I’m pretty scrupulous about avoiding the ongoing fights between the Clinton and Sanders wings of the party, and I’m not going to engage on those terms here. Instead, I’m just going to offer some friendly advice to Ryan Cooper, who was my predecessor as the web editor of the Washington Monthly. He ought to attempt a paradigm shift, at least for long enough to see how it looks.
Cooper is at pains to explain to us why “leftists” are mistrustful of three African-American politicians whose names are mentioned as serious, potentially viable presidential candidates for 2020. The primary motivation for providing us with this explanation is to beat back accusations that they oppose them as possible contenders because of their race.
Freshman Sen. Kamala Harris of California is mistrusted, Ryan says, because she is a prosecutor. As for specifics, she took a campaign contribution from now-Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin and failed to bring him up on charges without an adequate explanation. Former Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick is a favorite of Barack Obama, but he works for Bain Capital, the same vulture capitalist organization that Obama tied like a millstone around Mitt Romney’s neck. And Sen. Cory Booker of New Jersey, like all New Jersey senators since the days of Alexander Hamilton, is too close to Wall Street. He has not yet been forgiven for defending Bain Capital and other vulture capitalists during the 2012 campaign.
In other words, there are real and somewhat obvious reasons for “the left” to see each of these candidates as captured or compromised by some of the nastier elements of the financial sector. Thus, it’s disingenuous and unfair to attack their critics as racists.
A column that said nothing more than this would be needed and helpful, but Cooper goes a little further and offers these candidates some advice:
If they want to win over the left — and Harris, who has expressed at least mild support for tuition-free public college (for families with income less than $140,000), a $15 minimum wage, expanded Social Security, and Medicare for all, would probably be the most credible person to attempt this — they need to first explain their recent history.
Second, and perhaps more importantly, they need to make a symbolic rhetorical break with the despised donor class.
Human beings are very good at pattern-recognition, and the same talent that allows Cooper to see the “donor class” ties of these three prospective presidential candidates allows others to see how race ties them all together as well. If the latter pattern leads to lazy and uncharitable generalizations, perhaps the same is true of the former pattern. Can we agree at least that in both cases there is a problem with how things are perceived?
The paradigm shift I’m advocating here involves setting aside for a moment the discussion of what these three African-American politicians need to do to explain their recent history or make symbolic breaks with their past. Instead, “the left” should consider what they need to do to overcome the perception among many African-Americans that the Sanders wing of the party is somewhere between tone-deaf and hostile.
To be candid, I’m not saying that either exercise is more legitimate than the other. In fact, part of what I’d expect Cooper to learn from this exercise is that there are real limitations to both ways of analyzing the political rifts on the left.
But let’s acknowledge that Harris, Patrick and Booker are immensely talented, accomplished and charismatic leaders, none of whom can be fairly dismissed based on the connections each has to the financial sector. Lumping them together, too, as if defending Bain Capital is the same as working for them, or as if Booker’s record is really similar to Harris’s, just invites others to question your open-mindedness and motives.
As a more practical matter, “the left” should consider that David Axelrod is not wrong in his analysis:
Obama strategist David Axelrod has had several conversations with [Deval] Patrick about running, and eagerly rattles off the early primary map logic: small-town campaign experience from his 2006 gubernatorial run that will jibe perfectly with Iowa, neighbor-state advantage in New Hampshire and the immediate bloc of votes he’d have as an African-American heading into South Carolina.
Add to this that the African-American community will probably put more weight on the fact that the Obamas are endorsing or at least noisily encouraging Patrick to run than on his job at Bain Capital. They’ll hear that Valerie Jarrett says, “President Patrick is what my heart desires,” and it will count for more than what a bunch of Sanders supporters write on Twitter. If Patrick runs, “the left” will need to come up with a substantive and respectful way of opposing him that doesn’t amount to condemning the Obamas by association. This will be harder to do if the perception sets in in the black community that the Sanders left is opposed to every African-American with an actual shot at being president.
In fact, I suspect Cooper’s fear that the Sanders left will be characterized this way even if it isn’t fair is what led him to write this piece in the first place. But if he sees the vulnerability, his main advice is not to his cohorts on how they can and must avoid this fate. His main advice is to the African-American candidates on how they can avoid taking criticism that they have zero prospect of actually avoiding.
“The left” has already built a narrative around each of the candidates and they’re not going to let those narratives go. Cory Booker can disavow political action committee money, but that will never end the criticism of his record as New Jersey mayor and senator. Kamala Harris cannot go back in time and refuse a political donation or prosecute a man she declined to prosecute. Deval Patrick can no more escape his ties to Bain Capital than Mitt Romney could. If “the left” insists on reducing these individuals down to these unflattering characteristics and refuses to see them in full, then they’re going to invite a well-deserved backlash.
