With all the revelations coming out about men who have mistreated women, I think it’s natural for me to take a little inventory of my own experiences. Fortunately, I can’t find much to regret in my own behavior, but it’s been sobering to think back on all the things I’ve witnessed and heard about. These things existed in my head, but as unconnected incidents. Now they seem like more of a pattern.
I recall three separate cases of rape involving both perpetrators and victims that I went to high school with. One involved two young men and a young woman in an Atlantic City hotel room. Another happened in a car, and the third in a woman’s apartment bedroom. I learned of all three because they were widely discussed, but more so people could be wary of the rapists than for any other reason. No one was ever charged with anything, and I wasn’t a witness to any of the crimes so there wasn’t much for me to do but spread the news and shun the men.
There was a drunken party in high school where a half dozen boys or more went upstairs to have sex with a girl who was reportedly willing but in reality too inebriated to make any decisions. She had to live with the shame of that night, but I don’t think it caused the boys any lasting social problems.
I’ve known of grayer areas, too, where there was some dispute about consent the morning after, but memories were fuzzy from drink and nothing ever came of it.
And I knew a man in his mid-twenties who bragged that he had taken two 16 year-old girls back to their home after a concert, they were identical twins, and acted like he wanted a life achievement award for bedding them. We thought he was disgusting, and he was incredulous that we were not impressed.
Many years ago on my community blog Booman Tribune we had a mini-version of what is going on nationally right now. There had been a large exodus of women from Daily Kos to my site after the notorious Pie Fight. After a while, someone posted a diary about how she had been sexually abused and it opened the floodgates. Users gained courage from seeing others open up, and pretty soon there were dozens of diaries written by women about their own experiences of rape and molestation. Between these diarists and the women making comments in the threads, it became overwhelming. That was my lesson in how pervasive the problem is and has been. Almost every female user had some story to tell, most of them involving real trauma and serious criminal behavior.
I’m sure you’ve experienced the discomfort of discovering that someone you’ve known for a while has experienced some major tragedy or trauma in their life. This was like that but for an entire gender. It was eye-opening and sobering and depressing, and it evoked all kinds of emotions, some of which were contradictory. I wanted to protect friends who is was too late to protect. I wanted to know more, but I also wanted it to stop. I wanted to believe that there would be an end to it, but the end seemed like it would never come. I could see how therapeutic the exercise was for the people who had been keeping these experiences locked up, and I could see how educational it was for the men who were shocked to see the scope of it. Yet, it was so painful to experience that I wanted some relief from it. And then I felt and guilty for having those thoughts, knowing that my pain was fleeting and theirs would last forever.
So, I recognize a lot of reactions I’m seeing to the current national conversation about the treatment of women. I can tell who isn’t getting it, who is just starting to get it, who is just wishing it would stop, and who knew all along. And I understand the women who are incredulous that the men are incredulous…who are angry that the men are mourning the loss of a favorite actor or television series or politician instead of staying focused on what these men did.
Here’s what I can say having been through a version of this before. I can guarantee you that none of the men who were present for the discussion at Booman Tribune twelve years ago have forgotten it. And I am certain that virtually all of them came away from it more aware and as better people. Some of them probably took a while to stop fighting what they were learning, but they internalized it because they knew it was true.
Things are a little turned around in our present case. At Booman Tribune, we knew and trusted the victims but we had no idea who the abusers were. It’s reversed now because we know Mark Halperin and Charlie Rose and Roy Moore but we don’t know their victims. It’s a different kind of feeling of loss, where instead of feeling pain for a friend you feel disappointment and disgust for someone you thought you knew and perhaps admired.
Hopefully, though, we can get to the same place in both instances. Men are getting an education. Some won’t ever get it or believe it, but many more will have their eyes opened and be better people for it. And women will benefit, too, by the empowerment that comes from solidarity and from the release that comes from divulging pent-up trauma, and from the men who now know and act more appropriately both with them and with their male colleagues.
So, this isn’t pleasant to learn about all the powerful and famous men who have been abusing women, but it has never been just powerful and famous men doing this. This cultural moment will eventually burn itself out and we’ll move on, but it won’t have been a futile or pointless effort. We’ll all gain from it.
As for me, when I look back at some of my experiences, there are at least some cases where I realize that I could have shown some leadership and maybe made a difference. I’ll make sure to teach those lessons to my son, and be better prepared myself if I confront similar situations in the future. I think if enough men do the same, it will make a real difference.
