal service, relationships, and convenience, and I can compete, even on price.
Making volume discounts illegal? To protect a preferred business? How does a business get to be preferred? Campaign contributions?
The small retailer business model is dead and good riddance. No one owes you a higher than market price.
Apropos the small retailer model: I grew up working in the family business (a small mom-and-pop grocery, quite literally) in a state with fair-trade laws on certain goods, including hard liquor, which we priced according to a booklet put out by the state. Safeway, for example, used the same booklet. Here’s what Wikipedia has to say about the topic, my emphasis added in boldface:
“A fair trade law was a statute in any of various states of the United States that permitted manufacturers the right to specify the minimum retail price of a commodity, a practice known as ‘price maintenance’. Such laws first appeared in 1931 during the Great Depression in the state of California. They were ostensibly intended to protect small businesses to some degree from competition from very large chain stores during a time when small businesses were suffering. Many people objected to this on the grounds that if the manufacturers could set the price, consumers would have to pay more even at large discount stores. The complexity of the market also made the enforcement of these laws almost impractical. As the chain stores became more popular, and bargain prices more common, there was a widespread repeal of the laws in many jurisdictions. By 1975, the laws had been repealed completely.”
One can argue, as Voice implicitly does, that this style of regulation is bad because “[n]o one owes you a higher than market price.” I would ask what defines “market price”. I would ask whether there are choices other than price controls found in a command economy and pure laissez faire capitalism. Different countries come to different decisions.
I’d have to look up the definition in a textbook, but it’s something like “the price determined by open transactions in a market with many buyers and sellers such that no buyer or seller can control the price.” Such a market is inherently unstable. The New York stock exchange is an example. It’s also an example of laws forbidding price fixing and use of insider knowledge.
As I’ve said before, if Walmart moved into a location and undercut everyone, possibly even underpricing their other stores, then when the local stores were gone, they jacked up the prices, that would be predatory pricing and is (or should be) illegal. If they are just more efficient, that’s business.
The same with Amazon. They drove the small bookstores AND the large chains out of business because they had a better model. More customer choice and reduced overhead. Now that they are a virtual monopoly they need profit controls and price regulation. We wish there were a thousand Amazons, but the market is not that big.
That’s Capitalism and even Lenin found out that pure Communism doesn’t work (New Economic Policy). Why? Because Communism is based on cooperation and altruism. Capitalism is based on human greed (both sellers AND buyers). Greed wins every time. Perhaps humans are descended from pigs instead of apes.
Society can put brakes on the greed, but they shouldn’t decide who gets to exploit and who doesn’t. Face it, those little stores were mini-monopolies. Buyers had no where else to go except the Sears and Ward’s catalogs and you couldn’t get groceries from them. Did they hire based on discrimination? Did they practice nepotism? Did they discriminate in extending credit?
Walmart is an abuser. I know that. The solution is to regulate them. Not to favor anyone else, but to establish minimum humane working conditions and fair trade. The solution is not to elect a Walmart board member to the Presidency nor to grab huge donations from Wall Street.
I have a good friend whose parents had a small store. He’s older even than me (Korean War vet) and a rock-ribbed Republican. He’s convince FDR ruined his parent’s family business by price support laws. He’s sure (his parents probably told him) that if only they could have cut their prices they would have survived. All my arguments about a race to the bottom fell on deaf ears.
I just have to add this anecdote about my friend. We were in our shop at the Post Office and he was going off on another rant about Roosevelt and Daley when another mechanic got fed up. This guy was from a poor South Carolina family and grew up with a newspaper picture of Roosevelt on the wall. He shut him up with, “You know. If you had ever once in your life voted Democratic, maybe you wouldn’t have to be working in the Post Office at 75!”
This was one of your better anecdotes.
Thank you.
Home Rule. We need to take back America from the corporations. There is no reason any city whether the population is 500 or 8 million should be forced to have a charter school. Forced to let the corporate retailer operate on Sunday or a national holiday. Force to have wait for the federal government to mandate family leave. Forced to limit hourly wages to poverty levels. The list is endless.
What’s with Sunday? Forced Christianity?