The reason I’ve been putting “the left” in quotes throughout this piece is because it’s absurd to suggest that the vocal opponents of Harris, Patrick and Booker have sole ownership of the term. And they must know that they can’t forge a truly left-leaning takeover of the Democratic Party without making deep inroads with people of color. Moreover, David Axelrod is correct that the early primary schedule could favor a talented, charismatic African-American candidate who has the official or unofficial blessing of the Obama team.
So, what Cooper should try focusing on, at least for a while to see how it looks, is how “the left” can avoid marginalization on the basis of perceived racial insensitivity. In my opinion, neither side can avoid their fates here. “The left” will attack these black candidates as a group for their Wall Street connections no matter how many allies advise them that this will be unwise and self-defeating. But, if you’re trying to be constructive, you might consider that the best way to protect “the left” from charges of racism is not to insist that they have a point, even if they do. It might be better to do what is expected by decent people, and that’s to be fair and focus on the strengths of these candidates and the fullness of their records rather than lumping them together and dismissing them as sell-outs.
Thing about various versions of purity tests is that they always remind me of people who accept a bid to renovate their house solely on the basis of price. Low bids generally are missing something, or a lot of somethings and reflect a laziness on the part of the home owner.
If I recall correctly, Booker was slammed regularly on this blog by Our Progressive Betters at the time that speculation about Hillary Clinton’s running mate was a dominant topic of discussion….
And I will continue to be hostile to Booker.
As long as he is not the nominee that is perfectly fine. Afterwards it is unforgivable. Just to remind you, we are fighting for the survival of civilisation here.
Maybe not, Booker has to lose his association with the drug companies.
What bullshit hyperbole! You are fighting over which corrupt politician gets control of the Presidential gravy train.
Real people live or die based on “which corrupt politician gets control of the presidential gravy train”. They number in the millions.
They are all corrupt
We wont care who hurts and dies
Demand perfection
To that point, a person I once thought I knew well went on a tirade a while back and straight up told me that I and my spouse deserved to lose our health care because we voted for HRC. Wish I could make this shit up. Did plenty of ableist-splaining (that is a thing, apparently) in the process. I want to believe that this faction of the Sanders wing is a small minority. Probably is. But that whole burn it all down to the ground mentality is potentially harmful for those of us who simply want things to work better for us.
I like to think its a small but loud sentiment.
But its as ugly as it is on the other side.
When people blindly fight for their pure ideologies they just stop caring about who gets fucked as a result, no matter who fights or what ideology they are fighting for. Fuck all the infidels and their impurities, when we have power everything will be so much better.
Ofcourse its not a religious extremist cult, but there always are striking resemblances in behavior and outcome.
If you want to make a revolutionary omelette, you have to break a few
liveseggs.And the ones advocating for the egg-smashing expect to be the smashers, not the smashed.
That often turns out quite poorly.
Really like your work, but I think there is a factual error in this post. I am pretty sure that Kamala Harris (while a person of color) is NOT African-American, but of Asian-Indian familial origin.
From Wikipedia:
That MIGHT be true, but I have never heard Kamala Harris identified as anything but Asian-Indian. I pay close attention to this because — while I am Caucasian, my wife is Asian-Indian (and pure Tamil). She would NEVER identify our children as Caucasian. (Nor would I).
I know the Indian culture pretty well–in many ways it is more “racist” than in the US — at least in the sense that between “caste”, “community”, and “color-darkness”, et alia (many thereof) (most of which have NO English synonyms) , the “Indians” (as a super-grouping) have dimensions of discrimination which we in the West cannot even categorize, let alone evaluate. This discrimination is considered perfectly reasonable and valid in India. Things are DIFFERENT there.
Interesting but confusing post.
Your point is that although Harris has both african american and indian american roots,she identifies as indian american so classifying her as african american is wrong?
I am not convinced thats a thing for anyone but Harris herself to object to.
Maybe i am missing something obvious about the indian culture you said?
Indian Mother, African American father of Jamaican descent according to wikipedia.
too slow. :/
I agree: neither side can avoid their fates. These black candidates will be attacked by ‘the left’ for indebtedness to the donor/Wall Street class just as Clinton (and Romney) was. To some degree the attacks will be racially neutral. To some degree they will be racist.
Democrats are single-issue about different issues. For some, a red line issue is Wall Street connections. Not for Booman, so he’s happy to be fair and focus on other strengths. For some a red line issue reproductive rights. Not for some Democrats, so they’re happy to be fair and focus on other strengths. It’s always completely obviously that people with different single issues than mine should get a grip. Immature brats. (My issue, however, is fundamental.)
This is the heart of the matter. Some Democrats (let’s wildly inaccurately call them ‘the Sanders left’) believe that Obama (not ‘the Obamas,’ I’m not sure how Michelle, Malia, and Sasha got involved here) and the Obama administration deserves some degree of condemnation on a variety of issues. Other Democrats (let’s call them ‘the vast majority of Democrats’) believe that Obama and his administration deserve unqualified praise.