Great stuff Martin!!
Men need to look in the mirror, I have. Especially when confronted by an abusive son-in-law from a fundamental Dutch Reformed family background, mental illness and quite a narcist.
Made me search my personal life where I might have been a position of might over others and not recognized the feelings of others. Need to have empathy which usually comes with social activities in a community.
Have done lots of volunteer work in my community as a result.
Very thoughtful and respectful post, Martin. I know that a number of men who are resentful of the news coverage and others who feel like the media has plunged too far and deep with all of the stories. I disagree. We need to talk about it.
I consider myself lucky to have escaped physical abuse, but I did hear my share of insults, degrading comments and other personal attacks. I had a college drafting class I went to prior to my painting class, and the professor was a total ass. He asked me once why I always wore jeans, since I probably had pretty nice legs. He mocked me for being an art major, saying I would never get a job, and that girls like me were in college to get their MRS degree and taking up space in his class that would better be filled with men.
I never filed a complaint. It seemed like one of those things you just shake your head and roll your eyes about, but clearly it bothered me since I remember it forty years later. I didn’t ask to be made fun of or insulted. He just felt like he could say whatever he wanted.
So for me, I am saddened and heartbroken that so many women in all walks of life have hidden their feelings and experiences. That they have been afraid, ashamed, embarrassed by what happened to them and no one listened when they did speak up.
I’m tired of people blaming the victims. I want people to recognize and understand that power can be a destructive thing. I want mothers to teach their sons that rape is a crime and unacceptable. I hope that no matter how long it takes, women deserve and receive fair and decent treatment, regardless.
We’re all human beings. Let’s treat each other with kindness.
I’ve actually found it interesting that since Weinstein, there has been rather little victim-blaming in the public comments and media coverage I’ve seen, and a number of MSM venues have been provided for them to tell their stories w/o skeptical questioning. It helped considerably that the initial story by Ronan Farrow was so well reported, heavily documented and with so many victims coming forward.
Some exceptions: the woman who accused Franken (backlash on credibility and hypocrisy grounds from some here re her naughty stage performance w/another male, which could have been rehearsed and consensual, we don’t know; also suspicions she was a paid GOP operative). And private push back from my current paying guest, a younger guy of ME origins, a Trump voter, who is very curious why all these claims are coming out just now.
Overall, these are positive steps forward for m-f relations and long overdue in the work context. And I am hoping the Franken situation results in his being able to stay in the senate, if a bit damaged. But some out there might be overreacting, as with Gillibrand’s comments about Bill Clinton. That one needs further explanation as it seems to go into Joe Lieberman territory and beyond.
I agree. Stop. Blaming. The. Victims.
Stop letting perpetrators take the role of the victim.
Stop letting mothers cover for their sons who behave badly.
Men: Stop covering for your friends and colleagues. If you see something, say something. It’s not just locker room bragging; real lasting damage is being done.
Start believing women and girls when they say bad things are happening to them.
Start understanding the very real dangers present when a woman or girl speaks up. Martin said ‘no charges were filed’. Of course no charges were filed. Even now, college co-eds have no place to go for justice when they are raped. This administration is rolling back what few protections there were.
And because it bears repeating:
Stop blaming the victim.
Between Anita Hill and Emmett Till.
Mechanical rules are hazardous. “Believe the woman” was routine in the South of 60-80 years ago.
And Mike Cernovich has been going around making accusations of “left wing celebrities”. After three or four years of gamergame, the reverse gamergame from the same attackers is beginning. Not serious about the abuse except as it weakens their enemies and previous victims.
These revelations will pay dividends only if they are not highjacked by the political right with no accountability across the aisle.
They will pay dividends if they are not restricted to high-status employees but get accountability on all employers.
The will pay dividends if they break through the wall of silence of institutions like churches and universities and employers whose main concern is avoiding lawsuits.
They will pay dividends if they open our culture to honesty and not evasiveness about sexuality and bring a an end to legislative attempts to control women’s bodies.
These revelations will pay dividends only if they are not highjacked by the political right with no accountability across the aisle.
Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! Thank you for this.
Let’s see if Al Franken has to resign while Roy Moore gets elected, and if Donald Trump can continue without consequence to call his own accusers horrible liars.