Forced “letting your workers have a day off”.
Why Sunday? Some would prefer Friday or Saturday. Illinois has a law forbidding car sales on Sunday. Supposedly to give the salesmen a day off. I’m sure there are many Jewish salesmen who would prefer to have Saturday off or Friday night off and work on Sunday s9o a Christian co-worker could have Sunday off.
My point is not why a day off but why is the Christian Sabbath the day?
In the P.O. we got time and a half on the sixth day (double time over eight hours on the sixth) and double time all day on the seventh. (Even there, I’ll concede, it was specifically time and a quarter on Sunday even if it was part of your basic 5 days) Union contract. A law like that would go a long way to assuring workers of a day off and I assure you there would be volunteers for seven days even if base pay is decent.
If i could give you more +excellent for this I would.
That was its origin, but our very non-religious family strongly supported the Blue Laws, as they were then called. Sunday was a day to be spent with your family, immediate or extended. It was a break from the usual routine of work and school. A time for rest and relaxation. We generally enjoyed special meals, time together out doors at a park or museum or doing special things together at home if the weather kept us inside.
Given our rural location, we rarely see the inside of a big box store, but on the occasion I find myself in one I am shocked to see that shopping has become a major family activity on weekends, especially Sunday. Shopping has become a leisure activity rather than a necessity.
LeTourneau quotes Robert Muder:
And that is why the Second Amendment looms large; it converts illegal resistance to Constitutionally-permitted resistance if force succeeds in changing the legal order. Watch for how the nation’s police and groups like Oath Keepers start acting in concert to ensure against attempts to rally democratically organized change parallel to a compromised electoral process. (That’s small-d democratically.)
And this from LaTourneau:
And that is why the major practical accomplishments of the Trump administration so far is to disenfranchise in prospect immigrants who might have been part of that changing political America. Disenfranchisement is Trump’s domestic policy to Make America Great Again. No different in aim than Jim Crow laws 120 years ago.
We face a future together in which all hell breaks loose.
Now to comment on your riffs on this article and others.
In fact, you want to beat the politicians that use them. You just are not going to waste time on them until they are disentralled from that sort of politics. That has been a long-term critique from Southern progressives of the failure of the Blue Dog movement. It never disenthralled people from the likes of Strom Thurmond and Jesse Helms. The New Deal did do some of that disenthrallment regardless of the persistents of the Cotton Ed Smiths and the Theodore Bilbos. I understand this position entirely. It makes sense without being uncompassionate. First things first.
One can see this geographically in how Republican votes started to roll back Democrats votes beginning 1994. Two-party states in the South, with “progressive” Democrats (in the terms of their campaign pitches at the time) began being rolled up by “conservative” Republicans with each cycle producing ever more extrem competition for what constituted “conservative principles”. Thus in my old district in SC, Liz Patterson, who reclaimed the SC-04 seat from Republican Carroll Campbell, lost to Bob Inglis, who kept his term limit promise and opened the seat to Jim DeMint, and who followed DeMint when he went to the Senate. And Inglis being defeated by Trey Gowdy in 2010, when John Spratt, the last white Democratic Congressman, was replaced by Mick Mulvaney. From these names, you see how important this Greenville-Spartanburg SC district became to the GOP leadership (no doubt a benefit of Jim DeMint’s ascension to CEO of the Heritage Foundation. Nonetheless, there are 34.4% of the vote for Clinton. And this is in worst case country. The question BooMan is rasing here is how many of the 60% who voted for Trump are Confederate nostalgics and how many are otherwise rational actors who if given clear policy choice might vote for a Democratic candidate for office. For how many is the Democratic label incurably toxic? I think that’s an excellent question that might enlarge the map of possibility.
This used to be so easy. People voted the candidate that they had trust would credibly serve and represent their interests in the executive or the legislature. Politicians, especially Democrats, had a very straightforward way of doing that.
But that was before economic snake oil, perpetual war, and the Culture War muddied those waters. And strong daddy and strong momma don’t exactly play out equivalently.