In the end–this is the ‘fate’ part–the ‘Praise’ faction will utterly stomp the ‘Condemn’ faction, which makes sense because they’re massively larger. In the process, they’ll do everything possible to further alienate the Condemners. (The Condemners will do the same, but not nearly as effectively, because they control so few of the party’s levers of power.) We’ll nominate a candidate with many impressive strengths and accomplishments, who is indebted to Wall Street and to the notion that our political system is, fundamentally, in perfect shape despite any recent deformations. Just fix the outrageousness, and we’re good.
I sound like ASG.
Im not looking forward to it but yeah, I embrace my fate in the condemn faction. I finally watched the Big Short a few weeks back and it reminded me of why.
I don’t know enough yet to reject or accept Harris or Patrick, but Booker is dead to me. Besides his well known wall street bias, he sat on one of Betsy DeVos’s school “choice” boards as mayor. I’ve already been called a purity troll and racist for criticizing him out loud and am ready for more of the same. I don’t understand how the message of reigning in Wall street abuses, prosecuting (virtually all white) bankers, breaking up monopolies has become a racial issue. For God’s sake, compare the prison rates of bank fraud to non-violent black crime! I admit to being white and also just not getting it. This is one piece of malevolent propaganda that can’t be blamed on Roger Ailes, the Kochs or Frank Luntz.
I’m not white.
I could maybe see my way to supporting Patrick (I did before) and Harris but I’ve read about Booker’s schools initiatives as mayor. To me it reinforces the image I have of him: a complete phony.
The reason I’ll support Bernie if he runs again and why my support for Obama evaporated by late-2009 is simple. I trust Bernie wants the same end goals I do, I don’t trust that about Booker or Obama. Booker defended Kushner if you recall.
Similarly for me previous unprofessional and inapprorpiate activities while DA in San Francisco makes Harris dead to me.
Shorter version: the moderate wing of the Party, having been discredited by Clinton’s loss, will now seek to trap Sanders on the issue of race, because that is only hope they have of hanging on to influence.
I do not see the moderates losing influence at all. What I see is a “left”, which never has held power, and obviously also has no idea how to achieve that.
And Sanders, for all his strengths, has probably misjudged the mood of the electorate in an essential point. He emphasized the free college issue a lot. Where we lost the last election, in the rural areas, with lots of white working class, many people do not aspire to college and may even resent their kids doing it, graduating and then talking down to their parents (presumably). So the emphasis on college probably did not help at all there. 2/3 of Americans do not have a college degree (from the book promoted by Martin a while ago “White working class”).
I don’t think we should downplay education. It is after all is said and done, the future for all of us.
Try telling that to the rightwingers I’ve encountered who regard teachers as lower than lepers.
Thanks for your comment, but I’m curious about your linkage between college and education. Plenty of well-educated people never attend, or graduate from college. More importantly for a democracy, the vast majority of citizens are not college graduates. There are lots of ways to get an education; college is one of them.
And as for economics, if the only way to have a decent income is to have a college degree, then that’s a severely troubled society. Wouldn’t you agree?
Any society that ignores education becomes increasing,y more ignorant. Certainly there are skilled trades that are necessary and pay well. And I include such education.
As you point out, this is exactly the same argument Booman has made, and I for one simply don’t understand it.
Free college tuition is meant to benefit people who want to go to college, not to harm people who don’t.
The free tuition only applies to the relatively small number of people who are actually accepted.
If it pisses off people who don’t want to go to college, fuck ’em. Nobody’s forcing them to go to college. But they are saying people who have been accepted into a public college should not go? Fuck ’em.
Gov. Andrew Cuomo (not exactly a flaming liberal) has just reinstituted free tuition throughout all SUNY (NY State) CUNY (NY City public) colleges for families earning less than $125,000.
http://www.timesunion.com/tuplus-local/article/9-things-to-know-about-Gov-Cuomo-s-free-tuition-10881
803.php
The reason, presumably, is that NY wants more college-educated people. Contrary to what some might think, most of NY is as rural as PA or VA, and on a 2015 WaPo ranking of smartest to dumbest states, partly based on percentage of college grads, NY ranks only 17th smartest, just above Missouri and just below Ohio.
https:/www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/11/13/actually-mr-trump-iowa-is-one-of-the-smart
est-states-in-the-union?utm_term=.04289087ba36
Speaking as a liberal democrat with bona fides reaching back to ’69 … I don’t give two hoots and a shit in Hell what the “Sanders Wing” of the party wants. Putting your feet on higher ground doesn’t count if you do it because you don’t want to work.
If they want to change the Democrats to something more to their liking let them do the work to make the change happen. Get out and find the people you want to run for mayor, city council, school board, local Dem boards, state council and the rest. You can’t start at the top.