Add one more to the list
Wonder how many will be left standing?
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Texas Congressman Joe Barton Apologizes for Sending Nude Pic to Woman, Not His Wife
Texas Congressman Joe Barton sent nudes and illicit text messages to a woman, and he’s apologizing for the graphic image.
I agree this is a necessary and long overdue moment in American society.
America’s deep seated gender and race issues cross cut political lines. I would argue that their continued existence is the reason why America can only politically trend just so far left for short periods before snapping back to the right.
I have worked with men who, while espousing liberal views, see women at worst no differently than Halperin et al. or, at best, bristle at female supervisors and have very specific views on the rightful “place” woman have in our society in society.
And what I have witnessed cross cuts the age range, so this isn’t a issue that will simply age out. We have needed this to happen for a long time. It is a moment where we have a chance to make a better society.
… the story involving the two 16 year olds and the person in his mid 20s. That would be legal under current PA law, which is where you live, I believe.
Although I personally believe that the age of consent should be 18, I am not sure I am ready to condemn someone who is following the laws of the state he is in. At the end of the day, we can only insist that people follow the rules as they are.
It didn’t happen in Pennsylvania, but I also didn’t say it was illegal. We weren’t checking the legal statutes. We just thought it was wrong.
What if it had been two 18 year olds? I am really curious
Are you?
Are you really curious?
Curious whether you’d see it differently, I mean.
Gee. I don’t know. In one case, a stranger is in my house having sex with my twin teenage daughters who are sophomores or juniors in high school.
In the other scenario, my daughters are eighteen years old and can make decisions for themselves whether I approve of them or not.
Why would I view these things differently?
… the story involving the two 16 year olds and the person in his mid 20s. That would be legal under current PA law, which is where you live, I believe.
Although I personally believe that the age of consent should be 18, I am not sure I am ready to condemn someone who is following the laws of the state he is in. At the end of the day, we can only insist that people follow the rules as they are.
When does Joe Barton join Anthony Wiener in jail?
An apology didn’t get Wiener off.
IIRC, Weiner got the book thrown at him because he was still on probation for something else.
I’m not gonna look it up, but were not some of Weiner’s texts sent to teenagers?
There’s so much to this. As a middle-aged heterosexual man, I look back on my life and hope I’ve done nothing that any woman might think had gone over a line. I recall, as a young man, pleading with a woman to sleep with me until she said she would. I then made a point of telling her it would be fine if she didn’t want to, and she said “No, I’ve made up my mind.” I think it was in her mind an act of mercy and I hope she doesn’t look back with regret. I can think of woman I slept with (or even just fooled around with) with complete knowledge that I had no intention of getting into relationship, while they were clearly wanting more. One asked me point blank why I had mislead her. She and I had only kissed and yet she felt harmed.
So, yes, clearly there’s a personal accounting to take up and perhaps some apologies to make. Years ago, I apologized to one woman who actually broke up with me, but I’d made it impossible for her by going so slowly (in every way but jumping into bed) that she finally threw up her hands and said, “Enough!” I realized after the fact I’d harmed her by jumping into bed without commitment. She had not asked for an apology but seemed grateful nonetheless and we are facebook friends many years later, each of us happily married.
It’s worth noting too that it isn’t just woman who are abused. I was molested by a boy down the street when I was 15. With an emotionally absent father, I was searching for a big brother and he took advantage. Really messed with my head and I totally get why these things go unreported. He threatened me if I told anyone but it being my deepest, darkest secret at the time, he need not have wasted his breath. Wild horses could not have dragged it out of me. Real healing came many years later when I was able to talk about it and, most of all, when I was able to tell my father and it was clearly no big deal to him. I always imagined that he didn’t spend time with me because I had disappointed him in some way. Somehow, in that conversation, it became clear to me that my dad had no such idea; he was just living his life in his way and didn’t think it was important to prioritize time with me.
Now the molestation is such a non-issue I can share about it on social media. It’s incredibly freeing to be so completely over something that was so traumatic at the time and for many years after. But there’s a sense of triumph in overcoming.
That said, I wonder if it might be harder for at least some women to move on, our social expectations for women around sexuality being so narrow. The violation that happened to me doesn’t feel like a stain on my soul. It did once feel deeply humiliating, even emasculating, but learning to talk about it openly, and my father’s help in letting it go, allowed me to do so quite fully. If there’s any remaining shadow, I’m not conscious of it.