The left rode on nostalgia for the New Deal for quite some time. Trouble is, most of those New Deal majority voters were gone around 1994. The GOP is rapidly approaching that point with Ronald Reagan. Young Reagan voters in 1980 are in their 50s.
In truth, can we? Even with stronger anti-monopoly/anti-monopsony laws (think of Uber). That alone? Or are we setting up new “entrepreneurs” for the same old ravenous game? With well-heeled lawyers fully equipped to bend the new laws to a different form of financial concentration?
What exactly will these new entrepreneurs do? Where will their customers come from? This smacks of one plank of an economic policy in isolation.
As a settler colonialist country, all of this country was once on the frontier; the frontier was the institution that allowed efficient theft of Indian land and extension of slavery; it also allowed failed entrepreneurs to get beyond the reach of their creditors. The notion of personal responsibility alone is romanticism of “rugged individualism” and cussedness. And in most places, it wasn’t “accepting help”, it was called surviving together through cooperation. In gentle times it became reciprocal “favors”. But in those days, few had to worry about some whippersnapper with money thinking about how disruptive to the economic order he could be.
Self-reliant people accept free (at the point-of-use) access to general infrastructure–libraries, zoos, most roads. All of those services (and including healthcare) can become general infrastructure.
In my experience, truly self-reliant people aren’t looking for a chance to compete, they are looking for a chance to contribute their share honestly to society. A lot their anger has to do with people who will not cling to bullshit jobs like they do, an anger rooted in the fact that they realize they are stuck in a bullshit job just by the way an organization is managed.
In my experience, self-reliant people try to turn bullshit jobs into actual productivity and are surprised that their production is no appreciated and actively squelched.
Unless the plan is to repeal every state’s corporation laws, I don’t see how this world of self-reliant entrepreneurs and small businesses comes about. But if it comes about, not having anti-monopoly laws surely makes them sitting ducks for concentration as were the proliferation of hardware and software companies that created the PC revolution and were put out of business by Microsoft, HP, and Dell. Or the internet companies that were the engines of growth in the late 1990s and were put out of business by venture capitalists who made bad investments in 20-year-olds, or companies that exploited the monopoly effects of the wealth of networks (what the private utilities that were broken up in the 1920s also did), such as Google and Facebook. Or internet stores that were put out of business by Amazon’s vertical and now horizontal consolidation.
Barry Lynn’s has some the same issues, but I can’t let this pass:
Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Jackson, were also southern planters and also used the party to protect their slave estates and expand the range of slavery. Being conflicted in one’s journals does not escape that reality.
Finally, the effects of the knowledge of Hillary Clinton’s paid speeches to major financial institutions completely undercut (as it was intended to do) the speech Clinton gave in Toledo. Politicians today need to pay more attention with having their lives outside campaigns and their speeches within campaigns be more of a unified piece. The rush for cash is too dominating in politics.
Thought-provoking criticism, thank you.
This is a really smart and thought-provoking post. So much so that I’ll actually think about it instead of blathering.
Mostly nice analysis. Pretty good except:
1. Admitting that racism was the reason for the 2016 election result does not mean “writing off” whole sections of the country.
We have to face reality, not indulge in fantasies. If nobody in rural America ever hears a good word about “socialism” and yet their world is falling apart, they are going to turn to fascism. It worked for Mussolini and it worked for Trump.
2. Anti-Trust is great! But, remember that most of Middle America has virtually no economic reason to exist today. These communities were settled by farmers and ranchers and miners, to take advantage of extractive industries. Only ranching, mining and farming aren’t exactly boom industries today. Most have become either obsolescent (like coal) or heavily mechanized like farming. The labour simple isn’t needed anymore, leaving thousands of small communities dying out slowly.
Anti-Trust isn’t going to help any of these people. It might help high-tech startups compete with Apple or Amazon, but it isn’t going to help 50-something workers who’ve been downsized and now work for $12.50 an hour at Costco.
So, it’s futile to talk about anti-trust enforcement, even if we could accomplish it, which we can’t without taking Congress, the Presidency and a working majority on the S.Ct. And it wouldn’t make much difference in the lives of Middle America if we could enact it.