I like the “Run for Something” people. I’ve given quite a bit of $$ to them for races and administrative costs. The people that I’ve seen running are running for state leges, school boards, mayors and whatnot. Most of them will get their lunch handed to them. Doesn’t matter. Next time they’ll know how to do it, or they’ll be willing to show someone else how to do it.
I’m not sure they realize it, but THEY (Not Sanders, Schumer, Brown or Clinton) are building the representative party of the 21st Century.
Sanders people are running all over the country for local and state office.
That runs the gammit from a local school board candidate in St Pete, the Seattle Mayor’s office, to local county elections in Salt Lake.
This is what makes the Sanders group very different: they are doing exactly what you suggest they are not.
They’re also running for leadership positions in local parties. Some are quite vocal about their intentions to run the old leaders out. Which makes sense. It’s a zero game. Not an evil purge as some of the old guard portray it. I think it will make a difference in 2020.
Uprated to counter warrantless troll rating
Booman writes;
I have not followed Harris’s career closely until very recently (When she quite obviously started running for national office), but I am very familiar with Booker and Patrick.
Corey Booker was a NJ pol for quite a while before breaking out into the national spotlight. As Newark’s mayor, he presided over the beginnings of Newark’s (very slow-moving, even today) attempt to cash in on the whole Brooklyn/Harlem-style gentrification thing. I work a great deal in Newark, so I watched him quite closely. He was the political equivalent of an ambulance chasing lawyer as mayor, and has continued his unabashed self-promotional ways as senator. Now the only difference is that he’s chasing a bigger ambulance. He lacks the…what I guess would be called “class,” even if the subject is an abject tool of the .01%…the subtlety of Obama. The national spotlight will shine on his personal deficiencies. He won’t make it, in my opinion.
I also watched Deval Patrick’s rise closely, if only because his father was Pat Patrick, a very good NYC jazz saxophonist who spent many years with the astoundingly strange Sun Ra Arkestra and was a bandmate of mine many times. Deval Patrick really impressed me. He appears to me to be simultaneously a master of diplomacy and also a master of internecine politics and media. His strengths would be emphasized by national exposure. His only downside as far as I am concerned? Obama is fronting for him. But on the other hand, I still do not believe that the time will be ripe in 2020 for any politician of any racial or political persuasion to win the Dem nomination without the backing of .01% powers like Bain Capital and Barack Obama.
So it goes.
Deval Patrick so far appears to me to have more “class” than does Obama.
He’s deeper.
Quieter.
Less anxious about his own image.
As I said, my own jury is out on Kamala Harris. She’s already being given the “uppity black woman” treatment by the national press, so maybe she’s really promising. I hope so.
Later…
ASG
The Sanders vrs. Harris stuff is such bullshit. It is based on the reactions of TWO former Bernie supporters, and the predictable reaction of the Peter Douches of the world.
Harris is, if Bernie does not run, a very likely Sanders successor. Which may be why she hired Bernie’s digital firm Revolution Marketing. Quick show of hands: who knew that?
Harris, who supports single payer, and free university tuition, is not a Sanders enemy in any reasonable ideological definition
What is instructive when it comes to Harris is that there ALREADY is a fight for access to her.
I asked a very senior person this summer when she thought the 2020 fight begin in earnest.
Her answer:”what makes you think the 2016 primary fight ended?”.
After all, why exactly does Harris need a digital marketing firm in 2017?
Conflating Harris with Booker (who is properly regarded by the left with suspicion) and Patrick is par for the course. They aren’t the same, and they are not viewed that way within the Sanders community I am exposed to.
Having said all of this, perhaps it might be worth asking what the true fault line is in Democratic Politics. A traditional analysis would say it is based on issues like taxation or Single Payer.
I am pretty sure that is wrong. This quote from the Nation I think is more accurate:
This is, I think, the most accurate read of the current political moment within the Democratic Party.
The core idea that Sanders and Trump shared was that the system was rigged. This was the core idea behind Corbyn’s rise in the UK. More than any policy message, this was the idea that drew young people to Sanders.
Booman is tone death about this difference. I think this is true of the professional DC left: which is why they scheduled an event at the fucking Four Seasons. To some degree this is really about the challenge Sanders represents to the array of think tanks and Washington based pundits.
Sanders people believe the reason Democrats lost is because they were compromised. The DC types influence is based on their access to big money.
This fight is deeper than any one issue difference. It actually isn’t easy to see a reconciliation between the two sides. And it is, for those involved, very personal.
I hope Harris understands and is able to traverse this fault line well: because she is for me the likely Democratic Party nominee. But if she doesn’t the Party will split wide open in 2020.
Because the left will absolutely not fall in line behind Corey Booker – and if he wins I believe the defections on the left will make 2000 look like a picnic.