This whole thing is about the ongoing desexualization of humanity.
Why is this happening?
I was once caught in a massive traffic jam between Washington DC and NYC…way before cell phones, when only truckers had CB radios and the rest of us had nothing. After half an hour or so of stoppage I walked up to a trucker and asked him if he had any info. He simply said “Too many cars, not enough road.”
“Too many human beings, not enough earth” might be a simple answer to this complicated question about human sexuality in general.
Sex is the most powerful force among all living beings, from plant to animal and beyond in every possible direction. Wild animals go totally nuts when in rut (As far as we humans are concerned, anyway.); plants live incredibly complex sexual lives and human beings are by no means an exception to this set of forces. I do not mean here to “excuse” individuals who use power to dominate other sexual beings…male, female and/or whatever other sexual subdivisions may or may not exist between those two extremes…as I do to encourage some kind of understanding about what is happening here.
For eons, male aggression has been…both among humans and among most other higher animal species…a dominant force in the propagation of those species. Suddenly things have changed. Now? “Too many humans, not enough earth” is the problem. Solutions? (Among many others, including the acceptance of sexual acts that are not reproductive in their basic aims?) A backing-off of the male dominance-by-any-means-including-force angle.
Great.
I’m all for it.
As a totally heterosexual male, I am happy to say that I have never, ever been comfortable with forcible…on any level…use of position or force to achieve sexual congress. i have never even been comfortable with the whole “casual” sex thing. I fall in love too easily, if anything. All else is second-rate as far as I have been concerned since early puberty.
That said…
I have watched…from the AIDS scare epidemic that pretty much ended the free love movement of the the ’60s/early ’70s right on through to the now amazingly regressive “He/she took advantage of me 20/30/40 years ago” clickbait/headline hustle that we are all witnessing…as the rapidly lessening necessity for more and more human reproduction has reduced the heretofore fairly common (Again, as it is fairly common in the animal world.) male dominance-by-any-means-necessary thing. I have watched the reaction of generation after generation of young people as their eons-old sexual proclivities have been progressively (Or is it regressively!!!???) styimied by societal necessities.
I saw it best in my now 30+ year old son’s relations with females throughout his grammar school, high school and early college life. When I was a kid…say early ’50s-through mid-late ’60s…friendships (and progressively more overt sexual relations) among males and females were an integral part of the culture. Not so with my son or his friends. Intersexual friendships…no matter how sexually charged they might or might not have been…ended pretty much at first grade and didn’t really recommence until late high school/early college, and even then they were fraught with major discordances .
Just sayin’…too many people, not enough earth. Same same with the increasing acceptance of homosexual relationships. No matter to me one way or another, but is this the life of Life’s reaction to the too many people syndrome? God’s birth control? The culling of the rampant human herd?
Sounds like it to me…
Comments?
Please…
AG
Desexualization of humanity? I say, bingo!
In the middle of his book “The Selfish Gene”, Dawkins has a chapter called “Family Planning”. There he criticizes the theory of Wynne-Edwards (1960s) that territorial and hierarchical organizations in animal species play a key role in population size regulation. He rationalizes the discipline of males to “accept the rules” by game theory. But no less impressive is the discipline of females to mate only with victors. That role is implicitly clear, but not plainly explicated. This year I wrote a debuting philosophical paper where (for a succinct example) I argue in the later sections that game-theoretic or individual rationales for mating would be proximate causes of the mating behavior, but the effect of territoriality or hierarchies on population growth are important ultimate consequences.
The current human population overshot is not the first such crisis for our species — imagine that. We must have been oscillating between hard times, great evolutionary successes, and risks of overpopulation (given resources employed at specific times and places) for millennia. And how else we overcame the overpopulation risks than by developing rentier territoriality and (apparently patriarchal) hierarchies? The post WWII peace and prosperity were so exceptional that we forgot what survival struggle on this planet actually is. Now we are back to reality, where biological instincts, social prejudices and elite schemes are so intertwined that scientific methods will not significantly untangle anything in requisite time.
At Daily Kos I noticed a diary with the hashtag #TooManyMen… Well, yeah, surplus males… Ladies must be really frustrated by approaches of less than desirable men. Would you wish to imagine what is like to be a regular local guy in Thailand or Philippines?