So, anti-trust as a political strategy isn’t a winner. But, I’ll support it! Of course, I’m a bitter lefty, so who cares what I think.
Anti-trust enforcement today pursued as it was from the 1900s to the 1920s would likely break up:
Big oil once again
Big power utilities once again
Big banks once again
Big tobacco once again
Big PhRMA
Big health insurance
Big software
Big hardware
Big retail
Big media
Big real estate
Big auto dealers
Big supply chain management
Big rail
Big airlines
Big telecommunications
Big defense
Big chemicals
Big agribusiness
Big credit reporting
Big credit cards
Big shipping
Big grocery chains
Tell me once again how to bell that cat.
Failing to have effective anti-monopoly measures means repeated instances of the the 2008 panic in which purely financial reality is translated into physical reality just so that CEOs can monetize their winnings.
And there is no more reason to have private power companies than there is to have private toll roads (which I believe Trump wants to bring back).
Markets are for rationing scarce goods and services by ability to pay. Thank goodness FDR didn’t let that happen during the rationing during World War II. Most people never would have had the savings that allowed the boom in home ownership after World War II. Wage-price controls plus rationing in a time of wartime full-mobilization scarcity mean that cash accumulated because there was little to spend it on or because guys at war don’t have time to keep up with the finances. Both applied. There was for many people enough for a down payment on a home after the war, if there was a home available. When construction caught up, inevitable overbuilding of suburbs plus government housing programs made “the American dream” possible. By then those in the industry wanted to bring back unregulated markets, not sensing that they ultimately would be shooting themselves in the foot with cycles of boom and bust recession driven by supply-demand overcorrections in housing markets. And every time, homebuilders thought they could make a bundle by getting the government to goose the market again, not accepting that at some point the piper must be paid.
GI Bill helped too.
It is likely that the mere threat of stronger monopoly enforcement will win votes. Makes for a nice issue.
The problem, of course, is the risk to losing big donors.
Bernie Sanders showed us it is still possible to compete without big donors.
Is America Past the Point of No Return? — Alternet.org
I like what you’re saying here, Martin. Still I don’t think nostalgia for being self-reliant accounts for the rise in populism in many countries, not just ours. We can’t separate what happened here from what happened with Brexit. Nationalism, fear of immigrants, racism, etc. played a role in this election…in part because the voters were manipulated by the Russians. After we elected DT, the other countries, which were close to falling prey to the same manipulation techniques, suddenly shook off their stupor and voted out the populist/nationalist candidates the Russians were supporting. Pull the Russian attempts to destroy the Western alliances out of the mix and let Hillary’s message get equal time on the airwaves as DT’s and she wins.
I can’t discount the massive advantage DT had with the media. EVERY outlet was tearing her down, and letting DTs message through live and unfiltered for months on end. It was a powerful, addictive drug. Everyone was tuning in to see what he’d say or do next. It was entertainment…of the wrestling/soap opera variety. Honestly, the only person on the planet who could drown out that noise would have been Barack Obama.
I think we keep reaching for an intellectual policy answer here when decisions aren’t made for the vast majority of people intellectually or logically. It’s emotional and talking about policy won’t get us there. I know that’s our go to move but it’s not going to work in this situation.
Can we communicate with them, have empathy with their situation and provide a solution that they actually want? I don’t know if we have even started the first part of this process yet, do we actually understand emotionally and intellectually what their situation is right now and why they feel the way they feel from their point of view, not from ours?
Is anti-monopoly the answer? I’m not entirely convinced that it is myself because I’m not sure if we enforce the laws like you imagine if we could legally break up these chains like you want to do. Are they in restraint of trade? Is being big in of itself illegal? I don’t know that’s true. How far down the chains do you go? How big is big enough to break up? Are we breaking up McDonald’s and Burger King too? These are all legitimate questions and the results of any of them are unknown. Will it actually help or will it just be another promise that fails?
Burger King and McDonalds are franchisers. If you want to run a successful restaurant in much of this country, being a franchisee is now one of your better options, but it’s rarely more profitable than owning and operating your own place without all the start-up costs and fees.