I wrote here when I was at the Convention last July the Democratic Party was ready to come apart at the seams.
That is truer now than it was then.
Took a bribe to let the munchkin off the hook. That’s enough for me.
You have evidence of that allegation?
Where were the Democrats with the evidence to present against Mnuchin? Tammy Baldwin repeated the story but did not (to my knowledge) come forward with evidence.
It is very easy to smear candidates with allegations. And once smeared, very hard to get an understanding of the truth.
I’ve not seen any specifics at all about why the case was not carried forward. Evidence to carry it forward is usually a problem in white-collar crimes.
Took a “donation”, and then dropped a case. TarHeelDem, you are familiar with Chicago, you know how it goes.
Evidence is in the post I responded to. True, there is no explicit quid pro quo, but I didn’t fall off the cabbage truck either. If it quacks like a duck …
you could start the reconciliation by spelling Booker’s first name right.
When it comes to the left correcting spelling is about all the credibility you have.
Some of us remember this absurd hatchet job on Bernie – which was sheer bullshit.
http://www.boomantribune.com/story/2016/8/24/104753/062
Thanks. I just rered my comments. I stand by them.
In retrospect, the house flap seems to be an Al Giordano hit job.
Just a negative term of the cult of personality. Exactly why the attacks on Warren, Gillebrand, Harris, Patrick, and Booker seem so flat.
Guess her team didn’t take note of your hope and recommendation. Unfortunately, as in all elections, we only know the outcome for the strategy chosen and not for an alternative that was rejected. Thus, it remains conjecture that the alternative would have been better when the same or worse are also possible outcomes and yes, worse is always possible.
“Because the left will absolutely not fall in line behind Corey Booker”
As I said, the “left” has no idea how to win elections, at least no plausible ones. And no experience with winning elections I might add. Maybe at some point one should try to do things a little differently?
You mean like the people who ran the campaign ion 2016.
Those are the people you want in charge?
You mean like the people who ran the campaign ion 2016.
Those are the people you want in charge?
I think Booker has a bigger,problem than Wall Street. He has a,pharmaceutical one related to those drug companies in NJ. He is going to have to make some separation there and soon. ( Maybe he should get behind a plan to buy drugs from Canada? ) At the moment he is not acceptable to me. I like most everything I heard about Harris though and am neutral to Patrick. But it’s early yet.
Off-topic, but I’d like to request a post analyzing the WHO and WHY of leaks such as the Trump call with the Mexican president, the dictation on the plane story and so on.
Have no idea who. The the why….someone out there has no intention of letting the donald have more than 12 hours of positive press. It has been effective. They got the donald’s approval down to 33%.
That is something I have wondered myself, considering the toady quality of the Trump men.
I wonder if some leaks could be NSA.
We know thanks to Snowden that 1) NSA is always listening to phone calls, hacks phones etc 2) NSA likes to pretend that it is only listening when an actual human hears the recordings, and uses this to obfuscate their general surveillance 3) NSA breaks the rules that are supposed to control them on a regular basis.
And the deep state is in conflict with Trump.
This means that any leak can be the NSA and we wouldn’t know. (This of course doesn’t mean that needs to be NSA, other people leak too.)
The institutions that support all sorts of discrimination are in fact class-based institutions with different identity markers. This is something that “the Left” dealt with in the 1930s and the Democratic New Dealers had difficulty doing. The roles are reversed now because of the disappointments in policy over the last almost 30 years because of a strategic retreat that the Democrats took in the face of Reaganism. That retreat created some bad habits of equivocation and lack of clarity with ordinary voters. It also created some necessary temporary alliances that can in the hands of opponents can be hung around people’s necks in campaigns.
The issue of the moment is an effective opposition party that will capture the Congress, legislatures, and Presidency for the purpose of legislating and implementing policies of prosperity and sustainability domestically and security and peace in international relations. Those used to be long-term mantras of Democrats. All that is required is simply stated policies that tell how those will be done. “We cannot afford it” is not one of those policies. We will have to pay the piper for almost 50 years of illusions is the reality. Leadership is getting a majority of the voters to sign on to dispensing with those illusions and getting down to work on creating the prosperity and peace that we desire.
No one political faction can in fact dominate US politics; the current Congress is an illustration in that right now. Each party requires flexible brokering factions in order to get something done. Unity is of one moment or another.
The most disastrous part of US politics since LBJ is the personalization of politicians into cults and the eclipse of detailed thinking about policy. This focuses on picking people on their ability to win instead of on their ability to put together a package of policies that can drive government. We now have winners who cannot govern because the election turned on something other than policy.
The fact that there are African-Americans on the left who also have misgivings about African-American candidates seems to elude the white commenters on thiss issue as much as that there are African-Americans worried about the commitment of the left to equality in the easy equating of working class to white working class. Or the dismissing of blatant misogyny that first birthed the Second Feminist Wave out of the New Left of the 1960s and continues unexamined in the left, center, and right today.
Kamala Harris, Patrick Deval, and Cory Booker are all qualified candidates for the Democratic nomination. They have the advantage of being a younger generation in a time that too many voters are tired of seeing the gray hairs — Clinton, Biden, and now even Obama–and seek a return to the mean in the age of Presidents.
Where those and others will have a “left” problem is if they try to separate off support from the left in order to pursue a stereotypical “centrist” position. The political center is still up for grabs even after Trump’s victory because neither candidate established where the center of American politics currently is. It is fairly clear that it is well more public-spending oriented and pro-regulation, and less authoritarian than Trump’s position.
There are now some bold positions that are possible in 2020 that were areas of caution for Democrats in previous elections because of the lingering shimmer of Reaganism. That shimmer has now collapsed completely in the white supremacy of Bannon and Miller and the corruption of the billionaire appointees. The biggest mistake that any Democratic candidate can make now is to conduct business as usual instead of defining a new political environment.
Trump destroyed the foundations that the conservative movement supposedly rested upon. He will not succeed in creating the new political environment unless there is a total absence of an opposition party with a positive alternative. All opposition candidates for 2020 need to start laying out that alternative while Trump struggles to last out his term.
A good friend is quoted in this article.
To you point, see this about Seth Moulton and the center of the Party.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/28/seth-moulton-congressman-run-president-2020-profil
e-215428
When David Gergen, Stanley McChrystal, and David Petraeus are telling me where the center of the Democratic Party is, I am sceptical. I don’t think anyone knows clearly because of the political fuzziness in how the party defines itself as essentially “not the GOP”.
The one positive thing about Seth Moulton is that he has talked with Peter Gomes. Other than that, he will have to prove himself in Congress (difficult under the discipline that Pelosi has to have on most things in the House).
Other than that, he is just another Democratic military veteran who has not weighed in on national security policy. I don’t know that he is the center of the party right now, but that is not the issue.
The issue is constructing a party that wins elections; the center of that party will be the one to understand.
Shakesville has some fairly pertinent commentary as well. Must reading. Every. damned. word.
Damn straight!
Here is another take on it.
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Did Yarshar Ali orginate the meme? I don’t see any credited origin?
I can understand why Melissa McEwan has a beef with the attacks on every female Democratic potential candidate.
While the folks making the attacks might have voted for and even canvassed for Bernie Sanders, they seem out of the mainstream of Sanders supporters or even “the Left” except for the superannuated misogynists who triggered the 1960s feminist movement and never repented but still self-identify as “the Left”.
Nonetheless, we should be able to talk policy differences and some standards of propriety. Remember my long discourses on the attacks on Clinton (and the previous attacks on Carter) before you stereotype me.
My impression was that Yashar Ali had found it circulating around the internet tubes and was pointing out how profoundly offensive that was. It was being circulated by folks claiming to be Sanders supporters. As Ali notes in fairness (if you clicked on and followed the twitter thread he started), this was not something Sanders or his campaign endorsed.
It’s history is curious. Yarshar Ali notes it without attribution.
Al Giordano, who has had it in for Sanders for some time, echoes it, also without attribution and ties it tight to Sanders supporters.
Ryan Cooper tries to whitesplain/mansplain it (although for as much as I know about him, he may be neither).
And then Joy Reid hops on.
Is there an establishment strategy to try to bury Bernie Sanders that comes out of the DC and NY media?
I’m not seeing that controversy locally. It seems to be isolated to one part of the media.
Of course it’s offensive. It is meant to be offensive if it is a false flag meant to sink Sanders’ credibility and actions on policy issues.
It’s source need not be Democrats. It would be the sort of nonsense that Roger Stone would cook up. What I see is people using it to grind their own special axes.
More like Giordano and the usual center normies who don’t inhabit weird twitter taking meaning from something that isn’t there. I’ve seen Giordano say that the rose in people’s avatar has resemblance to the rose being used as a sexist symbol against women.
KnowYourMeme:
THREAD: The Official Explainer to Why Corncobs are Used by a Growing Segment of Left Twitter to Mock Centrist-Leaning Dems
I doubt I have that much use for Giordano. That said, to deny that some racial animus exists among a small sub-set of the Sanders crowd strikes me as at best disingenuous. Regrettably I actually casually know a couple individuals from my local community who have said some very nasty things about POC while claiming to represent the Sanders revolution. They don’t speak for the collective, I’ll grant that. But that sort of behavior left unchecked does no good to the cause, and left unchecked in my little corner of the world certainly turned out to be a bit of a turnoff to those who might have otherwise been willing to listen. Certainly turned me off. Just sayin’.
Let us not forget that certain posters right on this blog told us how irrelevant the primary votes for Clinton by all those black women were — they were just doing what their pastors told them. The level of denigrating contempt in that was astounding.