Franchising is a part of the problem, but these aren’t classic monopolies. Franchises compete with each other and it’s rare that a single franchise will corner the market on prepared food.
Here’s what’s happened.
We’ve stopped looking at antitrust law as a way to protect small businesses and looked only at how to protect consumers. If a monopoly can provide excellent services at a low price, then consumers benefit and everyone is happy, right?
But this change in focus gutted middle America. Everyone focuses on the steel mill that closed, and that’s important. But when a hundred businesses are replaced by five businesses, people lose in countless ways. What happens to the people who build and sell commercial real estate? What happens when you want a raise and there is no competitor to run to? What happens when no one in the community remembers how to run a business? When few locals are employing their neighbors? When everyone works for some far-away corporate headquarters that doesn’t give one shit about their community?
What these folks are suffering from is very similar to what our cities suffered from after the post-1968 white flight to the suburbs. The vibrancy of the local economy is gone along with the whole shopkeeper ethos that used to characterize smalltown America. There’s a loss of opportunity and a loss of autonomy and self-reliance. There’s a brain drain. There’s a loss of resources that can be passed from parents to children.
It’s a down-the-line disaster, which be seen by the grown of deaths of despair, mainly alcoholism, drug overdoses and suicide, along with increasing dependence on government assistance.
The Dems offer more government assistance and wonder why this isn’t seen as the answer.
We need something different. I think I have it.
I agree with all that and I understand that, I was using McDonald’s as an example of size but there are still chains that aren’t franchises that are pretty big too but that’s not really the point.
Anti-monopoly might be the policy answer and it might even work but will people in these areas not only understand that it will help (which I think they can and do) but does it emotionally connect enough to change their votes? I think they’re able to grasp the logically argument but I’m not sure it’s enough to change their “political” mind.
From my interview with Tom Perriello:
I read that, and I’m not saying they don’t have the sophistication to understand that this might help them and achieve a better life. Logically, intellectually it makes sense; but is that enough to move votes is the real question.
I know that was a limited race but Perriello still lost and I was hoping he would win because then it would be easy, well at least more of a straight line.
I’m not making the argument that these voters don’t know any better or that a better safety net or college is what they want. I agree with you on those points.
I’m saying that first I’m not sure it will work and second before we even get to will it work does it make the emotional connection needed to move votes? I’m not sure if a policy prescription is what’s missing for these voters to vote Democrat or if it’s something else that maybe can’t be captured.
How do you redirect the real anger that’s out there? Right now it’s not directed a very productive manner for them, for us or for the country. We know that, they on some level know that but is a better directed policy going to move their “political” minds to vote Democrat when every other indicator in their lives is against doing that?
You could be right but maybe we need a back up plan if policy isn’t the answer.
Read those Wilson and Humphrey quotes again, and put a little anger into them.
“We’ve stopped looking at antitrust law as a way to protect small businesses and looked only at how to protect consumers. If a monopoly can provide excellent services at a low price, then consumers benefit and everyone is happy, right? “
Well, if you are going to run against that, you are going to have an uphill battle. What part of that equation do you propose to ban — providing excellent service? Low prices? Presumably not, but then what is the program?
I’d still like to know how you make a main street general store competitive in an environment where large, efficient corporations exist.
I agree in principle as a matter of governance with what Mr. Longman is urging as a matter of politics. As Roosevelt put it in a 1936 speech specifically attacking “business and financial monopoly”: “We know now that Government by organized money is just as dangerous as Government by organized mob.”
But if this idea is going to move forward, it needs to develop an economic side as well (as I’ve repeatedly pointed out). Specifically: if I’m living in Panora, Iowa (as my wife’s family once did), what’s the “value proposition” to me as a customer to shop at a locally-owned general store rather than buying from Amazon? Amazon offers a far wider range of goods, probably better prices, dependable delivery to my home, and extensive customer ratings and manufacturer’s information that will not be available at the general store. And if customers aren’t motivated to shop there, the store won’t survive — making academic the beneficial sociopolitical effects Mr. Longman discusses. At some point, Mr. Longman really needs to address this issue.