I’m not really a fan of weird twitter or their fusion with elements of left twitter. I largely agree with Booman on this issue (having shared Melissa’s articles in the past, I also agree with her a lot of the time, even if I can’t stand her comment space). But I’m tired of the hucksters in the center who gin up false outrage with disingenuousness on a regular basis to monetize their newsletters and follower list just as much as I hated FireDogLake and Jane Hamsher (and now YoungTurks).
Oh well, just like Booman I’m convinced that fates are sealed.
The fates are probably sealed at least in the sense that the gap between those who are looking for incremental reform and those who want to burn down everything to the ground is too wide to bridge. Honestly I don’t think it’s worth the bother any more, unless one is a glutton for frustration and heartburn. Hell, we are too far away from 2020 to have a realistic idea of who will mount campaigns in the primaries and folks are already writing off prospective candidates who have not even declared. It’s maddening. Mainly I avoid most corners of twitter, so it appears I mostly have avoided the lowlights. What little time I have for blog comments consumes my decreasing tolerance for outrage as it is. So it goes. I’ll be happy for some fresh faces as far as candidates go when 2020 rolls around. Will worry about the deets (as some of the younger folks might say) then.
My reply to her article:
excellent post. thank you.
Black people are just not against Black people earning money.
I hear that Deval Patrick works at Bain….and, I shrug.
Man went to Harvard and Harvard Law School..was a Governor…
He’s SUPPOSED to get a hook up like that….
Black people grew up where, more than likely when they went to visit Grandmama’s House, she had three pictures on her wall…
FDR, JFK and Jesus
Two White men from WEALTHY backgrounds.
During the 1960’s, MLK was added to the wall.
Go to Grandmama’s house today, and there will be a framed picture of Barack and Michelle Obama in with the family photos.
You think anyone Black gives two shyts that 44 gets 400k per speech?
Nope.
Spend any time at all on Black Twitter, and it seems clear that ship has sailed. For folks I read on there, they only see all the racist harassment they endured from Bernie supporters the past few years. My read is that POC and women pretty much are done with Bernie supporters, and there is nothing his supporters can do to fix that except get out of the way. They read every attack on Black and female candidates as racism/misogyny, and think all the stuff about Bain Capital, the donor class and Wall Street is covering up the racism.
If ‘the left’ wants to sit down and listen and learn a thing or two…maybe even admit that much of their criticism is based in racism and misogyny, then maybe things might change. As long as all ‘the left’ can do is finger-wag and insult people, then I don’t see any hope for healing.
Any harassment on Twitter need not be as it seems. Anyone can put up an ID, a badge and go off harassing on Twitter. It is the sort of stunt that some in the MSM have described Steve Bannon’s folks as doing.
But the victims take the attribution as gospel.
The idea that any white person spontaneously has escaped the influence of the institutions that promote racism and any male has escaped the institutions that promote misogyny is something that the left indeed does need to pay attention to.
A lot of that finger-wagging might not be from the left. But enough of it is to allow the frustration of coalition-building. Gee, I wonder who that benefits?
Who most wanted Bernie to be delegitimized as an alternative candidate? There were more that one group of people. Interestingly all of them were dominated by white people of means.
>>As long as all ‘the left’ can do is finger-wag and insult people, then I don’t see any hope for healing.
this applies equally well if you turn it around.
Once racism exists, allegiations of racism will appear (deservedly so). Also, unfounded allegiations of racism will spring up as well. There is an evolutionary niche for that, so it will occur, as surely as the Amen in church. So one has to be very careful in distinguishing between the two.
I have to agree. I don’t get why “the left” has yet to figure out that the base of the Democratic party is women and people of colour. They are the ones who do the organizing, make the phone calls, get out the vote and work for the Democratic candidate even if their preferred candidate is not the nominee.
Women and people of colour will choose the Democratic nominee in 2020. I don’t think there is a chance for any candidate who isn’t endorsed by either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. And I’ll be shocked if Bernie Sanders or any other candidate from the left can win that endorsement.
Jesus Christ, is it silly season again already? Each of those three is 100 times the statesman/woman as Trump and is impressive in his/her own way.
The 2016 primary is not yet over because the Democrats lack a clear party leader who can conduct an opposition.
Clinton’s loss discredits her.
Obama retired from the scene for a while and takes great risks re-entering it in terms of the dynamics over against Trump.
Pelosi’s loss of the House since 2010 is a handicap for her.
Schumer is just building his leadership record.
No young upstart leaders have appeared on the scene to rally a Congressional victory in 2018.
And then there is Sanders who again officially is not a Democrat and as a result is rightly distrusted by the DC crowd that makes their living on Democratic campaigns every 2 years.
I’ve been pointing out for a while that a major structural flaw of our political system is that the party that doesn’t control the White House has no recognized national leader. It’s nearly impossible for any legislative leader to play that role.
The structural flaw, compared to the design, is having permanent parties (factions) at all.
The idea was that power should derive from the people without leadership.
But the people who framed this idea very clearly thought of themselves as leaders and connived behind the scenes (in the case of the Virginians) to keep the Presidency from the “Mother of Presidents”, the great and sovereign Commonwealth of Virginia.
The Sanders wing isn’t going to have a problem with any Democrat, regardless of past, who now and going forward disavows the corporate teat and gives full and sincere voice to progressive goals. The key is that it’s going to have to seem sincere. Bernie himself got away with past votes on offensive positions (i.e. gun control) because he was so vocal in support of a truly progressive agenda.
FWIW, I was not a Bernie supporter. I campaigned for Clinton. But I get the appeal of Sanders as well as what made Hillary such a crappy candidate. We can and must do better. I’m not worried about pulling the party together. I’m worried about getting corporate candidates to appreciate the moment.
Even Schumer’s talking the talk. It’s hard to believe it’s sincere because his record is super extensive plus he continues to polish the AIPAC knob. But he at least gets the concept. I’m not sure his party is entirely behind him. As a result, the new branding recently rolled out comes across like nothing more than another layer of insincere rhetoric. It’s time for the Democratic party to stand for progressive values. For someone like Schumer or Clinton to be convincing in that role, they would have to admit their mistakes. Same goes for Booker (especially, among the three listed).
I really don’t care who supports who during the primary. Advocate for whomever you want, just remember we’re all talking about Democrats. There is no need to offer personal attacks, maybe arguments based on policy.
Once the general election comes around I do expect everyone to back the nominee fully
Republicans operated out of that swing behind the candidate in the general election viewpoint in 2016.
It makes political sense for a party even if sometimes it makes lousy political sense for the country.
There are no hard and fast rules that always apply and with which one can beat people over the head.
I don’t see the Democratic Party nominating anyone like Donald Trump anytime soon. If they ever do, then everything needs to be reconsidered.
I found this interesting in the current political climate. I have great respect for this lady and what she has done in North Carolina. (Also in South Carolina.) Black Democrats have noticed it too.
I’m part of the actual Democratic Party base, and I have no problem with ANY of them.
I prefer Patrick way over Booker and even Harris over Booker.
That Deval Patrick – Harvard and Harvard Law School grad is now making money – will not be a condemnable point for Black people.
You go to those kinds of schools -YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO EARN THAT MONEY.
Booker has a sincerity problem….
Booker is out for me!
Hmm, rather than focusing on how to avoid sounding racist if arguing against an African American candidate from another faction, wouldn’t it be easier to get an African American candidate for the own faction?
And if so, does it mean that you need to be African American to win the Democrat primary? If so, that is an important step and an acknowledgement of the power held by the mostly African American party establishment in the South as the de facto king makers.
And to take it another step, if the Southernisation of the North continues at the same time as the Democrats is most likely to field African American candidates for president, what does that mean for respective parties chances of winning?
Cory Booker and Kamala Harris are not in the same league if we are talking about closeness to finance. Harris’ problems stem from her zealousness as a prosecutor against sex workers, and the carceral state in general. At least that’s what I understand from glossing over it, I haven’t looked closely because it’s not exactly on my radar. Bmaz does not like her at all, though, so that kind of gives me pause.
Something the left is also going to need to fight over is the carceral state altogether. You say you want to do criminal justice reform but then want to jail the bankers. It’s a mindset that’s hard to shake, myself included.
Anyway, Harris>Patrick>Booker. Booker is definitely showing something when it comes to marijuana. That is a great piece of legislation he introduced. Interested to see who co-sponsors it.
You don’t have to jail all the bankers, making an example out of one works.
“Putin grabbed Khodorkovsky off his private jet, took him back to Moscow, put him on trial and allowed television cameras to film Khodorkovsky sitting in a cage right in the middle of the courtroom. That image was extremely powerful because none of the other oligarchs wanted to be in the same position. After Khodorkovsky’s conviction the other oligarchs went to Putin and asked him what they needed to do to avoid sitting in the same cage as Khodorkovsky.”
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/07-26-17%20Browder%20Testimony.pdf
I confess I can’t even follow this stuff. Somebody says something on twitter and that means it’s the “Sanders Left,” or just “the left,” or even Bernie himself. The sensitivity, righteousness, and drama is off the charts. And this is about politicians who aren’t even over the horizon when it comes to running for president. It’s like one step above “Who would Batman beat?” style nerd throwdowns.
According to several people I know who have worked on utilities regulation in California, Kamala Harris,as California AG, let a bullet proof case against the head of the California PUC die so that he would not be punished for what many believed was clearly illegal activity. Jerry Brown is a long time friend of the head of the PUC and Harris wasn’t about to cross Brown when she decided to run for the Senate.